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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by McNuss View Post
    Luffy having a scar from Akainu has nothing to do with his Rubber DF.

    Enel heated and reshaped his spear by using his Logia powers. It was the producct of his DF.

    And you think Caribou could have beaten all the Straw Hats (pre-timeskip) at the same time?
    i got nothing to say to you...you are clearly not reading my points and just arguing for sake of arguing ... you jump into discussion with half knowledge... its very painful to correct someone like ya...its a waste of time...
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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Luffy also usually passes out for several days after fighting his opponents, and often loses to them before finally figuring out how to win. (Crocodile, Lucci, Moria). Zoro's only had one serious fight where he got heavily damaged(against Das Bones) before his victory, while Luffy usually ends up taking a lot of damage in the process. Usually Zoro and Sanji, although they fight weaker opponents, struggle less than Luffy does against his opponent. Zoro definitely isn't that far behind Luffy. Most recently, in FI, Hyouzou was supposed to be nearly as strong as Hody(they both underwent the same transformation), but Zoro still defeated him without taking a single hit(We know this because Hyouzou's swords were coated with poison.)

    Anyway, Luffy, Zoro, and Law are probably the strongest ones based on what we've seen so far. Bonnie is probably the weakest.

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

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    Seriously, how can you compare Hodi and Hyozou? Do you remember that the pills they were both consuming can enhance your physical power by 2 each. So compare how much Hodi did consume and Hyozou... It would be like 5 or more times in Hodi's favour. He ate like dozens of them... So they were actually in absolutely different leagues. Also you should remember that Zoro fought Hodi on land, while Luffy was fighting Hodi half of the time in water, where he can't perform as good as he can on land, while Hodi only gets even stronger and faster in water.

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    I think in all honesty.. Zoro is one of the strongest, if not, the strongest, luffy included. You can see the discipline, power, hardwork and dedication in what he does. If he's given the chance to switch places with luffy and fight the strongest opponent every arc, He could've probably done a better job. ^__^
    Oda just mistakenly chose luffy to be the main character and he can't go back on that now, but he subtly tries to correct that on how he shows zorro's fights.. ^__^

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge D. Dragon View Post
    Zoro fought Hodi on land
    zoro owned hodi in water...although we cannot compare hodi and hyozou... still it was easy win for both luffy and zoro...even zoro or sanji could have taken out drugged hodi down in water... they were good enough as warmup opponents for SH crew...

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by jimtors View Post
    Oda just mistakenly chose luffy to be the main character and he can't go back on that now, but he subtly tries to correct that on how he shows zorro's fights.. ^__^
    The captain isn't all about strength! What makes Luffy special is the way in which he united such different ppl around him and is making allies everywhere he goes. Plus the will of D and whatever role that plays. Luffy's ambition isn't to become the strongest physically, but to become PK.
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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Why are you comparing Luffy and Zoro to each other? They're far too different to be compared. Zoro can't take on Lucci like Luffy did, Lucci himself said why. Luffy's rubber body is the reason why Luffy survived Lucci's finger poke to the neck, otherwise he'd have had a hole. If that was Zoro, he'd have been dead already, even if he was even with Lucci. Could Zoro have survived against Crocodile the way Luffy did, as well, considering Luffy got dehydrated twice, nearly killed twice, and poisoned at the end. Could Luffy beat Mr. 1 (?) like Zoro did?

    Both are far too different to be compared, even if they were even before Vivi joined them to Alabasta.

    I'm not sure if it's fair to compare power levels because each rookie is different, with different set of abilities. Luffy could be stronger than Law and still lose to him because of Law's ability, or Zoro could one-shot Kidd if given a chance (forgot who the third pirate was that was with Luffy and Law after Luffy punched the Tenryuubito), but because of his ability, Zoro would lose his swords and may not have as much power as he does barehanded.

    It's better to balance power level with other abilities the rookies have, whether DF-related or not. Luffy is among the top because of his confidence, power, Devil Fruit, and endurance/durability.

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by MilleNX View Post
    I think Luffy is stronger simply because his speed can outmatch the reach of Law's DF ability.
    Assuming Luffy can get away from Law's room, how do you think can he hit Law without re-entering the room again? Once you're inside that room, speed is useless. Remember how Law switched the bullets with snow? Gear second is just about the speed of a bullet fired. So if he can catch and teleport something as small as a bullet, then he wouldn't have any problem doing the same thing to a fist or a foot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uriel View Post
    Luffy. Well, He could be cut but I doubt that would be worth anything since He can stretch to reach his enemy. And if Law decides to squeeze his heart...Well, He's a rubber man. :/
    What if Law cuts him to a hundred pieces or more? And you're forgetting Law's sword. So if it's a battle to the death, he'll just cut or stab Luffy's heart.

    Law Vs. Kidd, a victory for Law again. He can manipulate anything inside his room. Everything that Kidd sends to Law will be sent back to him. Or he can teleport himself to avoid the attack and steal Kidd's heart.

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by llydnarz View Post
    Assuming Luffy can get away from Law's room, how do you think can he hit Law without re-entering the room again? Once you're inside that room, speed is useless. Remember how Law switched the bullets with snow? Gear second is just about the speed of a bullet fired. So if he can catch and teleport something as small as a bullet, then he wouldn't have any problem doing the same thing to a fist or a foot.



    What if Law cuts him to a hundred pieces or more? And you're forgetting Law's sword. So if it's a battle to the death, he'll just cut or stab Luffy's heart.

    Law Vs. Kidd, a victory for Law again. He can manipulate anything inside his room. Everything that Kidd sends to Law will be sent back to him. Or he can teleport himself to avoid the attack and steal Kidd's heart.
    Soru is the answer. Look at the fight against Smoker. The latter chose to stay in a close range fight and it was the best thing he could do really, especially considering that he has a weapon, Law was clearly getting pushed back until he took out that impressive surprise shot out. Luffy just has to his speed and get close, using attacks like Red Hawk for example.
    From your post i can gather that you really have the wrong logic concerning the fights in OP. It is not just ability vs ability but user vs user and Law showed us many times that he can be captured or hit by fast attacks, his teleportation is not that fast (or rather his reaction time). You also seem to ignore Kidd´s abilities, namely him using Law´s sword against the latter for example.

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Luffy is using long/mid range hand to hand attacks and he dont need to be that close, for the same reason teleport wont work that good, what will he.?. keep teleporting him all day long, only thing law have upper hand is his cutting power but he still need to connect that attack and keep in mind that luffy have far superior speed and reflexes even without gear 2nd...
    Sorry for my Engrish...

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Soru is the answer. Look at the fight against Smoker. The latter chose to stay in a close range fight and it was the best thing he could do really, especially considering that he has a weapon, Law was clearly getting pushed back until he took out that impressive surprise shot out. Luffy just has to his speed and get close, using attacks like Red Hawk for example.
    From your post i can gather that you really have the wrong logic concerning the fights in OP. It is not just ability vs ability but user vs user and Law showed us many times that he can be captured or hit by fast attacks, his teleportation is not that fast (or rather his reaction time). You also seem to ignore Kidd´s abilities, namely him using Law´s sword against the latter for example.
    The only reason Smoker got close to Law is because he is logia. So cutting him to pieces won't work. Luffy is not logia. So before he could get close to Law, he'd be cut to pieces.
    Speed won't work inside Law's room because he can even stop bullets and cannon balls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoronoa Roro View Post
    Luffy is using long/mid range hand to hand attacks and he dont need to be that close, for the same reason teleport wont work that good, what will he.?. keep teleporting him all day long, only thing law have upper hand is his cutting power but he still need to connect that attack and keep in mind that luffy have far superior speed and reflexes even without gear 2nd...
    You're forgetting about "shambles". It does not require Law to touch or even get close to his opponent. He can easily dismantle Luffy once he enters his room.
    Last edited by llydnarz; December 10, 2012 at 08:47 AM.

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by llydnarz View Post
    What if Law cuts him to a hundred pieces or more? And you're forgetting Law's sword. So if it's a battle to the death, he'll just cut or stab Luffy's heart.
    Every time He uses his ability, He only uses it. So If He stab Luffy hearts He will just divide it again. Thing is that all the pieces has the same conscious so it's dangerous for Law to divide a guy that can increase his size... a lot. It's like a living bomb.
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    a surging sea of flames
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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by Uriel View Post
    Every time He uses his ability, He only uses it. So If He stab Luffy hearts He will just divide it again. Thing is that all the pieces has the same conscious so it's dangerous for Law to divide a guy that can increase his size... a lot. It's like a living bomb.
    When and where was it mentioned that Law can't use his sword as a normal sword?

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by llydnarz View Post
    When and where was it mentioned that Law can't use his sword as a normal sword?
    He could. But why shouldn't Luffy be able to dodge a normal sword attack?

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    Re: Who's The strongest among the Super Nova Rookies

    Quote Originally Posted by McNuss View Post
    He could. But why shouldn't Luffy be able to dodge a normal sword attack?
    You're missing the point. We are talking about Luffy's heart if ever Law gets it.

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