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  • aizen

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

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    1. Do we even know, that Kyoka Suigetsu wasn't Aizen's Bankai? He used its' name plenty of times, but he wouldn't have to if he had bankai and it was shikai, right? Do we know if Aizen actually HAD bankai? Nothing indicates he had. Despite being hopeless against Ichigo he still didn't use it. Or he didn't have anything more than those illusions. Yama's bankai wasn't so impressive. Not much of an ability type. Just raw power. Shinji's Shikai could make everything reverse. His bankai? Who knows. Urahara's Shikai has nice abilities and, as we've seen, he can create similar attacks with his Zanpakuto. Maybe it's his sword's ability, not his. He sees Getsuga once, he can shoot something similar against Ulqiorra's Cero. Maybe he can copy pretty much everything.
    It was stated that it was Aizen's Shikai. Why he didn't use his Bankai against Ichigo? Noone knows. It might be plot-induced stupidity or anything else. The same question applies as to why Yoruichi didn't use her Shikai or Bankai against Aizen? Or maybe you think that she doesn't have one? You say Urahara's Shikai is strong? It couldn't even scratch base Ulquiorra...
    Also about Aizen. He reached his limits as a Shinigami, so he obviously achieved Bankai.

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    2. Urahara was on par with her, when she was at her BEST 100 years ago. As a noble, her abilities were considered SUPERIOR to everyone else's. You have no proof, that Yama or Tessai is in higher tier when it comes to hand to hand combat. She could crack Aizen's armor with her fists. She could mop the floor with unreleased Yammy without breakin' a sweat. Of course, she got hurt, because she didn't even use Shunko. Just bare hands. Ichigo would run like hell, if he didn't have his zanpakuto. So Yamaji could have TRASHED Hogyoku Aizen with his fists?
    You are overestimating Yoruichi and Urahara. Beeing a Noble doesn't change anything. Byakuya is a noble as well, but he isn't better than an average Captain. Yoruichi never showed anything impressive. She didn't show that much of a speed. Her speed is more or less on par with Soi Fong, her bare-handed abilities seem as well. Shunko isn't pure hand-to-hand combat, but a mixture of it with Kidou. In pure hand-to-hand she couldn't even take down base Yami who was only 10th Espada and she also had special devices from Urahara and still managed to crack one of her bones, while the same Yama trashed Wondi who managed to one-shot Ukitake and take down Bankai Kensei with his twin Bone and that shows that he is way superior in hand-to-hand combat. Tessai in the begining of the manga easily showed that he only needs his bare hands to desintegrate tons of Hollows. Of course they were quite weak, but Yoruichi never showed anything like this with just her bare fists.
    Also about Yoruichi's speed. She was more or less on par with Soi Fong who was trashed like a pussy by Aizen and by Kirinji in terms of speed...
    Also, Urahara never showed anything on screen to proove that he is on par with Yoruichi in terms of speed or hand-to-hand combat.

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    3. Intelligence doesn't play that much of a role? No, it does. Aizen's existence is one huge scheme. Everything what happened in Bleach so far is somehow connected to Aizen and Urahara.
    It doesn't play a role in a fight. Unless a fighter is a complete moron and can't act as a normal human being in terms of intelligence.
    Also, Aizen's plan wasn't just due to his intelligence. It was achieved mostly due to Kyoka Suigetsu.

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    4. Those baseless assumptions are pissing me off.. Isshin using his OWN kidos? Any proof? Yamaji and Tessai OBVIOUSLY BETTER in Kidou? ANY proof? Why didn't Yama use same techniques as Urahara did? Anything similar? Or was he too stupid to do so?

    Tessai didn't even lift a finger in this fight. Why?

    Don't go throwing random thoughts without anything to prove... Those are just baseless assumptions. Urahara is himself one HUGE mystery. We don't know his power level. We don't know his zan's ability. We don't know anything.
    Well... You are welcome. Isshin made a special Kidou charm to protect Kon, while he was in Ichigo's body.
    Tessai showed way more on screen than Urahara. If you can't accept the truth, then you are either blind or don't want to accept the truth. He not only showed Kidous up to 99th level, but also showed some freacking forbidden Kidou that can freeze time...
    Yama also showed higher Kidou than Urahara on screen. So you still claim I make baseless sumptions.?
    And about Urahara... The one who is throwing baseless asumptions is you. On screen the guy showed that he is average at best. He didn't exceed neither in Zanjutsu, nor in Kidou, nor in hand-to-hand combat and in terms of Reiatsu as well. His Shikai isn't anything special until it is shown on screen. So unless it is shown he is the same everyone knows without any fanboism.

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    5. Hogyoku Aizen? Show me where you read that. I read only about Kyoraku being able to kill pre-hogyoku Aizen with his bankai. To kill Aizen you need something outrageously powerful to wound him enough for Hogyoku not to heal him. And Shunsui ISN'T power type. His power comes from intelligence and Zan's abilities.

    And if Aizen hadn't been fused with Hogyoku, he would have been outsmarted by Urahara. And he wouldn't have been able to break free from 3 or 4 Bakudos. Aaaand, he wouldn't have been so strong and fast, so he would have been easier to catch.
    Well, in that interview it wasn't stated about what Aizen Kubo was talking about. And it seems we are talking about the same interview, so I might overassumed it. My bad.

    Still, about your thought on Urahara being able to take down normal Aizen... It just won't happen. Even the same Urahara stated that he wouldn't have caught normal and cautious Aizen that we knew during SS Arc like he did. It was obviously due to Aizen wanting to learn the limits of Hougioku. Aizen easily trashed several Captains combined and who was also considerably faster than Urahara, so to evade several Kidos...

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    Oh, Urahara couldn't do ANYTHING? You're funny. He launched ONE attack, didn't even start to get serious, didn't use Kido, that is shown as his trump card, and you're saying he couldn't do ANYTHING? xD
    His only attack didn't do anything to base Ulqiorra. He repelled it without an effort. The same Shunsui's Shikai managed to crack Aizen's defensive Kidou barrier that protected him from Ichigo's Bankai Getsuga... Also the same Kiorakua's Shikai killed Starrk. Of course not in one shot, but still. Urahara's Shikai isn't even close in terms of destructive power. I hope you won't try to argue about it.
    About Kidou... He didn't use it, thus you can only assume what it might have done, while on screen he couldn't do anything useful.
    It's the same as Yama who didn't use neither Kidou nor hand-to-hand-combat or Zanjutsu against Juha Bach and only tried to use his Bankai.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge D. Dragon View Post
    DuniakIt was stated that it was Aizen's Shikai. Why he didn't use his Bankai against Ichigo? Noone knows. It might be plot-induced stupidity or anything else. The same question applies as to why Yoruichi didn't use her Shikai or Bankai against Aizen? Or maybe you think that she doesn't have one? You say Urahara's Shikai is strong? It couldn't even scratch base Ulquiorra...
    Also about Aizen. He reached his limits as a Shinigami, so he obviously achieved Bankai.
    Everytime he released KS he was saying it's name. Ritual is seeing release. Aizen could fool everyone about that being only Shikai. If his KS was so hax, what could his bankai be? In Yoruichi case it was obvious, she doesn't carry Zanpakuto and it wasn't her job to kill Aizen. Plot was clear, it was Ichigo's job.

    Still, Aizen was on verge of dying, he was main villain fighting main protagonist. If he COULDN'T use it, then it'd make more sense to me. Urahara couldn't scratch base Ulquiorra in Shikai, without even trying.


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    You are overestimating Yoruichi and Urahara. Beeing a Noble doesn't change anything. Byakuya is a noble as well, but he isn't better than an average Captain. Yoruichi never showed anything impressive. She didn't show that much of a speed. Her speed is more or less on par with Soi Fong, her bare-handed abilities seem as well. Shunko isn't pure hand-to-hand combat, but a mixture of it with Kidou. In pure hand-to-hand she couldn't even take down base Yami who was only 10th Espada and she also had special devices from Urahara and still managed to crack one of her bones

    Wait wait wait. What? Shunko Yoruichi is MUCH stronger than SoiFon and IS faster. Shunko is an ability learnt by special corps. Yamaji doesn't know it. It's still bare-handed fight. It's not Yoruichi fault, that Yamamoto didn't know it. She can, he can't. Don't discard her strongest card to prove your point.

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    Also about Yoruichi's speed. She was more or less on par with Soi Fong who was trashed like a pussy by Aizen and by Kirinji in terms of speed...
    And do you remember who invented super-speed escape techniques, that could easily outrun fastest Espada? Wasn't that Yoruichi? She didn't fight seriously against Soi-Fon. She made it look like a spar, not life or death fight. Oh, and she outrun Byakuya (faster than fastest Espada), with Ichigo on her back.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...94-page-7.html
    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...3-page-21.html

    Special devices against Yammy? WHERE? And do I have to remind you, that Yammy is actually number 0, not 10? I don't know what you were smoking. Special armor made to penetrate hierro is what she had during fight with Aizen.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...6-page-19.html

    And WITHOUT SHUNKO, she cracked his armor, that could, without problem, stand Isshin's and Urahara's slash.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...8-page-12.html

    More ken'atsu with a single punch than Ichigo with his slash and then...

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...8-page-13.html

    Strength of that punch with Shunko was enough to penetrate Aizen's defense and completely overpower his blocking hand. And she could easily block Aizen's attack in transendental state. She even stated, that she could dodge it if she hadn't relied on armor.

    Also, Urahara never showed anything on screen to proove that he is on par with Yoruichi in terms of speed or hand-to-hand combat.


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    It doesn't play a role in a fight. Unless a fighter is a complete moron and can't act as a normal human being in terms of intelligence.
    Also, Aizen's plan wasn't just due to his intelligence. It was achieved mostly due to Kyoka Suigetsu.
    Ok, intelligence doesn't play a role in a fight, live in your delusional world.

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    Well... You are welcome. Isshin made a special Kidou charm to protect Kon, while he was in Ichigo's body.
    Any proof, that he himself made it? Any proof, it isn't already known Kido?

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    Tessai showed way more on screen than Urahara. If you can't accept the truth, then you are either blind or don't want to accept the truth. He not only showed Kidous up to 99th level, but also showed some freacking forbidden Kidou that can freeze time...
    In terms of power, Urahara showed MUCH more. Tessai's Kidos were EASILY blocked by Aizen. But Urahara's Kidos could easily kill him, as he himself stated. I don't care if he could avoid it while being Shinigami. He got binded by Benihime during that fight. If he was Shinigami, he would be even easier to bind. And then, why wouldn't Urahara use his Kidos? If you still think Shinigami Aizen wouldn't get caught, you're either blind or stupid. Even if he did, destructive power of those Kidos was MUCH bigger than anything that Tessai showed.

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    Yama also showed higher Kidou than Urahara on screen. So you still claim I make baseless sumptions.?
    As far as I remember, Ittou Katso didn't even make significant damage to Yamaji. His Kidos were completely useless against Shinigami Aizen, who then himself stated, that Urahara's Kido would kill him if he wasn't fused with Hogyoku. Without instant regeneration damage would be too much for him to handle.

    And you know... those numbers of Kidos doesn't mean jack. What really counts is Shinigami's reiatsu.

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    And about Urahara... The one who is throwing baseless asumptions is you. On screen the guy showed that he is average at best. He didn't exceed neither in Zanjutsu, nor in Kidou, nor in hand-to-hand combat and in terms of Reiatsu as well. His Shikai isn't anything special until it is shown on screen. So unless it is shown he is the same everyone knows without any fanboism.
    Zanjutsu... nothing to show, really, he seems to ability type.
    Kidou. hahahhahhahahhahahah. You're pitiful. He didn't exceed anyone in Kido. Nope.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...16-page-2.html

    That Kido isn't strong at all. Look at their facial expressions... especially Gin's and Ichigo's.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...16-page-8.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...5-page-11.html

    And lookie there, Kidos without incantaion. Sixties and seventies.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...5-page-13.html

    Then, level 90.

    And don't write about doing an incantation. It's already said, that saying those few words are making evey Hadou MUCH more powerful. Butterflaizen used incantation on Kirohitsugi, while he didn't use it on Sokyoku against Komamura. Not saying incantation doesn't make you strong.

    Don't ignore facts to prove your point. You are still making up more and more baseless assumptions. Show me some panels next time.

    Hakuda? Reread SS arc, part about hot springs. Urahara was training with Yoruichi Hakuda. They were pretty much on par in Hakuda. But hey, Yoruichi's Hakuda isn't anything strong for you, so why bother writing about that.

    About reiatsu. He could easily hide his reiatsu, noone knew he was coming during Aizen arc. You have NO PROOF, that his reiatsu isn't monstrous. And I won't prove it is. But still, he was a captain and his Kidos (energy of those COMES FROM REIATSU) are something that we haven't seen in that manga yet. His reiatsu IS big.

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    Still, about your thought on Urahara being able to take down normal Aizen... It just won't happen. Even the same Urahara stated that he wouldn't have caught normal and cautious Aizen that we knew during SS Arc like he did. It was obviously due to Aizen wanting to learn the limits of Hougioku. Aizen easily trashed several Captains combined and who was also considerably faster than Urahara, so to evade several Kidos...
    He wasn't faster than Shinigami Aizen, but could bind Hogyoku Aizen with Benihime. Makes sense to me! And it doesn't even matter if he caught him or not. I'm sure he would be able to somehow catch him, but it's destructive power alone is impressive.

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    His only attack didn't do anything to base Ulqiorra. He repelled it without an effort. The same Shunsui's Shikai managed to crack Aizen's defensive Kidou barrier that protected him from Ichigo's Bankai Getsuga... Also the same Kiorakua's Shikai killed Starrk. Of course not in one shot, but still. Urahara's Shikai isn't even close in terms of destructive power. I hope you won't try to argue about it.
    Countering a point-black Cero? No problemo.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...4-page-11.html

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...4-page-15.html

    Ulquiorra himself said, that he would LOSE against Urahara and Yoruichi. But hey, he repelled his attack so effortlessly, didn't he? And he still knew, that they'd lose.

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...4-page-16.html

    "we'll lose unless... we escape"

    And don't even start writing, then he said odds are terrible. Protecting 3 friends while fighting against someone as strong as Ulquiorra isn't really possible. They'd have to use their strength, and then not hurting those 3 that are just next to them is impossible. They'd end up getting killed by collateral damage.

    And Kyoraku cracked his shield? Wow, that's really impressive feat! :O

    http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...4-page-18.html

    Urahara penetrated Aizen's hierro, skin, and made a hole in him. Oh, and the next page shows how he could hide his reiatsu.




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    About Kidou... He didn't use it, thus you can only assume what it might have done, while on screen he couldn't do anything useful.
    It's the same as Yama who didn't use neither Kidou nor hand-to-hand-combat or Zanjutsu against Juha Bach and only tried to use his Bankai.
    Yama knew it'd be useless. Yamaji never used much Kido. And do you really think, that Yamaji could fight barehanded against Juha? Don't make me laugh. Bankai is his trump card, without that he isn't so strong. He had to use it against imposter, let alone real Juha.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    Urahara penetrated Aizen's hierro, skin, and made a hole in him. Oh, and the next page shows how he could hide his reiatsu.
    Aizen's.. Hierro?
    Was Aizen stated to have Hierro?

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Aizen's.. Hierro?
    Was Aizen stated to have Hierro?
    And what was that armor he had? He became fully Hollowfied afterwards, he achieved limit as Shinigami, the only way to go beyond Shinigami is to become Hollow-like. And Hierro is something common for Arrancars, Urahara made armor for Yoruichi so it could stand against HIERRO, not anything else.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    And what was that armor he had? He became fully Hollowfied afterwards, he achieved limit as Shinigami, the only way to go beyond Shinigami is to become Hollow-like. And Hierro is something common for Arrancars, Urahara made armor for Yoruichi so it could stand against HIERRO, not anything else.
    I thought that was made by taking the Hierro as a performance measure. Aside from the chrysalis period, never even realized he had an armor on, I just thought he was immensely strong so that he could cancel off attacks.
    Wow, this is news for me
    Never imagined Aizen going that far to mess up with his body, but then again, it might be Hogyoku's doing.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    I thought that was made by taking the Hierro as a performance measure. Aside from the chrysalis period, never even realized he had an armor on, I just thought he was immensely strong so that he could cancel off attacks.
    Wow, this is news for me
    When he was a Shinigami, he didn't. Urahara came after beginning of fusion. I called it "Hierro", because I thought of it as nothing but an armor filled with reiatsu. It might as well be something else.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    I find if Kubo does something right, it's that we really can't predict who exactly the final Antagonist is going to be.

    I can see Aizen,I can see Bach,I can see the Soul King and I can see Urahara turning.

    I'm going to go with Kubo being aware that we expect them all as potential Final Antagonists and it's going to be someone else, I'll say Mayuri, especially since I really have my suspicions about him having info on each Bankai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    I find if Kubo does something right, it's that we really can't predict who exactly the final Antagonist is going to be.

    I can see Aizen,I can see Bach,I can see the Soul King and I can see Urahara turning.

    I'm going to go with Kubo being aware that we expect them all as potential Final Antagonists and it's going to be someone else, I'll say Mayuri, especially since I really have my suspicions about him having info on each Bankai.
    SR having full information about Bankai is a bit interesting, too. So, there may be an insider who leaks out information. Mayuri or Urahara could be the culprits. I don't expect it to be Mayuri, to be honest, since he has already messed up with the Quincy more than enough in the past.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    When he was a Shinigami, he didn't. Urahara came after beginning of fusion. I called it "Hierro", because I thought of it as nothing but an armor filled with reiatsu. It might as well be something else.
    I'm not so sure Aizen's 'cocoon' had any real protective qualities like hierro. Well, I imagine it was fairly tough, but not like hierro. Shinigami can defend themselves with bare hands, provided they're stronger than the person attacking them - Aizen does this numerous times before the Hogyoku fusion. But unlike Arrancar, in whom hierro is constantly active, a Shinigami can be cut by a weaker sword if caught unawares. It seems to me that Aizen's cocoon was more like this than hierro. Urahara, Yoruichi and Isshin all did some damage when Aizen wasn't actually trying. When he did bother to defend himself though, he easily barehanded blows from Yoruichi's gauntlets.

    The physical damage Urahara did to Aizen's shell wasn't really any sort of testament to his strength. The more impressive feats were his Kido skills and slipping his reiatsu blocking band onto Aizen's wrists. That's where his true strength lies. He's Captain-class of course, but his intelligence and knack for tricks are what make him dangerous.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    SR having full information about Bankai is a bit interesting, too. So, there may be an insider who leaks out information. Mayuri or Urahara could be the culprits. I don't expect it to be Mayuri, to be honest, since he has already messed up with the Quincy more than enough in the past.
    That Insider is Ukitake, never noticed the resemblance between the Substitute Badge and the Vandenreich Device?
    And back in the Soul Society Arc, Uryuu recognized it from somewhere but that is only evident now that he kept something secret about it.
    I've been having a hunch for a while that Xcution were in connection with Vandenreich which also explains what Ginjou meant with Soul Society and Ukitake being Ichigos true enemies.
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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    That Insider is Ukitake, never noticed the resemblance between the Substitute Badge and the Vandenreich Device?
    And back in the Soul Society Arc, Uryuu recognized it from somewhere but that is only evident now that he kept something secret about it.
    I've been having a hunch for a while that Xcution were in connection with Vandenreich which also explains what Ginjou meant with Soul Society and Ukitake being Ichigos true enemies.
    But it just doesn't make any sense. Ukitake showed no particular ties to the Quincy to be considered an insider.
    The devices show resemblance in both being pentagon shaped, but nothing more. Also, I don't think it was constructed personally by Ukitake, either. Ishida's Sprenger had a similar shape, too. It's just a commonly used one, I guess.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    But it just doesn't make any sense. Ukitake showed no particular ties to the Quincy to be considered an insider.
    The devices show resemblance in both being pentagon shaped, but nothing more. Also, I don't think it was constructed personally by Ukitake, either. Ishida's Sprenger had a similar shape, too. It's just a commonly used one, I guess.
    You gotta consider that Kubo pulls alot of foreshadowing to tie things together.
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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    You gotta consider that Kubo pulls alot of foreshadowing to tie things together.
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    Wow, you put some good effort in bringing up those together, didn't you
    Anyway, I don't know if we could ever trust Ginjo's words for real, but what Ishida seemed to think may have a sense of truth in it, though he never implied what he was thinking about.

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    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member NoOneInParticular's Avatar
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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

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    You gotta consider that Kubo pulls alot of foreshadowing to tie things together.
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    Nice catch on the Fullbring-tenshou and the Vandenreich insignia. I'm not sure that's anything to do with Ukitake though, and more to do with Ichigo's hidden Quincy roots. I'm also inclined to think the Representative Badge being pentagon shaped is just a coincidence.

    But the thing with Ginjou's medallion is also interesting. Whilst the Vandenreich's symbol has five points, the older Quincy used a standard cross. Maybe Ginjou's necklace is in fact an old-style Quincy cross. Perhaps he's got a similar connection to the Quincy to Ichigo. Fullbring also works similarly to Quincy power, in that it utilises external spiritual matter, so maybe the Quincy are the ones who taught humans infected with Hollow power to use it, and that's how Fullbring was born. Nice catches there.

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    Re: Final antagonist in Bleachverse ??

    Wow! I am getting this really creepy feeling that something extremely shady is going on. We have medallions that somewhat resemble the power of the badge Ichigo was given. They could be based on stolen technology...or 'leaked' technology. The twelfth had information on all captain's bankai. And I imagine, that's where the badges were made.

    But what's bugging me is how the VR got the information. Is Mayuri a 'mole' who was working both sides???

    And did the obviously manipulated Jidanbou's attack on the twelfth represent an enemy attempting to steal information, or was it the Shiba clan acting to protect the Seireitei somehow.

    It seems like either Mayuri or the Shiba clan could be culprits here. And the fullbringers are with the Shiba clan. Is the Shiba clan controlling them? Or are they controlling the Shiba clan???

    Who's the bad guys here? Who're the good guys? YIKES!

    I really can't wait until the next chapter comes out...

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