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There would be no reason he couldn't defeat Naruto, given that Naruto can't even beat Madara-lite on his own. Add in the eight minute time limit, and at best Naruto can last for a few minutes before being murdered. Also, the wooden dragon didn't fail.
Kishi setting things up so that Naruto is proven right and allowed to live up to his destiny doesn't change anything about Madara and the fact that he was shown superior to everyone and is only being held back by the plot.
I have a feeling the plan is to kill Obito as soon as Naruto is recharged. Hence why Shikaku wanted info about the previous fight.
Its as simple as a Kamui nuke.
Yeah,as far as kakashi and Naruto are there,defeating obito shouldn't be a problem,although I'm not sure that shikaku is aware of the fact mdara won't be able to control the jubi by himself...
Of course you don't see the EMS as an external power source/up, but Itachi and Obito (the only ones who talked about Madaras past) told us otherwise:
Every translation is talking about a new power/jutsu. Yeah, we didn't see anything new so far, neither from Madara nor from Sasuke, but both of them are still alive and maybe we will see this new Jutsu in the future. Even if EMS doesn't grant new Jutsus (I know I'm repeating myself over and over again), EMS users can train and improve their MS Jutsus at any time without any risks. This alone makes EMS a huge power up, not in form of a Jutsu, but it can enhance all your MS abilities to a degree, which would be impossible with the Mangekyou Sharingan.
Let us look at Obitos story of Madara. First, I want to point out that Itachi never talked about previous fights between Madara and Hashirama. Of course I'm not saying there were no fights before their final clash, but Itachi only mentioned their last fight, which was EMS Madara vs. Hashirama.
Back to Obito:
Even in Obitos story Madara received power through external sources. What's more interesting is that the first time Obito talks about Madara vs. Hashirama, it's (you guessed right) EMS Madara vs. Hashirama.
So, nothing indicates that they went all out in their previous fights. Madara outright told us this:
Chapter 576 - aegon-rokudo translation
"I fought with him in a fight to death…\\"
In a fight to death, singular, which he lost by the way.
I'm just waiting for people putting Kakuzu in the same tier as Hashirama and Madara, since it seems that he also faced and defeated all of Hashiramas Jutsus... (just kidding)
- no prove of MS Madara vs. Hashirama
- EMS = external power up/source, even without additional Jutsus
- a single fight to death -> winner being Hashirama
Not sure Hashirama would count as the winner of a fight to the death if neither person killed the other.
How could I think that Madara lost... I was surely fooled by the fact that (after their final fight) Madara
- trolled the whole ninja world with his supposed death
- lived in the shadows his entire life
- constantly uses the cells of his enemy for fighting (Mokuton), gaining power (Rinnegan) and controlling (Jyuubi) purposes, to a level that people feel annoyed when hearing/reading the words "Hashiramas cells"
- hypes his enemy all the time
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Madara respected Hashirama for being the strongest descendent of the younger son who inherited the sage's body, where as he (Madara) was potentially the most powerful descendent of the eldest son who inherited the sage's oldest son spirit and eyes.
Unlike Hashirama though, Madara was fighting to regain the sage's legendary power, so though they both fought 'to the death', and Madara clearly lost, more than a half century removed,The god emperor of the Uchiha clan is clearly the victor.
And the only way to stop the god emperor uchiha;
One of the kage's is going to seal Madara using the death god, because short of that, I don't think there's any other way to defeat him.
I also wonder if Madara didn't start the whole fight in the first place just to get his hands on some Hashirama cells. If so, objective achieved.
On another note, I feel sorrier than ever for Juubi. I understand why his appearance is the way it is, but damn. He looks like a sock monkey that someone put together in the dark. I miss mustache Juubi.