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Thread: Bleach 520 Discussion

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    You guys realize this thread is for the discussion of the current chapter and the prediciton of events in future chapters to come? Where are the Mods?

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    We're probably gonna get a slow pace going on. Next stage will probably not even be the beginning of the reforging Bankai process. If I were to venture I guess they'll land in Kirio's palace and eat some giant feast that may or may not have training beneficial purposes.

    This will hopefully be interspersed with scenes from the more interesting goings-on in SS i.e. Kenpachi getting installed with the latest in BAMF firmware.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    We can still be made to wait about Unohana and Kenpachi. Nothing was said about him after the initial "captaincy duty in danger" call. But since Kyouraku proceeded with his plea in Central 46, it's safe to assume he already recovered his health to a good degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNWonderman View Post
    You guys realize this thread is for the discussion of the current chapter and the prediciton of events in future chapters to come? Where are the Mods?
    Any viable suggestions?
    Because I don't really think deleting multiple pages of discussions is something sensible.

    I don't really know if you have been checking each past chapter's thread, but it has been like this more or less, at least since I arrived here this summer.

    ~Oh, and I know we already have a thread about power levels, but since every discussion is based on power levels in a way or another, moving every discussion to that thread wouldn't be a suitable choice, either.
    Last edited by Hakuteiken; December 15, 2012 at 02:56 PM.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    I dunno if Kenpachi recovered lol,from what I remember,both he and Byakuya had pretty much grave wounds,really hard to heal,that's why Byakuya was even transported to the Royal Palace,because of his injuries.I find it curious that Kenpachi was not transported,which may suggest that he recovered,in which case I am amazed by his recovery rate.


    I doubt we will see soon Kenpach and Unohana training.For the next chapter,I expect to see Renji and Ichigo arriving at their destination,where Ichigo will most likely find that special "reijutsu" that will reforge his Zanpakutou.Did it occur to anyone else,that if Ichigo can use that reijutsu to reforge his Zanpakutou,then maybe Renji also has a chance of repairing his Zanpakatou?(aka his broken segments of Bankai).It would be quite awesome,as we'd see his improved Bankai and it would further raise his power,which,btw,is quite impressive,just imagine it,RENJI RESISTED A PUNCH FROM A ROYAL GUARD.(lol,that's serious character development there).

    If Unohana turned out the first Kenpachi,tbh,this did not shock me greatly,I kinda was expecting smth like this for her,then why is her Zanpakutou a healing-type ? I wonder if Unohana somehow altered her Shikai's functions,just like how Yumichika did it.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    i imagine its not hard to believe that Kenpachi can handle taking more damage than Byakuya (and likely everyone else) though so i'm sure Unohana will be enough to help him recover

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    Quote Originally Posted by g0dzax View Post
    I wonder if Unohana somehow altered her Shikai's functions,just like how Yumichika did it.
    yeah interesting question, that might very well be the case

    ---------- Post added at 03:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:05 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Render View Post
    Are we really arguing if Yamamoto was just a normal shinigami with experience? It's off-topic and completely contradicts canon.
    there wasnt much of an argument it was one person who was essentially refusing what the author himself has written

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    In Yumichika's case, it's about calling out his Shikai's name differently, and the zanpakuto not quite responding. I'm not sure if Unohana's Shikai would be prone to such an insult
    But her Shikai was a living creature or so it seems to be (I don't know if calling Mayuri's Bankai or Unohana's Shikai a living creature is the right thing), it may be open to being remodeled easily. Perhaps this was the case or Minazuki can also switch to an attacking pose which we are yet to see.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by g0dzax View Post
    Did it occur to anyone else,that if Ichigo can use that reijutsu to reforge his Zanpakutou,then maybe Renji also has a chance of repairing his Zanpakatou?(aka his broken segments of Bankai).It would be quite awesome,as we'd see his improved Bankai and it would further raise his power,which,btw,is quite impressive,just imagine it,RENJI RESISTED A PUNCH FROM A ROYAL GUARD.(lol,that's serious character development there)
    1. And why the hell do you think he IS there? For reforging his bankai, of course...?
    2. Kubo stated, that Renji's bankai WILL change. As for now, Renji's bankai is hard to control and not very useful in close combat. And catching Quincy with this thing would be tricky as well.
    3. Development? Compare those 2 situations:

    Ichigo tanked a full blow, that could have killed him if he wasn't healed, with full speed shunpo behind it. (Yakuza wouldn't be surprised if he didn't use his full speed). He counter-attacked and wounded him.

    Renji took a blow to his stomach instead of face as Ichigo. And still he was shaking, even though RG held back, because he wanted to show him, that he isn't ready to go further. And his hand was hurt by Ichigo. He didn't want to kill Renji, he wanted to prove to him, that he isn't any good right now. He underestimated him.

    Renji resisting that punch isn't impressive at all.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Very cool chapter. My thoughts:

    The title Kenpachi does not automatically mean you are the strongest fighter in that generation. I take it more as just a title that you are among the strongest. I always knew unohana would be a beastly fighter.

    Shunsui's attitude and sharpness is the reason i like him so much. True, at the current moment he is not at the level that yama is, hence it would not make sense for him to defeat Bach. However, this will give us an opportunity to see shunsui and ukitake use their famous combination and overhwlem bach.

    Kenpachi getting proper training and improving is a smart move. True he won't be at the level of yama, but he willl definitely be a powerhouse against teh SR because he does not depend on bankai. I also want to add that i believe it was Bach that defeated kenpachi, not Rroyd/Lloyd. If you look at the chapter, Bach was talking about his SRs like they were disposable trash but when Yama used the corpse technique against the Rroyd/Lloyd, he felt compassion towards his fallen comrades. Their reaction towards their comrades differs tremendously, thus making it quite clear to me that bach defeated kenpachi then switched with Rroyd/Lloyd when he sense yama's reiatsu approaching

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    Renji took a blow to his stomach instead of face as Ichigo. And still he was shaking, even though RG held back, because he wanted to show him, that he isn't ready to go further. And his hand was hurt by Ichigo. He didn't want to kill Renji, he wanted to prove to him, that he isn't any good right now. He underestimated him.

    Renji resisting that punch isn't impressive at all.
    He still exceeded Kirinji's expectations. Of course, he wasn't going for a killer blow. They were there for getting healed, not for getting beaten to death.
    Not being around RG level doesn't make it unimpressive alone. Kirinji knew he was up against a vice-captain and tested him bearing that in mind.

    I'd say it's still impressive from a certain perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    He still exceeded Kirinji's expectations. Of course, he wasn't going for a killer blow. They were there for getting healed, not for getting beaten to death.
    Not being around RG level doesn't make it unimpressive alone. Kirinji knew he was up against a vice-captain and tested him bearing that in mind.

    I'd say it's still impressive from a certain perspective.
    Not so impressive to take it as a character development and to take it as Renji being close to Ichigo.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak
    1. And why the hell do you think he IS there? For reforging his bankai, of course...?
    2. Kubo stated, that Renji's bankai WILL change. As for now, Renji's bankai is hard to control and not very useful in close combat. And catching Quincy with this thing would be tricky as well.
    3. Development? Compare those 2 situations:

    Ichigo tanked a full blow, that could have killed him if he wasn't healed, with full speed shunpo behind it. (Yakuza wouldn't be surprised if he didn't use his full speed). He counter-attacked and wounded him.

    Renji took a blow to his stomach instead of face as Ichigo. And still he was shaking, even though RG held back, because he wanted to show him, that he isn't ready to go further. And his hand was hurt by Ichigo. He didn't want to kill Renji, he wanted to prove to him, that he isn't any good right now. He underestimated him.

    Renji resisting that punch isn't impressive at all.
    1.Renji and Rukia and Byakuya were taken there for healing,as their wounds were too great for Unohana to heal.Ichigo was taken there to reforge his Bankai,not Renji.Of course it's also possible Renji will repair his Zanpakutou,but that was not the motive with which he was brought to the Royal Palace.


    2.Did you see the new Bankai of Renji ? Ofc Kubo stated his Bankai would change,it's said that during the time-skip he perfected his Bankai,THAT's when his Bankai changed lol.We have not seen his new Bankai form and how Renji controls it now,so you can only assume and say it's hard to control,since we've not seen it.:-)

    3.Ofc the RG held back when he hit Renji.I said it's impressive because he was suprised by the fact that Renji resisted and didn't fly away,despite shaking.It is impressive compared to what Renji has done up until now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken
    I'd say it's still impressive from a certain perspective.
    That's how I view it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak
    Not so impressive to take it as a character development and to take it as Renji being close to Ichigo.
    Now,who said that Renji tanking that attack makes him anywhere close to Ichigo lol ? I am simply trying to say that Renji has started to display finally some power,something to show that he isn't just a garbage VC.
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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    Not so impressive to take it as a character development and to take it as Renji being close to Ichigo.
    It is a character development because Kubo could have easily left Renji in the healing pool and cast him aside until Ichigo went through all his journey in the Royal Dimension. Instead, Renji is also sent to the next palace, so, we may assume he'll still have a role in the rest of the journey, as small as it may be.
    Being close to Ichigo in terms of power isn't something I advocated in the first place, so, I'll pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raizen View Post
    i believe it was Bach that defeated kenpachi, not Rroyd/Lloyd.

    thank you, i've been wonderin about that for a while, whether or not we had actual proof that it was the Fake who had Kenpachi by the throat when we went back to that scene

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by g0dzax View Post
    1.Renji and Rukia and Byakuya were taken there for healing,as their wounds were too great for Unohana to heal.Ichigo was taken there to reforge his Bankai,not Renji.Of course it's also possible Renji will repair his Zanpakutou,but that was not the motive with which he was brought to the Royal Palace.
    His bankai would change entirely. Also, I don't think Renji's and Rukia's wounds were SO much. Rukia was already awake. As for Byakuya... he was and still is in serious condition.


    Quote Quote:
    2.Did you see the new Bankai of Renji ? Ofc Kubo stated his Bankai would change,it's said that during the time-skip he perfected his Bankai,THAT's when his Bankai changed lol.We have not seen his new Bankai form and how Renji controls it now,so you can only assume and say it's hard to control,since we've not seen it.:-)
    Oh, and how do YOU know, that his bankai changed during timeskip? It's just your baseless assumption. You just had to write something, didn't you?

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    3.Ofc the RG held back when he hit Renji.I said it's impressive because he was suprised by the fact that Renji resisted and didn't fly away,despite shaking.It is impressive compared to what Renji has done up until now.
    Until now he was doing very good. He wasn't fodder character like, for instance, Komamura.

    Quote Quote:
    Now,who said that Renji tanking that attack makes him anywhere close to Ichigo lol ? I am simply trying to say that Renji has started to display finally some power,something to show that he isn't just a garbage VC.
    Before you post, read the WHOLE thread. :P There were such posts. Ang again, it ISN'T character development. It was there just to let Renji go further with Ichigo.

    Quote Quote:
    It is a character development because Kubo could have easily left Renji in the healing pool and cast him aside until Ichigo went through all his journey in the Royal Dimension. Instead, Renji is also sent to the next palace, so, we may assume he'll still have a role in the rest of the journey, as small as it may be.
    The whole journey is, resisting a punch isn't. He had to go with Ichigo. One could wonder why. To remodel his bankai...?

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    the exchange between Kenpachi and Haschwald makes me wonder if Kubo hasnt already pointed out to us just who he will be facing after all....Haschwald

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/503/5

    the look Haschwald gave him almost seemed like it was personal like there was something about Kenpachi even he a very calm and collected person (as far as we've seen) seems quite annoyed by

    it would probably be an interesting fight

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