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Thread: Bleach 520 Discussion

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Exodi View Post
    Exacta is saying that Unohana Yachiru is the person Kusajishi Yachiru is named after.


    And yeah, I was completely blindsided by that one.
    This page makes a lot more sense now: http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/99970223/20

    "Retsu"
    What does Retsu mean?
    Could the Sage of Six Paths be named Sanada Yukimura?

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanadan View Post
    What does Retsu mean?
    "Retsu" is Unohana's first name. Notice that it's in quotations on the page in the link. As if the Kirin guy knows that's not her actual name.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanadan View Post
    What does Retsu mean?
    "Retsu" mean "Violent" in Japanese.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowdemon View Post
    Why would you be? Zaraki was practically useless against Royd as Juha and it would be completely stupid if Zaraki learns the art of killing then not at least being able to stand up to Juha. He's going to be on the same tier as Unohana, Kyouraku and Ukitake by what it sounds like (since I don't want to be too quick to say stronger than them.)
    I'm assuming Unohana, Kyouraku and Ukitake aren't going to be able to be stand up to Bach, which is an easy assumption when there is the fact that he defeated Captain-Commander one on one. So, if Kenpachi is to stand up to him, he would most likely have to surpass those three.
    That makes it a very gigantic leap in power, Ichigo-esque, I'd say. It's only my personal preference that I don't like people outdoing the much more experienced fellows like it's nothing instantly.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Let's be realistic here. Juha Bach now has Zanka no Tachi. It will take more than just Unohana, Ukitake, Shunshui, Zaraki, the current Gotei 13 to deal with him.

    Unless Zaraki's bankai is the perfect counter against Zanka no Tachi.....
    Last edited by Toby_Temple; December 13, 2012 at 02:47 AM.
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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    Let's be realistic here. Juha Bach now has Zanka no Tachi. It will take more than just Unohana, Ukitake, Shunshui, Zaraki, the current Gotei 13 to deal with him.

    Unless Zaraki's bankai is the perfect counter for Zanka no Tachi.....
    That's assuming Bach can use Zanka no Tachi's techniques. We are still yet to see an example of such situation. As Nodt and Driscoll used no special techniques of the Bankai they possessed. He was talking about using a technique, but that might well be a trick to enrage Captain-Commander.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    That's assuming Bach can use Zanka no Tachi's techniques. We are still yet to see an example of such situation. As Nodt and Driscoll used no special techniques of the Bankai they possessed. He was talking about using a technique, but that might well be a trick to enrage Captain-Commander.
    That is irrelevant. Without his bankai, Yamamoto did not stand a chance against the real Juha Bach. And we know how powerful Yamamoto was even without using his soul-cutter.

    Even without using a technique, unleashing Zanka no Tachi is enough to give the whole of Gotei 13 problems. Then add Juha Bach's own power to the mix.

    You also need to remember that 4 of the captains do not have their bankais anymore.
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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    That is irrelevant. Without his bankai, Yamamoto did not stand a chance against the real Juha Bach. And we know how powerful Yamamoto was even without using his soul-cutter.

    Even without using a technique, unleashing Zanka no Tachi is enough to give the whole of Gotei 13 problems. Then add Juha Bach's own power to the mix.

    You also need to remember that 4 of the captains do not have their bankais anymore.
    That's also an assumption. Captain-Commander was trying to end the battle quickly and after Royd tanked the Shikai attack, he immediately resorted to his Bankai, noting that Bach would possibly be killed by only his Bankai. As powerful as he was, Captain-Commander couldn't possibly deal with the entire SS on his own, and there is no reason to think Bach can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torran View Post
    Kenpachi has never been that strong. Shunsui said that they needed him to improve because at the moment he's just vice captain material with powerful reiatsu, yet he just flails until something happens. And Ichigo and Byakuya are somewhere else, Yamamoto is dead, and so on, they need to gather all the battle power they can and Kenpachi is just taking a spot and not using it.

    He might get a power up and it might make him as strong as strong and useful as Byakuya, but he's not going to do anything as ridiculous as what he did in that fanfic released earlier this year. The truth is that he has always had luck with the match ups so he's still alive, but as he's now he doesn't stand a chance against equally plot-armored enemies.
    He isn't that strong, but he isn't VC material or something like that.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    That's also an assumption. Captain-Commander was trying to end the battle quickly and after Royd tanked the Shikai attack, he immediately resorted to his Bankai, noting that Bach would possibly be killed by only his Bankai. As powerful as he was, Captain-Commander couldn't possibly deal with the entire SS on his own, and there is no reason to think Bach can.
    It is a logical assumption. And you are making a mistake by thinking that Juha Bach without Zanka no Tachi = Juha Bach with Zanka no Tachi.

    And yes, it is much possible for Juha Bach to deal with the whole of SS than Yamamoto because Juha can steal bankais.
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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    That's quite an healthy discussion about Bach's power while having Zanka no Tachi, but I am not sure, that a stolen Bankai can survive the death of it's former owner.

    Beside from that, did Kubo mention that Zanka no Tachi is the strongest Bankai in existence? I remember the Zanpaktou was stated the strongest fire based Zanpaktou und Yamamoto sure is the strongest Shinigami. Or was. His power, however, isn't only based on his Zanpaktou as one could see in his fight against Aizen and Wonderweiss. My point is, that especially Kyouraku's Bankai might be enormous powerful. Everytime we saw him in fight in the manga yet he was clearly struggling. Kubo's storytelling made it clear that he has to be powerful, and yes, he defeated the Primera Espada - but that fight brought him on the edge of defeat several times. If his bankai has the same character as his shikai, his power might be near endless - I think of it as a Bankai that creates it's own world with special rules that only Kyouraku understands. A power like Shinji's, who switches directions, or Tousen's, who engulfes everything into darkness. The same goes for Ukitake. His ability reflecting techniques might be amplified several times in Bankai.
    Unohana, however, will have the total opposite of her Shikai as Bankai. Pure Destruction.


    And Kenpachi with Bankai? Not gonna happen. It would be too much fanservice. And it would possibly render Ichigo useless .

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Can he? I thought one medallion was only capable of stealing only one Bankai.
    So, Kyouraku, Ukitake, Unohana, whoever is there to fight can go Bankai against Bach, unless his medallion is capable of stealing more than one Bankai, which isn't stated so far.
    As Nodt stated that he could have stolen Renji's bankai if the other quincy did not stopped Renji from using it, after the fact the he already stole Byakuya's bankai.

    In other words, each stenritter can steal as much bankais as they can with the medallion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooticus View Post
    That's quite an healthy discussion about Bach's power while having Zanka no Tachi, but I am not sure, that a stolen Bankai can survive the death of it's former owner.
    Remember the bankai of Sasakibe? It was used by one of the Sternritter even when he was already dead.
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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    As Nodt stated that he could have stolen Renji's bankai if the other quincy did not stopped Renji from using it, after the fact the he already stole Byakuya's bankai.

    In other words, each stenritter can steal as much bankais as they can with the medallion.

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    Remember the bankai of Sasakibe? It was used by one of the Sternritter even when he was already dead.
    No, sir. It's not clear.
    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/502/11
    "We" could have stolen it, As Nodt says.

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    Please continue the discussion in the power levels thread, by the way.
    Zaraki's previous accomplishments / lack of accomplishments has got little to do with the current flow of plot.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    No, sir. It's not clear.
    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/502/11
    "We" could have stolen it, As Nodt says.
    Mangastream has a better translation.
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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby_Temple View Post
    Mangastream has a better translation. So does BadKarma.
    That's debatable, then. Fair enough.
    Depends on the nature of the medallion which is probably going to be explained by the likes of Urahara and Mayuri at any case. I shall wait for coming up with a conclusion.

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    Re: Bleach 520 Discussion / 521 Predictions

    So I guess Renji's training during the timeskip, and the one that will probably come soon, is how he's going to become a captain. I don't quite see anyone else as qualified as him to replace Kyoraku.

    And it's troubling to think of Kyoraku as a CC, he lacks the powerlevel for it. Is Unohana really not the better choice ? Sure Kyoraku has the mind for it, but he's gonna need an upgrade. Isn't a CC supposed to be able to stop every captain he commands? Then again, we haven't seen his Bankai.

    I just wonder if he could stop a fully upgraded Kenpachi on his own, or if he'd have to call in Unohana
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