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Ray and drake here aswell.
Yasopp had at least 1 chapter to shine, while roo on the other hand...
Drake has an incredibly high bounty, Supernovas can be considered the fourth strongest "group" after navy, yonkou and shishibukai.
So a New world supernova captian should be at least equal to a yonkous top-officer. Since we dont know how roo is exactly ranked among shanks crew, neither did we see anything from him despite one shotting a noobish bandit, so i agree with the first point: It would be ridicolous if he advances instead of Drake.
No need to comment on the other 2.
Drake is on his own, while roo is under protection by his crew, yet drake seemed to be filled with enough self esteem to recklessly charge one of a yonkous higher subordinates. He also tried to attack an admiral, even though he knew what powers kizaru had (since he was a marine aswell).
So maybe he hasnt shown veeeeery impressive things, but more impressive than the sheer status of "beeing somewhere in a yonkous crew".
Scotch could be a top-member of kaidos crew aswell, yet drake certainly/probably dispatched him easily.
Last edited by Pigov; December 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM.
Scotch is also in a Yonkous crew, he should definitely participate in this tournament too.. Also the Gorosei! They would automatically win because of their status
And whats with Kaidou or Big Mum? Oh I forgot, Big Mum lost against Van Oger from BB crew
"Roo should advance since he is an unknown ranked younkos crew member that has shown nothing so far, but he is probably as strong as marco, since every yonkous crew is probably the same
Drake will lose since he only fought a unknown ranked, but certainly below roo in terms of status, yonkous crew member, obviously "
Does that sound better to you? This is actually the mindboggling part :P
And why do you assume that scotch is weak? Or why should that mean that drake is just as strong as strong?
No one said that roo is a pushover, and even if he would be able to one-shot drake, we cant tell. Drake could be able to one shot 20 scotchs at once, we cant tell. Point is,
every argument pro roo can be turned around and used as pro drake, yet drake has shown more so far, thats all we have, the rest is guessing and this is up to each member for himself
But your post sounds like we arent allowed to guess that drake is strong, but have to assume that roo is strong?
If we only go by status, the whole tournament would have made no sense.
edit: now seriously, who said that the rookie captians arent as strong as the average yonkous crew members after the time skip? Why do most people sound like "beeing in a younkous crew makes you autowin"?
@darkprince: exactly, that was on purpose. See above^^ But there is no double morale involed, since drake actually DID something. He fought, even if off paneled, he won certainly. Roo did nothing so far.
Last edited by Pigov; December 11, 2012 at 05:23 AM.
if showing is everything; then why don't we declare Luffy as the winner of the tournament?
ever heard of a "middle way"? Polemics wont do any good here :P
and Drake has shown to be strong is really overestimation. once he lost a battle big time; another time he fought (and won) against some random island guard of a Yonkou.
and Lucky Roo hasn't shown anything except being Shank's primary crew-mate. for me that's enough, seeing other primary crew-mates of the Yonkous. if Whitebeard, Big Mom can have overwhelmingly strong mates; then i see no reason for Shanks to not have one. unless it is not shown otherwise, I have no reason to believe that Lucky Roo is the only weak primary crew-mate of a Yonkou.
how nice that i voted on ability not on reputation... saves me the discussion
calm down darkprince, i never said you arent allowed to have your own oppinion You and impossibility on the other hand are downright opposing everyone not agreeing with you and try to make them look stupid.
And like i said in the beginning, my vote was just made to avoid having the finals consit of 20 guys who never showed anything, but are rumored and expected to be strong. So yes, i kinda expect lucky roo to be stronger than drake, still, i am not jumping the "yonkou crewmate pawns all" train, until he proved me otherwise.
Ihmo, and thats really just me, i think oda made the supernovas for the sole purpose to show how strong you can grow over 2 years, while i expect every other strong character, be it yonkou, shishibukai or admiral, to remain around their powerlevel.
So we can see the power gap closing between secondary characters (smoker f.e.) and supernovas on the one, and top class fighters on the other hand. At least thats what i wish it to be like.
So in the end, we are all just guessing.
A good example of how diverse oppinions can be on that matter is Mr.Arashi´s post on page one...
Thats probably the full range in within we can argue. :PQuote:
Last edited by Pigov; December 11, 2012 at 09:57 AM.
Last edited by Impossibility; December 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM.
would I guess Lucky Roo to be strong? yes, i would. would i guess Lucky Roo to be stronger than average pirate? yes, i would again. would i guess Lucky Roo to be stronger than Supernova? a general answer would be, yes, i would. would i guess Lucky Roo to be stronger than Mihawk? no, i wouldn't. did Mihawk showed anything much? no, he didn't. yet his reputation proceeds him. would i guess Lucky Roo to be stronger than Akainu? no, i wouldn't. my imagination is within limit, with facts.
the bottomline is, even reputation would take someone so far as it would seem reasonable, not beyond that.
it is true, we all are guessing. i am guessing on Roo's status, many are guessing on Drake turning into a dinosaur. if i seemed to be rude, then all i can do is apologize for that.
about Mr. Arashi's comment; Luffy has opposed Big Mom too, so that means he has very power to oppose a Yonkou? like Whitebeard or Shanks?
Last edited by darkprince0521; December 11, 2012 at 12:37 PM.
The thing is that Drake hasn't shown much. You may say that neither has Lucky Roo. But in that case, we have to go off of some point, and that is their general ranking.
Drake was a Read Admiral, which is below Vice Admiral. He got taken out by a Pacifista right away, he couldn't even put up a fight. We haven't seen anything else from him, and that's all we have to go off of now (the guy on the snowy island that Drake met showed no indication that he was a main member of Kaidou's crew, nor did we even see Drake beating him). Did he get stronger after 2 years? Who knows where he's at, we can't go based off how strong we would like him to have gotten.
Lucky Roo, at least, is a main member of Shanks' crew. His fellow crewmmate, Ben Beckman, was able to make Kizaru put his hands in the air just by pointing a gun at him. And Marco, another main crewmember of a Yonkou, was able to put up a good fight against Kizaru for quite a while. So we can at least estimate Lucky Roo to be somewhere around their strength. Maybe higher, maybe lower, who knows. But it's reasonable to say somewhere in that ballpark.
And based off that, Drake isn't in the same league. I know we don't like voting for people who haven't been shown doing much, but I can't see a compelling reason why Drake should be rated above Lucky Roo, based off of what we've seen.
No, seriously. What is the point in such a tournament, if characters win, only because they are in a Yonkous Crew or got a high status?
We saw Pekoms in action, he one shotted Caribou and showed us, that he is very powerful and dangerous. Yet, he was kicked out in the last round.
What is with Big Mum? Didnt even get 2nd in her group, lost to Van Auger.
Yasopp proceeded because his group was weak, there wasn't a monster like Drake or an other Supernova in his group.
If you let someone like Beckman proceed to the next round, I would unterstand it, due, he lost to BB and Dragon. And come on guys, we even saw more from Dragon than from Lucky Roo, so dont start with: Uuuuh Dragon won only because of his reputation and status ^^
The reason why I defend Drake and other characters like him against this "reputation" characters is simple: They deserved a place in the next round!
I have no problem if Lucky Roo one shots him and gets the chance to show us his potential.. I even think that he is on Yozus level. But for now, Drake deserves it more.
And I apologize of course, didnt want to offend anyone.