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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Sand is a physical object, it would be pushed away by Kuma's ability just like anything else. I don't see how Croc turning himself to sand is going to make him anymore threatening to Kuma. Logia's aren't untouchable, they play by the rules of their element. Sand is a physical object that can be blown away just like any other.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Sand is small, I doubt Kuma would be able to catch all the grains with his paws. All Crocodile needs to do is get some past his defenses and then just use those to grind up the works.
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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Normally Kuma shouldn't have Haki, Haki = ambition, willpower etc, someone who has no " mind " at all, shoudn't have it

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Zehahaha View Post
    Normally Kuma shouldn't have Haki, Haki = ambition, willpower etc, someone who has no " mind " at all, shoudn't have it
    Exactly, that was my point. Kuma might be able to reflect sand but he wont be able to damage him , since he has no ''will'' (haki).

    I agree.

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    My point is that if Kuma can push back the sand, how does Croc do anything to Kuma? Kuma should be able to push Croc as far, or anywhere, he wanted to. He might not know Croc explicit weakness, but he knows the weakness of every DF user. Just push Croc into the sea.

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    the point is:

    He cant possible touch the entire crocoman. Because he has no haki. If he repels we see the sand flying but thats like a little sting from a bullet to luffy. He just wouldnt care. Ofc, he could send some pawbombs, but even those couldnt effect croc, because they are still physical attacks.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachsenhesse View Post
    the point is:

    He cant possible touch the entire crocoman. Because he has no haki. If he repels we see the sand flying but thats like a little sting from a bullet to luffy. He just wouldnt care. Ofc, he could send some pawbombs, but even those couldnt effect croc, because they are still physical attacks.
    He has the ability to reflect anything , but that also means that he has to be fast enough to do that. I dont know how fast Kuma is , but if Croc can out-speed him he can land some Hits on him. Kuma is made from the same material all Pasifistas are and we saw from Luffy what imbued with Haki attacks can do to them... I believe Croc's Haki lvl is enough to damage the hard body of Kuma. He wouldnt attack Jozu if he wasnt confident enough of his skills.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachsenhesse View Post
    the point is:

    He cant possible touch the entire crocoman. Because he has no haki. If he repels we see the sand flying but thats like a little sting from a bullet to luffy. He just wouldnt care. Ofc, he could send some pawbombs, but even those couldnt effect croc, because they are still physical attacks.
    if he can repel non existing things like pain or fatigue, then it is very safe to assume that he can repel sand.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    yes. he can repel the sand. and then? its just goes flying, crocodile still standing there. to actually hurt a logiauser u need his weakness or haki, kuma doesnt have both.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachsenhesse View Post
    the point is:

    He cant possible touch the entire crocoman. Because he has no haki. If he repels we see the sand flying but thats like a little sting from a bullet to luffy. He just wouldnt care. Ofc, he could send some pawbombs, but even those couldnt effect croc, because they are still physical attacks.
    I've already pointed out that the most effective attack is to simply push Croc around, and exploit his DF weakness by pushing him into some water. That, or utilising the laser. You admit that Kuma can send Croc, and his sand, flying, so I don't see how this would be a problem. Also, you keep referencing that Kuma cannot inflict harm on Croc, but what exactly is Croc going to do to Kuma if he is incapable of getting close, or overcoming his paws.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

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    You admit that Kuma can send Croc, and his sand, flying
    No,no. I admit that he can send only the sand flying. Not croc. Like when he was punched by Luffy... the sand were flying, but croc still standing there and giving no fuck at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    My point is that if Kuma can push back the sand, how does Croc do anything to Kuma? Kuma should be able to push Croc as far, or anywhere, he wanted to. He might not know Croc explicit weakness, but he knows the weakness of every DF user. Just push Croc into the sea.
    "The" sea as in a sea in "the" arena? It must be one hell of a huge arena
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachsenhesse View Post
    No,no. I admit that he can send only the sand flying. Not croc. Like when he was punched by Luffy... the sand were flying, but croc still standing there and giving no fuck at all.
    That was a small volume of sand from a punch, if Kuma sends the most of the sand flying, he is sending Croc flying. Croc is the sand, wherever the sand goes, so goes Croc. I don't understand what's not to get about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0Xellos View Post
    "The" sea as in a sea in "the" arena? It must be one hell of a huge arena
    Is there some limit to the bounds of the arena, I haven't seen anything to suggest that Kuma couldn't toss Croc massive distances. Although, I have to admit to not being totally certain about this aspect of the arena.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    I don't think Kuma can hurt Crocodile as he is now. But that doesn't mean he can't win. It all depends on where the fight is happening. Is it in an enclosed arena with walls and ceiling? Or is it somewhere in the open where Kuma can send him flying and kinda "disqualify" him? There's more than one way to win and this is that kind of battle.

    Of course, it's possible that Kuma can trap Crocodile in an air bubble (with multiple layers if neccessary) and make him suffocate. Or he can repel the moist from the air into one paw and shoot it at Crocodile, making him wet and then shoot a laser through his wet chest or something.

    But then, Crocodile could maybe throw sand into Kuma and damage him from inside.

    I don't know. It's tough. I voted for Kuma, but only because I imagined the fight would be in the open, somewhere.

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    Re: Second Round: Battle Royale 8

    Even if Kuma can send Crocodile flying, it's not like Crocodile's dumb enough to fall in the ocean. He can control where his sand flies, and wouldn't let himself fall in the ocean. Actually, it's debatable whether that specific technique would be really effective against a Logia. He might be able to send them flying, but most Logias seem to be capable of flight themselves, Crocodile among those in that group. He could just escape the technique and travel back.

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