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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by abc1233 View Post
    But based on him being able to kill the bull even before having that thing implanted in him, it does indicate that the thing has made him stronger even if he doesn't "activate it".
    Maybe. And maybe not. All he said was that the water seemed to amplify growth and control over Shinsoo because the demon was living there. Sure, if it's inside a person it could potentially only affect Baam. Or maybe it doesn't passively affect anything about Baam. Maybe he has to learn how to use it to get anything out of it.

    Let's face it, in regards to part 1, the healing lobster is the only thing out of the ordinary about Baam. It was clear from the start that he's special with his high resistance to Shinsoo, his talent in it's control and ability to mimic new techniques instantly. And all that was before he got the lobster.

    Speaking of the Bull, I'm not sure how large an effect that entity had on Baam. We've seen him do an outburst unconsciously before he was even close to the water tank and the demon - http://www.mangareader.net/tower-of-god/26

    Oh damn, I'm just trying to find proof that the lobster isn't amplifying Baam that much because I'm hoping it isn't. But in any case, if it is, it isn't amplifying him in a large scale. Considering the speed of his growth, the current ability in Shinsoo control, power and number of Rooms is something he should have been capable of even without the lobster. Love even noticed Baam's power isn't that big.

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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    We've seen him do an outburst unconsciously before he was even close to the water tank and the demon - http://www.mangareader.net/tower-of-god/26
    Yes, but as Lero Ro said after Baam used it, that attack was not particularly powerful. The surprise was in how Baam managed to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    Yes, but as Lero Ro said after Baam used it, that attack was not particularly powerful. The surprise was in how Baam managed to do it.
    Which isn't strange because, until that point, Baam didn't even receive any training in Shinsoo control. He practically didn't even know what Shinsoo really is.

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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    Maybe. And maybe not. All he said was that the water seemed to amplify growth and control over Shinsoo because the demon was living there. Sure, if it's inside a person it could potentially only affect Baam. Or maybe it doesn't passively affect anything about Baam. Maybe he has to learn how to use it to get anything out of it.

    Let's face it, in regards to part 1, the healing lobster is the only thing out of the ordinary about Baam. It was clear from the start that he's special with his high resistance to Shinsoo, his talent in it's control and ability to mimic new techniques instantly. And all that was before he got the lobster.

    Speaking of the Bull, I'm not sure how large an effect that entity had on Baam. We've seen him do an outburst unconsciously before he was even close to the water tank and the demon - http://www.mangareader.net/tower-of-god/26

    Oh damn, I'm just trying to find proof that the lobster isn't amplifying Baam that much because I'm hoping it isn't. But in any case, if it is, it isn't amplifying him in a large scale. Considering the speed of his growth, the current ability in Shinsoo control, power and number of Rooms is something he should have been capable of even without the lobster. Love even noticed Baam's power isn't that big.
    Think in the afterword for this chapter, SIU pretty much said that he could only use that move to kill the bull because of the water, he told readers who thought that Baam killed the bull because he was a genius to not underestimate him as an author. I don't know, we'll have to see, it would take away from many of his achievements if the entity is giving him a passive boost in shinsoo control so I'm with you in hoping that it doesn't.

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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

    The power is completely irrelevant there, it's actually the very manipulating shinsoo (or shinsoo willingly helping him), which can't otherwise be done without a contract with the Guardian?

    BTW, remember what the 2F Guardian (hugeass eel thing) said about the contract for manipulating shinsoo? "This isn't your power, but your shackle". What if Baam's been forming contracts with guardians, and that's actually limiting his shinsoo control? Never mind the attack, it's that he never had any idea about shinsoo being something that restrains (in the eel cage during the Ball test or with Leroro's wall, and those were much less negligible forces). Imagine what his attacks could've looked like if the contracts were really restraining his full power!
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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by 0Xellos View Post
    The power is completely irrelevant there, it's actually the very manipulating shinsoo (or shinsoo willingly helping him), which can't otherwise be done without a contract with the Guardian?

    BTW, remember what the 2F Guardian (hugeass eel thing) said about the contract for manipulating shinsoo? "This isn't your power, but your shackle". What if Baam's been forming contracts with guardians, and that's actually limiting his shinsoo control? Never mind the attack, it's that he never had any idea about shinsoo being something that restrains (in the eel cage during the Ball test or with Leroro's wall, and those were much less negligible forces). Imagine what his attacks could've looked like if the contracts were really restraining his full power!
    If Baam has advanced to the point that having contracts with the guardians is limiting his power, he'd stop forming contracts with them. His status as an irregular violates the laws of the tower, the agents of the tower have actively worked to stop his advancement (including in violation of tower law), and he is a member of a criminal organization trying to kill Zahard (admittedly, not by choice). What is his motivation to follow the rules if it is to his detriment?

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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    If Baam has advanced to the point that having contracts with the guardians is limiting his power, he'd stop forming contracts with them. His status as an irregular violates the laws of the tower, the agents of the tower have actively worked to stop his advancement (including in violation of tower law), and he is a member of a criminal organization trying to kill Zahard (admittedly, not by choice). What is his motivation to follow the rules if it is to his detriment?
    Not necessarily. Not forming contracts and still using shinsoo like a boss is bound to get people interested in him, and have them find out he's an irregular. And I don't think FUG would let that be, since they try to present him as an, even if exceptional, regular.
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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by 0Xellos View Post
    Not necessarily. Not forming contracts and still using shinsoo like a boss is bound to get people interested in him, and have them find out he's an irregular. And I don't think FUG would let that be, since they try to present him as an, even if exceptional, regular.
    Has the series ever explicitly explained what it means that Baam is a slayer candidate?

    The obvious explanation is that it denotes someone that FUG hopes will be able to kill Zahard which means irregular to those in the know. (Do most people know that Zahard can only be killed by an irregular? I'm going to say no.) Those same people (basically, the rankers on each floor which pretty much means test administrators) would probably be the only ones that would notice that he doesn't have a contract with the guardian, and even then, that is debatable since I don't think people are generally in direct contact with the guardian to know he doesn't have a contract and is using shinsoo.

    Also, I'm not sure how anyone knowing that Baam is an irregular is a really bad thing. Baam doesn't currently fly under the radar. (wearing the logo of a criminal organization doesn't help) And are people are going to look down on a member of a criminal organization even more because it is revealed that they are an even bigger criminal? (at least in regards to the laws of the tower)

    But more importantly, the upside of making it even less likely that Baam fails to advance in the tower is worth the possibility of a little extra scrutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    Also, I'm not sure how anyone knowing that Baam is an irregular is a really bad thing. Baam doesn't currently fly under the radar. (wearing the logo of a criminal organization doesn't help) And are people are going to look down on a member of a criminal organization even more because it is revealed that they are an even bigger criminal? (at least in regards to the laws of the tower)
    Oh, that's nothing big - just the entire tiny army of Zahard trying to kill him before he kills Zahard... they don't give a damn if you're a regular/ranker, since you can't do shit to Zahard. But if you're an irregular AND a member of FUG, that's a problem, because you're able to and willing to go after Zahard. BTW Baam is probably the only person in the whole Tower who satisfies both these conditions. And knowing irregulars' growth, Baam's going to be veeeery hard to kill by the time he reaches 134F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0Xellos View Post
    Oh, that's nothing big - just the entire tiny army of Zahard trying to kill him before he kills Zahard... they don't give a damn if you're a regular/ranker, since you can't do shit to Zahard. But if you're an irregular AND a member of FUG, that's a problem, because you're able to and willing to go after Zahard. BTW Baam is probably the only person in the whole Tower who satisfies both these conditions. And knowing irregulars' growth, Baam's going to be veeeery hard to kill by the time he reaches 134F.
    Not going to respond to the fact that him being the FUG slayer candidate almost certainly broadcasts the fact that he is an irregular?

    You also forgot that by attempting to kill Baam, Zahard and his people would be violating the laws of the tower which is no small thing. (If the government violates the law for its own benefit, anything resembling order collapses) It would also make enemies of some insanely powerful people, including at least one who CAN kill Zahard. (Hell, that might not be limited to Urek Mazino. You don't think Phantaminum or Enryu might be interested in Zahard trying to kill irregulars because they can kill him?)

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    Reclaimer, while that might be the obvious choice of what Slayer means, it's clearly not, otherwise Grace and his chief henchmen could attack Zahard.

    Baam is not the type of strong irregular that people are used to seeing. It's pretty clear that Karaka is not an irregular.

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    Re: Tower of God Chapter 123 Discussion/124 Predictions

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    Reclaimer, while that might be the obvious choice of what Slayer means, it's clearly not, otherwise Grace and his chief henchmen could attack Zahard.
    How do we know he can't? Yes, he was born in the tower, but Zahard wasn't king then, so it would seem very weird for the unable to be killed rule would back apply to him. The best argument that he can't is that if he could, why hasn't he, and that can be easily explained by the fact that Zahard is more powerful than him. Now, there is no guarantee that Baam becomes more powerful than Zahard, but even if he does not, it is not a total loss for FUG because if they collect enough irregulars, they will eventually be able to overwhelm Zahard, even if none of them are as powerful as him individually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    Not going to respond to the fact that him being the FUG slayer candidate almost certainly broadcasts the fact that he is an irregular?

    You also forgot that by attempting to kill Baam, Zahard and his people would be violating the laws of the tower which is no small thing. (If the government violates the law for its own benefit, anything resembling order collapses) It would also make enemies of some insanely powerful people, including at least one who CAN kill Zahard. (Hell, that might not be limited to Urek Mazino. You don't think Phantaminum or Enryu might be interested in Zahard trying to kill irregulars because they can kill him?)
    You're taking a theory and turning it into a fact to base your other assumptions on. The slayers all being irregulars is still just a theory, there are arguments for and against it, but you certainly can't say for definite either way at this point.

    In what way would they be violating the laws of the tower? Yes Baam was chosen by the tower but that doesn't necessarily mean that killing him will defy the tower. Besides, Zahard's people have already tried to kill him, what about ren? Why would FUG go to such lengths to fake Baam's death if they didn't think he was in danger? Granted Hwa Ryun seems to have her own agenda.

    Urek isn't exactly Baam's ally, he is just interested in him. He doesn't even know that he's an irregular and chances are he doesn't care, he just wants to leave the tower. Enryu and Phanta are complete mysteries, we know nothing about them so we can't assume that they'll care at all if Zahard kills an irregular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    How do we know he can't? Yes, he was born in the tower, but Zahard wasn't king then, so it would seem very weird for the unable to be killed rule would back apply to him. The best argument that he can't is that if he could, why hasn't he, and that can be easily explained by the fact that Zahard is more powerful than him. Now, there is no guarantee that Baam becomes more powerful than Zahard, but even if he does not, it is not a total loss for FUG because if they collect enough irregulars, they will eventually be able to overwhelm Zahard, even if none of them are as powerful as him individually.
    Then, FUG would gamble on Baam too much. How do they know he's going to become powerful enough to take on (even with whole FUG) on Zahard, his princesses, RED and whatever army he has, plus 10 families? As SIU said: Baam's talent is exceptional, but not unparalleled. Simply being an irregular doesn't mean you're incomparably stronger than regulars, only being an Exis does... but that's going way too far.
    And irregulars aren't pokemons, you don't collect them and then have them fight for you. Aside from Z&T10FH, there was no irregular between Urek and Baam, and that's one hell of a long time. Aside from any irregulars actually appearing, FUG would need those who can be convinced (read: forced ) to cooperate, and are weak enough at the beginning for that to actually be possible. That's too slow even for immortals, and I'm sure that's not in the plot!
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