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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Phantron that was a lot of nonsense.
Not having 5balls doesn't make you weak. or makes you not worth mentioning.
Akutsu even with 5 ball didn't look like he would really out play Atobe who doesn't have 5ball.
LOL why forget AK?
Niou and Yukimura would have beaten Akutsu at 5ball without question as well.
I can understand the 10ball thing clearly but you have to see past that 5ball hype. Otherwise Konomi wouldn't have pushed them all to do 10ball, and more importantly, Yukimura wouldn't have been the only MSer chosen while the 5ballers were there.
Secondly Kaoz you forgot Ibu and Kamio who could hit 2 balls at a time back at Districts.
remember Ryoma walks through them and handles the two balls at once?
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I said they went on the mission together. So I think Konomi gave them some added improvement along with that.
This means in addition to their mission, Konomi gave each of them added improvement.
Ryoma's added improvement being 5ball, and Tanishi and Kenya's being 4ball.
I mentioned this because Kenya and Tanishi are Low Tier characters unlike the other Xballers. And what they have in common was that mission.
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LOL Tanishi has 4ball and Kite hasn't been shown to have anything like that and there is absolutely no reason to assume he should.
Are we going to have comedians on here say Tanishi > Kite? Or Tanishi > Atobe, Fuji, Shiraishi?
10ball hype yes, but 5ball hype no. No need to hype up 5ball, it can't have been that good.
The top tier characters pretty much had nothing to say regarding the techniques of the first 3 matches, even for people on their own team (Mach Serve was just a whatever move to the top tier guys) and yet Duke was impressed a middle schooler can easily return the 5-ball. In particular the Atobe & Niou game features probably the strongest set of moves we've seen so far in a game of POT. Atobe Kingdom, Tezuka Phantom, ZSS, Mach Serve, and Mental Pressure are all clearly top tier moves and yet nobody at the top tier bothered commenting on these moves. Yet Kintaro's 5-ball was immediately commented by Duke, who is surprised that a middle schooler can do this easily. He also saw a game earlier that features guy with ZSS, x-ray vision, synchronizing with yourself, and other ridiculous superpowers and he's still surprised that a middle schooler can easily return the 5-ball. This implies even seeing all these crazy techs he still doesn't expect a middle schooler to 'easily return 5-ball', which pretty much means there is no equivalence relationship from other techniques to the X-ball tiers. If Atobe Kingdom and ZSS doesn't qualify you as 'easily return 5-ball' then I can't really think of any other technique that'd put you up there.
Similar to the power players never play anyone besides themselves you obviously won't see a X-baller play someone who doesn't know X-ball (unless it's a lopsided instant win). There are obviously other guys who could learn X-ball but right now there are only 4 of them who passes the minimum qualifying criteria, which is able to hit 5 real balls at the same time.
As I kinda said before, I think it's worth considering to somewhat split the ball techs into being able to rally with that many balls and being able to actually create them from a single ball. The former being stat dependent and the latter needing some added input, but more along the lines of techniques as we know them. For example, Irie might be unable to split the ball by himself (theoretically speaking of course, maybe he can), but he would still be able to return all the balls if Oni split them first.
Essentially, splitting the ball and rallying the balls are the same thing since the returner needs to "split" the ball (hit the ball X-times fast) to sustain the clone illusion.
If using X real balls is the same as splitting one ball to X balls, why even get X balls to practice in the first place? The 10-ball is clearly one of those 'watch out this tech can kill you' deal and it really wouldn't make sense to practice with that kind of power. Even in POT they don't usually practice with techs that can kill you. For example you don't see people practice with Hado 108s. It'd be reasonable to assume using X real balls is a 'safe' version of honing for X-ball techs without risking significant injury.
If you practice with a method that's not even POT-rule legal, there's only two possible reasons:
1. It's harder than real technique (similar to the wearing heavy weights) to improve your skill.
2. It's easier than the real technique because some techs are too dangerous to use in practice.
In the case of #1 then the 10-ball practice should've created effects that makes setting the net on fire look tame, except that never happened. Tokugawa and Ryoma rallied for hours with 10 balls, compared to Kintaro showing signs of getting tired and hitting his limit after a few rallies with Oni. Unless Tokugawa and especially Ryoma are supposed to be an order of magnitude better than Kintaro or Oni, #1 is simply impossible. There would be no point to use X real balls if it only duplicates the same effect because Tokugawa presumably can split the ball into 10 just fine. So it has to be weaker than the real thing.
Phantron, one key issue is that the ball wasn't on fire until it scraped across the cord and began to singe the net.
Remove the whole "net on fire" thing from your mind until we solve the Mystery of the burning net.
There isn't nearly enough evidence to suggest Tooyama set the net on fire on purpose and burned down the whole court. Or that he can set net's on fire at will like how he did.
Even for Kintaro who despite being amongst the biggest retards in the series, that would be beyond retarded to burn the net that you need for your own match on purpose.
Secondly, Oni probably would have hit them all back but he didn't expect the last ball to pick cause so much friction when pass across the cord of the net that it would pick up flames.
Lastly Ryoma was hitting 10 casually when Kintaro was just on 8 lol. Tokugawa wasn't impressed and we still haven't seen how Oni will react to Tooyama hitting 10 at once. Stop underrating other characters just for Tooyama.
Although you've raised a good point on how different practising with 10 real balls is to practising with 10 ?Illusion? balls.
There's quite a bit of history of people not going all out in practice. Tezuka didn't even use Tezuka Zone in his practice matches against other Seigaku players. When you consider that playing tennis is now a death-defying event it does make a lot of sense you'd come up with 'safe' versions of techs that'd normally burn buildings down so you can actually practice.
Stop with the net on fire shot.
We don't know if Oni was necessarily "unable" to return it.
Byoudouin obviously would have.
chances are, the Top10 see nothing wrong with a net burning accidentally, whilst the rest of the camp were stunned.
I don't think 10ball absolutely means destroy equipment and I think that it's stupid to think that.
Don't think that to return 10ball by Oni the net must be set on fire. That's really dumb.
Byoudouin would have returned 10 cleanly and wouldn't have to accidentally hit a Cord ball.
That just confirms that Oni is probably still above Tooyama. That 10th ball he returned was a Cord Ball, it touched the cord.
It means it was inches away of hitting the net and becoming a fault.
Ryoma and Tokugawa don't use any kind of over whelming power in their play styles. Whilst Oni and Tooyama have beast levels of power incorporated in their tennis.
That is why there was destruction. Obviously Tokugawa isn't going to be destroying equipment and neither is Ryoma as neither of them have been portrayed as players with overwhelming power.
Your argument is a bit silly.
I don't know how relevant this is but...
Pre Nationals Fuji hit back X-Balls before it became mainstream