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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Now, Obito says Naruto is like him, but when he was younger. Perhaps because his youth days weren't shown in detail, I cannot quite agree with Naruto resembling Obito. To me, Obito was just after protecting the ones that are close to him. He wasn't as strong-minded as Yahiko or Nagato, who were after bigger changes to the world.
but Naruto and Nagato had the same master so they are more alike then anyone else really (they would have the same ideals )
I think you're misinterpreting two different scenes in the manga.Originally Posted by Brill
The first? http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/297/11
When Yamato deduces that Sakura loves Naruto. Telling her she loves him was indeed meant to acknowledge that her being supportive of him no matter how little she did was efficient. But how, in any way, does it invalidate her actual feelings or downplay them? Can you honestly say that she can't love him AND feel a sense of self loathing because she wasn't doing enough to help him? One would think that it tears her up inside that she couldn't help the one she was falling for, compounding the guilt and self loathing.
Which is the accurate way to describe this scene.
Second? http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/459/14 She wants to relieve the burden placed on Naruto. She's the one that's caused him the most pain.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/470/2 And while everything about giving up on Sasuke was a lie, everything said here is truth: she really does want him to stop searching for Sasuke because it was killing him and in turn, killing her.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/474/4 Even more confirmation of her reasons for lying to him. Sai confirms it.
Last edited by ninjabot; December 21, 2012 at 01:58 PM.
Then obito would regain his old self and his old dream, to become the first uchiha as a hokage.
In a way Naruto resemble the Naruto of the first serie, the one that wants to protect his friends, the one that want to became an Hokage, the one that was outclassed by the Genius of his team, the one that loves the girls in his team but that instead she love the genius (even if Rin treated Obito very well).
Nagato resemble the Naruto of the second series, the one that want to achieve peace, that follows Jiraiya ideals.
To play devil's advocate - what if Obito was successful, and wiped out the alliance and just about all other people in the world. Mission accomplished... now he can cast his jutsu on... himself. Because he wants to live in a false world within that jutsu. .
This war, the tailed beasts, the jyuubi... it's all overkill. Seems like Obito could have had everything he wanted if he'd just found a way to use an amplifier on Itachi's eyes and maybe scaled this whole plan waaaaaaaay back, to just himself. I get that there is a progression to it all but just using a bit of imagination, it seems that there was probably an easier way for Obito to "fall down the rabbit hole", if you know what I mean...
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For Obito, it doesn't really matter whether they live or not, since the ones that got the genjutsu casted upon would actually be dead. Well, technically, they wil be breathing, but in reality, they will have no free will whatsoever, so, it's like death.
Obito's desire is to turn the world into a huge puppet show..
Like Muppet Show
In this post I will write only about my thoughts about Neji’s death:
The scene where Neji takes the wooden spears instead of Hinata is really awesome.
I think it's clear from the discussion that took place between Neji and Naruto, that he did it mainly to save Naruto, the fact that Neji has also saved Hinata is bonus.
I believe that the phrase that said Naruto here http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/93233307/18 means that Naruto’s life does not belong only to him, but that it belongs even to the people who have given their lives for him (just like Naruto’s parents, Jiraiya, Nagato, Konan (even if Naruto does not know that she was killed by Obito), Itachi and now Neji himself) or even by the people that were/are ready to die for him, as Bee, Tsunade and Hinata.
Another thing is that I would have preferred is that the phrase of Neji about the
fact that Naruto saved him from his curse he would have say that to Naruto directly, not just as a thought.
However, the fact that the reason why he sacrificed himself was because Naruto had called him a genius is not a surprise, infact look here http://www.mangareader.net/93-202-17...apter-197.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-202-18...apter-197.html.
Another thing that I liked is the death of the bird in this chapter http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/93233307/20, because just like other said the bird symbolizez Neji, infact look here http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-19...apter-104.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-110-20...apter-105.html.
I really liked even that Neji last thought was for his father, that he said that now he is really able to understand what is father felt when he decided to die in his own free will, and meanwhile he said it his cursed seal slowly vanished.
Beside that at least to me Neji’s death really resemble Ace’s death in One Piece.
Infact Neji resemble Ace while Naruto resemble Rufy.
That pose of Ace and Rufy, and that of Neji and Naruto are really similar, even the fact that both Naruto and Rufy ask for medical help and in both cases the victims says that it’s too late in the same, the only difference is that Naruto does not collapse psychologically like Rufy).
Regarding the death of Neji I can say that for Naruto will have a big effect, because Neji is not only the same generation of Naruto, but he has been the first character that Naruto has saved.
As for us, the readers, unfortunately it will not a big impact, or at least not like Neji would deserve.
And this is only Kishimoto fault, infact in the first part Neji was a great character, but unfortunately in this second series Kishi has treated him very badly, he was never showed until the outbreak of war, and even in this war he has never had the space for shine (except for this chapter), his character has become a joke, just think of this scene http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/540/4.
Infact the fight between Neji’s group and the white Zetzu were almost all offpanel, their clashes occupied yes and no 5 pages.
Neji has not even had a dialogue with his father, infact more than a speech between Neji father and Hiashi I would have preferred a dialogue with between Neji and his father (or at least between Hiashi, Neji and his father), it would have been more interesting, maybe Neji would tell of his hatred for the clan, and then of how Naruto saved him, but unfortunately this did not happen.
In fact I'm not angry because of the choice of Neji, infact he was infact the most expendable character, with his death a circle was ended, but I am angry for how Neji has been treated in the second part, because this decrease the value of his death (although I really liked this chapter, this is infact in the top 10 in my list of best chapter).
Wow, Neji dies yet Tenten lives. Kishi really hated the Hyuugas didn't he?
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This is like blaming Kakashi for Sasuke's defection, because he just didn't stop watching him after giving him that lecture. Minato had FTG, but he didn't have telepathy as far as I know lol
Also, he watched Kakashi pierce Rin personally, and didn't take his other eye back, or kill Kakashi or anything like that (even though that sharingan specifically became Tobi's weakness over time, which he must have known, seeing as he had been spying on Kakashi forever). Instead, he aims a kunai at and plants explosive tags underneath a baby. "I don't care" is bullshit. He just cares about things like people with ADHD pay attention to things.
Last edited by badluckartist; December 21, 2012 at 06:39 PM.
Reading through the chapters for fun now, I came across "the one who understands everything".
It looks like now-famous Sasuke line was a simple plagiarism.
Orochimaru was the first one to use it
danzo was working with obito/madara and probably was obito's informat for the night of the kyuubi incident...
this bastard's hands have been dirty since day one...u guys that know me...know that i believe itz gonna come out that danzo had something to do with the uzumaki massacre...
madara may have had something to do with this one...hence danzo's willingness to work with obito(presumed madara)against the uchiha....
only speculation...but it would fit how a mega power like the uzumaki clan could just get wiped off the map(basically)...
if u want to speculate on this and not get off topic here...there's a thread i made about this months ago...
everyone and anyone...let me hear what u think
Last edited by gnut; December 21, 2012 at 08:46 PM.