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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Location: Valley of the End
Knowledge: Full for everyone
Naruto's Bijuu Mode has 7 minutes limit
Bijuus can't give chakra to anyone bar their Jinchuuriki
The Six Paths aren't Edo Tenseis, but they can go Full Bijuu and still can be disabled by removing the stick in their chests.
Obito and Madara have Izanagi, but not Izanami
Basically a retelling of the fight between Madara and Hashirama, only with the adding of Obito ( and 6 bijuus ) and Naruto.
Madara obviously isn't an Edo
EMS Madara vs Hashirama
Really what can one say, Madara lost. Don't know how or by what but he lost.... Moving on.
Obito and jins vs Naruto
Well it seems like Obito was way more the Naruto could handle before Madara showed up. Then Obito became the one that was out classed. My reasoning for this is that Obito became the henchman/goon/sidekick whatever you want to call it that allowed plot to play apart...
Before, killer bee saved Naruto several times against the jins, and kakashi and Gai saved Naruto several times against Obito before Madara's arrival. So before Obito was dumbed up, this battle definitely goes to Obito..
Obito vs Hashirama
Hashirama beat the legendary Madara so he beats Obito.
The quickest fight would be Naruto vs Obito, considering also both of them have time limits that the other will try to exploit.
And considering both of them are kinda dumb, they are bound to make errors
Aside from plot holes i don't think Tobi is dumb. He is a master manipulator. Then again i don't think Naruto is dumb when the plot does not need a comic relief. Good examples are him vs Pein and vs Old Raikage.
The Uchiha would win, thanks to Izanagi and Six Paths of Pain.
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Keep in mind Hashirama and Madara are near equals, add to this a keen mind and powerful abilities, and the fight will last very long.
In fights, Obito is dumb, like really dumb.
Naruto was dumbed down as well those last fights
But Izanagi means the enemies won't see Madara or Tobi actually being alive and may drop their guard. Unless Naruto stays in either mode. I don't think hashirama can sense though, so he'd be in deep doo-doo if Madara cuts his head off or uses Amaterasu.
I don't know how equals they are in this fight. Keep in mind that last fight they had Madara also had the Kyuubi and Hashirama won that to. Even if Hashirama had that dragon i am sure Kurama added to that fight. But as i said Naruto can fight Obito and help Hashirama at the same time considering he can help all over the battlefield fighting Kage level opponents.
Obito is not really dumb, its more like the plot and EMO mode... He is smart. Seriously he was leading Aka from the shadows, he also is a master manipulator. Even 2 fodder guys he showed tactics (Danzo's bodyguards). Obito is defenetly not dumb... Its just Kishi making him forget abilities so he can have a story.
Yeah Naruto goes dumb mode when someone is around him that has the need to show how smart he is, examples Kakashi and Itachi. Its like Bats and Superman. Sometimes the writers make him so dumb just so Bats looks cool as Bats only has intelect.
I hate the fact that Tobi+Obito and i feel like this removes a LOT from the caracter but stating he is dumb does not sit right with me.
Oh and just alow Kurama to be in charge... There, Naruto's IQ just got a huge boost :P
Also NO evidence that Madara has Amaterasu so let's leave that out. No idea what MS jutsus he has and why he is not showing them but look at Obito, MS and he defenetly does not have Amaterasu. How about Shisui Uchiha? Aparently both of his eyes had Kotoamatsukami.
Heh Madara could get smoked from 1 "Flash"dama... Perfect Susano takes a little time to put up and cocentrate its chakra... If Naruto shoots before Madara notices it... Heh i don't even know if Perfect Susano can take it. If it does then shoot another 1...Dead Madara. Madara with no rinnegan or ET mode get's anihilated by Naruto. He most defenetly has no feats from that huge ass Susano depicting it can take 1-2, hell 3 Bijudamas that equals one put up by 5 bijus...Just look at this size:
Its half of Konoha in size...
Nobody in this manga can take Naruto if they don't have stuff like intangibility or rinnegan shield. The 7 minutes OP gives Naruto is more then enough to smoke Madara with a stream of bijudama or Flashdama.
Last edited by xXan; December 15, 2012 at 02:06 AM.
There is no doubt Hashirama vs Madara will last like forever compared to other fights. And I can't see Madara trying to win through playing possum. If you admire someone as much as your words say you do, you don't cheat.
Hashirama won the initial battle by slightest of the margins, so, it will probably the same again. Of course, it's like both of them knocked out. Thrilla in Manila.
Obito and co. were already fighting a team consisting of Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Gai and held his ground, if not gained the upper hand. Obito would probably do enough to win against Naruto alone.
Hashirama vs Obito and Six Paths, I don't know. Especially with Hashirama drained in terms of energy.
Madara can tell the difference between the real body and fake clones, somehow. And with Izanagi, they'll think the enemy is dead and drop their guard. Hashirama wouldn't have the defense that Naruto does to tank a beheading. I'd say Madara's Perfect Susano'o could take a bijuu dama. Hell, Madara can avoid it to run to Hashirama, who'd get destroyed by the attack as well if he doesn't defend himself. Or Tobi can absorb the bijuu dama chakra.
Last edited by marshall313; December 15, 2012 at 02:18 AM.
See? He did NOT know.
Tobi did not show the ability to use that chakra shield. Now even Shika's father said anything about jutsu and how they don't work on Tobi, only on Madara. Another problem is absorbing it in time. Nagato was hit by Bee (the charge) before he absorbed it.
And Izanagi delay death shortly, you see both Danzou and Obito popping up right after being killed.
He doesn't need to, he can use the chakra shield. Shikaku didn't mention it likely because as Kakashi said, Tobi isn't using Rinnegan due to the enemies knowing and having counters for it, as they did fight Rinnegan before. So far, we have seen all three Rinnegan users use at least one Rinnegan jutsu that Nagato used - whether it's six paths or chakra shield. There is no confirmation that Tobi can't use any of the Rinnegan jutsu, since if he can use six paths, then he can use anything.
Even Nagato was able to use Rinnegan quite extensively despite not being its original owner. At least with Mangekyo, we have Sasuke and Itachi using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, but Obito getting two versions of Kamui, so you can argue that MS gives different power to different Uchiha family or branch. Does not work with Rinnegan.