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Thread: EMS Madara & Obito /w Six Paths vs Hashirama & Naruto

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    Re: EMS Madara & Obito /w Six Paths vs Hashirama & Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfNight View Post
    Your first link, I assume he was lying as the Aka was in action long before he met them. And the second link doesn't state he is the leader.
    Now, look here : He says he can catch the Kyuubi whenever HE wants.

    Furthermore, Konan stated he never took orders from Tobi. And here he says OUR goals.

    And in the recent chapter, you saw for yourself that he never bossed him around but simply kept asking him everyday to lend him his power. Not to mention Zetsu said "we need to BEFRIEND him" Not "We need to make him serve us".
    And there is more, Nagato didn't give a flying eff about about Tobi's plans that you speak of. He had his own plan and Tobi most likely knew that but couldn't do anything about it. He simply influenced Nagato, he was never a superior to him. To further show the he was serving under Pain (or the Akatsuki for that matter), was him obediently wearing the organization uniform, and didn't dare to take it off until Nagato died.

    And finally, It was stated by Kishimoto in the Naruto Chronicle Mini Book character relationship chart, that Tobi was simply a collaborator with Nagato NOT a leader of the Akatsuki. This proof alone is enough, as it's a direct statement from the author. But since you don't like this kind of proof I decided to add others.
    Wow. You got an amazing imagination.

    Obito didn't just influence nagato, he also used him for his plan.

    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/539/5

    Nagato and itachi knew they're being used by obito. So does it obvious that obito had a power or superiority to both of them? He influence, manipulate and used them to his plan, so that makes obito as the leader right?
    No matter how POWERFUL/STRONG you are. If you cannot CATCH your Enemy, all your POWER/STRENGTH is no more useful then a squirt gun. And if you cannot possibly TRACK/REACT to your enemies attacks to defend yourself, then how can you possibly stop him from DEFEATING you at will?

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    Re: EMS Madara & Obito /w Six Paths vs Hashirama & Naruto

    So that's the best you could come up with ? After all those proofs I gave and the author's direct statement, you bring me this ? Obito simply influenced him, and he knows that.

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    Nagato and itachi knew they're being used by obito. So does it obvious that obito had a power or superiority to both of them? He influence, manipulate and used them to his plan, so that makes obito as the leader right?
    And you say I have an amazing imagination ? He admitted that Itachi could kill him and admitted he was a thorn in his plan, and you say he's stronger ? Itachi is stronger than Obito. Fact and done.

    He led them ? You think a stronger person will come at your door everyday begging you to join him ?
    Amazing leadership quality. Even Konan who is much weaker than those two almost killed him. And he's struggling against Kakashi when those two made 2 minute work out of him. Not to mention that again, Nagato had his own plans, he could care less about the IT plan. Nagato followed Yahiko's believe, Obito was nothing. But I don't even need all that, why ? Because the author himself said he is the leader, so spare me your opinions on this.

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    Re: EMS Madara & Obito /w Six Paths vs Hashirama & Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfNight View Post
    So that's the best you could come up with ? After all those proofs I gave and the author's direct statement, you bring me this ? Obito simply influenced him, and he knows that.



    And you say I have an amazing imagination ? He admitted that Itachi could kill him and admitted he was a thorn in his plan, and you say he's stronger ? Itachi is stronger than Obito. Fact and done.

    He led them ? You think a stronger person will come at your door everyday begging you to join him ?
    Amazing leadership quality. Even Konan who is much weaker than those two almost killed him. And he's struggling against Kakashi when those two made 2 minute work out of him. Not to mention that again, Nagato had his own plans, he could care less about the IT plan. Nagato followed Yahiko's believe, Obito was nothing. But I don't even need all that, why ? Because the author himself said he is the leader, so spare me your opinions on this.
    So? Madara's plan is very simple. Let nagato revive him with the rinnegan's power. That's exactly the reason why obito approached nagato, to win his trust and manipulate him. By showing and teaching nagato how to use his rinnegan's power and the gedo. Nagato had his own plan, but he himself doesn't know anything on obito's true plan.

    Yeah, nagato is the leader. But itachi himself stated that t'was madara/obito who control the akatsuki in shadow. And based from your scan, when obito told pain to capture the kyubi and he even said that pain should tell the others to capture the remaining bijuus, that alone is a fact that obito isn't a collaborator with nagato, he's the true boss and the real leader.

    And obito admitted that itachi's amaterasu trap through sasuke could almost kill him. Obito was talking to that trap alone and not to itachi's caliber. And obito just said that itachi's trap is nothing but a little protection to sasuke.

    And what did itachi said to sasuke? Sasuke, surpass obito.
    And what did itachi said to naruto? Rely on your friends or else you'll be like him, (obito/madara) a very powerful and yet a failure.

    The fact is, itachi can't do shit to obito. Why? Because obito is more knowledgeable of the uchiha's story, uchiha's jutsus and uchiha's forbidden jutsus. That's exactly the reason why the itachi, the so called genius of the uchiha clan was being trolled by obito. And just think about it, why would itachi used some sealing trap to sasuke to protect him from obito if itachi has the tools to defeat that man? If itachi is more stronger than obito, why would he never kill him to protect sasuke and the konoha before dying? The answer is, he can't. Itachi can't kill obito. That's exactly why itachi planted an amaterasu trap to kill obito as his last ditch effort to kill him.

    And the problem with your proof is, that fanbook/data book is baseless when kishi himself shown a proof directly to his manga. Just look at the info on obito, the fanbook/data book or whatever it is stated that obito is madara. But from what the manga has shown, that fact/proof from data book/fanbook/mini book are entirely wrong and unaccurate. The thing is, the info on the data book/mini book/fanbook or whatever it is can be use as a direct proof if it never contradicted the info on the manga himself.

    And by the way, when was kishi make that statement? When was kishi said that obito is a collaborator with nagato? Is it before or after the destruction of konoha? Is it before obito give his order to pain to capture the kyubi? Or after?
    No matter how POWERFUL/STRONG you are. If you cannot CATCH your Enemy, all your POWER/STRENGTH is no more useful then a squirt gun. And if you cannot possibly TRACK/REACT to your enemies attacks to defend yourself, then how can you possibly stop him from DEFEATING you at will?

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    Re: EMS Madara & Obito /w Six Paths vs Hashirama & Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    So? Madara's plan is very simple. Let nagato revive him with the rinnegan's power. That's exactly the reason why obito approached nagato, to win his trust and manipulate him. By showing and teaching nagato how to use his rinnegan's power and the gedo. Nagato had his own plan, but he himself doesn't know anything on obito's true plan.
    And he never obeyed his plan, so ? He was not led by him. Who said Obito taught him anything ? He doesn't need to know Obito's plan, because he doesn't care.

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    Yeah, nagato is the leader. But itachi himself stated that t'was madara/obito who control the akatsuki in shadow. And based from your scan, when obito told pain to capture the kyubi and he even said that pain should tell the others to capture the remaining bijuus, that alone is a fact that obito isn't a collaborator with nagato, he's the true boss and the real leader.
    When did Itachi say that ? And he himself acknowledged that Nagato knows more about the Akatsuki. He is not the true boss, get over yourself. The author himself stated otherwise, how could you argue with that ? I'm about done with you. Kishimoto said he is the leader, it's over. Bye bye.

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    And obito admitted that itachi's amaterasu trap through sasuke could almost kill him. Obito was talking to that trap alone and not to itachi's caliber. And obito just said that itachi's trap is nothing but a little protection to sasuke.
    That's you trying to argue. He meant Itachi could kill him, and if the trap is nothing but a little protection, why would he say it could kill him ? You're contradicting yourself. And you're telling me that one Itachi Jutsu could kill him, but not Itachi as a whole ? Not to mention there is another place where he stated Itachi was a thorn in his way. Get over it. Itachi > Obito, fact.


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    And the problem with your proof is, that fanbook/data book is baseless when kishi himself shown a proof directly to his manga. Just look at the info on obito, the fanbook/data book or whatever it is stated that obito is madara. But from what the manga has shown, that fact/proof from data book/fanbook/mini book are entirely wrong and unaccurate. The thing is, the info on the data book/mini book/fanbook or whatever it is can be use as a direct proof if it never contradicted the info on the manga himself.

    And by the way, when was kishi make that statement? When was kishi said that obito is a collaborator with nagato? Is it before or after the destruction of konoha? Is it before obito give his order to pain to capture the kyubi? Or after?
    First off, it was after\during the Kage summit arc.

    This is not the databook or fanbook. This is a relationship chart, several mangas have books like these, to explain the relation between some characters. It was never contradicted in the manga but in fact supported. You're not allowed to argue against that, this proof is absolute. All you have is your opinion against several statements\proofs from the manga and the author directly.

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