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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Quote Originally Posted by Invader
    Outside the words of the most deceptive, manipulative character in the manga you mean. What character in Naruto has lied more, manipulated more, and caused more chaos than Obito?
    Itachi, easily.

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    No one. And we're supposed to trust him on this? No dice.
    UGH!! Whatever. I bet anything/everything that you're wrong. Like when you said Itachi talking to Sasuke after Kabuto's defeat would have no effect on him and it ended up postponing his vengeance journey and making him question his purpose. Simply choosing the most condemning stance when it comes to anything Uchiha hasn't worked yet. There's more to it than you're willing to admit.

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    Re: NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS | Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomerwedgies View Post
    And I always liked Danzou. I thought he was a great character. Complex. Between him and Orochimaru, you could probably get all the dirt there was to know about Konoha, everybody living in Konoha, their secret conspiracies, their pen pals, their dog groomers, their dog groomers' conspiracies, and/or everybody everywhere else who ever did anything ever. I'm glad at least one of them is back. Now maybe we gonna find stuff out. Maybe.
    Danzou was one of the most wasted characters in the manga, next to Tobi. Danzou could've been the ultimate line-walker between anti-hero and straight up villain, all under the pretense of elder-aged wisdom and conflicts. Instead he gets offed so that he could be retroactively used as a scape goat for whenever Kishi needs there to be somebody from the Leaf doing something unscrupulous in the past. Danzou didn't need to be involved with Hanzou or Orochimaru for any of their respective stories to be relevant. It's like he was just there to staple together some loose plot patches.

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    Re: NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS | Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    Danzou was one of the most wasted characters in the manga, next to Tobi. Danzou could've been the ultimate line-walker between anti-hero and straight up villain, all under the pretense of elder-aged wisdom and conflicts. Instead he gets offed so that he could be retroactively used as a scape goat for whenever Kishi needs there to be somebody from the Leaf doing something unscrupulous in the past. Danzou didn't need to be involved with Hanzou or Orochimaru for any of their respective stories to be relevant. It's like he was just there to staple together some loose plot patches.
    He was involved so that we could learn the "truth". I mean, "Oh look! There are bad guys in Konoha. Uchiha were originally as cute as teddy bears. It's all Konoha's mistake" was all left to be imposed on our minds.

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    Re: NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS | Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Everybody knew Kushina was a jinchuuriki. That's why her birth operation was kept as top secret. If there were still people unaware of this, those weren't the elders. The birth must have taken place in the outside skirts of Konoha, so, the deduction should be like someone drove the Kyuubi towards the village purposefully.
    And actually, it was an Uchiha involved in all that, so, they were right in isolating them.
    No. They're not. Only the elders knew about those stuff. Even jiraiya, minato's master doesn't know anything. Well, it's a precautions on why kushina was giving birth outside the village. It's a safe method just in case the kyubi would break his seal.

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    Re: NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS | Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    No. They're not. Only the elders knew about those stuff. Even jiraiya, minato's master doesn't know anything. Well, it's a precautions on why kushina was giving birth outside the village. It's a safe method just in case the kyubi would break his seal.
    Ah, in which chapter was this mentioned again? Jiraiya not knowing the Jinchuuriki's identity makes little sense in a way. So, only the elders knew Kushina was the Jinchuuriki and like nearly the whole village knew Naruto also was?

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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Madara and Zetsu knew the special lineage of Obito that would unlock a special Mangekyou ability under the most perfectly constructed emotional turmoil. They engineered the events of Kakashi Gaiden so that Obito would be drawn hilariously-conveniently close to Madara's hideout before being defeated by a Stone nin, who would almost certainly bury him with a powerful doton. This makes him easy pickings for Zetsu, and a crippled child makes for an easy prisoner to influence.

    Obito's wimperings in his sleep about Rin and Kakashi give Zetsu all the information he needs to start his next staged event in Obito's life. In the Mist, some fishy mooks are used by Zetsu to kidnap and rig Rin's body in such a way as to cause some great cataclysm if she continues to live. Those white Zetsu alert the spiral Zetsu that it's time for the play to be staged, so they alert Obito and he's unleashed simultaneously as Kakashi is allowed to rescue Rin, only in time to realize he has to kill her.

    ZETSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    $20 says Obito is like an uncle to Shisui or something. Still wonder just what they did to Rin, though. Must've been srs bzns

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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    Madara and Zetsu knew the special lineage of Obito that would unlock a special Mangekyou ability under the most perfectly constructed emotional turmoil. They engineered the events of Kakashi Gaiden so that Obito would be drawn hilariously-conveniently close to Madara's hideout before being defeated by a Stone nin, who would almost certainly bury him with a powerful doton. This makes him easy pickings for Zetsu, and a crippled child makes for an easy prisoner to influence.

    Obito's wimperings in his sleep about Rin and Kakashi give Zetsu all the information he needs to start his next staged event in Obito's life. In the Mist, some fishy mooks are used by Zetsu to kidnap and rig Rin's body in such a way as to cause some great cataclysm if she continues to live. Those white Zetsu alert the spiral Zetsu that it's time for the play to be staged, so they alert Obito and he's unleashed simultaneously as Kakashi is allowed to rescue Rin, only in time to realize he has to kill her.

    ZETSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    $20 says Obito is like an uncle to Shisui or something. Still wonder just what they did to Rin, though. Must've been srs bzns
    For all we know, since Zetsu can transform into practically anything, maybe all Obito saw was Zetsu killing.. another Zetsu
    If Obito supposedly died close to Madara's hideout, Zetsu might have sneaked around to copy Kakashi and Rin's chakra to stage this scenario.
    As for why Rin died.. Well, in a war, anyone could die. Perhaps Rin died well after Obito thought she was dead. Kakashi is silent when asked about Rin, not because she pierced through her heart, but because he couldn't protect Rin as he promised.

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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Quote Originally Posted by EMS View Post
    What really got my attention is without kurama power in this current war, naruto and allies will be dead... Of course we got hachibi also..
    Kurama savings naruto..
    Kurama saving kakashi (giving him chakra)..
    KURAMA LEADING THE COUNTERATTACK..
    No, they're not. Without kurama, naruto would rely on his sage mode, thus, he'll definitely summon ma and pa together with bunta/ken/hiro.

    Now, maybe those elders knows how to use jiraiya's swamp. So they can use that to restrain the juubi's movement. Then those frog will use their ultimate genjutsu, and I doubt madara and obito can escape that genjutsu, then if those elder frogs knows some sealing jutsu, then they gonna seal both madara and obito to the frogs belly.

    So, without kurama's power, naruto had still a chance to defeat madara and obito. And with ma and pa as a strategist/tactician, they can reduce the death of many ninjas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Ah, in which chapter was this mentioned again? Jiraiya not knowing the Jinchuuriki's identity makes little sense in a way. So, only the elders knew Kushina was the Jinchuuriki and like nearly the whole village knew Naruto also was?
    When jiraiya summon gerotora before he fought the paths of pain. Gerotora even stated that the kyubi's attacked is just an accident. They never talked about kushina as a jinchuuriki. Well, jiraiya had a premonition that theres someone who summon the kyubi to attacked the konoha.

    If jiraiya knew about kushina as a jinchuuriki, why the hell he never said anything? He should know that if the kyubi attacked the konoha, then it means kushina broke her seals when she was giving birth to naruto.

    What happened to naruto is entirely different from kushina and mito. The kyubi attacked the konoha, their hokage, the one they're waiting for to defeat the kyubi died. So how could hiruzen and the elders make that as a secret? Of course, they will tell the truth about minato sealing the kyubi to naruto.

    While kushina got the kyubi secretly from mito.

    And I think kushina even stated when she had the conversation with naruto that only the elders of konoha knew that she was the kyubi's jinchuuriki.

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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    No, they're not. Without kurama, naruto would rely on his sage mode, thus, he'll definitely summon ma and pa together with bunta/ken/hiro.

    Now, maybe those elders knows how to use jiraiya's swamp. So they can use that to restrain the juubi's movement. Then those frog will use their ultimate genjutsu, and I doubt madara and obito can escape that genjutsu, then if those elder frogs knows some sealing jutsu, then they gonna seal both madara and obito to the frogs belly.

    So, without kurama's power, naruto had still a chance to defeat madara and obito. And with ma and pa as a strategist/tactician, they can reduce the death of many ninjas.

    ain. .
    Without kurama, kakashi And might guy would had blow to pieces by the biuujus bijudama when obito was controlling them..
    With kurama, naruto couldn't stand a chance against the super bijudama of the tail beast format together and kakashi by now will be gone if kurama didn't give him? Chakra, these are a few extra, examples...
    Senin mode is great but no enough for what they went through with madara, obito and juubi's.
    living in the darkness and now with a new light, i will raise to a new beginning...

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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomerwedgies View Post
    Right? Why would Danzou even need to be Hokage? He was already Basement Hokage to Hiruzen's Sunshine Hokage. Did he secretly crave the limelight despite all evidence to the contrary? I guess maybe he thought no one else could take care of Konoha's dirty laundry.

    And I always liked Danzou. I thought he was a great character. Complex. Between him and Orochimaru, you could probably get all the dirt there was to know about Konoha, everybody living in Konoha, their secret conspiracies, their pen pals, their dog groomers, their dog groomers' conspiracies, and/or everybody everywhere else who ever did anything ever. I'm glad at least one of them is back. Now maybe we gonna find stuff out. Maybe.
    I think Danzou wanted to be hokage because of the power he'd get. The other kage would acknowledge him, and he'd be in control of the ANBU and Konoha's fightin force. He'd definitely have more power as a hokage than as the shadow of hokage.

    Danzou was the perfect grey character. He did horrible things, but they were all to protect Konoha. You couldn't say Danzou was evil because of what he did, but you could say he was immoral. You couldn't say he was a hero, but the things he did made him an antihero and a great opposite to Naruto's ideals.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Ah, in which chapter was this mentioned again? Jiraiya not knowing the Jinchuuriki's identity makes little sense in a way. So, only the elders knew Kushina was the Jinchuuriki and like nearly the whole village knew Naruto also was?
    Chapter after Naruto steals Kyuubi's chakra, I think. She says that only the elders knew of the plan for her to become jinchuuriki. I'm not sure if it was said it was a secret that she'd be jinchuuriki, but going by how Hiruzen's wife berated Kushina, it's probably not. It could be, though. Kushina probably felt alone because of what she symbolized, I guess. She was the only jinchuuriki, and was brought to Konoha for that reason. She probably questioned her existence or whatnot. Wouldn't necessarily mean people knew she was a jinchuuriki.

    And only the adults knew about Naruto being Kyuubi's jinchuuriki. It wasn't really a secret - Hiruzen had two shinobi with him and most likely didn't make it forbidden to share the info for a while that Naruto was the jinchuuriki - he might have shared it himself so Naruto could look like a hero as his dad wanted. It's not hard to find out Kyuubi was sealed in someone when the Kyuubi appears out of nowhere, gets teleported away by the hokage, and disappears. It'd have likely been sealed to get rid of its menace.

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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Quote Originally Posted by EMS View Post
    Without kurama, kakashi And might guy would had blow to pieces by the biuujus bijudama when obito was controlling them..
    With kurama, naruto couldn't stand a chance against the super bijudama of the tail beast format together and kakashi by now will be gone if kurama didn't give him? Chakra, these are a few extra, examples...
    Senin mode is great but no enough for what they went through with madara, obito and juubi's.
    It depends if ma and pa don't want to cast their ultimate genjutsu to put obito and his six paths to a jelly world.

    Now, if we imagine naruto who got ma and pa on his shoulders together with bee. And they'll going to fight obito and his path. Then

    Naruto on sage mode can sense any attacks. Meaning, he can escape with those blows from the jins path with ease.
    Ma and pa would try to absorb natural energy for their ultimate genjutsu.
    Naruto will use his frog katas to knock those jins path.
    and after naruto's sage mode would run out, ma and pa are already done with their gathering of senjutsu for their genjutsu.
    Then they'll gonna cast it to obito and his gang.
    The end. Obito is already in the jelly world.

    For me, naruto in sage mode, specially if ma and pa are attached to his shoulders, is more dangerous to his RM.
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    Re: Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER UNTIL Jan 15/16

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    I think Danzou wanted to be hokage because of the power he'd get. The other kage would acknowledge him, and he'd be in control of the ANBU and Konoha's fightin force. He'd definitely have more power as a hokage than as the shadow of hokage.

    Danzou was the perfect grey character. He did horrible things, but they were all to protect Konoha. You couldn't say Danzou was evil because of what he did, but you could say he was immoral. You couldn't say he was a hero, but the things he did made him an antihero and a great opposite to Naruto's ideals.
    I think he is evil. "Protecting Konoha" is only how he justified his actions, but his idea of protecting Konoha is to maintain his own power and control. As long as he has power and control, he is keeping Konoha safe regardless of how wicked and sinister his actions are. He has no conscience and everybody is expendable because he believes him maintaining power is in Konoha's best interest. It's just self justification. People are judged by their actions, not intents. Some of the most evil things are done by people with good intents.

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    Re: NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS | Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    Danzou was one of the most wasted characters in the manga, next to Tobi. Danzou could've been the ultimate line-walker between anti-hero and straight up villain, all under the pretense of elder-aged wisdom and conflicts. Instead he gets offed so that he could be retroactively used as a scape goat for whenever Kishi needs there to be somebody from the Leaf doing something unscrupulous in the past. Danzou didn't need to be involved with Hanzou or Orochimaru for any of their respective stories to be relevant. It's like he was just there to staple together some loose plot patches.
    I would have preferred the introduction of Danzo stick with the political angle. It would have been the prefect chance for Kishi to have Naruto being to develop and show leadership skills as he dealt with an opponent he couldn't simply beat up. It would have been the best place to actually show Naruto proving that his path is the best way, instead of just having it be by default. Then, when Sasuke eventually killed Danzo, it would have meant something villainous, instead of Sasuke just getting his way.

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    Re: NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS | Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    I think he is evil. "Protecting Konoha" is only how he justified his actions, but his idea of protecting Konoha is to maintain his own power and control. As long as he has power and control, he is keeping Konoha safe regardless of how wicked and sinister his actions are. He has no conscience and everybody is expendable because he believes him maintaining power is in Konoha's best interest. It's just self justification. People are judged by their actions, not intents. Some of the most evil things are done by people with good intents.
    No denying he's power hungry, but he's also motivated by protecting Konoha. I mean, Konoha did stay as one of the biggest powerhouses, even if they would have lost the third war if it weren't for Minato. Danzou's thinking is or was similar to Oonoki's - focus on own village at expense of others'.

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    Re: NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS | Naruto 615 Discussion / 616 Predictions | NO CHAPTER FOR TWO WEEKS

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    No denying he's power hungry, but he's also motivated by protecting Konoha. I mean, Konoha did stay as one of the biggest powerhouses, even if they would have lost the third war if it weren't for Minato. Danzou's thinking is or was similar to Oonoki's - focus on own village at expense of others'.
    Except Onoki didn't massacre his own villagers, conduct immoral and illegal experiments on humans, run highly inhumane spy organizations, etc. Again, his idea of protecting the village is his own justification. Most of the other villagers like Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Kakashi, etc. would all disagree and would have stopped him if he wasn't at such a high position of power. In terms of crimes against humanity, I'd put him higher than Orichimaru. There is a level of grey where people forgo their own morality for a greater good, and people like Danzou who is straight up evil with no conscience. If you consider him grey, then there are no blacks in Naruto.

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