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I agree. But I believe that Renji's Bankai won't be the same as we remember it. It was mentioned by Kubo that his Bankai changed and it might change futher due to this training, so it might be more powerful that it was before.
Also I believe that Shutara and Baldie will give some power-ups as well to Renji and Ichigo, so I believe Renji might have a chance to become stronger after this trip to Royal Dimension.
Well, even not being Reiatsu monster Mayuri seems to have stronger Reiatsu than Renji or Ikkaku. It's one of the reasons why he is a Captain. But after this trip to Royal Dimension I believe Renji will level level considerably in terms of Reiatsu and might surpass Mayuri in terms of it.
The thing about Mayuri and most of the low-tier Captians like Soi Fong, Komamura and Hitsugaya is that their basic abilities like Shunpo, Kidou, hand-to-hand combat and Zanjutsu are way higher than what the likes of Vice Captains have and as you've said experience counts as well, but if Renji gets his Bankai repaired and also developed due to this training and his Reiatsu boosted, then he might be able to fight on par with the likes of Mayuri and Komamura.
The thing is that it actually depends on Kubo what he wants from Renji. If he really wants to make a serious, but last development for him, then it might happen. If he just wants to show how stronger Ichigo will get via the same training compared to Renji and then Renji will be defeated in the first battle, then it would be his choise, but it would be really sad to see this.
Well, I can't actually understand how Mayuri and Shuutara can be connected, since she seemed to become Royal Guard before Hikifune, but at that time Mayuri was quite young. Maybe older than current Renji, but still quite young, so how could he know her as it seems that she became Royal Guard before Aizen joined Gotei...
P.S. I agree that we need another Turn Back the Pendulumn Arc. We have tons of things to learn. Especially about Isshin, Ryuken, Masaki and tons of other things. And also how Aizen is connected to Ichigo's burth as he stated during one of their last encounters before Isshin came.
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I agree with most of what you said, but I have to disagree with you on a few points.
1. Shutara and Baldie will likely give 'power-ups' to Byakuya and Rukia. After all, in fantasy literature the clergy often take on roles that have the ability to use 'magic', or that universe's equivalent, i.e. Kido. Adding on to that, Ichigo & Renji can only get momentously stronger by increasing their reiatsu, and bettering their sword techniques within the alotted timeslot, not learning a completely new art.
2. Mayuri is not a reiatsu monster, he is a captain, thus he has a greater amount of reiatsu than most common shinigami, that doesn't put him on the levels of Ichigo and Kenpachi.
3. You cannot tell the age of a shinigami by their looks alone. Rukia has been stated to be over 140 years old, and look at her.
Actually, when we saw his real face after battling Ishida, Mayuri looked very young, so, it's really tough to just go by looks.
And since Shutara realizes him and Mayuri is annoyed to be underestimated, it means he was a significant person back when Shutara was still in SS. Mayuri also knew Captain-Commander couldn't kill Juha Bach 1000 years ago. In all likelihood, he is at the age of a senior captain at least to know so much about all these things.
100 years ago he was in maggot's nest, locked up. After going out he still could handle Urahara being his superior, so I don't think he is as old as Shunsui or Ukitake.
Why do I get the feeling that this is going to take 5-7 chapters to cover and we will only learn 1-2 new things about Ichigo's Zanpakuto, and probably something we already had a hunch about.
Much older than Urahara? Unlikely, I'd say, thought without ruling it out.
When Mayuri was released from the Maggot's nest, he was instantly given 3rd seat of the 12th Division IIRC. Interestingly enough, Urahara was 3rd seat of some other division before being instated as Captain of the 12th (again, IIRC). So before using his special Bankai acquisition technique, Urahara was at the same level as Mayuri. It's certainly not proof that they were the same age, since we don't know how long Mayuri was in prison or how long Urahara was in 3rd Seat, but it at does kind of impliy they were at similar stages.
Well I hope we see Zangetsu and Zabimaru next chapter, I dont want to see Ichigo and Renji fight some random zankpatou spirits, and btw I dont understand how the hell does Ōetsu Nimaiya MAKE zankpatou, in that case everyone would need to get their zankpatou when it is created by him, and it was clearly implied that zankpatou is part of every shinigami soul, that is, its power is coming from shinigamis inner world, just like in Ichigos case it just appeared in his hand. I think that every shinigami has their powers inside them even without zankpatou, just like Aizen managed to cast some kind of illusion without zankpatou on Juha Bach that screwed with his time perception, so maybe zankpatou is just making their power more potent or just easier to use, and after Ōetsu Nimaiya created it, Soul King saw it useful and integrated it in every shinigami soul so the could use their power more easily, asuming Soul King can do such thing, then why he couldnt he is holding freking reality together as stated by Urahara. Sorry if I got carried of havent read manga in long time and these new Bleach chapters are suprisingly very good and full of new interesting revelations. And what do you guys think other two Royal guard created in SS, I think bald guy created kido, and Shutara woman maybe something like Senkaimon
But you got to take into consideration that there are *more ways to Rome*.
Throughout bleach you continuously see that Ichigo trains in a different way then others do. Like how he gained Bankai in under 3 days, which normally takes 100s of years. But Urahara devised a way to make it possible, as in another way to achieve it.
Also this guy has a lot of Zanpakuto. Not just 1. And he also preaches that they dont love their Zanpakuto enough so they break, this implies he loves all his...girls a lot.... lol.
But for a strong Shinigami of elite class i suspect its possible to have more then 1.
!. Well, we'll see. but anyways I believe Ichigo has to at least pass through every Royal Guard, so they will either give him some valueble info or some sort of power-up. So I think the last two will do the same.
2. I never stated Mayuri to be a Reiatsu monster. I actually believe that his level of Reiatsu is the lowest among current Captains. Still, even this ammount of Reiatsu seems to be considerably stronger compared to either Renji or Ikkaku. That was my only point.
3. Well, Rukia was 200 years old in the begining of the story. It just shows that 200 years old by Shinigami age is very young. The same Hitsugaya seems to have evel lesser age. Overall I agree that we can't tell Shinigami's age by looking at him, but Mayuri just doesn't strike as a person who was old enough to know Shutara as an active Shinigami in SS. When he met Urahara in Turn back the pendulumn he looked around current Gin's age at best and we know that Gin isn't that old.
Well, when we saw him back in SS after loosing to Ishida, he was quite older than he was, when he first met Urahara in Maggots Nest, so he ages and as I said it doesn't seem that he is old enough to know someone who seemed to become Royal Guard considerably before the events of Turn Back the Pendulumn. He didn't seem older than Aizen who didn't know anything about Royal Guard at that point, so I seriously doubt Mayuri could know her. Otherwise it seems to be a serious plothole.
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