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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Also isnt it so that ichigo has more then 1 entity inside him. Yes. So its not impossible to have more entities. This is all just facts not made up
Another thing is that Shunsui has 2 names for his zanpakuto. 花天狂骨 This again shows its 2 not 1. What do you need to at least see it as a solid theory?
WATER. can be three separate things at the same time. water, steam and ice. all of which are three different substances but still water at the same time. so lets say zangetsu is water, since he is the main source of ichigos powers. zangetsu is water, boiled becomes hichigo and frozen he becomes whatever quincy powers ichigo gets. all of which are different things but at the end of the day all spawn from one source, zangetsu aka water.
They all have to spawn from one origin which is zangetsu so when it comes down to principles they are all one in the same just different shapes or forms as i explained with my water analogy. you can have water, steam and ice all in the same room they may look and feel different but at the end of the day the are just different shapes of water, just like hichigo and zangetsu are one in the same, can be in the same place at the same time, act and think different but at the end of the day they are just bits and pieces of the true zangetsu.
This also applies to shinsui's swords, they release from the same command so this shows its the same power source or at least the same being. the fact that he has two swords just means its spirit split into two different halfs like a coin. a coin is one solid object but on one side we have heads and the other we have tails, both the same entity just different sides. its like when you flip a coin, one person calls heads and the other calls tails, they are both the same coin but different sides with different names set them apart so are they really different? no, they are merely two pieces that comprise one whole.
shinsuis swords have two different names because theres two of them, thats it. his spirit may be split into two beings but they are at the end of the day the same being. like twins, two beings born from the same egg, same dna and everything but two different minds at the end of the day though they are two sides of one being split down the middle not separate entities, no one in the manga has shown more than one spirit inside them.
like shinsuis swords, twin blades, two different names. would you call two different swords the same name? you gotta differentiate them somehow
Last edited by Kid Chameleone; January 06, 2013 at 06:46 PM.
you mean different states - e.g. liquid, solid, gas.
However, I am sorry, but I do not get your point (how this comparison works).
Nor do I follow how Shunsui's dual zanpactou ties to Ichigo's hollow/shinigami forms.
I also can not seem to grasp your explanation of Shunsui's zanpactou.
Do you mean that just because he uses two different names for his swords, doesn't mean that they are different? Or, do you mean that it would be strange for him to give a name to his pair of swords - rather than name them individually?
Also, can someone please point out to me where he actually does name his swords individually? I always remembered him naming them as a pair...
- Katen Kyōkotsu (花天狂骨; Flower Heaven, Crazy Bone) - Daisho[Katana & Wakazashi] - Flower Wind Rage and Flower God Roar, Heavenly Wind Rage and Heavenly Demon Sneer
- Sōgyo no Kotowari (双魚理, Truth of Pisces) - Katana - All Waves, Rise now and Become my Shield, Lightning, Strike now and Become my Blade
While Kyoraku's zanpakatou has two names, Jushiro's is named after the the zodiac sign of pisces, which in turn is most often depicted as two fish, bound by something, just as his shikai is. It's not hard to imagine that those two were strong enough to form a bond to two different zanpakatou spirits imo. Maybe Shunsui can only call summon both at the same time, because they are a set/pair from the very start, thus calling out one without the other may not work too.
Last edited by Schabrak; January 06, 2013 at 08:59 PM.
The 2 Spirits thing is interesting though!
However, if this was the case, does this mean that at some point Ukitake's zanpactou's were not connected? And, also, why do they blur into one sword when he seals his zanpactou? Could both spirits share the same body/sword in the unreleased state?
Since it stems from his own soul, it's likely just a representation of his faceted personality. Flower Heaven could be his usual self, laid back, while Crazy Bone comes out when he needs to go crazy, not caring for collateral damage/selfinflicted damage as seen in the Stark fight.
Joshirou's personality seems to go hand in hand with the definition of the zodiac Pisces, and as such is consistent with his zanpakatou too. It's one sword because someone born Pisces, is still one single person after all, not two, but can have those two different and opposing characters at times. Just that Ukitake prefers to be one way similar to Shunsui.
As for Ichigo i dont think he would wield anything other then Zangetsu, be it that he needs to love him ... lol
While I'm not really happy with the idea myself, Zabimaru apparently was shown as two entities(like in the filler) in one of the omakes. I'm sure his fighting speed is pretty slow because of it's length, even though it can turn at any angle, but something more compressed would surely not hurt him Imo. Don't know if reforming every single bone will be easier than transform it into something entirely else.
Not sure if anyone asked this and I'm a bit too lazy to look back previous posts...
Will there be a new chapter this week? If not, when is the next chapter out?
I'm inclined to think the baboon-woman/snake-boy Zabimaru shown in the filler arc is non-canon. Although I don't know why they'd even bother giving it a new design for that arc to begin with. But the only form we've seen in the manga is this one:
and there's really no reason for Kubo to have changed it. Hopefully we'll get confirmation in the next chapter or so. I for one hope Kubo sticks with the above design though, because personally I'm not fond of the other one. Renji's sword having two spirits doesn't even make sense, since it's a singular weapon, unlike Shunsui and Ukitake's Zans.
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if renji gets a new weapon type i hope its a dual scythe or perhaps ichigo suits it more i dunno but someone needs a dual scythe they pwn and look cool