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Thread: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions ~The chap will be out this week~

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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    Quote Originally Posted by matzik1212 View Post
    Hi welcome . I'm glad seeing more and more new members interested in OP

    It would be nice to see a fight between the SH's and Baby 5 , Buffalo . I bet Luffy may even take a liking to Baby 5 lol especially when he sees her personality Sanji is in danger as well of falling in love again but don't you think this situation would be really funny if for example Baby 5 falls for Zoro and Sanji falls for her

    Lol that would be the most funny thing ever
    thank you. "baby 5 and sanji" is gonna be so funny and luffy shall definitely think that she's so awesome!!
    i think zorro himself can take on DD,so the chances of a full blown fight between both the fronts are pretty low.i wonder what oda would do.fingers crossed.

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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    dd and his crew probably all have eternal log pose for ph.

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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    I'd prefer to avoid discussing about this (actually,I love this kind of debate,but here they say we should not discuss about strength),yet,I will just answer your question: you are right,mihawk seems to be one of the strongest pirates,can we guarantee he really is weaker than an emperor? well,I think he is. My proves are the following: in vol.45, garp states that the emperors are the 4 strongest pirates,and that to balance them the WG needs both the Marine and the 7 warlords, this alone is good enough to be a proof. if it weren't enough,my statement comes also from the war,in which mihawk didn't show anything relevant (he owned mr.1,but he was stopped by that arrogant crocodile,who challenged him not to be stomped like a bug),in fact he didn't defeat noone out of the strong ones (WB defeated akainu,aokiji and a lot of other strong ones,jinbe defeated a powered moria ecc.).

    said this, I repeat my previous foresight: doflamingo will be defeated before big mam. the emperors are still wrapped in mysteries,we don't know them,and not even the world seems to know them enough (the marines and even the admirals weren't sure of marco's powers,and someone didn't even know about wb's one), and for what concerns mama,caesar said that he had heard about her bestial army,as if they didn't know much about their own "customers". joker is gonna fall down,in fact he is the one coming towards them,and the one challenged by law. big mam? she should be much further in the NW.
    Actually, Mihawk is one of the VERY FEW people to remain COMPLETELY UNSCATHED during the War at Marineford. The only character achieving the same feat as him is Hancock. No other character managed to do the same. Of course we can say for sure that non of them really tried that hard during the war, and that might have somewhat helped keeping them safe (well, Hancock actually exposed herself to danger a lot, but she never directly went for the big shots), but still it shows how strong they all are. Personally, I believe Mihawk is at least on par with Shanks, as it was already stated in the manga by Oda himself. It wouild be silly to forget such an important "detail", don't you think?
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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    Quote Originally Posted by DEATHBOTT View Post
    dd and his crew probably all have eternal log pose for ph.
    PH doesn't have a working magnetic field, so no log pose points to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    well,I think he is. My proves are the following: in vol.45, garp states that the emperors are the 4 strongest pirates,and that to balance them the WG needs both the Marine and the 7 warlords, this alone is good enough to be a proof. if it weren't enough,my statement comes also from the war,in which mihawk didn't show anything relevant (he owned mr.1,but he was stopped by that arrogant crocodile,who challenged him not to be stomped like a bug),in fact he didn't defeat noone out of the strong ones (WB defeated akainu,aokiji and a lot of other strong ones,jinbe defeated a powered moria ecc.).

    said this, I repeat my previous foresight: doflamingo will be defeated before big mam. the emperors are still wrapped in mysteries,we don't know them,and not even the world seems to know them enough (the marines and even the admirals weren't sure of marco's powers,and someone didn't even know about wb's one), and for what concerns mama,caesar said that he had heard about her bestial army,as if they didn't know much about their own "customers". joker is gonna fall down,in fact he is the one coming towards them,and the one challenged by law. big mam? she should be much further in the NW.
    No it's not. With their crews they are the mighty Yonkou, without their crews, they would just be some strong pirates. How is that even debatable? It's okay to have your opinion, but that's not really proving anything. Nor is him taking down no one named. The admirals took the captain, Doflamingo the second mate, Marco was held back by admiral tier characters too. Mihawk hadn't had any problems against Vista, it was a simple short clash between two strong swordman, he didn't sweat, his long range attack to test them out was held back by the "unmovable" force of the diamond man, no suprise. It's a simple display to show that those two characters are not to joke with.

    And I don't really have to explain to you why Oda didn't let him take anyone down? That is so that we as the readers don't see his limits yet. Shanks was there too, but he didn't take down anyone, does that mean that he's weaker than Akainu or anybody else? No it does not, we don't even rudimentarily know where the limit of those characters are right now, aside from being near the top in the echelon of strong characters.

    The person not knowing about Whitebeard and his powers would have to be totallly illiterate person, like Luffy. It's not exactly their fault, but Whitebeard is basic knowledge in the whole world, for at least twenty years now.

    Be sure that everyone who wants to, will know about the four Yonkou, not showing their faces and powers is to hide those secrets for us, the readers, not for the OP characters, they obviously have bounty posters for them.

    Many brokers may not know about BigMam's army, but the important person we are talking about, Doflamingo, knows everything, being the broker for that deal himself. We really don't know much about either her or him, aside from some of the strongest crew members faces. One or the other could fall first, but there isn't really anything besides Doflamingo setting up another time limit for the Mugiwara alliance to leave PH as soon as possible. See how Shirokuni has nearly no importance now that Bufallo whirled it away, Doflamingo moving makes it all more exciting. If he arrives after they left, readers can feel relieved, if he comes to clash, they will have no way to escape aside from somehow using Laws submarine or another natural phenomenon. Can't really see another Coup de Burst helping them much, the technique would also be overused.

    Story telling, you are somehow often missing the point of it.

    No one has a [normal] log pose to PH. Vivre card, here we go.
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    Re: Shichibukai, Yonkou and the art of story-telling

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    No it's not. With their crews they are the mighty Yonkou, without their crews, they would just be some strong pirates. How is that even debatable? It's okay to have your opinion, but that's not really proving anything. Nor is him taking down no one named. The admirals took the captain, Doflamingo the second mate, Marco was held back by admiral tier characters too. Mihawk hadn't had any problems against Vista, it was a simple short clash between two strong swordman, he didn't sweat, his long range attack to test them out was held back by the "unmovable" force of the diamond man, no suprise. It's a simple display to show that those two characters are not to joke with.

    And I don't really have to explain to you why Oda didn't let him take anyone down? That is so that we as the readers don't see his limits yet. Shanks was there too, but he didn't take down anyone, does that mean that he's weaker than Akainu or anybody else? No it does not, we don't even rudimentarily know where the limit of those characters are right now, aside from being near the top in the echelon of strong characters.

    The person not knowing about Whitebeard and his powers would have to be totallly illiterate person, like Luffy. It's not exactly their fault, but Whitebeard is basic knowledge in the whole world, for at least twenty years now.

    Be sure that everyone who wants to, will know about the four Yonkou, not showing their faces and powers is to hide those secrets for us, the readers, not for the OP characters, they obviously have bounty posters for them.

    Many brokers may not know about BigMam's army, but the important person we are talking about, Doflamingo, knows everything, being the broker for that deal himself. We really don't know much about either her or him, aside from some of the strongest crew members faces. One or the other could fall first, but there isn't really anything besides Doflamingo setting up another time limit for the Mugiwara alliance to leave PH as soon as possible. See how Shirokuni has nearly no importance now that Bufallo whirled it away, Doflamingo moving makes it all more exciting. If he arrives after they left, readers can feel relieved, if he comes to clash, they will have no way to escape aside from somehow using Laws submarine or another natural phenomenon. Can't really see another Coup de Burst helping them much, the technique would also be overused.

    Story telling, you are somehow often missing the point of it.

    No one has a log pose to PH. Vivre card, here we go.
    i totally disagree with you to put a Mihawk in the same sport as a shanks yes there was a time where they were in the both level and that's all Shanks with 10 of his crew stop the war this is a big deal and even Akainu didn't try to attack shanks.

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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    Because two Yonkou with full crew are nothing to joke with, especially if one of those arrived far later being 100% at health, thanks for proving nothing at all.

    http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-...80-page-6.html and following pages show how big of an argument you made. Mihawk isn't even interested in fighting anymore, Shanks shamed all of them with his speech, which lead to the end of the war. Would Aikanu have been the fleet admiral, he might have attacked, Sakazuki had no say in attacking a second Yonkou in such a situation though with Sengoku being his superior. You also seem to have missed Blackbeard and crew being in the amidst of the war. All in all, two mighty pirate crews arrived in a fight that's supposed to be between the Marines and the Whitebeard alliance only.

    Sorry for going off-topic, here we go: Shanks vs Mihawk.

    P.S.: Why quote a big post, when it's the next to last one anyway... and not even responding to the arguments featured in it.
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    Re: Shichibukai, Yonkou and the art of story-telling

    Quote Originally Posted by 0Xellos View Post
    PH doesn't have a working magnetic field, so no log pose points to it.
    Apparently Smoker, Tashigi and G-5 knew where PH was so did Aokiji and Akainu. I wouldn't be that surprised that Doflamingo and his men knew about its whereabouts and how to get there, too. A shichibukai is ranked much higher than even Akainu in the World Government structure.

    But:

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    No one has a log pose to PH. Vivre card, here we go.
    Hm, that actually does only mean that the three log poses vom FMI don't point to Punk Hazard as they provide only the course to some other targets. It does neither mean that PH doesn't have a magnetic field at all nor that there can't be log nor eternal poses somewhere in the world.

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    Punk Hazard, Eternal + normal Log Poses

    I'm solely talking about Punk Hazard, and as far as we know it was a known research base for the WG, so they obviously had knowns it's location with sea charts. Akainu and Aokiji were there before the magnetic field was disturbed, because they were the cause of it. So those two are out as well as anyone coming there before their big fight. Smoker and Tashigi are G5 marines, which PH is/was likely part of, so they had ways to know about it's existence and were likely in the NW before the fight even started. The gas accident already happened at that point, but that only meant that nobody had a reason to go there by themself. And wouldn't even a eternal log pose be effected by a change of the magnetic field in that magnitude?
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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    Oh yeah, i forgot about the Vivre card to reach Punk Hazard. Also Smoker land over PH with lucky (xD), so it's not entirely impossible to get there.

    Schabrak, never has been said that Punk Hazard once had a magnetic field, i must say that if it was destroyed by Caesar while was an important point to do experiments, incluiding Vegapunk's work on it. Sure it's an island without magnetic force to land being a difficult task for anyone and probably messing on the experiments revealing what are they doing to the world, all this before admiral's fight... Punk Hazard is like the rest of the island in the four blues, you have to reach on them only by memory.
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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    Quote Originally Posted by S-H-I-G-U-R-E View Post
    Actually, Mihawk is one of the VERY FEW people to remain COMPLETELY UNSCATHED during the War at Marineford. The only character achieving the same feat as him is Hancock. No other character managed to do the same. Of course we can say for sure that non of them really tried that hard during the war, and that might have somewhat helped keeping them safe (well, Hancock actually exposed herself to danger a lot, but she never directly went for the big shots), but still it shows how strong they all are. Personally, I believe Mihawk is at least on par with Shanks, as it was already stated in the manga by Oda himself. It wouild be silly to forget such an important "detail", don't you think?
    not at all,remember what Wb told shanks in vol.45: "your fights with mihawk were talked by people as a legend" http://www.mangareader.net/103-2541-...apter-434.html . yet,shanks hadn't lost his arm yet,and after losing it he met rayleigh at sabaody,thereore he wasn't probably an emperor yet,hence I guess his strength was much weaker than it is now (his sovereign haki too,as it grows together with the user). Furthermore,don't forget that shanks's jolly roger has got swords instead of bones,that's why he was in pair with mihawk back then. I believe mihawk became better than him (going by sword style),but shanks is above him for the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    No it's not. With their crews they are the mighty Yonkou, without their crews, they would just be some strong pirates. How is that even debatable? It's okay to have your opinion, but that's not really proving anything. Nor is him taking down no one named. The admirals took the captain, Doflamingo the second mate, Marco was held back by admiral tier characters too. Mihawk hadn't had any problems against Vista, it was a simple short clash between two strong swordman, he didn't sweat, his long range attack to test them out was held back by the "unmovable" force of the diamond man, no suprise. It's a simple display to show that those two characters are not to joke with.

    And I don't really have to explain to you why Oda didn't let him take anyone down? That is so that we as the readers don't see his limits yet. Shanks was there too, but he didn't take down anyone, does that mean that he's weaker than Akainu or anybody else? No it does not, we don't even rudimentarily know where the limit of those characters are right now, aside from being near the top in the echelon of strong characters.

    The person not knowing about Whitebeard and his powers would have to be totallly illiterate person, like Luffy. It's not exactly their fault, but Whitebeard is basic knowledge in the whole world, for at least twenty years now.

    Be sure that everyone who wants to, will know about the four Yonkou, not showing their faces and powers is to hide those secrets for us, the readers, not for the OP characters, they obviously have bounty posters for them.

    Many brokers may not know about BigMam's army, but the important person we are talking about, Doflamingo, knows everything, being the broker for that deal himself. We really don't know much about either her or him, aside from some of the strongest crew members faces. One or the other could fall first, but there isn't really anything besides Doflamingo setting up another time limit for the Mugiwara alliance to leave PH as soon as possible. See how Shirokuni has nearly no importance now that Bufallo whirled it away, Doflamingo moving makes it all more exciting. If he arrives after they left, readers can feel relieved, if he comes to clash, they will have no way to escape aside from somehow using Laws submarine or another natural phenomenon. Can't really see another Coup de Burst helping them much, the technique would also be overused.

    Story telling, you are somehow often missing the point of it.

    No one has a [normal] log pose to PH. Vivre card, here we go.
    eheh,I was waiting for you to say this : nope,new world's pirates' powers are not so known as you say,that goes for the paradise,but the NW is another issue. remember Odr junior (or Oz,Ozu ecc.,I don't know how they call him,each site says a different name), not even the Vice-admirals knew about him,and it's plausible as the marines weren't really present in the NW.
    about the crews,I didn't witness many abilities by those captains,and their pirates didn't but slow down PX and get killed,or they dealt with low-ranked marines.
    crews aside,I still believe that translation of garp's speech which said that the only 3 pirates who could stop WB were shanks and the other 2 emperors, and we saw how quickly aokiji or akainu were defeated by WB,didn't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    Because two Yonkou with full crew are nothing to joke with, especially if one of those arrived far later being 100% at health, thanks for proving nothing at all.

    http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-...80-page-6.html and following pages show how big of an argument you made. Mihawk isn't even interested in fighting anymore, Shanks shamed all of them with his speech, which lead to the end of the war. Would Aikanu have been the fleet admiral, he might have attacked, Sakazuki had no say in attacking a second Yonkou in such a situation though with Sengoku being his superior. You also seem to have missed Blackbeard and crew being in the amidst of the war. All in all, two mighty pirate crews arrived in a fight that's supposed to be between the Marines and the Whitebeard alliance only.
    mmmmm it seems that you love the long posts
    for the arguments : when mihawk attecked whitebeard he said : "i want to know how far i am from the strongest man in the world" which is a yonkou. to say that shanks and his crew were a 100% i am not sure about this one we know that Kaidou fought shanks and was defeated in the process and the marine was aware of that and try to be act like Akainu he wanted to kill a coby in front of ALL and Shanks jump in blocking his attack and you are saying that he need permission to attack Shanks ?!!!!!! he knew that he didnt have any chance to win this is the reason and yes he was beaten up by whitebeard so maybe this is why .

    For BB he said himself that he and his crew were not ready for this stage thought he was attacking Songoku and Garp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenetfm View Post
    he knew that he didnt have any chance to win this is the reason and yes he was beaten up by whitebeard so maybe this is why .
    Whitebeard was the strongest man on earth, not because he was a Yonkou, but he was simply the strongest on earth. Not Shanks, not Mihawk, not Sengoku, but Whitebeard. Yonkou is a title given to the strongest pirate crews, do we have to start this discussion again?

    The Red Hair pirates looked fine to me, we don't know really know how Shanks had solved the the problem with Kaidou and nothing hints to them having anything resembling a [big] fight. I didn't mention "permission", only that some stuff has to be cleared off by his superior, as shown before with Sengoku having control over the big decisions. And starting a fight with another Yonkou definitelly falls under that. The bolded part, you know more than we do? Akainu was appalled to see such a target infront of him, doesn't mean that he wouldn't dare to attack under the right circumstances.

    Blackbeard was daring and testing his new power and had the backup of some of the most feared pirates in the OPverse.

    A comma or two wouldn't hurt to make your post a bit more comprehensible.^^

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    Eh, the public as well as marines don't know about Doflamingo's truth. Also Garp is talking in terms of Yonkou crews, as they always move in a group, shichibukai like Mihawk, do not. Again, see above, WB was the strongest man on earth.

    A bit work with the grammar and structure to make it more readable wouldn't hurt you either. It shouldn't be a turture to just read the posts.

    edit: Will edit later, ran out of time.
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    Re: One Piece 694 Discussion / 695 Predictions + Returns Next Week!

    well,actually kaido didn't really fight shanks,imo. I believe kaido was in roger's ship,or something like that (well,he is gonna get involved in the current miniadventure,as caribo landed in his favourite island),therefore shanks just stopped him.
    for what concerns akainu,he really was pissed off not to be allowed/able to kill the other pirates there http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-...0-page-12.html ,he knew shanks,being an emperor would have defeated him,although not as Wb,the strongest man on earth, had just did.
    BB? ahah that man was an idiot: Sengoku alone almost defeated him and his crew with shockwave,yet he was still claiming against sengoku and garp

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    Re: Punk Hazard, Eternal + normal Log Poses

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    I'm solely talking about Punk Hazard, and as far as we know it was a known research base for the WG, so they obviously had knowns it's location with sea charts. Akainu and Aokiji were there before the magnetic field was disturbed, because they were the cause of it. So those two are out as well as anyone coming there before their big fight. Smoker and Tashigi are G5 marines, which PH is/was likely part of, so they had ways to know about it's existence and were likely in the NW before the fight even started. The gas accident already happened at that point, but that only meant that nobody had a reason to go there by themself. And wouldn't even a eternal log pose be effected by a change of the magnetic field in that magnitude?
    But where was it said that Punk Hazard didn't have a magnetic field or that the Admirals' fight had any effect on it? On the climate for years. Yes. But the magnetic field?

    It's possible that the WG confiscated all eternal poses, and that Dressrosa is the only island out there to make a log pose calculate a course to Punk Hazard as target. But so far, there's nothing been said about PH's magnetic field.

    And it's actually pretty much possible that Nami's log poses then have different targets than Raijin, Mysteria and Risky Red because of PH's magnetic field...

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