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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Surprise, surprise. Killing off the American team and looking for a way to bring Kurono into the mix, true to battle shounen form.
Introduce Osaka team as being really strong by stating most have completed 'the game' multiple times -> get them killed off and have Tokyo sweep things up.
Introduce Italian team and have someone state them as being as strong as Osaka, if not stronger due to the presence of a hardsuit -> kill them off and have Tokyo do some damage in Italy.
Introduce random Japanese team with two hard suits, to imply that two members are similar to Oku in terms of strength -> kill them off and have Tokyo clean house.
Introduce American team as war winners who are just toying around with the remaining aliens -> kill them off and have Kei + Tokyo finish it off.
It's rather formulaic, but kinda necessary.
I'd assume that Japan has at least 47 teams, one for every prefecture and more in some cases.
Last edited by Matariel; January 22, 2013 at 11:28 PM.
Maybe he didn't want to lose Kaze.
The way I imagine creative writing like this sort of stuff is you build up your cast of characters, throw them in a situation and then see what would happen. In my mind Kaze would run straight in and get ripped to shreds because he's strong as hell but slow as shit. So I'd transfer him out to keep him alive while without altering his character.
I would be interested to know if people approach writing a bit differently though. Maybe it's completely different (e.g. he's the main character so he wins no matter what) or maybe certain writers have checklists, like the first 100 chapters needs x amount of explosions or y amount of nudie scenes (10:1 female:male). Or whatever it may be, by any means necessary.
There isn't much to it, really.
Last edited by Matariel; January 23, 2013 at 12:35 AM.
Well I'm wondering whether it was the suit that made him so strong or whether it was all reasonably natural.
Anyway does this confirm that Gonde is a regular sized giant? I always figured when we first saw him and his buddies that they were like twice the size of regular ones.
Everything else though, you're probably right.
As for Gonde's size, he's always been normal sized, for a giant. He only looks tall because Gonde and the two others are in the foreground and all the regulars are in the background and remain in the background for almost the entire chapter. It's simply perspective.
You're more than likely to be overthinking a lot of things.
The Americans are kinda portrayed as cocky jerks. but they got killed offscreen LOL.
I love the challenge, he calls out Kei and it feels like things are gonna start escalating even more.
I see no reason to drag real Kurono into this. They have a gantz ball, they can just clone him as many time as they want.
Too bad the author isn't going to do it like that. He would rather waste panels with Tae screaming his name.
And i seriously doubt it was because of the armor the giant was wearing, he just squished a guy wearing a functional gantz suit with his bare hands, that's massive strenght. To me, the reason why Kaze is gone is not because Oku wants to add tension taking away the only person who could give a fight, it's because he doesn't want to kill Kaze, he doesn't stand a chance in a melee fight.
Wearing the hard suit is the only way i can see Kurono winning this...but it would be too forced to make him wear one again...maybe someone on that ship has one and kills the giant.
Oku could easily give anyone plot armour and that is stronger than anything else in this manga. Tae being a prime example of that. It's not like Oku isn't the type to asspull plot armour or a deus ex eithr. So, there's no reason why Kaze wouldn't have survived because lolOku. Hell, Kaze shouldn't have even survived against Nura, but he did. If Kaze had gotten into the fight with Gonde, Oku is not bound to kill him off simply because of how strong he's made Gonde out to be, Oku could easily whip up whatever plot device he wants to keep him alive, or just injure him.
If Kurono is going to win, which he probably will, he could have won without his Gantz suit. There's one thing more powerful than anything else in Gantz, and that's Oku's will to pull things out of his arse.
Tae is a pretty rare occurence though, and frankly the only time she survived something she shouldn't have was when Nishi nearly knocked her off the mech.
Since Oku has just established that you can't hang on to Gonde or anything like that, Kaze might have been pretty useless. Though of course anything goes when you're the writer.. If you're trying to maintain some form of integrity, that's when your options become a little bit limited. Perhaps that's what we're seeing.
We won't know until we see it but it's impossible to just say Kaze would definitely win or definitely lose. Sure, Oku could make Kaze so amazingly strong that he can do whatever the fuck he wants, but he didn't! He sent him home before he even had a chance. It offers a hint as to what Oku has planned for the fight, including possible strengths Gonde has that might overwhelm someone like Kaze UNLESS he had plot armor.
Last edited by Damura; January 28, 2013 at 02:04 AM.
Either way about it, it's a pointless what-if. After all, what would the finale be without Gary Stu Kurono coming to save the day.
Last edited by Matariel; January 28, 2013 at 02:15 PM.
My point was that Kaze was no match for the giant in terms of speed and strenght, in a duel he would have lost in minutes or even less. Like i said before, he took him out of the battle so he doesn't have to die, you can call plot armor that...it wouldn't be of his nature to just stand while the alien kills everybody in order to drag Kurono.
Hanging off that mech for ages was total BS though
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Another thing... Mary went with him. Their whole relationship has been forced since the beginning. The fact that Kaze's happy ending was transferred with him says to me that not only will Kaze be fine til the end of the series (or at least the arc), but that everybody else is extremely at risk right now of dying and/or injury.
I'm not disagreeing that transporting him away was to keep him totally safe, but the plot could have easily kept him alive if that were not the case.
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Did everyone forgot that tae had a hooking pierce his left leg, through tibia? and speaking of Gonde. Is it so hard to have one guy use autolock just in case an alien goes rogue? I get Oku is showing Gonde's strength, but try to stay in the norm of your creation and it's (pre)logic and rules.