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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Kabuto, and Kabuto only had the capacities to resurrect him into his prime, modifying and improving his body.
Let's not forget that Edo Tensei revives you on the time of your death, and seeing as Madara awakened the Rin'negan only as an old man, it was disadvantegous either way:
-if he killed himself when he was young, he would have "only" EMS, and the whole plan wouldn't even exist, since he wouldn't have neither the Rin'negan nor Gedo Mazo.
-if he killed himself when he was old, he would have the Rin'negan and Gedo Mazo, but he would have a weak body and probably a way smaller chakra pool as well.
I wonder what the time window around 'time of death' actually is. Would be a strange technique to resurrect (and maintain) ninjas with missing limbs, heads, and holes in their stomachs.
Good point though...
That said, has it been stated that the Outer parh: Samsara of Heavenly Light actually has the ability to bring Madara back to how he is as an ET (Young body + Rinnengan)? It seemed to just send the souls back to the bodies that they came from...
This opens up a whole different can of worms as to why Nagato didn't use it on his buddy (not the dog - Yahiko!), but I guess that is topic for another thread.
I still am not sure it is so simple as you made it out to be though.
We know Madara and Obito intended for Nagato to use Gedo Rinne for Madara and resurrect him, presumably at his best shape.
If this was such a convenient jutsu however why wouldn't Nagato revive Yahiko? Or Obito Rin?
Why would Nagato wait "for the right time"?
My theory is that Gedo Rinne requires the more chakra the longer the body died, meaning Nagato would probably kill himself trying to resurrect Yahiko. Probably Nagato would kill himself to resurrect Madara ( maybe aided by the Bijuu's chakra ), and probably would either when all Bijuus would be under him, or when the Juubi would be resurrected.
But Tobirama too... he knew how to use Edo Tensei AND S/T jutsu. Orochimaru learned quite a bit about the jutsu of ET while Minato learned a lot about S/T jutsu... which seems to be a natural ability of certain Uchiha MS.
I think Madara purely speculated on the power of Rinne Tensei by expecting to get revived by the aid of it. There is no way he had that much knowledge about Rinnegan, because he had just awakened it before his death. He didn't master the Rinnegan.
Apparently, Nagato wasn't able to use Rinne Tensei at the time Yahiko died.
I wonder when and where he did learn about this jutsu.
Why is the 3rd Hokage is POSSIBLY Stronger than Madara?
Simply because he surpassed the 1st and 2nd Hokage he was also called the God of Shinobi
during his Era he was the strongest of all Kage,PROBABLY surpassing Onoki,3rd Raikage and the others who knows.Even in his Old Age he didn't lose composure fighting with Orochimaru with 1st and 2nd Hokage,and it was stated in his battle with orochimaru that it was different compared to his prime probably cuz of age gap yes.But since Madara got a hold of EMS and Rinnegan + Jubi +Reversed Edo Tensei it would probably be a different story now and I dont even fukin know why he surpassed the 1st if he Madara said the 1st doesn't need hand signs to heal himself. I was like wtf and yeh if Madara said only Hashirama can beat him then wtf the 3rd hokage hasn't done much shit yet then why is he called God of Shinobi (Btw the guy who called him that dude Iruka)
I got the idea here:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hiruzen_Sarutobi
Last edited by King of Anime; December 28, 2012 at 03:24 AM.
Madara would 1 shoot him... That is after he would stop laughting.
He only fought an incomplete binding of Edo Tensei and won the battle for his village with a sacrificial sealing jutsu against senseless puppets.
When was it stated that Hiruzen did ever surpass his Sensei?
Oh god, this again.
Kishi's old word that no longer holds any significance in terms of what we've seen on screen. The Third's fight with Orochimaru is in retrospect a chuunin fight now, a fight previously described as "Kage level" by an ANBU captain, that includes Hashirama who also acted like a chuunin compared to what he should be able to do.
Age is no excuse. Danzou fought well and was older than Sarutobi. Oonoki whom is far older than Sarutobi ever was, is kicking ass. And I deem it an impossibility for Sarutobi to counter Oonoki's Dust Release, and Sandaime Raikage's speed combined with defense + attack power. GG Kishi.
Heck, even Dan said "the only one who can stop Madara is the First Hokage". It's not rocket science that Kishi has decided that The First > The Third ever since the Senju-Uchiha plot increased its importance.
Last edited by 3c; December 28, 2012 at 04:33 AM.
First Databook, pages 117-119
And here it's stated he is the strongest of all 5 Kages.
What you're saying makes little to no sense, Enma stated that Hiruzens ability is pathetic compared to his prime. And Orochimaru said "Even you who is know as God of the Shinobi can't overcome old age". How can you say age is not an excuse ?
Kishimoto is clearly not willing to take back his statement as he said in the 2nd Fanbook " Rikudo sennin is known as the Shinobi God...Sarutobi must have been godly !", further showing he was not joking when he said he is the strongest among all Kages (BTW this was stated after all five kages appeared so they are no old words). Why should we think Kishimoto is trolling and not saying the truth ?
Kishi retconned Hashirama, putting him just below Rikudou Sennin.
Even by hype, Hiruzen's worth is now useless
Think about it. When characters want to mention previous beasts, do they EVER mention the THIRD Hokage? No. They mention 1) Hashirama, 2) Minato, 3) Madara. No one ever mentions Hiruzen. Why is that? It's because in the current story which is 500 chapters later than when Hiruzen's so called Kage level was displayed, his Kage level is in fact chuunin level. Surely he was stronger in his prime. That means more chakra, more stamina, more speed. However the fact is he's still limited to regular element techniques.
Just ask yourself, how would Hiruzen with no bloodline limit or special powers, who btw could have in no possible way known (used) all of Konoha's techniques due to later story restrictions (clan techniques (bloodline limits) and element restrictions), deal with people like Muu or Oonoki? Any defense he would put up, e.g. an Earth Wall, would be obliterated like nothing. Muu and Oonoki could have flown out of his reach and nuked him to the afterlife. How would he deal with A's father's speed combined with his durable body and defense? He surely was not faster, and A's father pretty much couldn't be harmed by normal techniques, which include FRS(!!).
As for the thread's question: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/13
Last edited by 3c; December 28, 2012 at 05:25 AM.
In the second link, Kabuto refers to Sandaime as the strongest because he was the Hokage. Apparently, it was an appraisal to the title of Hokage and Konoha's strength and nothing else.