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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Minato didn't defeat the Kyuubi. He had no way to handle it on his own.
    His greatest technique is Hiraishin, and you cannot take down a Bijuu with a kunai.
    Sure he did. Sealing Kurama away is defeating her. He did that and he only needs his seals for it.

    @Uchiha_Blood

    I know seals are not a special ability. I was enforcing what you said lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    How it is retconned if Yondaime's summoning failed?
    Kabuto said pretty clearly Oro failed to summon Yondaime because his soul was trapped.

    As for the sealing issue, how it is retconned? What suggests that Kyuubi regained that missing half, when Yondaime and Jiraiya, the two most knowledgeable guys in the matter said otherwise?
    You don't summon them direcly in the fight like Kabuto showed to Tobi. He had Minato PREPED.
    Then Sarutobi himself states HE stoped it. That is it. Cler indication of this. Sarutobi knew the jutsu and he knew Minato is in the DG but he states HE stoped it.

    JMan stated at that point and it was fact at that point. Later it was retconed with Minato stating about just sealing some chakra away, as much as he could. 2 times is Minato addresing what he sealed and both time its just CHAKRA. Nothing about yin/yang.

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    In their battle though he couldn't access Kyuubi's chakra, so that was all him until Kushina showed up.
    As for Gekkei Kenkais, Hidan, Kakuzu, Deidara and Yondaime did so without them, if I'm not mistaken ( I remember all of their abilities being Hijutsus )
    It brings the same question. Was it the Kyuubi at his best? What if the Kyuubi wasn't able to create chakra when he was jailed in and did so after being freed up?
    My bad, you are right. Hidan and Kakuzu didn't have a Kekkai Genkai, indeed, but they were like immortal and had Hidan's hax technique to prevail. Can't agree with Yondaime, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Sure he did. Sealing Kurama away is defeating her. He did that and he only needs his seals for it.
    In my book, Shiki Fuujin can never be considered a sign of defeat. As long as you have enough strength to pull out your opponent's soul/chakra, you can seal him. Does it really matter? Every other character stated in the thread defeated a Jinchuuriki with transformation abilities or showed anything along the lines that they were at least able to withstand it.

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    @Hakuteiken

    You can call it whatever you whant. Point is Minato with nothing but his seals could save the village and stop Kurama's rampage. Sarutobi with an army behind him could only delay it, push it out of the village after Minato broke the link with Tobi and gave them an opening and in the end Sarutobi's dudes hoping for Minato to save there buts.

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    If Hiruzen was able to get that close to Kyuubi thanks to Kushina restraining it, he would be able to seal it, too.

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    You don't summon them direcly in the fight like Kabuto showed to Tobi. He had Minato PREPED.
    Then Sarutobi himself states HE stoped it. That is it. Cler indication of this. Sarutobi knew the jutsu and he knew Minato is in the DG but he states HE stoped it.

    JMan stated at that point and it was fact at that point. Later it was retconed with Minato stating about just sealing some chakra away, as much as he could. 2 times is Minato addresing what he sealed and both time its just CHAKRA. Nothing about yin/yang.
    Let's agree to disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    It brings the same question. Was it the Kyuubi at his best? What if the Kyuubi wasn't able to create chakra when he was jailed in and did so after being freed up?
    My bad, you are right. Hidan and Kakuzu didn't have a Kekkai Genkai, indeed, but they were like immortal and had Hidan's hax technique to prevail. Can't agree with Yondaime, though.
    Yondaime did what he did to give Naruto the chance to control Kyuubi ( half of Kyuubi's chakra is better than all of it, expecially for an infant ) and, at the same time, to seal Kushina's chakra and his own into Naruto's.
    See the databooks entry for the seals Yondaime used to seal ( ) Kyuubi

    Spoiler: Shishou Fuuin show


    Spoiler: Hakke Fuuin show


    Its obvious that, if he wanted to, he could seal the full Kyuubi inside Naruto without killing himself in the process.
    Mind you, you need incredibly haxed abilities to deal with Bijuus, as you said yourself, but they don't need to be auto-win abilities like Mokuton and Sharingan imo

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Yondaime did what he did to give Naruto the chance to control Kyuubi ( half of Kyuubi's chakra is better than all of it, expecially for an infant ) and, at the same time, to seal Kushina's chakra and his own into Naruto's.
    See the databooks entry for the seals Yondaime used to seal ( ) Kyuubi

    Spoiler: Shishou Fuuin show


    Spoiler: Hakke Fuuin show


    Its obvious that, if he wanted to, he could seal the full Kyuubi inside Naruto without killing himself in the process.
    Mind you, you need incredibly haxed abilities to deal with Bijuus, as you said yourself, but they don't need to be auto-win abilities like Mokuton and Sharingan imo
    But he said himself it was physically impossible to seal it as a whole. I just don't get this. Then why on the earth he killed himself along?
    The Raikage definitely didn't have auto-win abilities, so, I agree, but without that assistance, the only other way to cope with them is to have a crazily strong body or be fuuinjutsu master or something.

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    Ah, got the point now. Naruto's body wouldn't be able to handle the full power of the Bijuu.
    Then, this makes Shiki Fuujin inferior to Hakke Fuuin in that sense.

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    But he said himself it was physically impossible to seal it as a whole. I just don't get this. Then why on the earth he killed himself along?
    The Raikage definitely didn't have auto-win abilities, so, I agree, but without that assistance, the only other way to cope with them is to have a crazily strong body or be fuuinjutsu master or something.

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    Ah, got the point now. Naruto's body wouldn't be able to handle the full power of the Bijuu.
    Then, this makes Shiki Fuujin inferior to Hakke Fuuin in that sense.
    Yep, the difference though is that while Shiki Fuuin seals chakra away permanently ( at least in theory, but we saw Oro not regaining use of his arm despite changing bodies and whatnot ), Hakke Fuuin simply seals it in a container, where it can be unsealed ( its no coincidence that Naruto's seal weakened over time, Kyuubi's chakra likely corroded it ).
    Hakke Fuuin is temporary, Shiki Fuuin is eternal.

    On the Bijuu fight, yes, basically you either outlast it or seal it, let's not forget they are massive chakra beasts with incredible powers, being able to shoot lasers and shit
    Just to understand how great they are, do remember that 9 S rank ninjas needed 3 days straight to seal even the weakest Bijuus

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Translation error? Dunno. How is it like a reverse Four Symbol seal though? It may, but we only have words to go by, not facts. It's still opinion that HIruzen knew every single jutsu in Konoha, or that he was the strongest hokage ever. The only thing that's fact in relation to him is that he's the longest-living hokage, having been one for about forty years.
    The Four Symbol seal allows Naruto to draw upon the Kyuubi's chakra, so the reverse pulling things in does make sense. Agree with the whole opinion thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Could also show that not enough experiment was done on Yamato like it was on Danzou, as he was abandoned soon after getting injected with the cells.
    The experiments on Danzo seem to have been more for the Sharingans and Izanagi, and considering that Danzo can't even really use Mokuton like Yamato, Yamato seem to have gotten the better of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    I don't think the Zetsu were meant for anything but transforming into the enemy. And possibly for luring Naruto out.
    I suppose, though then there shouldn't have been much reason to make them physically stronger. Plus one would think the transforming would have been done much sooner if that was the sole purpose. Then again, not like this war has made any sort of sense since it started.

    Naruto took the majority of the Kyuubi's chakra, yet it was back to normal soon after even though it hadn't been stealing chakra from Naruto. And the Kyuubi was recently shown gathering chakra, which requires both physical and spiritual energy, which is what Yin-Yang is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Define special ability.
    If by special ability you mean Mokuton and Sharingan's suppression abilities, then Third and Fourth Raikage, Hidan and Kakuzu, Tobi and Deidara and finally Naruto showed to be able to match Bijuus without them.
    No, by special ability I mean what Hashirama, Madara, previous two Raikage and Kazekage, Deidara, and even Kakuzu had. Naruto is the only one who showed the ability to match Kyuubi's power without having special power. Though, he did get eaten by the Yonbi despite having Kyuubi's chakra.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Minato didn't defeat the Kyuubi. He had no way to handle it on his own.
    His greatest technique is Hiraishin, and you cannot take down a Bijuu with a kunai.
    His supposed greatest techinque is Hiraishin. But yeah, Minato never defeated the Kyuubi, he only teleported it away to avoid it destroying Konoha and only sealed it in Naruto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Ah, got the point now. Naruto's body wouldn't be able to handle the full power of the Bijuu.
    Then, this makes Shiki Fuujin inferior to Hakke Fuuin in that sense.
    I disagree, it should have been able to handle the full power of the Kyuubi with Minato's seal. So far it was able to contain half of Kyuubi's power without a problem. I don't think that's a good excuse at all. Only excuse that'd work would be Minato knowing about the Juubi and Tobi's possible plan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    The Four Symbol seal allows Naruto to draw upon the Kyuubi's chakra, so the reverse pulling things in does make sense. Agree with the whole opinion thing.
    Oh right, that does kind of make sense. But wasn't the seal designed to seal bijuu in? If it's supposed to be reverse, then it should pull people out or something, kinda like what Sasuke did to Orochimaru from Anko's CS.

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    The experiments on Danzo seem to have been more for the Sharingans and Izanagi, and considering that Danzo can't even really use Mokuton like Yamato, Yamato seem to have gotten the better of it.
    Has he even tried, though? I think we saw only one or two instances, the rest were focused on Izanagi and one or two jutsu out of that.

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    I suppose, though then there shouldn't have been much reason to make them physically stronger. Plus one would think the transforming would have been done much sooner if that was the sole purpose. Then again, not like this war has made any sort of sense since it started.

    Naruto took the majority of the Kyuubi's chakra, yet it was back to normal soon after even though it hadn't been stealing chakra from Naruto. And the Kyuubi was recently shown gathering chakra, which requires both physical and spiritual energy, which is what Yin-Yang is.
    Physically stronger would have allowed them to last longer if hit or something, I guess. Weren't they taken down, but still able to transform?

    It did steal some chakra from Naruto though, as Naruto himself commented. And we don't know if it was back to normal, maybe it got enough chakra to get back to looking like normal, like Nagato did to Bee.

    Kyuubi could be an exception to that rule though. *shrugs*

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Oh right, that does kind of make sense. But wasn't the seal designed to seal bijuu in? If it's supposed to be reverse, then it should pull people out or something, kinda like what Sasuke did to Orochimaru from Anko's CS.
    I believe Minato used a different seal technique to actually seal the Kyuubi within Naruto. The Four Symbol specifically allows Naruto to take the Kyuubi's chakra, so in that regard it is acting in reverse.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Has he even tried, though? I think we saw only one or two instances, the rest were focused on Izanagi and one or two jutsu out of that.
    Not really, but the few times were quite elementary in comparison, along with the whole "having to keep Hashirama cells from taking him over" situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Physically stronger would have allowed them to last longer if hit or something, I guess. Weren't they taken down, but still able to transform?

    It did steal some chakra from Naruto though, as Naruto himself commented. And we don't know if it was back to normal, maybe it got enough chakra to get back to looking like normal, like Nagato did to Bee.

    Kyuubi could be an exception to that rule though. *shrugs*
    They really didn't show any greater durability then the previous Zetsus or spore clones.

    The Hachibi implied otherwise, and at the very least, the Kyuubi surely didn't take that much. Nagato absorbed eight tails worth of chakra, so that's not all that good an example. Besides, the Kyuubi's recent action have it doing likewise without having to take any chakra from Naruto. Don't really see why the Kyuubi could be an exception.

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    What other seal did he use, then? Can't be shiki fuuin based on what we've seen and know.

    Which further shows how powerful the cells are. It apparently gives some kind of boost as well if it's able to extend Izanagi's time somehow.

    Kyuubi could have taken some of Naruto's life force as well to get his own appearance back. I dunno, it could have taken enough and used it to get into Sage Mode to recover. Kyuubi has never tried to get into Sage Mode before, so it's already pretty weird. And, the Juubi's automatically in Sage Mode, or has natural energy flowin through it and able to utilize it. Shouldn't the same be of the bijuu, who were born from the Juubi's chakra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    What other seal did he use, then? Can't be shiki fuuin based on what we've seen and know.
    Don't know, wasn't gone much into. Though I wouldn't doubt the Shiki Fuuin if modified.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Which further shows how powerful the cells are. It apparently gives some kind of boost as well if it's able to extend Izanagi's time somehow.
    Yeah, though wish we've seen such dangerous with all of the others running around with his cells. Could be a reasonable way for them to finally succeed against Madara, if they end up weakening him and using Naruto to advance the growth of the cells to overtake him. Actually wouldn't be much of an asspull as some other solutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Kyuubi could have taken some of Naruto's life force as well to get his own appearance back. I dunno, it could have taken enough and used it to get into Sage Mode to recover. Kyuubi has never tried to get into Sage Mode before, so it's already pretty weird. And, the Juubi's automatically in Sage Mode, or has natural energy flowin through it and able to utilize it. Shouldn't the same be of the bijuu, who were born from the Juubi's chakra?
    Even then, the sheer difference between their avalible amounts would still mean the Kyuubi had to gather back still quite alot more then he could have achieved from Naruto. I wouldn't say the Kyuubi was employing Sage Mode by just meditating, not this soon around. The Juubi's questionable though, because even before it got back the Bijuu's chakra, it's corpse was alive. And the Rikudou Sennin was stated to have taken the Juubi's "chakra" for create the Bijuus along with his own ability. If they were like the Juubi, then they probably wouldn't need to gather back said chakra, not to mention all the situations where a Bijuu's chakra was taken/sealed/stolen.

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    If Hiruzen was able to get that close to Kyuubi thanks to Kushina restraining it, he would be able to seal it, too.
    Minato had his own shields to limit Kurama's movements. The chains where good as it gave them (and Kishi...) the ability to chat and chat and chat... Thing is Minato had shields that can stop Kurama and keep him inside.

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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

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    Except he didn't, going solely by the act of defeating someone.
    He did. We're done.

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    He didn't stop, he braced himself, else he would have flew forward when he swung. Darui thinking so doesn't mean Ee thought so, which was your claim. As mentioned, you can't have it both ways.
    Yes actually I can have it both way (If I got what you mean by both ways). I showed him stopping, you can take it however you want, that's fine. But, there is no arguing that Darui said he gave it up intentionally, he's A's right hand man and a shinobi smart enough to tell that he lost it intentionally. Not to mention it was stated that he "Took extreme measures", further showing he's done that intentionally. We're done man, We're DONE.

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    Obito mocked Danzo for underestimating Sasuke's Tsukuyomi because it wasn't like Itachi's. Makes no sense for Danzo and Obito to compare Itachi's Tsukuyomi and it's ability to control time to the genjutsu Sasuke was using unless said genjutsu was Tsukuyomi also. It would obviously lack the strength of Tsukuyomi if it wasn't Tsukuyomi.
    Indeed, he does seem to imply that Sasuke used Tsukyomi. But then again he said it's weak, so this helps my point that it's a pitiful Genjutsu (at least in Sasuke's hand).

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    Clearly he is, if he's stronger then the person who defeated Hashirama.
    You're assuming that.

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    And claiming that the commit has nothing to do with said discussion is not acknowledge of getting the point.

    It's true I said it has nothing to do with the discussion, you reminded me, I got the point. What's hard to understand about that ?

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    Um, I get that. Most of the people in this thread get that. Which is why we all understand that he makes mistakes and changes things that were previously stated.
    No. You're not arguing that he makes mistake, your argument is: Why did Hashirama do this ? why didn't he do that ? what's the point of using this ?

    Which is not about how Kishimoto makes mistakes. You basically wants him to write the manga the way YOU like it.

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    But bloodline limits make use of techniques, such as Amaterasu and Empty Palm. And since Orochimaru stated techniques with no specifics, the point still stands. Also notice you skipped over the whole natures part too. I didn't fail to deny, I merely mimicked you.
    I skipped it because you also tried to avoid my proof with sarcasm, I'm the one who mimicked you. That aside notice the bold part, wasn't Orochimaru also planning to learn every Jutsu ? And that's after the whole Nature\Bloodline stuff. How would you explain that ? Perhaps what was meant by Sarutobi being able to use every technique is different from what we think. But that doesn't matter because he was said to be able to use every technique in Konoha so...yeah. And for what it's worth Amaterasu is also considered Doujutsu, so it's not an ordinary Jutsu. And since you can't prove what Orochimaru said is wrong, it's done.

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    Which again, the Hachibi isn't puny "in comparison to the Kyuubi" as pointed out.
    Puny or not, he's much smaller. Done. Stop with the useless replies already.

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    Yin-Yang nature is responsible for all non-elemental techniques, which the Bijuu Blast falls under. Heck, considering the Yin part governs it's shape and spirit, just like the Yang governs it's life, I'm interesting to hear how you can think the Kyuubi can still exist without it. Not to mention that to even create chakra, one needs both physical and spiritual energy, which is what Yin-Yang is. And since the Kyuubi was shown creating chakra..
    Yin-Yang release is different from Yin and Yang separately. Yin release makes use of spiritual power such as Genjutsu. Yang release makes use of physical powers. We don't know for a fact that the Bijuu blast comes from Yin or Yang let alone Yin-Yang release. So avoid saying nonsense. That's why I said you change proofs to your liking. You take something unexplained or weird and make it seem like an established fact. I'll just leave what Uchiha_Blood posted with a little extra :
    Here ,here ,here and here

    Be it Yin-Yang case or not. The Kyuubi only has half it's power and that's that. Done.

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    Heck, considering the Yin part governs it's shape and spirit, just like the Yang governs it's life, I'm interesting to hear how you can think the Kyuubi can still exist without it.
    Good point. Take it to Kishi.

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    It is him not acknowledging the Kyuubi as strongest. Again, it makes no sense for the Hachibi to counter the Kyuubi's previous statement of strength unless he was disagreeing with it. It would make no sense to bring it up in that context.

    Um, we see it drawing upon it's own life, getting skinnier to make it. We saw the same condition with Nagato and Gedo Mazo.
    Nothing makes sense to you apparently. Still, we have no way to make sure what he meant, he said don't judge by tails, but didn't argue that Kurama is the strongest.

    That's not drawing it's life force. Nagato ended up like that because he exhausted his chakra. Chakra is most likely their life force. As far as we know, he just had some chakra left sense Naruto said "you still have that much power".

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    You brought a situational example, and I countered with another showing differently. I haven't changed anything.
    Then refrain from saying I'm trying making things up.

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    Asuma one-shotted and Kirabi one-shotted.
    You're idea of one-shotted is, fighting for who knows how many chapters and getting his head sewed again after it was cut ? And same thing with the second case only instead of getting his head sewed he needed a hostage ? I don't think you understand what one-shot means.

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    Context matters, no matter how much you try to ignore it. Ee had to use his strongest attack to break Sasuke's Susanoo, something that wasn't used on Madara's Susanoo. The attacks that did hit both of them did comparable damage. Their Susanoo's were shown similar, outside the obviously differences.
    I never tried to ignore that, but okay. Show me where it was said that him swinging his arm and flooring Sasuke is his strongest attack. But that's doesn't matter, because he broke through to him. And Tsunade who has a stronger attack couldn't break Madara's. We're done.

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    That, along with what we saw from all the Edo summons, pretty much prove such. He doesn't simply imply it. Not once did he say that erasing their emotions make them better in combat and considering he didn't do that when battle started... Nor did he claim that emotions only help in psychological warfare. The only benefit to making them mindless is that their emotions could potentially be used to release themselves.
    Him saying he prefers to erase their emotions, implies something. And no ! For the last time no ! You're are assuming that based on how you saw "from all the Edo summons". Just read what he said in the same page upper-left panel. "People become torn and confused" and goes on. I just said psychological warfare, for short.
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    Re: The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

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    Question, going by the premise of Sasuke having Tsukyomi but with no ability to control time.

    Does this also mean Sasuke has Kotoamatsukami but with no ability to control a man the way Kotoamatsukami can?

    Can Kotoamatsukami be Kotoamatsukami when it is missing the very thing that makes said genjutsu unique? If it can't then how can Tsukyomi be Tsukyomi if Tsukyomi is a genjutsu with the ability to control time?

    Even Sasuke when using MS genjutsu just stated GENJUTSU.
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/585/12
    Take note that Itachi states Tsukyomi.
    What Danzo compared in those panels is Sasuke's ability to cast genjutsu with his MS eye to that of Itachi's. I really don't see how from this you can get the fact that he also has Tsukyomi. Its like stating FRS is rasengan but with no wind chakra. Or Amaterasu is Katon but only more powerfull and Kakashi himself can do it.

    Even here:
    http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/4

    All i see is Tobi stating how Sasuke's ability in genjutsu(with MS) can't even be compared to Itachi's Tsukyomi .

    I am a firm beliver that Sasuke does not have Tsukyomi, in its place he has Amaterasu manipulation. If you noticed Sasuke is using 1 eye to cast it and nother to manipulated it. This is a indication that Sasuke has Amaterasu manipulation in "Tsukyomi's" eye.
    Last edited by xXan; January 11, 2013 at 03:49 AM.

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