The 3rd Hokage is PROBABLY stronger than Madara

[Hakuteiken]

Am I the only one who noticed there is no word of Hiruzen in the thread anymore?

To clarify a few things..

*Are Kekkei Genkai also considered chakra natures?
No. Yamato states that there is no such thing as a wood element. They are not considered chakra natures by definition.

*Why didn't Orochimaru go after Nagato/Pain who already had the Rinnegan?
It's simple. He can't defeat a Rinnegan user on his own. By taking over a Sharingan user, he can develop his own Rinnegan. The reason why he bothered to go after Itachi/Sasuke was because they were kids who he assumed he could defeat with relative ease. If he knew Nagato possessed the Rinnegan as a kid, he would go after him.

*Does the Susano'o use life force instead of chakra?
This isn't clarified well, but I'd say no. That databook reference is probably stating the huge amount of chakra you need to keep Susano'o up. Nagato is a different case. He channeled his own force to the King of Hell to revive other people's life force. It's not a regular technique. It resides beyond the realm of life and death.

*Are "not being at best" and "not showing everything they have" different?
Slightly, since the former denotes an incapability. Though, even if they were are at their best and they weren't using their skills they would normally do, it also means they were incapable of fighting as Shinobi they were once back in their lifetime. Then, it matters little, since both the former Hokage didn't utilize their abilities. As an instance, the Shodaime not using Mokuton clones is something similar to Naruto not using Kage Bunshin.

[Rikudou King]

There is no such thing.

Sasuke was proclaimed better then Itachi and implied upon gaining EMS to be stronger then Nagato had been, both characters shown superior to the Kages.

That and having the whole series revolving around the RS are two entirely different things. And he said he wanted to learn his secret, that's it. The Rinnegan is not his secret. Unless you have a page or a source saying they sought the Rinnegan, then it's an assumption, and with that I win.

They could just take his eyes.

Not really. And the Rinnegan is the secret to his power, the ability to create something out of nothing as Obito mentions. That is exactly what you asked for and I gave it to you.

No, they couldn't. Again, it has been shown multiple times that using transplanted eyes are costly chakra-wise.

They weren't proven as mistakes, and even if they were, are we to make everything in the Databook, a lie ? It was not said that it's nothing but Chakra, and nothing about it being visible is an impressive feat. I didn't argue that it does not burn as hot as the sun, simply said it takes too long to burn. When did I say chakra flow is an individual skill ?

I think you need it much more than me...

And why did you bring me what was said about Kimimaro ? Are you hoping to win by giving me an answer that has nothing to do with the question ? And once again, nothing about ASUMA'S use of weapon was stated. Or if using a weapon is Taijutsu for that matter. I don't even understand why I bother, when Taijutsu itself means "Body technique" and when it's in real life Ninja means, empty handed combat style.

They were proven as mistakes/recon by the series and databooks themselves. It was called chakra and was noted to be "amazing" because the chakra was visible, and Amaterasu burning slowly is situational and wouldn't negate it being as hot as the sun. A regular fire can burn slowly, yet still burn considerably hot. And you claim that the technique was a specific technique, which it wouldn't be involving chakra flow.

I brought in Kimimaro because he's another example showing weaponry usage is considered taijutsu. Considering he was my first example and we've been talking about the two since, not sure how he "as nothing to do with the question". What it means in real life has nothing to do with what it means within the series, just like all the other real life ninja tactics that have been supernaturally changed.

But they are still chakra elements, even if they are a combination of others. And if Yin and Yang is not a chakra element, then what is it exactly ? We have the second Mizukage clearly saying he is a Yin element user, so it's an element, be them together or not.

Based upon the original five, which was the point. Gone over how one can employ something that is a part of something else.

Now I'm sure you have no idea what's the difference between Proofs and opinions. And again, it simply says how desperate you're. There is a actually several statements about that, you're just ignoring them. And again, you're lying. You never gave a statement of him regenerating his power.

Orochimaru moving around his arms and throwing around ninjutsus is not an opinion, it's actual proof right there on the paper. And no, there's not any statement implying the Kyuubi wasn't back to 100%. Can't ignore something that isn't there. And I went into a whole thing pointing out that the Kyuubi could replenish it's chakra, even using current manga events to show it.

Ah...no. I didn't. And it was not built upon that. You need to check back before spouting nonsense.

You're argument about Sarutobi being stronger was because he defeated the two Edo Hokages in addition to various statements. You stated dozens of times that all that matters is the defeat, not how it was done, when I disagreed with that argument. So I don't think I'm the one who needs to check anything.

Okay, I win. You don't have a proof to back up your claim. I do.

Ignoring the proof given doesn't equal there being no proof.

It's not of even size. Tap or not, doesn't change what the toad says. Nothing about what comes out ? Do you know what "leak" mean ? If you do, then you're more desperate than I thought.

It is, as shown by my various manga examples. Nothing was said about something coming out when the seal was fully opened, as you tried to claim. Nor am I'm the desperate one, as I'm not ignoring shown evidence.

Yes, but he's out. Sure not complete, but the fact that he's out without the QB and Hachibi just destroys your point. And your answer is beyond random, he said he can't seal the Kyuubi completely, what does that have to do with the original question ? Why would he kill himself to seal something that would regenerate in a while ?

No it doesn't, since I stated it was for the complete Juubi and we even had it mentioned by them beforehand. Just because you don't understand doesn't make it random. Exactly what part of the Kyuubi's power being the only thing that could deal with Obito don't you get?

Yes, but if Susanoo draws upon life force, he should have suffered the same thing. And we don't know what they need to draw upon their life force in order to fuel an attack.

Only had he held it, which he didn't. Not that hard to guess.

Not being at their best and not showing everything are two different things, Mr."You need better reading comprehension".

They are two different things and had it happen like you tried to claim, that they got sealed before they could react, then you could have had a point. But choosing to stand around and then use weak attacks that barely did any damage is them clearly not at their best.

*Does the Susano'o use life force instead of chakra?
This isn't clarified well, but I'd say no. That databook reference is probably stating the huge amount of chakra you need to keep Susano'o up. Nagato is a different case. He channeled his own force to the King of Hell to revive other people's life force. It's not a regular technique. It resides beyond the realm of life and death.

Don't forget Sasuke also mentioned how using Susanoo caused pain in the cells of his body, something that doesn't happen just from using chakra.

[Hakuteiken]

Don't forget Sasuke also mentioned how using Susanoo caused pain in the cells of his body, something that doesn't happen just from using chakra.

As I said, I'm not sure about either scenario being true. Life force usage will potentially mean shortening of the user's lifespan. I don't remember it clearly, to be honest. Was anything regarding this stated about MS techniques or Susano'o in special?

[Rikudou King]

As I said, I'm not sure about either scenario being true. Life force usage will potentially mean shortening of the user's lifespan. I don't remember it clearly, to be honest. Was anything regarding this stated about MS techniques or Susano'o in special?

About shortening their lifespan, no. But so far, situations involving cells have normally affected the user's lifespan too. Naruto and Tsunade have been affected by said situations too.

[xXan]

Somebody has to say it so...

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/618/17

I gues we are going to see him at FULL POWER (like in his prime but with the best jutsus he had in his old age) because he now has infinite chakra so he can spam the hell out of whatever he feels like... Just give it a few more chapters people

I KNEW I would have to enforce the 24h rule like, right after the chapter was out - UB


EDIT: Damn forgot about that (i was THAT excited about the new chapter). Sorry for it and thx for the "spoiler tags".

No problem - UB

[Rikudou King]

Gonna be hilarious if all they do is talk. Honestly, can't see a situation where they would be allowed to fight.

I suppose they could break free, but obviously they wouldn't be allowed to fight Sasuke cause he can't be allowed to lose at this point. And them running off to join the war seems weird right when the Alliance seemingly turn the table on Madara and Obito, though it could end up being pretty cool.

[KingOfNight]

Rikudou King

Sasuke was proclaimed better then Itachi and implied upon gaining EMS to be stronger then Nagato had been, both characters shown superior to the Kages.

Never was proclaimed to be better than Itachi. Never was implied to be stronger than Nagato. Still, doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Hashirama > Kages, deal with it.

Not really. And the Rinnegan is the secret to his power, the ability to create something out of nothing as Obito mentions. That is exactly what you asked for and I gave it to you.

No, they couldn't. Again, it has been shown multiple times that using transplanted eyes are costly chakra-wise.

Rinnegan is one of his secrets. When did I ask for anything like that ?

Well, that's how they were trying to take Itachi's\ Sasuke's eyes. Are we gonna make things up again ?

They were proven as mistakes/recon by the series and databooks themselves. It was called chakra and was noted to be "amazing" because the chakra was visible, and Amaterasu burning slowly is situational and wouldn't negate it being as hot as the sun. A regular fire can burn slowly, yet still burn considerably hot. And you claim that the technique was a specific technique, which it wouldn't be involving chakra flow.

I brought in Kimimaro because he's another example showing weaponry usage is considered taijutsu. Considering he was my first example and we've been talking about the two since, not sure how he "as nothing to do with the question". What it means in real life has nothing to do with what it means within the series, just like all the other real life ninja tactics that have been supernaturally changed.

They weren't. Chidori was again, never showed or said to be pure chakra. I never said it wasn't as hot as sun, now did I ? I keep saying it just burns slowly.

Kimimaro was using his body, as I said before. Actually nothing was changed, Katon no Jutsu and several other Jutsu are real life Ninja skills (don't know if they really do exist, but was believed as such back in times.)

Based upon the original five, which was the point. Gone over how one can employ something that is a part of something else.

But they are still elements. As I said, be them together or not, they are still counted as a chakra element.

Orochimaru moving around his arms and throwing around ninjutsus is not an opinion, it's actual proof right there on the paper. And no, there's not any statement implying the Kyuubi wasn't back to 100%. Can't ignore something that isn't there. And I went into a whole thing pointing out that the Kyuubi could replenish it's chakra, even using current manga events to show it.

The current chapter, is all I need to say. I win

You're argument about Sarutobi being stronger was because he defeated the two Edo Hokages in addition to various statements. You stated dozens of times that all that matters is the defeat, not how it was done, when I disagreed with that argument. So I don't think I'm the one who needs to check anything.

That's not quite how it went, you really need to check it back. You gave me an example of weaker people defeating stronger people. Are you to provide me with an actual fact that Sarutobi was weaker than those two ? My argument as well, wasn't built on that. It was built on the freaking statement that he's the strongest Hokage. I simply gave him defeating the two Hokages as a feat when someone requested it.

Ignoring the proof given doesn't equal there being no proof.

Still winning.

It is, as shown by my various manga examples. Nothing was said about something coming out when the seal was fully opened, as you tried to claim. Nor am I'm the desperate one, as I'm not ignoring shown evidence.

Assumption. Chakra coming out is what he meant by "a tiny bit of chakra will leak out", knowing that and still saying you're not desperate is just weird.

No it doesn't, since I stated it was for the complete Juubi and we even had it mentioned by them beforehand. Just because you don't understand doesn't make it random. Exactly what part of the Kyuubi's power being the only thing that could deal with Obito don't you get?

Yes it does. It's not that I don't understand, it's that you found no answer and now trying to avoid my question. What part ? The part that such a statement doesn't exist. And the part that even if such statement did exist, it never mentions they need him with both halves.

Only had he held it, which he didn't. Not that hard to guess.

Held what ? He was using the Susanoo which draws his life force. Bold part...good for you.

They are two different things and had it happen like you tried to claim, that they got sealed before they could react, then you could have had a point. But choosing to stand around and then use weak attacks that barely did any damage is them clearly not at their best.

It's impossible to say they are not at their best, if anything they were beyond their best (Immortals, infinite chakra, etc..). They didn't show everything they had because they got sealed. There is no such a thing even hinting at them not being at their best. They were brainless, they can't choose to stay around, it's how they are. And standing around is not showing everything they have, not that they weren't at their best.

to you as well my dear, next one who will post spoilerz here will have his message deleted - UB

[Rikudou King]

Never was proclaimed to be better than Itachi. Never was implied to be stronger than Nagato. Still, doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Hashirama > Kages, deal with it.

Sasuke was stated several times to possess more potential then Itachi and Shi states he was better at manipulating Amaterasu, and Obito spoke with Zetsu about Sasuke being stronger then Nagato would be meaningless for them if he couldn't be controlled. Since Itachi and Nagato > the Hokages, the connection is obvious.

Rinnegan is one of his secrets. When did I ask for anything like that ?

Well, that's how they were trying to take Itachi's\ Sasuke's eyes. Are we gonna make things up again ?

You asked what his secret was that Kabuto wanted.

Um, no it wasn't. They weren't attempting to transplant the brother's eyes, they were gonna take over their bodies, negating any drawbacks. Have you missed the entire Orochimaru storyline?

They weren't. Chidori was again, never showed or said to be pure chakra. I never said it wasn't as hot as sun, now did I ? I keep saying it just burns slowly.

Kimimaro was using his body, as I said before. Actually nothing was change, Katon no Jutsu and several other Jutsu are real life Ninja skills (don't know if they really do exist, but was believed as such back in times.)

It was, thus the whole thing about it being visible and them all being referred to as nothing but chakra. And again, the speed at which it burns has no effect upon the heat that it gives off. Put your hand above a lit candle. You can still feel the heat without the flames actually burning your hand.

Not his body, bone weapons he removed from his body. Real ninjutsu like Katon didn't actually involve "blowing" out fire, but setting a fire to cover one's escape.

But they are still elements. As I said, be them together or not, they are still counted as a chakra element.

But not in the same class as the basic five, which is the whole point. There is only five base natures.

The current chapter, is all I need to say. I win

Mmm, how so? Orochimaru uses some mysterious ninjutsu to get possessed and then cuts his stomach open with his own hands? That doesn't counter anything I claimed, about him overcoming the original sealing to regain the use of his arms and techniques. Most it shows is he hadn't completely solved the problem, which doesn't counter my argument at all.

That's not quite how it went, you really need to check it back. You gave me an example of weaker people defeating stronger people. Are you to provide me with an actual fact that Sarutobi was weaker than those two ? My argument as well, wasn't built on that. It was built on the freaking statement that he's the strongest Hokage. I simply gave him defeating the two Hokages as a feat when someone requested it.

Except that there was never a definite statement of him being stronger. It was always something like "he was believed" or "he was said to be". That all went out the window when we were not only told that Hashirama was "the pinnacle of the shinobi", but that no one was truly aware of Hashirama's true power or believed it.

Still winning.

Just because you say that, doesn't make it true. All it does is show you don't have any actual argument.

Assumption. Chakra coming out is what he meant by "a tiny bit of chakra will leak out", knowing that and still saying you're not desperate is just weird.

It's not an assumption when I give actual manga proof. And as I said, opening the seal has nothing to do with chakra coming out.

Yes it does. It's not that I don't understand, it's that you found no answer and now trying to avoid my question. What part ? The part that such a statement doesn't exist. And the part that even if such statement did exist, it never mentions they need him with both halves.

Considering no one else has had issue with it, I'm gonna stick with it doesn't. He outright mentions that sealing the whole thing is impossible, so he divided it to make it easy to seal. And he choose to die because he didn't want to live without Kushina. He went into a whole speech about it when she asked him why.

Held what ? He was using the Susanoo which draws his life force. Bold part...good for you.

Held Susanoo long enough for it to affect him. Itachi died of chakra lost, implanting the Amaterasu seal. And it is good for me, because I can actually read what is given to us from the series. Life force comes from the person's body cells.

It's impossible to say they are not at their best, if anything they were beyond their best (Immortals, infinite chakra, etc..). They didn't show everything they had because they got sealed. There is no such a thing even hinting at them not being at their best. They were brainless, they can't choose to stay around, it's how they are. And standing around is not showing everything they have, not that they weren't at their best.

How is it impossible? They didn't get sealed straight away, they were given plenty of time to fight, yet instead of employing their real strength, they mainly stood around doing nothing and then went in with weak taijutsu. Kabuto showed us Edo summons fighting at their best, and that them being directly controlled limited them. And if you acknowledge that they were brainless, then you're acknowledging they weren't at their best.

[Kisame Hoshigaki]

interesting thead, obviously it is all hypothetical

kishi left us with some plot holes, because sarutobi was certainly holding his own against the edo tensi versions of the 1st and 2nd

now if we are talking sarutobi vs edo madara i would just laugh myself all the way to the edo tensi state myself

but while he was alive.....

i still give the edge to madara,

but a plot hole is a polt hole, if the edo madara was stronger than the alive madara

then the edo 1st and 2nd should also be stronger than the alive version

so how could sarutobi , in an OLD WAY OUT OF HIS PRIME state, hold his own against a limitless chaakra version of the brothers....

interesting questions for mr kishi

[Hakuteiken]

The reason Edo Madara is superior to his prime version is because he has two unreal power-ups to boost his side, Rinnegan and Mokuton; perhaps the two most coveted unique power ever.
The jutsu shown in that Part I battle is vastly inferior to anything else shown in Part II. Technically speaking, a dying Itachi would mop the floor with all Kage participating in that battle. Actually, that holds true for the rest of the Akatsuki, Kabuto, revived Kage in the current war.

It's only Kishimoto's fault that we can't agree with what's stated or shown, because he himself made a mess of his own manga

[Schabrak]

Four power ups with immortality and nearly instant chakra regeneration. Of course that ET Madara in connection with the Juubi should be considered the strongest person in the Narutoverse right now, questioning or arguing against that makes that person look like a complete fool. ET might have gained those two extras too, but Rinnegan and Mokuton are obviously MASSIVE imbalanced power-ups, which put any S ranking ninja in a shitty position no matter how mighty they are. Naruto had the need to boost all five countries shinobi with their individual up-grades to finally clash with Madara, he on his own wouldn't have been able to do so, with Kyuubi or not.

The bickering between Rikudou King and KingOfNight was quiet entertaining, it made me all sparkly and nice inside.

My solution: Kishi lost sense of it all a loooooooooong time ago, arguing against/with contradictory statements can't lead to a real and satisfactorily solution, so just post whatever you think would be the end result, but stop stickling like little kids already.

P.S.: I dearly hope none of those four Hokage will get to fight anyone. Depending on their powers they could utilize their powers so much differently than with a restricting limit or charaka and HP, it wouldn't represent their "human" maximum at all, not equally at least.

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Mmm, how so? Orochimaru uses some mysterious ninjutsu to get possessed and then cuts his stomach open with his own hands? That doesn't counter anything I claimed, about him overcoming the original sealing to regain the use of his arms and techniques. Most it shows is he hadn't completely solved the problem, which doesn't counter my argument at all.

Where exactly does he use some mysterious ninjutsu? It's all about the mask possesing him. He could use his hands, just not form seals etc with his own hands using his own chakra, which he can now again.


Can any of you two write such a sentence: "Yes, you are right, I was wrong."? Kinda missing that within those hundreds of lines.

No need to be rude - UB

[Rikudou King]

Since there was a noted difference between the mask and the actual shinigami, I presumed the shinigami didn't exist inside the mask and therefore must have been called/summoned forth to the material world in order to proceed to the possession. I suppose I could be wrong and the shingami automatically get summoned the moment the mask was put on.

And I'll point out that I've been wrong twice in this very thread and attempted my mistake. I have no problem accepting when I'm wrong, I'm just not here. Even ignoring the shinigami/mask situation, there are still several available examples showing Orochimaru using his arms and ninjutsu, differently from when he was first sealed and couldn't even move his arms.

[KingOfNight]

Sasuke was stated several times to possess more potential then Itachi and Shi states he was better at manipulating Amaterasu, and Obito spoke with Zetsu about Sasuke being stronger then Nagato would be meaningless for them if he couldn't be controlled. Since Itachi and Nagato > the Hokages, the connection is obvious.

He was never said to have more potential than Itachi, manipulating Amaterasu, doesn't mean he's stronger. He was never said to be stronger than Nagato, he only said "even if he becomes stronger than Nagato".

You asked what his secret was that Kabuto wanted.

Um, no it wasn't. They weren't attempting to transplant the brother's eyes, they were gonna take over their bodies, negating any drawbacks. Have you missed the entire Orochimaru storyline?

And never had an answer.

Not missed, forgot. Still don't see how that helps the original argument (that they sought the Rinnegan.)

It was, thus the whole thing about it being visible and them all being referred to as nothing but chakra. And again, the speed at which it burns has no effect upon the heat that it gives off. Put your hand above a lit candle. You can still feel the heat without the flames actually burning your hand.

Not his body, bone weapons he removed from his body. Real ninjutsu like Katon didn't actually involve "blowing" out fire, but setting a fire to cover one's escape.

It was never said to be just chakra. Nor was anything about it being visible said. I never argued that the Amaterasu wasn't as hot as the sun, simply said it burns slowly. His bones are part of his body. I know, but the technique name haven't change, or the fact that it uses fire.

But not in the same class as the basic five, which is the whole point. There is only five base natures.

Which is why I said they aren't basic.

Mmm, how so? Orochimaru uses some mysterious ninjutsu to get possessed and then cuts his stomach open with his own hands? That doesn't counter anything I claimed, about him overcoming the original sealing to regain the use of his arms and techniques. Most it shows is he hadn't completely solved the problem, which doesn't counter my argument at all.

So I take it you aren't planning to give up ? He never used a mysterious Jutsu, and he said that once he get his arms back from the Shinigami, then he will be able to use Jutsus again. So they were sealed. I win this, quite being stubborn.

Except that there was never a definite statement of him being stronger. It was always something like "he was believed" or "he was said to be". That all went out the window when we were not only told that Hashirama was "the pinnacle of the shinobi", but that no one was truly aware of Hashirama's true power or believed it.

Opinion.

Just because you say that, doesn't make it true. All it does is show you don't have any actual argument.

Nope. I have a proof, you don't. I win.

It's not an assumption when I give actual manga proof. And as I said, opening the seal has nothing to do with chakra coming out.

You never gave proofs to anything. He said that his chakra will leak. You're seriously arguing against the most obvious of facts ?

Considering no one else has had issue with it, I'm gonna stick with it doesn't. He outright mentions that sealing the whole thing is impossible, so he divided it to make it easy to seal. And he choose to die because he didn't want to live without Kushina. He went into a whole speech about it when she asked him why.

So you admit the Kyuubi has only half it's power ?

Held Susanoo long enough for it to affect him. Itachi died of chakra lost, implanting the Amaterasu seal. And it is good for me, because I can actually read what is given to us from the series. Life force comes from the person's body cells.

How did you assume that he has to run out of chakra before using his life force ? It's good for you because you know when you're making assumptions.

How is it impossible? They didn't get sealed straight away, they were given plenty of time to fight, yet instead of employing their real strength, they mainly stood around doing nothing and then went in with weak taijutsu. Kabuto showed us Edo summons fighting at their best, and that them being directly controlled limited them. And if you acknowledge that they were brainless, then you're acknowledging they weren't at their best.

Being brainless simply stops them from using their emotions, they still remained at full power. All that you said is them not showing everything they've got. It's not that they weren't at their best.

[Hakuteiken]

He was never said to have more potential than Itachi, manipulating Amaterasu, doesn't mean he's stronger. He was never said to be stronger than Nagato, he only said "even if he becomes stronger than Nagato".

Well, I'll be fair with the argument here. I believe it was Itachi himself who saw more of a potential in Sasuke. Sasuke had the bigger chakra reserves out of the two. Comparing their Genjutsu isn't fair, since Itachi had more years to train, and to me, he was the real genius out of the siblings.
About Nagato, you are right. That was just pointing out a potential development over the time. Never it was stated anything to suggest Sasuke came anywhere close to Nagato.

Being brainless simply stops them from using their emotions, they still remained at full power. All that you said is them not showing everything they've got. It's not that they weren't at their best.

This is Shounen, where emotions matter the most. If you have no will power to win a fight, you'll never win it. That's why being puppets does matter a lot, actually. Their body capabilities were there, but being a ninja is hardly just about it, anyway.

[KingOfNight]

Well, I'll be fair with the argument here. I believe it was Itachi himself who saw more of a potential in Sasuke. Sasuke had the bigger chakra reserves out of the two. Comparing their Genjutsu isn't fair, since Itachi had more years to train, and to me, he was the real genius out of the siblings.
About Nagato, you are right. That was just pointing out a potential development over the time. Never it was stated anything to suggest Sasuke came anywhere close to Nagato.

I don't remember Itachi having said anything of the sort. Sasuke naturally had a bigger chakra reserve, this is unarguable. But it's because Itachi had a below average stamina and chakra reserve. Their father always saw that Itachi had more potential and was much more talented.

This is Shounen, where emotions matter the most. If you have no will power to win a fight, you'll never win it. That's why being puppets does matter a lot, actually. Their body capabilities were there, but being a ninja is hardly just about it, anyway.

This is indeed a Shounen where emotions matter to some extent. But this is not Fairy Tail where emotions give you an instant boost. Just because you have the will power to win, doesn't mean you're gonna win. Otherwise, Sasuke wouldn't have gotten almost killed against a sick Itachi, or Konoha wouldn't have been obliterated by one man nor will the newly trained and strong willed Naruto get owned in an instant by an emotionless handicapped Nagato.