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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
And I'll have to disagree with that. Nagato wasn't emotionless. Remember when Pain met Jiraiya and Jiraiya asked about Yahiko, he stated his death as if it was nothing, and against Naruto, while telling his story, he revealed his true side. In fact, if Nagato was really emotionless, he wouldn't be manipulated by Tobi in the first place.
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Itachi had a better Susanoo, better Tsukuyomi and Izanami.
I can only laugh at Sasuke's feat in overcoming Tsukuyomi against a sick Itachi, who was on his deathbed, not going all out, not going for the kill, nearly fully blind, pretending to want Sasuke's eyes, trying to force Orochimaru out of Sasuke's body and planned to die in this fight.
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In fact, if you re-read the chapter where we saw this genjutsu the first time, Itachi made it explicitly clear that only Sasuke can break free of it. Hence, this advantage is lost on me.
this Susanoo-level with his own eyes and he also showed feats in battle with it.
Sasuke only reached the armored version of Susanoo with his own eyes. He has absolutely no battle feats with this one, since he only fart it out for one second.
could have killed him. He asks himself why Itachi didn't. Not to mention that Kisame was suprised that Kakashi survived Tsukuyomi. That's proof enough that Itachi hold back and we all know why.
Fact of the matter is he had no idea Sasuke would survive that, and the fact he didn't burn away his whole body shows this was indeed some kind of test for Sasuke, and if he failed, Itachi was going to take his eyes to gain EMS himself.
Sasuke still broke Tsukuyomi with a regular Sharigan. Was it the same Tsukuyomi that nearly killed Kakashi? No, but it was still damn powerful.
Last edited by Delbi; February 03, 2013 at 05:10 PM.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-147-15...apter-142.html - Here it's clearly mentioned that only Sasuke can break free of it. He could've, but he turned it off himself, but not before giving him 96 hours of physical torture sensations. With Sasuke, he cannot accomplish so because of the blood-line link and his ability to overcome it.
You are again disregarding my points on Space/time manipulation. Whatever is in the moon world is subject to Itachi's whims. Note this, at least.
Last edited by shahdan; February 03, 2013 at 05:21 PM.
One of them showed feats with a full formed Susanoo, a perfect Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. The other one only showed feats with an armored version of Susanoo, a Tsukuyomi/MS Genjutsu, which was nowhere near Itachi's level and only trumps in excellent usage of Amaterasu. Not only that, Itachi also can use Izanami.
Itachi planned everything out. He played his part, Sasuke played his, even when launching every single MS technique.
Last edited by syx; February 03, 2013 at 05:44 PM.
And Itachi died from the combination of using Sussano, his illness, chakra exhaustion, not to mention the blow he took from Kirin.
As for the point of taking Sasuke's eyes and gaining EMS? Killing Obito. Obito fear Itachi, and Itachi, being the planner he is, could have figured if he couldn't save his brother, he might as well take his eyes and die trying to kill Obito I would think.
short in time, even without everything you listed.
Last edited by syx; February 03, 2013 at 06:13 PM.
Now did he take it easy on him in other ways? Of course, but in that instance it was either it would kill him or it wouldn't. He had no idea Sasuke could use Orochimaru's rebirth jutsu.
Itachi was a master planner who has a jutsu like Sussano and it's weapons. Konan came close to killing Obito, I have no doubt in mind that Itachi would have went after him as well. Whether or not he would have succeeded is another story. The fact that Obtio claimed that if he didn't hold secrets from Itachi he'd be dead shows Itachi was capable of killing him.
Last edited by Delbi; February 03, 2013 at 06:16 PM.
Itachi using handseals before launching Amaterasu, which gave Sasuke enough time to pull out that big shuriken and throw it at Itachi. Except this event, Kishi never showed us Itachi using handseals for Amaterasu. After 10-15 seconds, Itachi uses Amaterasu two times in a short time (#1 / #2)... without handseals.
The second Amaterasu was launched after Sasuke started to run away.
As for Itachi knowing or not knowing about Sasuke's ability to use Orochimaru's rebirth technique. Itachi also knew about Orochimaru's Yamata no Jutsu, he also knew that Sasuke didn't die against Deidara and he knew how Sasuke's Cursed Seal Level 2 looked like, even though he never saw him in that state. Things he actually shouldn't know, but he did.
Yes, I can't prove that Itachi knew about Sasuke's rebirth technique. But that's not really relevant. Nobody can show me a single panel, where it's stated that Itachi "tested" Sasuke and seriously hazarded his life.
In fact, Itachi himself stated that he wanted to be judged by Sasuke for his crimes. Hell, the last thing Sasuke said to Edo-Itachi was that he exists to destroy the village and Itachi still didn't do shit against him.
Konan didn't find Obito, it was Obito who decided to meet and fight her. Thanks to Izanagi, Obito was sure that he could take out Konan. But as you said, Obito was afraid of Itachi, which means he would teleport away as fast as he can.
Last edited by syx; February 03, 2013 at 07:44 PM.
And if itachi really want to kill sasuke with his amaterasu, he can shoot that directly to his face. The amaterasu was suppose to hit anyone on sight, but itachi didn't do that, and sasuke's speed isn't amazing enough to avoid being hit by amaterasu. So itachi was clearly holding back for sasuke's sake.