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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
If the story is going with the "Byodouin = bad guy", we need a scene where Byodouin serves a ball into the orphanage and set it on fire and killing all the kids inside. And he needs to be taking candy from a baby too.
After Oni's flashback, I have seriously no idea of who is going to win the match. Before it I was totally sure it was going to be a pretty easy Kin's victory.
Akutsu and Echizen yes, but Tokugawa at this moment trains just to defeat Byoudouin. That's lame.
He could have been travelling across the world as well, gaining experience against other countries that are better than Japan and there are probably loads.
Instead he is sulking because he lost a match to Byoudouin the best in the camp.
Whereas Atobe, Sanada and co. were aiming to win the Nationals as well as defeat Tezuka.
At this moment in time, Tokugawa says he would do anything to bt Byoudouin that he would die to do it.
I'm sorry but you are missing something if you think any of the MSers have said something as retarded as that.
It's funny that Byodouin is portrayed as the bad guy but unless he really did burned the orphanage down or kick sand in Tokugawa's face after he won, the only fault he has is that he happens to be the current #1 U17 player in Japan. He seems to treat Atobe with respect so I assume he's one of those (tennis) might is right kind of guy, and from his perspective he must be bewildered why all these ridiculously weak players are challenging him and his trusty sidekicks and crying about losing when tennis is obviously a death defying adventure. Yes his serve can shatter walls and his forehands probably can shake mountains, but it's not his fault that he's too strong.
I love Byoudouin. He seems like a cool guy. The way he accepted the MSers challenge after seeing they took out No.s 11-20, the way he welcomed Atobe to the Top 10, he's a good guy.
Sure he aimed a serve at the heads of Tokugawa and Ryoma, but hey, Ryoma aimed a serve a Kai Yuujiro's face but people forget that.
I can't see why Tokugawa is crying about how he's a meanie.
He basically said Tokugawa doesn't have testicles. That's d-bag status. There is no respectable way to attack a man's manhood.
Where is it stated that Byoudouin is a bad guy???
This might have been said in the anime and not the manga but wasn't Ryoma's main goal at one point just to beat his Dad?
Its never really stated that Byoudouin was the bad guy but he did try to attack Ryoma when Ryoga (Also Tokugawa) stepped in. Kinda gives the bad guy vibe.
Looking forward to seeing Ryoga play hopefully and the Oni/Byoudouin match.
Then again, Akutsu has told groups of people they are nothing but worthless trash.
In fact, a lot of people have told others in the camp that they are worthless trash i.e Date making Nakagauchi and Miyako aware that they are worthless trash.
Byoudouin's still a normal guy as it stands in PoT World.
wrong chapter, but what does it mean that the training is complete?
was oni training kintaro secretly? by being tougher on him?
or does it mean kintaro's personal self training is complete?
I got the feeling Oni sees the entire U17 camp as a training ground for raise someone who might be able to beat Byodouin, and that they must defeat him to complete their training because why would you expect someone to be able to beat Byodouin if they can't even beat Oni?
so if kintaro 's training is complete, do you think oni will just forfeit, or try to better him self.
i mean your explanation seems good, but i only heard only hint at helping momo shiro ( through verbal encouragement " rise up" momo shiro" or to akutsu, through negative comments.
Of course Oni isn't formally training anybody, but he makes himself available to pretty much every guy who wants a game. In POT the best way to get better is always exposure to top players and the fact that he's pretty much willing to play any random guy in a court shuffle shows he's quite willing to give the newbies the exposure they'd need to become better.