I WAS RIGHT - On Zetsu being the big bad

[badluckartist]

A while ago I began an insistence that Zetsu (specifically the black Zetsu) is actually the big bad, and is actually actually the one pulling all the strings behind strings. For there to be one more bad guy "behind" everything isn't unbelievable, it happens all the time in the Narutoverse. My fan-wank theory had something to do with Zetsu's true plan for this war to be to spread himself across many places in the world, 'sewing the seeds' as it were for something involving the jyuubi. I had gotten it into my head that Zetsu was the consciousness of the jyuubi. I have no idea where to look for those posts, but I was proud of my insane ramblings.

My original reasoning for this was that we know less about the black Zetsu than really anyone else in the series, and I thought I was dealt a horrible blow in that one chapter a lot of people didn't like. I thought "Since black Zetsu is so young, he couldn't be the one that started all this crap."

Months later, it hit me. This is actually proof of my near-random idea. The before-mysterious "black rods" got the exact same cripplingly over-simplified origin as being "the will of Madara". My current idea is that what Madara said is bullshit. He has no idea what the black rods are and just like Nagato, has no idea what they really did to him when Gedo Mazo (presumably) synced with him. But the reader does have an idea of what happens: even the gentle-hearted Nagato looks fucking crazy with power, almost instantly. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that Madara was transformed from someone who, while being frightfully powerful, was only about as much of an aimless asshole as Sasuke until he summoned the Gedo and (probably involuntarily) synced with it. Then he suddenly 'got the great idea' to revive the jyuubi. This would make Madara look as if he was dicking around with something he didn't understand, and he would (FOR ONCE) have to eat his own words about people abusing forbidden jutsu and the like.

My conclusion- the black rods are the will of the jyuubi, and the jutsu that Madara did to create Zetsu has nothing to do with "Madara's will", aside from that which overlaps with the jyuubi's own will. The black Zetsu is the black rods given human shape via Yin/Yang release. Further, since the white Zetsu all were grown from Gedo Mazo, and black Zetsu can merge with them, maybe he can merge with the Gedo itself, and by proxy, the jyuubi.

I wonder when we'll see Zetsu next. Man he sure got beat awful quickly Either he's waiting for Ivysaur jyuubi to evolve into Venusaur jyuubi or I fear I may be wrong. Also this theory being right would make his appearance here all the more poignant.

PS: This may also be why Tobi seems to have chosen not to sync with Gedo Mazo, and was instead attempting to get Sasuke to. He already noticed the influence from being merged with the white Zetsu (a creation of the Gedo), and didn't want to involuntarily lose anymore of his humanity than he already did. Or maybe he just couldn't. Idk lol

Bonus off-topic prediction: Tobi has two distinct personalities, like Zetsu.

The mask reveal was a red herring for his true 'traditional bad guy body modification reveal':

Sasori - really an adorable bishie inside of a tank monster
Deidara - fucking awesome chest mouth
Hidan - didn't need one; he could survive decapitation and that's good enough for this list
Kakuzu - the heart masks
Zetsu -
Itachi - the only clean one; makes sense since he's not a bad guy
Kisame - special case, his 'reveal modification' wasn't under his clothes per se, but in his sword
Konan - seems to be more paper than human (though apparently still human enough to be incapacitated with a damn pipe)
Pain - another 'different' one; Nagato, the emaciated 'real one' was the reveal itself
Orochimaru - sheds his skin to reveal the White Snake
Madara - had his armor blown off to reveal Hashirama's face
Kabuto - Snake sage mode counts, I guess

Tobi - Spiral Zetsu is still attached to him. When he was being cooky, fun Tobi, that was spiral Zetsu. It has since merged with him more completely, enabling him to spam the shit out of his version of Kamui. When his shirt is blown off completely we'll see his monstrous abdomen, probably complete with a talking Zetsu face that can move around on his body and cover his Obito face when it wants to take control.

Off-topic prediction: Shisui and Obito are more closely related, and both have blood from some other clan *cough Uzumaki* that resulted in their respective special Mangekyou. Madara "chose Obito wisely" indeed.

[chorns]

I think you're right, Black Zetsu said he was the land. Juubi is the land, and everything else. Maybe they're related?

[Sanga Au79]

If this holds true, then Madara is still control in terms of the Moons Eye and Juubi. If zetsu is the conscious form of the juubi via Hashiramas influence and black zetsu holds Madara's will that would mean Madara has some form of a living being with his chakra/energy/life force still attached (think oro curse seal but he created the entity he placed the seal on so he's in double control) which comes back to his current problem Obito THINKS he has of not being able to become the host of the juubi.

But that may in fact be what Madara doesnt want to do or if he does want to become its host, the Zetsu creations are the ace up his sleeve while he's misdirecting everyone and black zetsu is going to be a key catalyst in the final move.

[badluckartist]

I think you're right, Black Zetsu said he was the land. Juubi is the land, and everything else. Maybe they're related?

"I am the land." That chapter made me proportionately excited to how miserable I felt when Madara zapped Black Zetsu into existence. The black rods and Zetsu seem to be similar in nature, and the black rods come from the Gedo. If they were Madara's will, wouldn't they come out of Madara >_> I wouldn't doubt it if we cut back to a flashback with Madara again, this time showing Madara stabbing himself with the black rods to see if they give him power like Hashirama's cells did. Suddenly he has a flash of insight into how to stop all the suffering in the world in a way that only the mighty, superior sharingan can do. 'All you have to do, child, is resurrect the jyuubi'. That, and it gives some sort of precedence for how the hell Madara 'figured out' how to use the Six Paths implants (so that Tobi could pass the knowledge down to Nagato).

[Kid Chameleone]

madara connected to the gedo brought about the black rods due to his will influencing it? i like this theory but maybe the black zetsu is like a fail safe, in case obito decides to switch teams he has someone/himself to watch his back. i think youre on to something though, this is legit

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omg crazy thought! sasuke killed the original white zetsu so do you think the black one is gonna be free to do and go where ever, whenever? he always seemed to be the one in control so do you think his new found freedom will affect what he does? i wanna see him fight, the only akatsuki that hasnt done jack yet

[number12michael]

A while ago I began an insistence that Zetsu (specifically the black Zetsu) is actually the big bad, and is actually actually the one pulling all the strings behind strings. For there to be one more bad guy "behind" everything isn't unbelievable, it happens all the time in the Narutoverse. My fan-wank theory had something to do with Zetsu's true plan for this war to be to spread himself across many places in the world, 'sewing the seeds' as it were for something involving the jyuubi. I had gotten it into my head that Zetsu was the consciousness of the jyuubi. I have no idea where to look for those posts, but I was proud of my insane ramblings.

My original reasoning for this was that we know less about the black Zetsu than really anyone else in the series, and I thought I was dealt a horrible blow in that one chapter a lot of people didn't like. I thought "Since black Zetsu is so young, he couldn't be the one that started all this crap."

Months later, it hit me. This is actually proof of my near-random idea. The before-mysterious "black rods" got the exact same cripplingly over-simplified origin as being "the will of Madara". My current idea is that what Madara said is bullshit. He has no idea what the black rods are and just like Nagato, has no idea what they really did to him when Gedo Mazo (presumably) synced with him. But the reader does have an idea of what happens: even the gentle-hearted Nagato looks fucking crazy with power, almost instantly. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that Madara was transformed from someone who, while being frightfully powerful, was only about as much of an aimless asshole as Sasuke until he summoned the Gedo and (probably involuntarily) synced with it. Then he suddenly 'got the great idea' to revive the jyuubi. This would make Madara look as if he was dicking around with something he didn't understand, and he would (FOR ONCE) have to eat his own words about people abusing forbidden jutsu and the like.

My conclusion- the black rods are the will of the jyuubi, and the jutsu that Madara did to create Zetsu has nothing to do with "Madara's will", aside from that which overlaps with the jyuubi's own will. The black Zetsu is the black rods given human shape via Yin/Yang release. Further, since the white Zetsu all were grown from Gedo Mazo, and black Zetsu can merge with them, maybe he can merge with the Gedo itself, and by proxy, the jyuubi.

I wonder when we'll see Zetsu next. Man he sure got beat awful quickly Either he's waiting for Ivysaur jyuubi to evolve into Venusaur jyuubi or I fear I may be wrong. Also this theory being right would make his appearance here all the more poignant.

PS: This may also be why Tobi seems to have chosen not to sync with Gedo Mazo, and was instead attempting to get Sasuke to. He already noticed the influence from being merged with the white Zetsu (a creation of the Gedo), and didn't want to involuntarily lose anymore of his humanity than he already did. Or maybe he just couldn't. Idk lol

Bonus off-topic prediction: Tobi has two distinct personalities, like Zetsu.

The mask reveal was a red herring for his true 'traditional bad guy body modification reveal':

Sasori - really an adorable bishie inside of a tank monster
Deidara - fucking awesome chest mouth
Hidan - didn't need one; he could survive decapitation and that's good enough for this list
Kakuzu - the heart masks
Zetsu -
Itachi - the only clean one; makes sense since he's not a bad guy
Kisame - special case, his 'reveal modification' wasn't under his clothes per se, but in his sword
Pain - another 'different' one; Nagato, the 'real one' was the reveal itself
Orochimaru - sheds his skin to reveal the White Snake
Madara - had his armor blown off to reveal Hashirama's face
Kabuto - Snake sage mode counts, I guess

Tobi - Spiral Zetsu is still attached to him. When he was being cooky, fun Zetsu, that was spiral zetsu. It has since merged with him more completely, enabling him to spam the shit out of his version of Kamui. When his shirt is blown off completely we'll see his monstrous abdomen, probably complete with a talking Zetsu face that can move around on his body and cover his Obito face when it wants to take control.

What about Konan ?

[badluckartist]

What about Konan ?

Well, "frequently made entirely of paper" was pretty damn awesome. Very few ninja can just ambiently 'become' something else. Only Suigetsu's ability springs to mind, and he pales in comparison to what Konan did. Orochimaru's transformation was actually pretty similar in function. Too bad Tsunade can't use Katsuya's split... to have tiny Tsunades running around, making tiny giant craters from tiny mega punches... I've gone on a tangent. I'll add Konan later, thanks for reminding me.

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madara connected to the gedo brought about the black rods due to his will influencing it? i like this theory but maybe the black zetsu is like a fail safe, in case obito decides to switch teams he has someone/himself to watch his back. i think youre on to something though, this is legit

---------- Post added at 08:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:38 AM ----------

omg crazy thought! sasuke killed the original white zetsu so do you think the black one is gonna be free to do and go where ever, whenever? he always seemed to be the one in control so do you think his new found freedom will affect what he does? i wanna see him fight, the only akatsuki that hasnt done jack yet

If Obito's falling into Madara's lap was truly an accident, black Zetsu was Madara's only plan before Tobi took things on a collision course to wacky. This gives a lot more importance to a character that was seemingly beat so easily. Wonder if Zetsu would have gone out of his way to attack Konoha or declare ninja war. Naw, he would have stayed in the shadows until the jyuubi was resurrected, with nobody the wiser until they were all wiped out... Especially since there would have been nobody around to provoke Naruto into becoming a savior.

I don't think that was the "original" white Zetsu, considering how black Zetsu was always explaining things to it that would be common knowledge between the two if they had been working together for decades. Instead I'm pretty sure black Zetsu has cycled through many white Zetsu over the course of his 'life', and thus has never been under any real constraints except that which may have been placed into his personality by Madara and/or the jyuubi.

PS: Awesome name. Fun old game.

[Wwallace]

Seriously, this is one of those theories i would support till the end.

Maybe this is a method to the juubi revive itself, if somehow someone gets the rinnegan(i dont know what to say here but, why and how you would know to summon the mazou?) they will get a bright moment and summon the mazou and will sync with it and get info on sage's stuff(or juubi's sutff)(or maybe the info goes down for generations), maybe after you sync with the mazou a plan of get all the bijuu's back into the mazou will appear in your mind but you wouldn't notice its not your plan(lets say, like koto) - I would say this i what happened with Madara And Nagato

[badluckartist]

Seriously, this is one of those theories i would support till the end.

Maybe this is a method to the juubi revive itself, if somehow someone gets the rinnegan(i dont know what to say here but, why and how you would know to summon the mazou?) they will get a bright moment and summon the mazou and will sync with it and get info on sage's stuff(or juubi's sutff)(or maybe the info goes down for generations), maybe after you sync with the mazou a plan of get all the bijuu's back into the mazou will appear in your mind but you wouldn't notice its not your plan(lets say, like koto) - I would say this i what happened with Madara And Nagato

I've thought for a long time that Infinite Tsukuyomi is bullshit. It's the juubi's manipulation of Madara to bring all the beasts together- nothing more than a reflection of Madara's general fantasy of imposing his will on the world. Just like Madara/Tobi had their own plan behind Nagato's nuclear-peace plan. I hope Obito gets his way, tries to launch the jutsu, and it just doesn't work. And then is immediately killed by the fully resurrected juubi, which I can't help but feel will look like the Soul King in Bleach.

[shahdan]

Obito will definitely - or as I think - turn out to be related to Uzumaki through his mom or dad. How else will he completely side with Naruto? He already spewed cliches concerning how 'him and Naruto are alike'. This could be a portentous affirmation of cliched events to follow. I highly agree (only) on your off-topic post. Not sure about Shisui though.

[Exodi]

I, for one, really hope Obito sticks to his evil ways and is not influenced by Naruto. I'd like to see him die still being the villian. I don't want to sympathize with him. It'd be a nice change from Neji, Gaara, Pain, etc.

[Sanadan]

Well since the Uchiha now have some sort of neurological damage the chance of Obito becoming nice again should be wiped out unless Naruto becomes a brain surgeon.

[Kiba]

this is a nice theory but too good thought out for masashi if you ask me

[shinsengumi]

i have nothing against your theory but i missed the part where you proved you were right as the topic suggests

[Dutchy]

If this is the case, then I would have expected Zetsu [black] to stay in the shadows during the war as oppose to engaging in direct combat. Now he's under the threat of death with little chance of reuniting with the Jyuubi.