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Translations: Gintama 506 (2)
Blackbeard excels in close combat, he scarred Shanks even before having any fruit. And it wasn't a fluke or something, he was formidable enough for Shanks to make a special trip to go warn Whitebeard not to send Ace after Blackbeard.
If Enel was able to avoid basically everything, like you're saying, then he wouldn't have been hit by the large ball of gold on Luffy fist. That's how he was defeated. He saw it coming, couldn't evade it, was injured by it even though he was hit by the gold, not Luffy's rubber body.
So really now...
Blackbeard utterly defeated Ace, a logia at least as powerful as Enel (Ace's bounty was 550 million, Oda said Enel's would be 500 million). So based off of what we've actually seen happen in the manga, Blackbeard wins this.
Yes, I agree Blackbeard excels in Close Combat, but Enel excels at fighting from range and staying out of Close Combat. The match-up is unfavourable to Blackbeard - I'm not saying he's weak, I'm saying Enel has the advantage due to his powers.
Enel was defeated by a single blow from Luffy, yes. While in his giant (possibly immobile) form. Which he went into to use an attack that would have killed Luffy were he not made of Rubber. Luffy says it himself while running down Enel's arm - 'That won't work on me!' Enel, before going into his giant form, was only hit by Luffy's random attacks - such as deflecting them off a wall. Once in giant form he was slower, but much more powerful. Were he to go into that form vs Blackbeard, then Blackbeard could and would definitely hit him. But that's assuming BB survives the lightning onslaught that's hitting him, and even if he can grab onto Enel to neutralise his powers while in giant form, then since Enel's body is made of lightning - moreso than just a logia, he was actually a giant lightning god - so there's nothing saying BB won't get electrocuted. This is like the Shiki fight all over again - the final blow is always going to be set up in some way special, or else it would just be used from the start.
And as for being hit by the gold, Enel described it when Luffy was spinning the orb around, in order to disrupt the electricity - the orb conducts electricity, so it's drawn into it. That's why the lightning ball broke up, because the power was drawn into the gold ball and then not into Luffy due to his rubber power. By the same logic, Enel's armour of lightning would have been drawn into the golden ball too, meaning he has less defence and can't move. When the ball hits him, he's in full lightning god mode, and then when he hits the bell, he's not. He's back to normal. There were so many circumstances in Luffy's favour (as always in big battles) that Enel losing is almost meaningless. Ace, on the other hand, had a fair fight with Blackbeard, both going all out, and Blackbeard won, although it was close. Ace did manage to ignite BB a few times, and then went and stuck two flaming spears through him. Ace, in an even fight, was close to Blackbeard. Luffy, in a fight wherethe most vital aspect was in his favour - Enel's DF was useless for both attacking and defending vs Luffy - only just managed to come away victorious.
I'm sorry, but saying 'Blackbeard defeated Ace, with a Logia, therefore he'd defeat Enel' is just nonsense...
Didn't Blackbeard say something about his DF absorbs the pain and that's why he can't change into that "gas" state like normal Logia users. If it does absorb pain, I'm not sure how Blackbeard can last against Enel's 100 million volt attacks.
I just couldn't imagine what Enel could do after Blackbeard casts a Kurouzu. Even Whitebeard could not hit him with his devil fruit. He could even just absorb the big lightning ball if he wishes too but that would be OP. Enel could have a chance if he knows Busoshoku Haki and hit him with his trident but unfortunately I don't think he knows it yet.
oh dont take me too seriouslyQuote:
and how would a hakiimbued trident make more damage then a trident heatet to a high degree? Ist still a piercing weapon and you dont need something to hit blackbeard, because he attracts the damage...
Going by their powers they are literally equal, BB with his two DFs and Enel with his Mantra and uber powerful DF can really do some damage. It's just that we met them in different set ups in the story, that is why it is harder to judge them. Let's look at it this way, let them fight for a couple of times, I am sure Enel can take some and BB can take some. In the end one might take one or two fights, that are not to the death of course, but rather than that we can just go by our intuition to who might that be. I kind of take it for BB he has the will to survive and to fight, maybe not genuine but certainly a descent amount.
Enel may or may not have CoA Haki, which is why he's not going to beat the likes of Aokiji or Kizaru. However, against BB he's pretty much the perfect counter - can move as fast as thunder to avoid being sucked in by his powers (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2371-...apter-264.html - that's serious distance covered in no time), specialises in long-range combat, being able to inflict massive damage from great range, and has incredible CoO haki, coupled with his DF powers, that let him dodge clse-combat attacks with ease.
BB is fantastically strong, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but the match-up is perfectly suited for Enel.
Still Kazu isn't explaining how Enel defeats Teach D: I'm waiting that for argue.
Really, to me someone who scratch Shanks' face, whom stay in battle with Mihawk or Whitebeard, to be defeated by a simple logia is a completely nonsense.
So far Enel has shown better usage of his Haki, better Agility, Speed and pure Endurance and durability.
Enel has shown himself to be far, far superior in ranged combat. As for damaging BB, I've already pointed out Thor and Julungul, which are incredibly powerful at range. But, if you insist, Enel could also shock BB with any range of volts to damage him - he may have great endurance, but he still feels pain, as shown when Ace kept setting him on fire - when he gets close, one of those could do some damage and stun BB enough for Enel to get away. Alternatively, if BB is trying to hide and strike at the opportune time, Enel could use Sango to electrocute him from range. Or, of course, BB could try to suck Enel in, and he could go into his Amaru mode and fry him like that. Zoro, who was shown to have pretty nuts endurance (taking all of Luffy's fatigue after the Moria battle, for instance) was OHKO'd by an Enel who was A) not fighting seriously in any way, shape or form and B) fighting off Robin (OHKO'd) and Wiper (who killed Enel. Of course, that's not gunna stop him...)
Even if you are 100% right, BB is far, far stronger, and manages to OHKO Enel, then Enel can bring himself back to life.]. Sure, BB could neutralise it, but it would work at least once as a surprise attack, and you surely can't be saying that a surprised Blackbeard could take an attack that destroys islands, are you?
Shanks says he wasn't being careless, talking about how strong Blackbeard is.
Enel showed raw destructive power that rivals the admirals, close combat skills that rival Mihawk, the speed of Rayleigh or Kizaru, and the total Devil Fruit mastery of Luffy - although, of course, his devil fruit is far, far stronger than Luffy's. His biggest weakness, IE potential lack of CoA Haki, doesn't matter one iota vs a Logia user who's logia increases damage they take. Victory to Enel.
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Btw., which manga chapter was shown that Ace was fighting equal against Smoker? If I remember right, it was just a filler and they forgot that Ace has a haki.
Last edited by SuperPeon; January 09, 2013 at 09:36 PM. Reason: Forgot something to add.
And since when did BB become physically stronger than Luffy? Out of all his showings, i dont see where you get this assumption.