Not a member? Register now!
Announcements
Manga returns! Catch up with the details. Enjoy downloading, translating, and scanlating manga HERE legally!
Like us on Facebook, follow us on Twitter! Celebrate another year with MH and read our yearbook.
Manga News: Check out this week's new manga (8/25/14 - 8/31/14).
Forum News: Visit new sections for Nisekoi and Kingdom!
Translations: Gintama 507 (2)

View Poll Results: Who wins?

Voters
64. You may not vote on this poll
  • Blackbeard

    33 51.56%
  • Enel

    31 48.44%
Thread Closed
Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 83

Thread: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

  1. #31
    Banned 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Country
    Chile
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    879
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Teach is not a coward, he only use everything in his power to take advantage, like a true pirate. He's D, he killed Commander Thatch and hurt a Yonko without fruit.

    Right now, the very discussion is whether Enel knockout Teach before he get a hold to defeat him in one-punch. The agility Vs the resistance, which one keep it longer? It's stated that D.'s has great powers aside if they are chosen to be "Pirate King". So we're talking about one of the best examples of willpower and physical stats in the series. After seeing Teach being affected by fire spears piercing his body or affected by a wave of liquid poison and even take in a world- earthquake directly to his neck, i have to say that this is true, his resistance is outstanding, more than Zoro's or Luffy's.

    What has Enel to upload his agilty? Moving at lightning speed... Kenbunshoku Haki. Yeah, great stats indeed, but this ones aren't working on close combat... as when all his better techniques (those that immediately work on his opponent) wouldn't work on Teach who can absorb elements like fire, so i'm sure electricity is incluided.

    Judging they are going to fight on a plain terrain, Teach also use Blackhole.... Enel is able to fly? No, then this kind of attack (with a diameter close enough to a mountain) is the best option to drag out Enel into the dimension of darkness... then is an automatical knockout. Also i stated that this technique can make the terrain a plain one.

    When i argued the Kurouzu, which you counterargue very well, with a straight attack like Thor is when this battle is put on Teach side little by little, because his resistance is the great point that will allow him to endure... is fighting with strategy, not even Haki is able to counteract changing the battlefield to your own good.

    After an extended and painfully battle, the one with most probabilities to win, is Teach.

  2. Like 1 Member(s) likes this post
  3. #32
    Registered User 初心者/ Shoshinsha / Beginner
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Country
    Philippines
    Age
    30
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    21
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymizzo View Post
    Him getting pulled is really not going to hinder him escaping or moving away now is it? Its not like the pull is so strong or instant, Enel has plenty of time to do quite a lot. Infact i think it was Kazu who explained how BB should not even try to pull or come into close range with Enel because of the potential of heavy damage being rained upon him.

    And since when did BB become physically stronger than Luffy? Out of all his showings, i dont see where you get this assumption.
    In the Impel down, Luffy punched Blackbeard but wasn't strong enough then Blackbeard punched him as well and he spit more blood. Pretty much sure that after using Kurouzu CARELESSLY against Enel, both will acquire a lot of damage. But do you remember when BB was punching WB? WB was helpless because his fruit was powerless against his darkness. He could even suck Enel into darkness. O yea. KO!

  4. #33
    Registered User 上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member Josear XIII's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Country
    Dominican Republic
    Age
    27
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    310
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    I give my vote to Enel, because people forget that the so called mantra is one of the branch of Haki which makes enel a powerful haki user, also, he doesnt need to go all lightnings on black beard, remember how he bashed luffy with rad staff fighting skiills, the guy is a monster by himself, has gomu gomu no mi not existed, enel would have won everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPeon View Post
    In the Impel down, Luffy punched Blackbeard but wasn't strong enough then Blackbeard punched him as well and he spit more blood. Pretty much sure that after using Kurouzu CARELESSLY against Enel, both will acquire a lot of damage. But do you remember when BB was punching WB? WB was helpless because his fruit was powerless against his darkness. He could even suck Enel into darkness. O yea. KO!
    Luffy spit more blood because blackbeard nullify DF power by touch, now any haki user can beat blackbeard no mater what fruit he has, and enel is arrogant he wouldnt go into a fist fight with BB.

    Has any of you considered that Enel could just (considering how arrogant he is) flash appear near BB and flash disappear after whopping BB's skull with the mothaF^%@%# IRON ROD that he has? only doing that would KICK in every sense BB. Since he is slow and would not be able to react to the speed of enel's lighting body and in case he tries to catch up, there's always mantra to predict his next move. WOW

    I DARE SOMEONE TO COUNTER THAT STRATEGY
    Last edited by Josear XIII; January 10, 2013 at 12:16 AM.

  5. #34
    Registered User 中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member Leonsagara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    America
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    226
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    You can't really say that all of BB's feats were cowardly. He's actually pretty brazen and often overestimates himself, like when he thought he could take out WB by himself. He also fought Ace face-to-face and was able to beat him. Don't forget that Ace was one of WB's commanders, who were shown to be able to at least hold their own against the admirals(until they got distracted). I don't think Enel would have fared so well against an admiral, since Luffy managed to beat him pre-TS. Even if Luffy was Enel's natural enemy, that doesn't say much about Enel's strength or ability to take a beating. BB would definitely win. Once BB gets Enel in his clutches, it will just take one Gura Gura punch to take him out.

  6. Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked this post
  7. #35
    Registered User 上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member Josear XIII's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Country
    Dominican Republic
    Age
    27
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    310
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonsagara View Post
    You can't really say that all of BB's feats were cowardly. He's actually pretty brazen and often overestimates himself, like when he thought he could take out WB by himself. He also fought Ace face-to-face and was able to beat him. Don't forget that Ace was one of WB's commanders, who were shown to be able to at least hold their own against the admirals(until they got distracted). I don't think Enel would have fared so well against an admiral, since Luffy managed to beat him pre-TS. Even if Luffy was Enel's natural enemy, that doesn't say much about Enel's strength or ability to take a beating. BB would definitely win. Once BB gets Enel in his clutches, it will just take one Gura Gura punch to take him out.
    Ok enel was shocked to see that luffy could get his blast, and luffy's strategy for beating every boss is almost the same so we cant go taking that as if enel is bad or good at ability just on that (luffy had to win if not bye bye one piece the series is over so come on, please) Against black beard i have already stated a perfect strategy (and well based in Enel's personality) that will grant him victory over BB.

    Lets focus here, cowardice is something pirates dont know, cheat lie and steal, like ninjas dont have honor, so lets stop at that and grant them whatever they do. I consider the strategy i planted is not a serious warrior vs warrior strategy, hitting your skull from the back without you being able to react every time is not cool, but hey they dont care.

  8. #36
    Registered User 初心者/ Shoshinsha / Beginner
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Country
    Philippines
    Age
    30
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    21
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Josear XIII View Post
    I give my vote to Enel, because people forget that the so called mantra is one of the branch of Haki which makes enel a powerful haki user, also, he doesnt need to go all lightnings on black beard, remember how he bashed luffy with rad staff fighting skiills, the guy is a monster by himself, has gomu gomu no mi not existed, enel would have won everything.



    Luffy spit more blood because blackbeard nullify DF power by touch, now any haki user can beat blackbeard no mater what fruit he has, and enel is arrogant he wouldnt go into a fist fight with BB.

    Has any of you considered that Enel could just (considering how arrogant he is) flash appear near BB and flash disappear after whopping BB's skull with the mothaF^%@%# IRON ROD that he has? only doing that would KICK in every sense BB. Since he is slow and would not be able to react to the speed of enel's lighting body and in case he tries to catch up, there's always mantra to predict his next move. WOW

    I DARE SOMEONE TO COUNTER THAT STRATEGY
    Do you think that Enel could be faster than Whitebeard? You're giving way too much speed for Enel in your imagination. It doesn't mean you have a haki, you're a godlike already. I believe Enel doesn't cast lightnings automatically. He would have to charge it like BB would. I really believe that Enel wouldn't be able to move after Kurouzu. Do you remember when Waipa jumped in to Enel? He wasn't able to move... I believe that BB's darkness would also drain opponent's fruit power. He will just Kurouzo Enel and Gura Gura his face

  9. #37
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member Sachsenhesse's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Country
    Germany
    Age
    27
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    928
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Wowow. Enels need to charge his attacks?

    That guy sticked his finger onto Sanji and Sanji was down. Also did i read BB is strong because he survived Magellans Hydra? Heck that guy was oneshotted right there only his new Mate could save him, his Darkness did nothing against the poison.

    Enel not faster as Whietbeard? Where did Whitebeard did show some serious speed? D: This isnt dragonball were the fastest equals the strongest. WB was a Tank with godly destrcution power, Enel is a Speedmonster with the strongest Observation Haki we have seen so far.

    Did i read the seastone case with Wiper too? That case were Enel resurrected himself thanks to his Fruit?

  10. #38
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member Kazu-Sama's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Oxford, UK
    Country
    United Kingdom
    Age
    23
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    715
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPeon View Post
    Do you think that Enel could be faster than Whitebeard? You're giving way too much speed for Enel in your imagination. It doesn't mean you have a haki, you're a godlike already. I believe Enel doesn't cast lightnings automatically. He would have to charge it like BB would. I really believe that Enel wouldn't be able to move after Kurouzu. Do you remember when Waipa jumped in to Enel? He wasn't able to move... I believe that BB's darkness would also drain opponent's fruit power. He will just Kurouzo Enel and Gura Gura his face
    I've said all this before, but oh well.

    Enel is faster than Whitebeaard. Enel has been shown to move at the speed of lightning. That's a manga fact, indisputable. So yes, I do believe Enel could be faster than whitebeard. I get the impression people need to re-read the Skypeia arc...

    Charging attacks? Again, re-read the Skypeia arc. I reckon there are a lot more attacks when Enel just prods someone at they get electrocuted than times you see Enel struggling to beat someone while they attack him and he charges his powers...

    Wiper vs Enel - Wiper used seastone to freeze Enel (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2382-...apter-275.html) Enel wasn't hit by the shot, yet it still nullified his DF. God knows how, but oh well. BB has specificially stated, and proved, he needs to be in physical contact with his opponent, he needs to grab them. So, hypothetically, say you're are right and he can Kurouzo Enel, and grab him - completely ignoring Enel's mantra, metal staff, agility, and incredible physical strength - Do you think Enel will just stand there, be sucked in, and not counter-attack? Enel's destructive power was shown to be much, much higher than Ace's, and Ace did some damage while being sucked in.

    While I'm at it, Enel vs Luffy is not a fight you can use to judge Enel's strength. Enel had his powers completely neutralised. Now, if Blackbeard were to beat up Luffy without being able to use any part of his Yami Yomi no mi, then I'll accept that Blackbeard is stronger. But he didn't. Not even close...

    Ace was shown to be strong, but he also seemed to be a lot weaker than the admirals. Plus, you can't use 'Blackbeard beat Ace, Ace is strong, so Blackbeard could be Enel who's also strong' as an argument, as that's just nonsense.


    I'm now going to list a whole load of links to the manga which support my argument, just so I don't have to do it again...

    http://www.mangareader.net/103-2383-...apter-276.html - Thor used vs Wiper. It has a small charge time, admittedly, but the destructive power is undeniable, and the charge time isn't exactly long (It took longer to absorb Ace using Kurouzo, for instance)

    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_p...6/c241/12.html shows the destructive power of Thor again. This is one of Enel's standard attacks, before he goes serious. Enel can, and will, do serious damage if he uses it.

    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_p...9/c274/16.html. Robin had seen at least one Admiral, plus the strength of Luffy and co. She claims Enel is invincible.

    http://www.mangareader.net/103-2371-...apter-264.html - Enel moves at the speed of Lightning.

    Oh, yeah, found this - http://www.mangareader.net/103-2384-...apter-277.html. Enel blasted a hole in the floor with an attack that's him not even going serious.

    http://www.mangareader.net/103-2371-...apter-264.html shows Enel electrocuting Kamikiri through his spear - even if BB does manage to grab hold of Enel and neutralise his DF, Enel can just electrocute him.

    http://www.mangareader.net/103-2377-...apter-270.html - see that little bit of lightning? That was Enel. He can teleport if he wants - Useful for avoiding the highly-directional Kurouzo...

    Now, all of this is Enel not fighting seriously - if this in inadequate I'll link to more pages of his fight vs Luffy (when his powers were nullified), although I do think it proves my point...

  11. Like 1 Member(s) likes this post
  12. #39
    Registered User 上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member Josear XIII's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Country
    Dominican Republic
    Age
    27
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    310
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    KAZU-SAMA YOU ROCK

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPeon View Post
    Do you think that Enel could be faster than Whitebeard? You're giving way too much speed for Enel in your imagination. It doesn't mean you have a haki, you're a godlike already. I believe Enel doesn't cast lightnings automatically. He would have to charge it like BB would. I really believe that Enel wouldn't be able to move after Kurouzu. Do you remember when Waipa jumped in to Enel? He wasn't able to move... I believe that BB's darkness would also drain opponent's fruit power. He will just Kurouzo Enel and Gura Gura his face
    Wow, first like kazu-sama says, Re-read Sky arc

    Second, Enel would be only using his lighting speed to whoop his skull with a rod, I never said he would charge lighting based attack, re-read my strategy.

    Third The BB DF power needs to be in direct contact with the user to suppress his power, re read Ace vs BB.

    So thats that

    It seems this fight will be like the 4th Hokage Vs Itachi where i dont know in what universe the 4th hokage would be itachi, but everyone voted the 4th hokage, poor Enel, I mean when he gets to face Gol. D or Rayleigh he's fucked but come' on guys there are a handful of One piece characters that will utterly kick BB behind

  13. #40
    Registered User 下級員 / Kakyuuin / Jr. Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Country
    Austria
    Age
    22
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    79
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Enel is the Raikage of Naruto, the Laxus from Fairy Tail and the Sasakibe of Bleach, combined and even much more stronger!

    Lightning kicks ass, and I dont think Enel will underestimate BB, like Luffy and all the others in Skypia arc. Its time to go Blackbeard!

  14. Like 1 Member(s) likes this post
  15. #41
    Banned 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Country
    Chile
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    879
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Josear XIII View Post
    Has any of you considered that Enel could just (considering how arrogant he is) flash appear near BB and flash disappear after whopping BB's skull with the mothaF^%@%# IRON ROD that he has? only doing that would KICK in every sense BB. Since he is slow and would not be able to react to the speed of enel's lighting body and in case he tries to catch up, there's always mantra to predict his next move. WOW

    I DARE SOMEONE TO COUNTER THAT STRATEGY
    I take the challenge!

    The second time Enel goes near Teach to strike. This right-side part is waiting for him. I called it Vertical Blackhole

    Easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazu-Sama View Post
    http://www.mangareader.net/103-2377-...apter-270.html - see that little bit of lightning? That was Enel. He can teleport if he wants - Useful for avoiding the highly-directional Kurouzo...

    Now, all of this is Enel not fighting seriously - if this in inadequate I'll link to more pages of his fight vs Luffy (when his powers were nullified), although I do think it proves my point...
    Enel cannot teleport, he moves just like anyone but in a electrical way. It means that gravity can absorb it either electrical or physical.

    About fighting serious, i though that was obvious for all the versus.

  16. Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked this post
    Like 1 Member(s) likes this post
  17. #42
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member Kazu-Sama's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Oxford, UK
    Country
    United Kingdom
    Age
    23
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    715
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Arashi View Post
    Enel cannot teleport, he moves just like anyone but in a electrical way. It means that gravity can absorb it either electrical or physical.

    About fighting serious, i though that was obvious for all the versus.
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_p...46/c441/9.html - in the interest of a balanced argument I read this and thought it should be brought up - BB specifically saying thunder can be absorbed. But I presume he means lightning...

    Still, the same page shows BB using Kurouzo on Ace, and sucking in Ace. Not Ace and the ruins he was on, not even his hat, just Ace. So with that and Enel's ability to move at speed, plus the time it takes to use Kurouzo (it's shown to have more of a charge-up time than most of Enel's attacks), he can move enough to not get sucked in. Kurouzo is powerful, but it's very, very directional. His Black Hole attack can be dodged by Enel even jumping, as Ace on his small patch of building wasn't sucked in...

    Plus, http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_p...6/c441/11.html shows BB saying he needs to be in physical contact to neutralise his powers. And Enel, with all his speed and power, makes excellent use of his staff, as shown in his fight with Luffy. Plus, his Mantra uses have already been shown in avoiding attacks.

    The point about fighting serious was that everything I've linked to here involving Enel is him not fighting seriously. He's enjoying the game, trying about as much as the admirals did vs the vast amounts of WB fodder. He's that powerful when not being serious, so if he goes all out (vs someone without Luffy's Plothax) then the damage he'll be able to cause will be even larger...

    Epic Brofist!

  18. #43
    Registered User 中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member Leonsagara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    America
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    226
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    In reference to the page you referred to, Blackbeard says his fruit precisely sucks in the DF user's body. That's why the ruins around Ace didn't move, only Ace himself did. Precisely targeting the body also suggests that once you're targeted, there's no escape, even for someone as fast as Enel. You can't run fast enough to escape gravity. And where did it show to have a charge-up time? BB just uses it instantly in that page.

  19. #44
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member Kazu-Sama's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Oxford, UK
    Country
    United Kingdom
    Age
    23
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    715
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonsagara View Post
    In reference to the page you referred to, Blackbeard says his fruit precisely sucks in the DF user's body. That's why the ruins around Ace didn't move, only Ace himself did. Precisely targeting the body also suggests that once you're targeted, there's no escape, even for someone as fast as Enel. You can't run fast enough to escape gravity. And where did it show to have a charge-up time? BB just uses it instantly in that page.
    If the move sucks in the DF's body (which, by the way, it didn't in the Anime - it sucked in the hat first of all) then Enel can just go into lightning and avoid it. When he turned into lightning, he vanished - even if he didn't teleport, then his body is still not there. He might have merged into the ground, or moved through the air as lightning, but either way he's no longer absorbable. Because how can you absorb what's not there? Check the bit where he kinda teleports, once he changes he's vanished. And he changed a lot faster than it took Ace to be pulled in.

    As for the Charge-up time, I took the darkness in BB's hand in the frame before his use of Korouzo to be him increasing the amount of darkness. In fact, when he went on fire he was absorbing darkness into himself - for what purpose if not for the gravity?

    Epic Brofist!

  20. #45
    Registered User 上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member Josear XIII's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Country
    Dominican Republic
    Age
    27
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    310
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Arashi View Post
    I take the challenge!

    The second time Enel goes near Teach to strike. This right-side part is waiting for him. I called it Vertical Blackhole

    Easy.

    Enel cannot teleport, he moves just like anyone but in a electrical way. It means that gravity can absorb it either electrical or physical.

    About fighting serious, i though that was obvious for all the versus.
    Kazu analysis is more than precise on the matter of justify speed vs gravitation effect of bb

    Also for the sake of a second time attack (considering BB just didnt just felt the impact in one of the weakest bones and major weakpoints of humans) and must i say that he absorbs everything so he wont dogde the pain the full impact of that staff will go right through his skull, but lets say he is in a very good condition (impossible) to prepare himself for another attack and enel goes at it mmmm let me think..... mantra? "I predict that you are about to release one big ass attack I just flash my ass away" and remember all the angles from were a sneak attack can come from, and BB must first predict that (which he cant)

Thread Closed
Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts