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View Poll Results: Who wins?

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  • Blackbeard

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  • Enel

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Thread: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazu-Sama View Post
    You mean the poison that he needed Shilliew to save him from, right? He didn't just tank the poison, it almost killed him, and would have were it not for Shilliew coming to his aid.

    Vari = volts - check http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Goro_Goro_no_Mi. Vari is a translator's version. In the same way you get Zolo/Zoro. You still haven't answered my point about him waiting until Whitebeard was close to death, then using his crew and a load of guns to finish him off. If he's as strong as you seem to think, why didn't he just attack Whitebeard before Marineford, or even fight him singlehandedly? And why didn't he attack the admirals, or Marco, or Jozu, or any of the other Devil Fruit users that were around? He came in when WB was severly injured, already dying due to his age, then getting stabbed, shot with lasers, and fighting off a lot of marines. He then shot him (with his crew), stole his powers, and ran. He's not immortal, nor is he omnipotent. Kurouzo does not equal an instant win against people.

    I'm not saying Thor gives Enel an instant win, either, I'm saying that in a match-up of slow, brute force, hand-to-hand fighter vs potentially long-range, speedy fighter who's powers seem to excel at keeping him at range (Mantra, for instance, to avoid BB trying to grab him) then the fight is likely to go to the guy who's powers are more advantageous. Enel would still lose to WB, to Rayleigh, potentially to Akianu. But against BB he's got a great match-up.
    No, i meant about internal damage... for example, i don't believe any character besides Akainu can surpass Galdino's ability after using it in all their body. You train your muscles/strenght, resistance, speed, akuma no mi, Haki but inside almost everyone is average, that's what i want to proof.... obviously Teach is one of those outside that rule.

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    "Vari" is the Japanese onomatopoeia for the sound the electricity makes, similar to "bzzt"
    Indeed different.

    But when Enel use his techniques, he use the phrase "Boruto Vari", so it's different than a mere Volt. It's like Gomu Gomu no Pistol stretching 70 Gomu Gomus xD

    Well, i have to say that i didn't understand at first Teach's behaviour, but then i realize that was for the plot. He's a truly pirate, a pirate wouldn't confront you mano-mano, Oda is giving that point of view about Teach right now. Obviously he's not weak enough to tremble with Newgate, he know him very well.

    Btw, i'm deeply interested about how Edward could beat Enel.

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    The fact that you think Enel can potentially beat Akainu suggests to me that you are overestimating his strength, by a lot. Enel doesn't even have a way to damage Akainu, he only knows Observation Haki.

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    @leonsaga normally you would be right

    buuuuuut

    akainu didnt beat ace with haki, but with a supreme logia, how was it? he was hotter then him(keep cool fangurls, thats was he said)? somewhere on this thread its mentioned that the heat of an lightning can be much hotter then fire or magma. D: so it could be possible at all, but we dont know

    (and honestly i dont believe it either, but here enel will win under normal circumstances and lesser fanboys... heck i hated enel from the beginning, but he is still an bad match up for teach

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazu-Sama View Post
    He was surprised at Ace's fire spears. He wasn't letting Ace hit him for the sake of hitting him, Ace surprised him.

    As for new BB, if he is as strong as you make him seem why didn't he just arrive at the battle of Marineford, kill WB singlehandedly, then while he was there get the 3 Admirals, Marco, Jozu, Doflamingo, Crocodile, Luffy, Sengoku... He's hunting Devil Fruits. If he can take a hit from full-strength WB without issue, pull anyone in and OHKO them with a punch, and pull in everything and anything he chooses, as you seem to think, then why didn't he take advantage of the incredible number of strong Devil Fruits around, capturing and killing all the users, as opposed to waiting until Whitebeard was practically dead already, having been stabbed, shot full of lasers, and suffering from his old age anyway, before getting him and his crew to shoot him with an inordinate amount of guns? The fact that Blackbeard, upon arriving at Marineford, didn't just Kurouzo WB in and kill him instantly proves he's not as invincible as you made him seem.

    And, for the record, shockwaves like that - looking similar to sonic booms - are travelling around the speed of sound. IE 0.2 miles per second. Fire travels at roughly 0.0034 miles per hour. Lightning travels at 3700 miles per second. If you bring up anyone other than Kizaru's speed, Enel wins. Bringing up speed is redundant...
    In Ace' part, BB got hit because of his "overconfidence" and this is one of his weakness as WB stated.

    In BB's part, you do know that he plans things very well. BB likes to know their weakness and how BB would take advantage of it. Remember when BB wanted to kill Luffy to obtain a Shichibukai title? Fortunately, Ace was there to save the story.

    I don't think anyone is stupid enough to fight against 3 Admirals, Marco, Jozu, Doflamingo, Crocodile, Luffy, Sengoku at once. And he couldn't go to Marineford directly because his crew wouldn't be strong enough to hold everyone. That's why he went to Impel Down to ask help from Prisoners so they would able to take care against other soldiers. Having level 6 pirates recruited for your crew would help you to reach the PK because of their experience. His goal was only to capture WB's fruit.

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by 0Xellos View Post
    Wut? Mass approaching zero should give zero gravitational force, because gravitation is proportional to mass. You're talking inverse proportional.
    lol... obviously.. my bad... radius tends to zero... thus escape velocity for the said mass comes more than the velocity of light that is 3x10^8 m/sec

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Sorry if my point was misconstrued - I never meant to imply Enel could beat Akianu. I meant that if you were to look at their strength, they were similar. Enel would lose, having no CoA Haki that we've seen, but in terms of raw power they're similar.

    Epic Brofist!

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Quote Originally Posted by Sachsenhesse View Post
    to get the dragonvoters on enels side:

    enels bounty said by oda, if would be on grandline: 500 million
    blackbeard: 0 (last known)


    Dont forget the Guragura no mi did nothig against logiausers. They crumbled, but without any injury. The only hope is the black hole, but against lighting with godly Mantra... have luck.
    So, lemme get this straight. You're comparing a non-existent bounty to another non-existent bounty

    But alrighty, let's play that game. Oda said, in response to a fan asking what Enels bounty would be if he descended to the grand line. Oda said that the bountyless Enel might end up with a bounty of 500 mil. But there would still be bigger fish:

    "D: Question!! If God Enel were to descend to the Blue Sea, how much would his bounty be? Also, what would happen if he did that? Would he rule the Blue Sea? P.N. Gorozoro

    O: I see. Interesting question. Knowing how tricky he would be to beat, I'd imagine he could reach as much as 500,000,000 Beli. Luffy was lucky to be rubber. But like Luffy said, there all sorts of even crazier guys down on the Blue Sea. Enel would NOT rule it. "


    Now, it would be interesting if a fan asks for BB's current bounty, which he is bound to have by now. What exactly in your train of logic makes you think his bounty is not considerably higher than 500 mil? You cannot know.
    Oh yeah, remember Ace? He was revealed to have a 550 mil bounty , higher than Enel's estimated bounty. And he got his fiery ass handed to him by BB even before he got the Gura Gura no Mi. A fruit he should now be able to wield better than he did at MF.
    So, in short, the bounty tale does not hold the slightest bit of merit, I am afraid.

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    Re: Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

    Hm... a tight win for BB. Fair enough (since opinions here are divided about equally in the discussion).
    Erfworld

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    Meh can't have Bleach without fan raging, makes it fun.

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