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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
Gol D. Roger
Going with Marco. At this point, it is unfair because Roger wins every fight, regardless of his opponent, unless user recognize that the sense of this tornament is completely pointless if he pawns everyone with his title.
It's all senseless, after all. Why would Roger be Pirate King if he is not strong/the strongest? In a 1 v 1 fight, this would be expected. Roger all the way.
Man arguing like this is pointless. Lets compare one piece with football (soccer, how it is logically called in america, foot and ball = soccer)
Have you ever seen Pele in a match? I suggest no. You only heard of him that he is the best player of all time. Now you got someone like Messi or Christiano Ronaldo. Someone like Ronaldo or Zidane.. They all won every title you could win in the world.. Okay, except of C.Ronaldo and Messi. So now, does this make them weaker than Ronaldo, Zidane, Pele or Maradonna? HELL NO!
Only because Pele and Maradonna were once the best strikers in the world, they arent automatically better than Messi or C.Ronaldo. I even think that Messi and Ronaldo surpassed them. Same goes for Roger. He was once the pirate king, but nowadays, there are pirates who surpassed him. And Marco is WBs right hand, and deserves to get the chance to advance to the next round against a relict of an old era!
And unless like Pele or Maradonna, we havent seen anything of Roger, earning his title... Be fair and give Marco the chance, I appeal to your sanity!
Ronaldo and Zidane were both great footballers, but had the benefit of a brilliant team to play with. Think of Real Madrid's team at that point - Casillas, Salagdo, Helguera, Samuel, Roberto Carlos, Beckham, Guti, Figo, Raul... All of them are legends in their own right. Gol D. Roger had crewmembers like Shanks, Buggy (who despite what people say, is an incredible leader) and freaking Rayleigh. Gol didn't do it alone.,,
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I still dont understand how these tourneys work, i mean seriously, shouldnt there be a rule against using characters with little to no showings in the manga on fantasy fights? Especially people like Roger etc who we can only speculate theyre true strength... Which logically means everything we say is bascially not cannon :/
Marco should logically win this, but fandom and hype will get the better of the votes
If it were an admiral or WB or Shanks against Roger, I would probably vote for them over Roger. Marco might have shown some feats, but not enough to make me think he's Roger's level.
And it is not about him being Rogers level, dont think anyone is saying that, its that Roger has shown nothing in the manga therefore his powers are non existent until shown. He cant Magically beat Marco and if anyone thinks he can they should provide proof of how that happens. Just because it is Roger doesnt mean he gets the win out of hype. Hype might scare some pirates away, but i doubt Marco the phoenix is going to forfeit because of hype.
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i am finding it very funny. people are saying that they shouldn't vote for Roger because he hasn't shown anything; yet they say Garp is strong because he cornered Roger several times....
well no, that guys they argue like that, are the same ones going for roger(or dragon)Quote:
garp has shown some feets by himself, be it mastery of haki(hitting luffy all day long), tankstamina (got a friggin axearm to his chest while sleeping and still laughed about it) etc.
roger himself.... well he was seen with a pistol once
uh well..... see the final post here
"Something I was thinking about today - When Shiki was captured by the marines, they sent 2 guys to do it. Sengoku, who's top brass, has an incredible DF, and is one of the most powerful marines there is, and Garp. Not Kong, not Akianu (or any equivalent admiral), not a Shikibukai, Garp. Shiki was deemed a rival to Gol D. Roger, he escaped from Impel Down, and was only beaten by a very, very lucky Luffy. So the fact they chose to send Garp over anyone else says a lot about his power..."
Jeah. But unfortunality fpr you, we know about Shiki abilities quite well and saw him fight in the movie. ^^
Anyway i really dont really need to defend kazu but some posts before:
See? He even says dragon is possible stronger, but we have seen more from garp, so he will not vote dragon. Same as here with roger. From both we have seen nothing but a glimpse, so they loose against a worthy opponent. (atleast thats what i hope, because we got some fights we are really nice and fun to discuss... jus take enel and blackbeard, from both we know the abilities and strength --> 6 Pages. Here it is "roger hasnt shown anything yet" or "roger is pirateking". That isnt fun at all. xDQuote:
and i know what Kazu-Sama said. that Garp is one of the most powerful marines there is; and as one of the facts he has stated When Shiki was captured by the marines, they sent 2 guys to do it. why Shiki is so important to prove Garp as strong? he has stated two reasons one of them involves escaping from Impel Down and the other one is Shiki was deemed a rival to Gol D. Roger.
anyway, this thread isn't about Garp, but about Roger and Marco. so i should return there. and i can understand your reasoning as well. that speculation on unknown powers isn't a good thing. well i may agree with that. but there are few things.
let's say, it was Marco vs Ben Beckman. we don't know anything about Ben Beckman, so anything about him would be a speculation. but i have an idea what might be his level and then i would have voted for Marco without any doubt. i would even say it myself that we shouldn't declare Ben Beckman the winner based on assumptions.
but if it was Ben Beckman Vs Buggy? even though i know many things about Buggy and i know very little about Ben Beckman, I still would have voted for Ben Beckman. the logic about speculation shouldn't be a concern here.
and if the match up was Roger Vs Whitebeard? then i would have voted for Whitebeard, and not Roger.
Well, since we're all quoting me, this is what I had to say on Shiki's power in the battle Royale
By the point I said Garp was strong for being sent out vs Shiki, I'd already posted this in the Battle Royale bit. The point being, Shiki was strong. Not strong based on what was said, strong based on what was shown. Yes, I mentioned his hype for fighting Rogers - the sole reason was to appeal to reputation voters. While some of the people here - Sachsenhesse and Jaymizzo, to name a couple, although there are lots more - argue with logic and based on what we've seen, the same can't be said of everyone. Mentioning Shiki vs Roger was a way of trying to convince those who are more awed by what someone says than what they do, nothing else.Originally Posted by Freddichio
Wait, why am I even defending myself? What does this have to do with the fight?
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Roger easily.. since weakened Whitebeard >> Marco.. Prime Whitebeard == Roger if not Roger >= Whitebeard. Some misinterpret RIVAL as EQUAL, they are not. To reason out. Only Whitebeard can be compared to Roger in terms of overall strength. Though there are silver medalists like Garp, Shiki. They were really never that strong enough to be equal with Roger. Otherwise Whitebeard would never be proclaimed the strongest in the manga. Remember he got that title only after Roger died.
Shiki was known for his armada, which Roger and crew destroyed(with a little luck). Garp was on constant chase and had numerous battles with Roger, was never really able to defeat Roger. Even Shiki was surprised when Roger was captured/killed. He knows of how strong Roger was and came up to the conclusion that Roger would not have been captured/executed.
Marco is strong, and whoever voted for Marco should also defend that Marco can defeat Whitebeard. Else, all arguments for Marco becomes nonsense. lol