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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
My initial response to Sabo getting the mera mera no mi is that I don't want it to happen. I'm having trouble figuring out why I feel that way though. I think it comes down to the fact that it's too straightforward. Too neat. He's turned up just in time to get it, having been thought dead for years. Him getting it would be a far bigger cliché than him not at this point, I think.
Of course he's only just come back, so my opinion about that might change over the rest of the arc. (I think I also have a problem with the word 'we' when he's talking about inheriting Ace's will. I don't think Ace's will necessarily meshes with the RA's. That might just be a translation thing though.)
By passing on the strawhat, Shanks was saying that Luffy would be the one to carry on Roger's legacy. Shanks essentially forsook any claim to Roger's legacy at that moment. He was, as he would say later, "betting on the next generation". If Sabo did the same, passing on the mera mera no mi, Sabo would be declaring the same, that he would not be the one to carry on Ace's legacy, but that whomever he gave the fruit would be custodian of that legacy.
Yes, it would. It would be a cliche in the truest sense of the word. If anyone other than Sabo ate the mera mera no mi it would just be a power up, devoid of any meaning other than making a character stronger. Things like that are cliche. Sabo eating the mera mera no mi would be more than a simple power up. It would be a symbolic gesture, Sabo carrying on the will of his dead friend. Simply saying "I am going to carry on Ace's will" is empty words. Devil fruit become a part of the user, altering them genetically. Sharing abilities with Ace has deep meaning, within the context of the story. But only if it is Luffy or Sabo that shares that ability.Quote:
It is. It allows an additional layer of symbolism to be added to the story. It becomes a matter of show vs. tell. Words can be empty. Declaring "I will carry on Ace's legacy" is just words. Acquiring his ability is a symbolic gesture, investing an additional layer of meaning to those words.Quote:
Last edited by Kaiten; December 13, 2013 at 12:53 PM.
Last two sentences are redundant given that I don't want any of the Straw Hats or Rebecca to get it. Direct that to EddyBob, please.
Which is essentially what I'm saying Sabo and/or Luffy would do by giving someone Ace's fruit. Could be after this arc, could be five arcs later, could be in the last arc, in the last chapter ever. It's a possibility, just as Sabo eating it is a possibility. We're going on the assumption that he isn't already a user, and I don't think Sabo mentioned eating the fruit, just carrying on Ace's legacy.Quote:
He can carry on Ace's legacy without consuming the fruit, and pass on Ace's legacy to someone else.
There can be a meaning if Sabo gives it to someone else, or if Luffy gives it to someone else. It would be their way of passing on their will or legacy as well as Ace's. It'd be a symbolic gesture identical to when Shanks gave Luffy Roger's straw hat.Quote:
Which is why he WILL carry on Ace's will. Words mean nothing, actions do. What if he just eats the mera mera no mi and decides to live a quiet life instead? Is that carrying on Ace's will?
Acquiring his ability is a symbolic gesture that can be ruined if Sabo decides to just quit. Basically the same as him not eating the fruit, but not carrying on Ace's legacy.Quote:
Want to make a wager? If I win, you ban hoeru and Schabrak. If you win, you ban Schabrak and hoeru. Deal?
By giving Roger's straw hat to Luffy, Shanks conceded that he would not be the one to carry on Roger's legacy, Luffy would. If Sabo were to recover the mera mera no mi, only to pass it on, he would symbolically admit that he will not be the one to carry on Ace's will. He would be acknowledging whomever he gives the fruit as heir to Ace's legacy.Quote:
He can't simultaneously carry on Ace's legacy while also passing on Ace's legacy to someone else.Quote:
Luffy won't be giving the mera mera no mi to anyone. He has already called off the search, conceding Ace's legacy to Sabo.Quote:
Sabo won't eat the fruit and just live a quiet life. He's a member of the Revolutionary Army, dedicated since childhood to fighting for equality. Ace's legacy will be the fire of freedom, helping Sabo fight the world's oppressive social hierarchy.Quote:
He won't just quitQuote:
Deal! If I win they're doomedQuote:
What do you get if you win? You've only said what I get if I win?
I dont think aces legacy shit will be a factor in who gets the fruit. In cases like inheriting someones will through something permamnent(df) i think oda will give the fruit to someone oposite to ace in most areas but has the same intention at heart as that of ace. The said person will eventually turn out to be quiet alike ace when we get to know him/her more. I hope it isnt rebecca and it probably wont since sabo is here. It suits her being fruitless and weak in our standard.
And if I win you ban the master troll and the biggest asshole besides me?
I'm open for other cantidates within the Revolutionaries, but damn, we would need to see some new faces and finally a real introduction into the to echelon of the RA. Sabo is the best candidate still so far.
Last edited by Schabrak; December 13, 2013 at 04:42 PM.
Or, he could admit he will not be the one to carry on Ace's will anymore. Shank did not concede he would not be the one to carry on Roger's legacy, but he accepted Luffy as the next generation who would carry on Roger's legacy.Quote:
And why not?Quote:
Is it set in stone Sabo won't give Ace the mera mera no mi? Probably won't, but there's still a chance.Quote:
Not my point. I'm saying he could eat the mera mera no mi and just become reclusive, it doesn't guarantee he'll carry on Ace's will.Quote:
Nope. If you read, we both get the same thing if we win. Though, I was half jokin about banning Schabrak. You don't need to ban him if you don't want to, he's not that bad.Quote:
Sry but this isnt a good reason Rebecca is a pacifist ace was a beast with good manners and are you blind and non thinker? what would be the whole point of sabo's reveal is he wont get the fruit for himself? There would be no reason for going himself in dressrosa he could very well send someone else in his place as strong as him end of story. You guys are chick-lovers to point of stupidity. You want so much for rebecca to take-eat the mera mera just to join the sh crew to point of becaming annoying to extreme lvl's and iam mentally tired of hearing this so ill put my rampage mode on the next one says something about rebecca getting the fruit after sabos reveal. Come on make my day!!!!
Last edited by Don Chinjao; December 16, 2013 at 02:00 AM.
Seems like most OP fans' ability to comprehend words is low. Where did I ever say I wanted Rebecca to get the fruit? If you actually did read the posts in this thread, you'd see me consistently and constantly saying that I don't want Rebecca to get the fruit or join the crew as she is boring. I'm actually tempted to link "consistently" and "constantly" to an online dictionary so I can't be misunderstood that way. Jesus.
If Rebecca was a pacifist though, she wouldn't be trying to kill Doflamingo.
So...its prolly gonna go with sabo huh...
Looks like it...
...Maybe Sabo gives it to Coby
Last edited by Kaiten; January 08, 2014 at 06:41 PM.
I'm in the camp of hoping Ace's fruit ends up retrieved by Burgess, or falls in the hands of an antagonist of some sort. Like a member before me mentioned, having the Mera Mera in the hands of Blackbeard would greatly increase tension between his crew and the Strawhats; add that along with him proving responsible for the ordeal at Marineford (and a foreshadowed showdown with Shanks, whom he should triumph over) and you've got an incredible set-up for a climatic bout between the two sometime down the road, near the end of the series. It creates intrigue (among other strong emotions), bumps the respective power of Blackbeard's crew, and gives fans of the series a more tangible goal to look forward to.
Should Blackbeard not get the fruit however, I'm sure the fight will still happen and be pretty epic, 'cause Blackbeard has never stopped scheming and drawing up machinations to conquer the seas (and eventually the world). If not Ace's fruit, he'll be sure to piss Luffy off in another way soon (I believe Dressrosa would prove an optimal place for Oda to start, though).
At this point it's screaming Sabo, but I won't be surprised if some Chaotic Situation occurs and the Mera Mera lands in the hands of someone else.
Well at least camp Luffy is written off at this moment, I'm waiting the same result for camp Rebecca in near future.