Yeah, they'll be kidnapped.
Nope, they'll somehow be captured instead. Ironic.
Maybe they'll only succeed in capturing Ymir.
No, they'll be converted to aid the humans with talk-no-jutsu.
Okay, I have seen that apperently there has been hints about this for some time but I still didn't see this coming why the colossal titan, isn't he supposed to be th biggest mystery of them all? (That and some of these characters can be hard to tell apart sometimes, the art can be very muddled at times with people's faces.)
here that they need to get them underground then?
2) Why do the colossal Titans in the wall have to be kept from all sunlight immediately?
3) Eren wasn't completely cut off from the sun, he could see light through the entrance. His psyche might have been the reason he couldn't transform initially, or a combination of very little sunlight and very low impetus (same as when he was down in the well).
Annie on the other hand was maybe refusing to enter the sewer because after a few dozen meters there would be absolutely no sun.
Look... as I said, we don't know how it works exactly (and if or to what degree Eren is special in any way), but being underground is trouble for at least some Titans. Fact.
My point is it's quite honestly almost laughable to proclaim PLOT HOLE OMG at this point.
It would actually come across as less natural if he walked the reader through his thought process step by step. Yes, many authors write this way, but it's a crutch to aid the reader, not how I reckon most people's brains work.
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This plotwist was unexpected; I literally didn't see it coming.
I wonder if we will know soon enough about the worst destiny that the Mankind is supposed to avoid by making sacrifices.
I suppose that Eren's father has something to do with it.
Another fact that supports that the sunlight theory is that Ymir only transformed just after it was sunrise
We also have titans moving around at night which should be impossible if the hypothesis was 100% true. Fact.
One thing for sure, we know that Ryner's bite wound on his arm regenerated while only under exposure of sunlight. So the theory of them being unable to transform in underground is possible.
"Reiner Braun, most adept at gaining the trust of his comrades".
Meh, Personally I go with Reiner and Bertholdt being forced or pushed to do this going by previous statements such as "If something a Soldier is supposed to protect is threatened you have no choice but to step in.No matter the foe, that is the responsibility of a Soldier."
"I wanna see my hometown again, that's all I'm about no matter it takes."
"I have no will of my own"
"Just like you Eren, I have something I cannot deviate from."
Irvin: "The Colossal Titan and the Armored Titan follow the same Principles as you (Eren) presumably, your will is the key.The key that can allow humanity to escape this hopeless situation"
And if anything, the chapter confirmed multiple factions within the Titans.
Last edited by Beatrice; February 15, 2013 at 03:26 AM.
But there is one thing I would like to consider... Perhaps it is not necessarily sunlight per se that the titans need but heat in order to function or transform? I mean it seems characteristic that the titans appear to be running on very high temperatures, at least looking at the ones who have transformed, and generally release vapor as they do so in their strongly regenerative phases. What I am saying is that perhaps it is possible for them to transform even in darkness or cold provided they have some sort of stored up heat, which may include their human form.
Last edited by Hamy; February 15, 2013 at 04:17 AM.
We don't know yet.
But I already wrote all this in more condensed form in my last post...
However, you seem pretty determined to ignore or misconstrue my points in favor of yours. Guess you like to be right. So do I, but the difference is I wait until I have all the information before jumping to conclusions like "shame on you, author, you made a huge mistake".
Edit: Separately from all previous points of discussion... another "underground theory" just occurred to me:
Sunlight, motive and all that stuff might or might not be relevant, but in addition to this, maybe it can get problematic when a Titan's "displacement power" is insufficient. What I mean is:
When Eren transformed in the sewer, he only had to "displace" the cobblestone street above him (see the page Reclaimer linked). Reiner was much deeper inside a castle, surrounded by much more solid material. Maybe his transformation displacement would not have moved all that mass, wedging his incomplete form inside the tunnel instead. "But Reiner even smashed the wall gate to bits!", you say? Well... Titan bodies form from the inside out (see Eren's unfinished skeleton torso transformation), so Reiner's armored exterior would be generated as the very last part. We have seen unarmored newbie Titan Eren punch stuff so hard his limbs basically exploded. If Reiner hit the walls during transformation (i.e. before his armor is complete), it might very well be his body that gives way, not the stone.
Last edited by 10er; February 15, 2013 at 05:16 AM.
I actually can't decide what to choose for that poll. At this point it could go anywhere.
Hmm. I'm wondering if the ape titan has been farming humans to use as titans against Reiner's titan community. Reiner's community would try to eradicate the humans to prevent a war they couldn't win. They discovered that humans, like Eren, could be made as sentient titans and they want to take Eren to the village so they can understand how to make all humans as titans and remove the threat of the ape titan's army.
A few years ago I would have probably jumped right into this and engaged in a flamewar for dozens of posts (or until a mod intervened) but... I am kind of past that stuff.
So let me just sum up some things:
First of all, I never once accused you of logical fallacies. But I don't even care where you got that idea. More importantly, you are still not addressing my arguments, choosing instead to complain in a rather pedantic manner about my condescending phrasing (by the way, pot, kettle, etc.) and how you consider what I said to be "claims", not "suggestions", even though the main gist of all of my posts was "we don't have enough information, don't bash the writing prematurely".
This behavior of yours leads me to several possible conclusions:
If you really can't see what I initially meant, you are more dense than I figured; if you are still deliberately misconstruing, you are more of a jerk than I figured.
If you forgot to address my points, you are more dense than I figured; if you are still ignoring them on purpose, possibly considering them "beneath" your intellect, you are more of a jerk than I figured.
Either way I suppose there will be no fruitful discussion between us. Toodles.
Credits to 4chan for pointing out the foreshadowing and making this.
I also agree that its too premature to be judging the mangaka based on this chapter. Blaming the author because the story did not turn out the way you expected it to or because it turned out the way you expected is very childish.
Although, that being said the reveal was a bit sudden, however, we don't know what's going in either Reiner's or Bertholdt's head that lead them to this point. Perhaps they knew that they were running out of time and were already being suspected that they chose such a reckless course of action. Or was it fear that propelled them to act? The fear that they might end up like Annie if they stayed idle for too long and Ymir+Historia might expose them.
Thus, it brings into question why are they so desperate to recruit Eren? What's so special about him that they would go to such lengths? Annie, Reiner and Bertholdt.
Last edited by Hiro Hayase; February 16, 2013 at 06:39 AM.