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Wooooo this is a great weak for me anime/manga wise joined viz read 617 different trans tomorrow naruto shippuden box set 13 comes out Wednesday new chapter and Thursday new naruto shippuden episode not just any episode naruto/killer bee v nagato/itachi. only thing that will f-up this week for me is if my internet suddenly goes off. But that SHALL NOT HAP-PON
I hope on wend that we get chapter 618,r we get to see more about sasuke and orochimaru's journey to konoha while madara and obito get unhooked from the juubi and juubi going into rampage but it looks that it might happen the same thing from the last 20 attacks from the Allie, it look a good combination of attacks but not effects and i lost interested in naruto vs madara 30 chapters ago.
I think Sasuke is wondering whether the elders or Danzou should be blamed, based on what Itachi told him and hopefully what he remembers of Konoha.
In case anyone is wondering: Tsunade is a Senju. Hashirama was her grandfather. Hashirama was a Senju, therefore she was a Senju. She also can claim to be part of the Uzumaki Clan, through her grandmother. We don't need to know her family name, we know her lineage. Clan is determined by lineage, we know she is granddaughter of a clan member, therefore she is a clan member.
Last edited by Kaiten; January 29, 2013 at 02:29 AM.
I'm just gonna throw this in, again. How can one even use the word "cheat" in a manga? For fuck's sake, it's a fantasy world with people who have SPECIAL powers. If Naruto's Kagebunshin is a cheat, then Sasuke's Sharingan is also a cheat, Neji's Byaukan, as well, Kakashi's Sharingan as well, Shino's bugs, Shikamaru's intelligence/shadow binding etc. I could go on and on.
But get it through your thick skulls: if you apply a logic to a certain character, you have to apply it to everyone else.
Last edited by Roman; January 29, 2013 at 07:18 AM.
Why do people love to remove narutos powers and say he wouldn't could have done X if he didn't have Y. This is honestly getting to be an annoying topic, but I will say it, what would anyone be without their powers?? Ok let's remove narutos tailed beast, while your at it lets remove every Uchihas sharingan, lets remove minatos FTG, lets take away nagatos rinnegan, lets take away lees taijutsu, lets take away the raikages lightning shroud, etc. you see what you do when you want to take someone's abilities that they had almost the whole manga and say they would loose without them. Well no duh of course they would loose, cuz they rely on their special abilities! You can't talk down on a character when he/ she is taking full advantage of the powers and gifts they have.
Naruto can spam KBs and thousands without the Kyuubi chakra (http://www.mangapanda.com/93-1-49/naruto/chapter-1.html). He did this from the very first chapter...that was not Kyuubi chakra....Quote:
I agree with others, take KB from Naruto....fine! but also take Byakugan from Neji, Shukaku and Sand from Gaara, take KG from Haku....I am pretty sure he doesn't lose against those examples you have given.....
The point "Naruto sucks because he has Kyuubi har har" is flawed on the very foundations, not only because of the insightful reasonements you lot made, but also because its incredibly superficial:
without Kyuubi he would've surely developed his abilities in a different way. Without Kyuubi he would possibly have his parents, possibly mastering chakra chains, Uzumaki's Fuuinjutsu and all that on top of his existing arsenal.
But that is just fanfiction, like the "Naruto without Kyuubi" talk is too, what I know is that Innate abilities, Bijuus and Hijutsus are considered talents in the Narutoverse, you don't have Orochimaru saying "Sasuke-kun is good only because of his Sharingan", he considers the Sharingan a part of Sasuke's talent, like, say, his intelligente or his knack at elemental manipulation.
Same with Madara, you don't see him dissing Naruto because of the Kyuubi, nor did Gaara's father, nor did everyone else. Hell ninjas consider ninja dogs as part of the partner's power!
Bottom line is, exactly like Kabuto said when talking about ET, what the ninja has is part of the ninja's power, ability and such.
tl;dr Suzaku's post summarize the argument pretty well
You know what would Naruto be without Kurama? Jiraiya or Orochimaru, battle level-wise, or probably stronger. But with Kurama, he's beyond their magnitude of power. It's simple and pretty easy to understand. The rest is just people's plain gullibility towards their own reasoning which helps them sleep through the night.