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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
I think if we consider the first zanpaktou as such it becomes more clear.
niyama ouetsu was a shinigami at one time WITHOUT a zanpaktou--- he was himself, and had his sprit. If we think of this mass of physical and spiritual energies as a mass of (bear with me) cookie dough with chocolate chips- then really all afro san did was invent the first cookie cutter.
he shaped his spirit and materialized his spirit in the form of a zanpaktou - essentially making the first zanpaktou cookie.
now, he streamlined the process so that others could also make cookies of various shapes and abilities based on the flavor of their spirits.
so he made the asauchi- essentially they are blank cookie cutters in the shape of a zanpaktou.
the dough- is all from the shinigami.
the flavor is from the shinigmai.
the essence of the zanpaktous shape- ie. a weapon, or materialization, is from the cookie cutter.
I suspect that before the advent of his zanpaktou asauchi blades, that more outlandish forms of zanpaktou existed. perhaps not in the form of a weapon at all. though its pure speculation as we have no ultimate history record for ancient SS.
I think that what afro san(I cant remember how to spell his name without googling it for the life of me)- I think what his training with ichigo is going to achieve is to allow them to create their own blades. he is going to show them how he made his cookie cutter, and in so doing they will end up making their own.
Dammn-- Im hungry now. lol.
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the materialization into the external world is facilitated by what we call the zanpaktou-
before that, the spirit of the zanpaktou was still there, as we saw in ichigos case.
for the most part I think you are right, hard study for like 99 % of knowledge gained.
I do wonder if zampakuto themselves can know kido the shinigami does not know. Its one thing for a zampakuto to know everything about the abilities and powers which are innate to it however kido is not quite in that category. Kido is not an innate ability to shinigami, it is learned through training. My expectation would be for zampakuto to know kido however only the ones the shinigami himself can use. Zangetsu has displayed knowledge however we know for a fact that zangetsu is aware of what is going on outside and most of the knowledge he has imparted has been connected to techniques he rules over.
like chemistry, sure us newbys are lost and have to study, but after a certain level a chemist can start to create new things.
Well, everything that a shinigami learns his inner spirit zanpaktou also learns. in addition zanpaktous (well in ichigos case) seemed to have at times a deeper understanding of what a zanpaktou could do, or could know in addition to the info they get from the host shinigami.
We don't know if Nimaiya invented zanpakutos themselves. He could have been just the inventor of the asauchi, thus giving Soul Society an easy, efficient way to forge new soldiers. Maybe some people in SS were able to forge swords themselves, without the need of any asauchi. I don't think Kenpachi had one, and we know for a fact that Ichigo didn't evolve his Zangetsu from an asauchi.. or does than tiny hilt count as one?
I mean, I find it hard to believe that Yamamoto owes his Zanka no Tachi to this pimp XD
I still think it is entirely possible that ichigo had an asauchi all along. Asauchi are spiritual weapons, I don't think it would have been an issue to hide it inside ichigo's physical body and we have actually seen gigai keeping swords within them. If nimaiya is really the creator of the zampakuto then we have to consider the possibility of him being THAT old. It is entirely possible that something within the palace provides them with longevity after all.
I'm new at this blogging thing but I'm such a big fan of bleach I had to reply with my thoughts to see where it might go. I just found one of the posts here really interesting and since it was kind of what I was thinking as well so here it goes...
Unohana’s sword is the strongest healing type sword. Which is why Unohana had to master the art of sword or killing. She technically can’t kill anything in shikai or bankai mode. To defend herself, she has to be extremely strong and skillful in using just a plain non shikai zan. Oh and by the way, she can die which is why deep down she has a sense of self preservation. Just like the Yama’s sword was the oldest and strongest fire type and Hitsugaya’s was the oldest and strongest ice type. Unohana’s zan just happened to be the oldest and strongest healing type. So here’s what I think happened: Zaraki challenged Unohana because she was uber strong, he was strong and fierce enough to warrant her using her bankai. Unfortunately, her bankai’s ultimate power was the ultimate healing technique: granting immortality. So picture this, imagine a double KO between Zaraki and Unohana. Zaraki stabbed Unohana through the chest but not deep enough to kill her and Unohana at the same time sliced Zaraki’s eye. The result would be a permanent wound on Unohana’s chest and a scar left on Zaraki’s eye. Additionally, since Unohana has no control over the healing power of her bankai her “sin” inadvertently granted Zaraki immortality.
This explains why Yama didn’t want Unohana to fight the Quincies. She has the ultimate power to heal everyone but if forced to fight, she would “accidentally” grant the Quincies immortality. She is one of Juha Bach’s special war powers and probably holds the key to him defeating the Soul King… by granting himself immortality.
So how did I come up with this conclusion? Take a look at Hanatarō Yamada’s shikai. The low key, cowardly 7th seat officer of the 4th division has a zan that heals when he cuts. Eventually it gets full absorbing all damage and then fires a one time shot that will actually hurt people. I’m guessing Unohana’s works essentially the same way except the only way she can kill or even damage anything is to not be in shikai or bankai mode. When Zaraki forced her into using her bankai to “stay alive” during their first fight, that’s when she instinctively slashed at his eye. Kind of an oops moment for her so she calls it her “sin”.
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How you fight and how you swing it… You don’t know how to use your zanpakuto! Ever noticed how Ichigo just swings his sword around while hollow Zangetsu uses the sash like a chain and spins the blade around? Zangetsu is teaching Ichigo how to use the sword, possibly to mimic his fighting style. Imagine the frustration and anger of the master when his student doesn’t listen. Get it? So once he figures it out, it’s a whole new level of connection. Double in power? Ichigo and his Zan as one? Maybe quadrouple? Who knows? Just a though. Maybe the Zangetsu does have his own unique power that he can only channel when him and Ichigo work as one. Can you imagine Zangetsu’s own bankai?
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I have a feeling that Kenpachi is Unohana child, no proof just a feeling
I like the idea about unohana's bankai but why would you go bankai if your weapon stops being a weapon. Her bankai might be more tied to her nature. Maybe she liked to fight so much that her bankai resurrects her opponent so that she kill him over and over. The other possibility is that she is his mother and that his dad was a quincy. So like Ichigo, when killed, he automatically subjugates spirit particles to restore himself, ie ichigonator. Or there is a relationship to her stabbing him through in the same place as her scar...either way I like the setup
Yet the Royal guard throws it all out the window. There is still something about the zanpakuto we dont know yet.
A few things that stand out for me.
- The zanpakuto are angry with Ichigo & co.
- More zanpakuto can be created.
- It seems that 1 of the zanpakuto clearly had a will of its own and kicked her master. Since he said there were only zanpakuto there.