Bleach 525 Discussion

[thornofcarrion]

So Kenpachi, ages ago when he was a kid, was stronger than Unohana? Interesting. and because he didn't want to lose the competition, he subconsciously held back parts of his power to the point that he actually started to suck against far weaker opponents. That's interesting. So, now, she's killing and reviving him until he's using his full power again or maybe that was him at full power at the end of thechapter. I guess we'll find out.

Nicely summarized . I praise how Kubo used the mental aspects to make Kenpachi stronger. It isn't going to be a power-up coming at a desperate moment. The mental barriers play huge role in real life. I am sure we all have some demons to overcome. In case of Kenpachi, he had unconsciously limited himself and the only way he is getting back those powers are, again, an unconscious process.

[Sky Render]

I do, as a matter of fact, last week I said...



And I was happy at the time because I didn't think it would be this freaking quick. It seemed like Unohana barely had time to shine against Kenpachi.

He's just stupidly strong to a outlandish degree and, again, this is why I find him boring. The way he is being hyped up leaves nothing uncertain for his future. We know this guy is going to stomp a hole in whoever is unlucky enough to fight him next. And you know what? I bet it's going to end with Kenpachi slashing them in half or across the chest. Just like all of his fights end. Oh, but not before he fodderizes a ton of Quincy again.

I honestly don't expect anything when if comes to Kenpachi. However, I was expecting Unohana to be treated a little better than to be a stepping stool for Kenpachi. Years and years of hype and this is how she is treated. That isn't really flattering.

Yes, that's reasonable. But keep in mind that as far as we know the fight isn't over yet. If next chapter Unohana dies, that'd be pretty bland indeed. If she loses but comes back to fight the Vandenreich in an awesome fashion, that'd be great. If she retaliates and gives Kenpachi a true run for his money, that'd be great too.

Let's wait and see, for this isn't over yet.

[eefrit]

Yes, that's reasonable. But keep in mind that as far as we know the fight isn't over yet. If next chapter Unohana dies, that'd be pretty bland indeed. If she loses but comes back to fight the Vandenreich in an awesome fashion, that'd be great. If she retaliates and gives Kenpachi a true run for his money, that'd be great too.

Let's wait and see, for this isn't over yet.

I don't really have a choice. But for now, this is the lowest point in this arc for me personally. Wish I could relax and enjoy the show...but Zaraki just frustrates me to no end.

[Hakuteiken]

Yes, that's reasonable. But keep in mind that as far as we know the fight isn't over yet. If next chapter Unohana dies, that'd be pretty bland indeed. If she loses but comes back to fight the Vandenreich in an awesome fashion, that'd be great. If she retaliates and gives Kenpachi a true run for his money, that'd be great too.

Let's wait and see, for this isn't over yet.

Nope. She can't be awesome after this flashback and her being the weaker of the two. She's good with sword and that's her specialty, same as Kenpachi. Only the best can shine, you know.
That's like Rukia can never be awesome because there is Hitsugaya, a much more superior ice element user blocking her way.
The thing is, we will never say "Oh, look at Unohana! How amazing she is with the sword!" after this point, because, she isn't, compared to Kenpachi.

[benelori]

Am I seriously the only one who thought this chapter was brilliant art-wise and pretty memorable on its own right?

Nope...I liked this chapter as well...it is indeed refreshing to see someone actually getting weaker with the advance of time...

And the adult strength vs child strength argument.......that argument is not that valid, since it's the reiatsu and fightings skills that matter, not age...

[Hakuteiken]

Nope...I liked this chapter as well...it is indeed refreshing to see someone actually getting weaker with the advance of time...

And the adult strength vs child strength argument.......that argument is not that valid, since it's the reiatsu and fightings skills that matter, not age...

It's not valid because Kenpachi isn't a child there, he's barely conscious, but an apparent blood sucking monster.
His looks are just reminding me Gaara

[benelori]

What I want right now is an explanation about why Unohana became the pacifist she is today. Because I better get a good reason why she didn't do jack shit against Aizen. That's the only thing that's bugging me right now, and I expect answers in the future.

Responsibilities of being a healer I guess...let's not forget that she received instruction from a Royal guard, so perhaps the responsibility and perhaps a weight of promise is in there somewhere as well...

And Aizen did have her under Kyouka Suigetsu as well...

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What I'm looking forward too is more training actually...the purpose of this training was to teach Zaraki some Zanjutsu...so if this is the end for Unohana's lessons, then I will be a bit disappointed...although the previous chapters did set the mood for her demise, she should've taugh him some kendo, and then let his instincts loose...or perhaps his instincts include kendo as well...hard to believe...

I think the downside of the chapter is this...it has taken too little screen time for Zaraki to achieve what he did...Unohana should've pounded some two handed swordsmanship into him before making him a monster...so I think it was a bit rushed, and too short for the potential it had...

It was still a pretty good chapter though...

[Cyber34]

It amazes me how people get upset over Kenpachi and Ichigo being naturally strong, but go gaga over characters like Aizen, and Yamaji with their hax abilities.

[abyozuu]

so the reiatsu eating eye patch may be just a...placebo.By wearing it, kenpachi thinks that his powers are limited. but actually while wearing it, he thinks that he is facing a weaker opponent and thus subconciously limit his power. the moment he removes it, mental restraints are also removed, so he can release more power.

[Sky Render]

Nope. She can't be awesome after this flashback and her being the weaker of the two. She's good with sword and that's her specialty, same as Kenpachi. Only the best can shine, you know.
That's like Rukia can never be awesome because there is Hitsugaya, a much more superior ice element user blocking her way.
The thing is, we will never say "Oh, look at Unohana! How amazing she is with the sword!" after this point, because, she isn't, compared to Kenpachi.

That's like saying that being awesome is directly proportional to being strong. But that is very, very wrong.

Being awesome is being Mizuiro throwing a Molotov coctel at Butterflaizen without even batting an eyelash. Being awesome is facing an enemy you don't have any chance of beating.

It's all about the tension you create in the scene, about the stakes being risen and about a character being brave. Not about power. If that were true, nobody would like Byakuya (since he is weaker than Yamamoto and Kyoraku). If that were true, I wouldn't LOVE Komamura.

Also, Unohana is a healer who also knows her way around swords. Kenpachi is a brute. They are not the same kind of fighter just because both hold the Kenpachi title. Byakuya is also a swordmaster, and weaker than the other two. Doesn't make him useless or less awesome.

Also Don Kanonji.

[Hakuteiken]

It amazes me how people get upset over Kenpachi and Ichigo being naturally strong, but go gaga over characters like Aizen, and Yamaji with their hax abilities.

There isn't any sort of correlation. What people (including me) isn't well with is the fact that a master swordsman (Unohana) who knew every single sword technique in the world is inferior to someone who hasn't got any skill to begin with.

[Sky Render]

And Aizen did have her under Kyouka Suigetsu as well...

Hey, good point. She was busy healing Hiyori + Aizen had her screwed over with his zan = da answer.

I just want it to be clearly explained. Just Aizen showing up and saying/thinking "it's a good thing you were healing ppl back in FKT because I wouldn't have liked facing you" or something like that would be OK with me.

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There isn't any sort of correlation. What people (including me) isn't well with is the fact that a master swordsman (Unohana) who knew every single sword technique in the world is inferior to someone who hasn't got any skill to begin with.

Kenpachi doesn't lack skill. He knows fencing and shunpo. Look at his moves when he faced Unohana last chapter: he knows how to fight, a least as much as Ichigo does.

In fact, Kenpachi is pretty much like Ichigo. Both are raw potential with experience in real battle who don't really care about kido or underhanded tricks.

[Hakuteiken]

That's like saying that being awesome is directly proportional to being strong. But that is very, very wrong.

Being awesome is being Mizuiro throwing a Molotov coctel at Butterflaizen without even batting an eyelash. Being awesome is facing an enemy you don't have any chance of beating.

It's all about the tension you create in the scene, about the stakes being risen and about a character being brave. Not about power. If that were true, nobody would like Byakuya (since he is weaker than Yamamoto and Kyoraku). If that were true, I wouldn't LOVE Komamura.

Also, Unohana is a healer who also knows her way around swords. Kenpachi is a brute. They are not the same kind of fighter just because both hold the Kenpachi title. Byakuya is also a swordmaster, and weaker than the other two. Doesn't make him useless or less awesome.

Also Don Kanonji.

If there is another one who uses a million of blades the way Byakuya does and defeats him, yes, he ain't awesome.
I also love Komamura, but he isn't awesome, either. Like you said, being awesome requires power. Liking a character is totally different or being useless, let's say. Unohana, provided she fights a Quincy after this point, will not be useless.
But we (or I should say it just for myself, I guess) won't be watching her awestruck, either. It'd be just a level below what is to be demonstrated by Kenpachi.

Ah, and Unohana wasn't originally a healer. She's a swordsman who also knows her way with healing.

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Kenpachi doesn't lack skill. He knows fencing and shunpo. Look at his moves when he faced Unohana last chapter: he knows how to fight, a least as much as Ichigo does.

In fact, Kenpachi is pretty much like Ichigo. Both are raw potential with experience in real battle who don't really care about kido or underhanded tricks.

I doubt he knows shunpo back at that flasback's time.

[kkck]

There isn't any sort of correlation. What people (including me) isn't well with is the fact that a master swordsman (Unohana) who knew every single sword technique in the world is inferior to someone who hasn't got any skill to begin with.

I am guessing it is the same thing as always. Kenpachi has no skill whatsoever with a sword to the point where it might as well be using an old broomstick however he makes up for it with sheer volume of reiatsu. In other words, his reiatsu is simply so much greater than unohana's that whatever swordsmanship he managed to pick up during the fight (he said he was going at it with reflexes alone just now) and the sheer volume of reiatsu he has is enough to defeat the single greatest swordsman in bleachverse. Once kenpachi gets to the two hands thing he is going to be an absolute monster.

[Sky Render]

If there is another one who uses a million of blades the way Byakuya does and defeats him, yes, he ain't awesome.
I also love Komamura, but he isn't awesome, either. Like you said, being awesome requires power. Liking a character is totally different or being useless, let's say. Unohana, provided she fights a Quincy after this point, will not be useless.
But we (or I should say it just for myself, I guess) won't be watching her awestruck, either. It'd be just a level below what is to be demonstrated by Kenpachi.

Ah, and Unohana wasn't originally a healer. She's a swordsman who also knows her way with healing.

But Unohana knows kido, has shikai and probably bankai, and fights in a different fashion. She's not very similar to Kenpachi. In fact, she looks more like Byakuya or Kyoraku to me. If Kenpachi being stronger than her means she's useless, so is every other captain. And so is every lieutenant. And all of the nakama. And the Arrancar.

It won't make any difference from what we've been seeing since SS arc. There hace always been characters who are more powerful than others. And this goes for every shonen manga in existence.

Unohana can do things Kenpachi can't. Which is healing, kido, shikai and being reasonable. That could count for something so don't count her out.