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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Render View Post
    Kenpachi was around when Unohana was a captain, ergo is pretty old. Older than most captains and probably around Kyoraku's age.
    I think he only appeared a few centuries ago. Or maybe like 500 years earlier. But as old as Kyoraku? That doesn't sound right for some reason

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Render View Post
    Kenpachi was around when Unohana was a captain, ergo is pretty old. Older than most captains and probably around Kyoraku's age.
    you seem to be unaware of the timeline: unohana has been running the 4th division for over 400years,and she became a captain over 1000years ago. You compare her to kyoraku??? . He and ukitake became captains over 200years ago,but they shouldn't even be 600,according to the chapter in which kyoraku asked yama whom had been portrayed in the picture on the wall. Kenpachi became captain not even 110 years ago,but he should be older than 400, to fit unohana's behaviour.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    where did you get that Unohana became 4th division captain over 400years?
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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    you seem to be unaware of the timeline: unohana has been running the 4th division for over 400years,and she became a captain over 1000years ago. You compare her to kyoraku??? . He and ukitake became captains over 200years ago,but they shouldn't even be 600,according to the chapter in which kyoraku asked yama whom had been portrayed in the picture on the wall. Kenpachi became captain not even 110 years ago,but he should be older than 400, to fit unohana's behaviour.
    There is nothing to suggest they became captains 200 years ago or around. Kyouraku only stated they were the only to be captains for over 100+ years back at TBTP, so, their history as captains extend back to 210+ years, but no limitations placed in the beginning time.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    My theory is that Shunsui and Ukitake were around as the Gotei 13 was founded or possibly before as both were students of Yama, this then suggests that Yama was a dojo master that ended up creating SS as the war between the Quincy broke out around 1000years ago(theory) to make his dojo into a more military organization, Unohana and zaraki's 1st fight was around 200years after the founding (this is a estimate and may prove wrong) of SS. Zaraki looked around the same age as Shunsui did in the flashback of the picture, so im guessing the fight and that was around the same sort of time so this makes Zaraki, Shunsui and Ukitake are possibly the same age as or Zaraki is a lil older
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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    There is nothing to suggest they became captains 200 years ago or around. Kyouraku only stated they were the only to be captains for over 100+ years back at TBTP, so, their history as captains extend back to 210+ years, but no limitations placed in the beginning time.
    nope,there's indeed a limit: they are much younger than the war against juha bach 1000 years ago (remember yamamoto's last flashback with kyoraku and the portrayed) ,whereas unohana was already a captain

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    nope,there's indeed a limit: they are much younger than the war against juha bach 1000 years ago (remember yamamoto's last flashback with kyoraku and the portrayed) ,whereas unohana was already a captain
    Being a kid 1000 years ago doesn't suggest they only became captains 200 years ago. In fact, it should at least be something like 800-900 years.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    But there's 1 thing for certain that Shunsui and Uki weren't members the original 13 captains, while Unohana was.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    I bet Shunsui would still defeat Zaraki, mostly because Shunsui is much more tactful and opportunistic in his fights. I can't see Kenpachi giving up on enjoying fights and using instinct completely. He definitely needs to change his way of fighting though in order to get rid of these shackles.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by exacta View Post
    I bet Shunsui would still defeat Zaraki, mostly because Shunsui is much more tactful and opportunistic in his fights. I can't see Kenpachi giving up on enjoying fights and using instinct completely. He definitely needs to change his way of fighting though in order to get rid of these shackles.
    To be honest I wouldn't be so sure. Shunsui uses games, ones that I would argue would suit kenpachi far more than shunsui himself. Shunsui knows the game rules however there is no reason for kenpachi to give a damn. At the moment kenpachi still seems to have it in him to be able to take hits and as far as we know exceeds kyoraku in terms of physical capacity and reiatsu. As far as ukitake goes the situation is just plain hopeless. Ukitake's ability as far as we have seen is to send back incoming enemy blasts. That works fine against a number of attacks however it would do absolutely nothing against everything kenpachi can throw at ukitake. On top of everything ukitake is sickly whilst kenpachi is essentially a tank. To put it in perspective, the attack that took out ukitake during the war is something kenpachi would just kinda walk off on an average sunday.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Shunsui and Ukitake were the first Captains to graduate from Academy that was founded by Yama. They were also among the first ones to graduate from Academy. So they can't be younger than 1000 years. Also we know that Academy was founded around 1000 years ago or more, hence they are Captains of Gotei for around 1000 years or a bit less.

    P.S. According to the first databook Shunsui is actually better than Unohana in actual combat abilities, so in actual fight he should be stronger than her. It is one of the reasons why he became Captain Commander.
    So, I believe he should win against Kenpachi even if he gets back his full power.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge D. Dragon View Post
    Shunsui and Ukitake were the first Captains to graduate from Academy that was founded by Yama. They were also among the first ones to graduate from Academy. So they can't be younger than 1000 years. Also we know that Academy was founded around 1000 years ago or more, hence they are Captains of Gotei for around 1000 years or a bit less.

    P.S. According to the first databook Shunsui is actually better than Unohana in actual combat abilities, so in actual fight he should be stronger than her. It is one of the reasons why he became Captain Commander.
    So, I believe he should win against Kenpachi even if he gets back his full power.
    No. the academy is more than 2000 years old, 1000 years ago is when Yama became cc. I don't think that Shunsui and Uki became captains immediately after their graduation. Since 1000 years ago, we have the quincy war in which we get the silhouettes of the original 13 captains. 2 were confirmed to be Yama and Unohana. The rest are unknown but it is certain that Shunsui and Uki weren't among them. Why? because as described by Bach, at that time Yama is still a ruthless killer. But in the flashback of Yama before he dies, he's not that person anymore. Hence, we can know that Shunsui was still very young even after the quincy war.

    I believe people tend to misunderstood the idea that Shunsui and Uki were the first graduates to become captain. It doesn't say that they are among the first graduates. The shino academy is 2000+ years old, but it doesn't mean that Shunsui and Uki are 2000+ years old. Shunsui was still very young even after the quincy war 1000 years ago.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    To be honest I wouldn't be so sure. Shunsui uses games, ones that I would argue would suit kenpachi far more than shunsui himself. Shunsui knows the game rules however there is no reason for kenpachi to give a damn. At the moment kenpachi still seems to have it in him to be able to take hits and as far as we know exceeds kyoraku in terms of physical capacity and reiatsu. As far as ukitake goes the situation is just plain hopeless. Ukitake's ability as far as we have seen is to send back incoming enemy blasts. That works fine against a number of attacks however it would do absolutely nothing against everything kenpachi can throw at ukitake. On top of everything ukitake is sickly whilst kenpachi is essentially a tank. To put it in perspective, the attack that took out ukitake during the war is something kenpachi would just kinda walk off on an average sunday.
    I would agree with most parts. I didn't understand the last argument, though. You mean the attack Wonderweiss made back in FKT? Cause as far as I remember, Ukitake wasn't defeated in this arc.
    And to be fair, Ukitake's Bankai should be something cool, or else he's mostly at a disadvantage against his opponents, having left with no special ability to rely on.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Of course Kyoraku is an overall more threatening warrior than Kenpachi. He's got the moves, the shikai and the bankai. He didn't defeat Starrk for nothing (with some help, all right).

    The only reason Kenpachi is more threatening to the Quincies is that there is no way to stop or nullify his abilities.

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    Re: Bleach 525 Discussion / 526 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Render View Post
    Of course Kyoraku is an overall more threatening warrior than Kenpachi. He's got the moves, the shikai and the bankai. He didn't defeat Starrk for nothing (with some help, all right).

    The only reason Kenpachi is more threatening to the Quincies is that there is no way to stop or nullify his abilities.
    Now that you mention it, Kyoraku keeps fighting enemies with guns. A weapon which is rare in bleach.

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