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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Well I thought of something.

    What if, Konohamaru, who isn't supposed to be in the war and stay in the village, noticed them and went after them and will hear all about it. What if, Konohamaru is the first one to learn of what's going to happen?

    I dunno, I was just watching some old episodes, and the thought of Konohamaru being present with all of this, would be so good.

    Besides, Sarutobi could say to Konohamaru that he has become a great ninja and this could relieve Sarutobi's soul.

    Still, I really don't want to see Sasuke defeating all 4 Hokages. Seriously? That would mean that he is stronger than Madara. And yes, not even Madara could defeat the 4 of them together. Hell he could barely defeat the 1st. He can argue that it was on purpose, but we'll know the truth soon enough.

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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by sarutobi_sensei View Post
    Still, I really don't want to see Sasuke defeating all 4 Hokages. Seriously? That would mean that he is stronger than Madara. And yes, not even Madara could defeat the 4 of them together. Hell he could barely defeat the 1st. He can argue that it was on purpose, but we'll know the truth soon enough.
    They are Edos... they don't have motivations to fight and no convictions fuelling their power like when they where alive. They are just Orochimarus puppets, so if this turns into a fight you can expect Orochimaru to be the main threat. Orochimaru also wants Sasuke alive, so thats another major handycap for those Kage.

    And what would it take for Sasuke to defeat those Kage-Zombies? Actually not all that much... Ultimate Susanoo and a swipe with his Amaterasu Blade or even better: the Sword of Totsuka (which Edo Itachi conveniently transfered to him without telling us while he was making his love speech and bumping foreheads) and he can take out all of them in an instant if he gets a good surprise hit.
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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Yup. I remind everyone that once Nagato was hit with Amaterasu, he was out like a light. Took like... 4 or 5 minutes before he blew the flames away and mounted an offensive. And even then, it only worked because Kabuto "activated" him. Kabuto's Edo>Orochimaru's Edo. I could be wrong, but I even think they powerup once he kills their emotions. When Zabuza changed it looked like he was going Super Saiyain, lol.

    A radial Amaterasu burning everything around Sasuke would put the Edo's down for the count until Orochimaru can be dealt with. Not to mention, even if they healed at the same time Nagato could, none of them have any abilities that will get the flames off of them the way Nagato did (Shinra Tensei). They're all pretty much done after that.

    ---------- Post added at 03:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:55 AM ----------

    I also call bullshit on the notion that Madara couldn't beat all 4 of these Kage. Even if Hashirama's among them.
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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Yup. I remind everyone that once Nagato was hit with Amaterasu, he was out like a light. Took like... 4 or 5 minutes before he blew the flames away and mounted an offensive. And even then, it only worked because Kabuto "activated" him. Kabuto's Edo>Orochimaru's Edo. I could be wrong, but I even think they powerup once he kills their emotions. When Zabuza changed it looked like he was going Super Saiyain, lol.

    A radial Amaterasu burning everything around Sasuke would put the Edo's down for the count until Orochimaru can be dealt with. Not to mention, even if they healed at the same time Nagato could, none of them have any abilities that will get the flames off of them the way Nagato did (Shinra Tensei). They're all pretty much done after that.

    ---------- Post added at 03:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:55 AM ----------

    I also call bullshit on the notion that Madara couldn't beat all 4 of these Kage. Even if Hashirama's among them.
    You're assuming wrong. Orochimaru has regained his power, he also has Kabuto's knowledge about Edo tensei as well has his own chakra back. How on earth would his Edo Tensei be inferior to Kabuto's?

    Next, none of those has abilities to fight against Susanoo or Amaterasu? Dude! Hashirama fought against Madara! Ya think Madara didn't use any of those techniques?

    Next, we have 2 Space Time specialists in here, what makes you think they can't just vanish the flames to another dimension? Do you remember what Minato did against a Bijuu Bomb? He sent it to another mountain...

    Next, we have Minato who is a sealing expert, you think he couldn't use a sealing jutsu to deal with the Enton?

    Or that Hashirama couldn't handle facing against the Perfect Susanoo? Really?

    The same applies to Madara vs these 4.

    The only way Sasuke can win against these 4 is plot. Plot says that if they fight, Sasuke wins. Because he needs to be compared to Naruto. But hey, if he wins, not only will he be compared to Naruto, he'll be superior to him, and to Madara. Hell just make him fight the 10 tails if he can defeat all 4 of the previous Hokages plus a revived orochimaru with his arms and capable of using his jutsu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    They are Edos... they don't have motivations to fight and no convictions fuelling their power like when they where alive. They are just Orochimarus puppets, so if this turns into a fight you can expect Orochimaru to be the main threat. Orochimaru also wants Sasuke alive, so thats another major handycap for those Kage.

    And what would it take for Sasuke to defeat those Kage-Zombies? Actually not all that much... Ultimate Susanoo and a swipe with his Amaterasu Blade or even better: the Sword of Totsuka (which Edo Itachi conveniently transfered to him without telling us while he was making his love speech and bumping foreheads) and he can take out all of them in an instant if he gets a good surprise hit.
    Having motivation or not doesn't really matter. If Orochimaru turns them into mindless killing machines, they'll attack for the kill. They'll use their most lethal jutsus.

    Sure, Sasuke has the Sword of Totsuka, or he most likely has it, but even if he does, they're the 4 previous hokage for fucks sake.

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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by sarutobi_sensei View Post
    The only way Sasuke can win against these 4 is plot. Plot says that if they fight, Sasuke wins. Because he needs to be compared to Naruto. But hey, if he wins, not only will he be compared to Naruto, he'll be superior to him, and to Madara. Hell just make him fight the 10 tails if he can defeat all 4 of the previous Hokages plus a revived orochimaru with his arms and capable of using his jutsu.
    Well, obviously plot would be the main reason. We're basically nearing the end of the series, and dealing with the very top of the power tier. Considering Naruto is seemingly due something from bring together the Bijuu's, I doubt anything will really be effected strength-wise. But even if it does, wouldn't that fit Naruto's whole underdog theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by sarutobi_sensei View Post
    Having motivation or not doesn't really matter. If Orochimaru turns them into mindless killing machines, they'll attack for the kill. They'll use their most lethal jutsus.

    Sure, Sasuke has the Sword of Totsuka, or he most likely has it, but even if he does, they're the 4 previous hokage for fucks sake.
    No they won't. Last time Orochimaru used them, they mainly stood around and then attacked with taijutsu. So unless Orochimaru pulls a Kabuto, they won't be that much of a challenge. And if Orochimaru does grant some control, then the Edo Hokages would be able to resist and point out their own weaknesses. Either way, Sasuke would have the advantage.

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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Yup. I remind everyone that once Nagato was hit with Amaterasu, he was out like a light. Took like... 4 or 5 minutes before he blew the flames away and mounted an offensive. And even then, it only worked because Kabuto "activated" him. Kabuto's Edo>Orochimaru's Edo. I could be wrong, but I even think they powerup once he kills their emotions. When Zabuza changed it looked like he was going Super Saiyain, lol.

    A radial Amaterasu burning everything around Sasuke would put the Edo's down for the count until Orochimaru can be dealt with. Not to mention, even if they healed at the same time Nagato could, none of them have any abilities that will get the flames off of them the way Nagato did (Shinra Tensei). They're all pretty much done after that.
    Orochimaru now has all of Kabuto's memories if I'm not mistaken, meaning he knows all about his research, and hence his Edo Tensei is now as good if not better than Kabuto's.

    As for the Hokage's, just creating Amaterasu isn't going to be enough for Hashirama and Minato. He'll need more than that.
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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi
    Orochimaru now has all of Kabuto's memories if I'm not mistaken, meaning he knows all about his research, and hence his Edo Tensei is now as good if not better than Kabuto's.
    I'm not sure it's that simple though. For example, the reason Madara is so much stronger is because genetic experiments were done to the corpse. Also, Orochimaru hasn't shown capacity to switch bodies with Edo Tensei summons the way Kabuto has. All of this could be based on alterations to the corpses. Then again, Hashirama's DNA are in the Zetsu that were used as sacrifices so... maybe they actually are just as special as Kabuto's.

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    As for the Hokage's, just creating Amaterasu isn't going to be enough for Hashirama and Minato. He'll need more than that.
    No actually. He wouldn't. Hashirama and Tobirama's Edos was originally beat by a shadow clone grabbing them and sealing them. Pretty easily. No overwhelming power or speed needed. Just a simple sneak attack. Remember that these zombies don't fight like the originals. They're slow and their personalities are nullified of not just held at bay. I mean, once they're all set aflame, how do they get the flames off? Nagato had the ability to blow them away via Shinra Tensei. What's Minato gonna do? Teleport his skin off of his body? How about Sarutobi? Enma gonna swat the flames away? Maybe Tobirama can dowse the flames with water? Oh right. Water doesn't effect Amaterasu. Hashirama gonna sprout some leaves and push the flames away then, right?

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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by sarutobi_sensei View Post
    Having motivation or not doesn't really matter. If Orochimaru turns them into mindless killing machines, they'll attack for the kill. They'll use their most lethal jutsus.

    Sure, Sasuke has the Sword of Totsuka, or he most likely has it, but even if he does, they're the 4 previous hokage for fucks sake.
    Thats it... thats all they will do, attack like mindless puppets, without using their heads. They also won't use their most lethal jutsu because Orochimaru doesn't want Sasuke dead.

    And don't forget Sasuke isn't alone, he also has Suigetsu and Juugo here... People will be hating on me for this, but I don't care:

    Hashirama: I summon thee tree's! Crush dis boy and his annoying tooth!

    Suigetsu: *splash*

    Tobirama: I summon thee ultimate imba water jutsu of doom!

    Suigetsu: Omnomnomnomnom! Thanks for power-up!

    Hiruzen: I smack thee with my staff!

    Suigetsu: *splash*

    Minato: Rasengan!!

    Suigetsu: *splash*

    Minato: That was but a mere feint evil-doer! Now I'm going to tag you!

    Suigetsu: Ohhhh noes!! Please Dun't do dat..!! Nah just kidding..! *splash*

    Sasuke: Dude, Suigetsu... you're like the best meat-shield ever!
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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    @sarutobi_sensei: Do you remember the last time we saw an Edo Tensei version of Hashirama fight? Hashirama used one mokuton, one Genjutsu, and some taijutsu. Most of the fight he was sitting still, lol.

    Edo Tensei don't fight like the originals. Yes they can't die, and yes they have a never ending chakra supply. But it's like, they have no strategic mind. It's just, kill mode. And not even their A game. It's like, if they had a rocket launcher and a pocket knife to choose from to kill Sasuke with, they'd chose to throw their showes instead. Here, the wiki explains better:

    Different talismans can be used to enact different degrees of control. Orochimaru's talismans completely eliminated the personalities of the summoned, turning them into mindless killing machines under his command. Kabuto prefers to use a weaker binding talisman on certain individuals, allowing them to retain some degree of their own personality. The latter method is useful for psychological warfare,[15] and can also allow the summoned individual to tap into their own emotions, memories, or creativity to enhance their effectiveness in combat,[16]

    Hence, Kabuto's ET>Orochimaru's. Kabuto's had more control, but still acted based on Kabuto's orders.

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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    I'm far more interested in hearing what these four Hokages have to say about the history of the world and village than seeing them in action. Perhaps now we'll learn how Hashirama died (have we yet?) or see some insight into the start of the Uchiha segregation or the causes of the second and third shinobi world wars.

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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    i hope some the kages stay for a little and not just get dismissed after they are down answering questions.
    I know they are in the mist of battle, but it would be awesome if naruto learned more jutsu. In his juubi form his charka reacts with wood. So why not have the 1st hokage teach him a thing or two. Also Naruto elemental affinity is wind, i wish they would show us that he learned another one. I know he practiced combining wind and water with the frogs. Maybe wind and water. wind and earth affinity combo. Learn sweet water jutsu from the 2nd. I'm wishing for a lot but with kishi...anything is possible.

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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    Thats it... thats all they will do, attack like mindless puppets, without using their heads. They also won't use their most lethal jutsu because Orochimaru doesn't want Sasuke dead.

    And don't forget Sasuke isn't alone, he also has Suigetsu and Juugo here... People will be hating on me for this, but I don't care:

    Hashirama: I summon thee tree's! Crush dis boy and his annoying tooth!

    Suigetsu: *splash*

    Tobirama: I summon thee ultimate imba water jutsu of doom!

    Suigetsu: Omnomnomnomnom! Thanks for power-up!

    Hiruzen: I smack thee with my staff!

    Suigetsu: *splash*

    Minato: Rasengan!!

    Suigetsu: *splash*

    Minato: That was but a mere feint evil-doer! Now I'm going to tag you!

    Suigetsu: Ohhhh noes!! Please Dun't do dat..!! Nah just kidding..! *splash*

    Sasuke: Dude, Suigetsu... you're like the best meat-shield ever!
    lol ... look like Suigestu has some advantage against hokage ..... but Minato would use 5 finger seal and disturb his chakra flow in his body so he can't use his ability

    and if I remember correctly , Suigestu wanted to kill Oro by himself
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    and who said Madara had/Has Amaterasu !?

    we didn't see any sign of having Amaterasu .....

    Does Tobi has Amatrasue ..... !? no he has kamui .... Is shisui had Amatarasue ... no ... he had KotoAKatusmi .... every Uchiha has unique ability .... except Sasuke and Itachi who share some dojutsu ...
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    Re: Naruto 618 Discussion / 619 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by sarutobi_sensei View Post
    The main reason Tobirama wasn't able to be free when he was first summoned is because Kishi probably didn't think he'd have a war with all these badass characters and would use the Jutsu in such a scale.
    I want to respond in the new thread but this part I will here. I honestly think this is a case of Kishimoto pushing Orochimaru over Kabuto. That is, being more knowledgeable. Kabuto would have loved to have used the former Kage however he didn't - and it may be because there are things that Orochimaru didn't tell even him, including how to undo this seal. Orochimaru is extremely shrewd in this story, wouldn't put it past him.

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