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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Yamato stated the most people's chakra was naturally lean towards a certain nature.
These scans shows that naruto's chakra was naturally lean on wind affinity before his nature manipulation training. Meaning, his chakra wasn't just aligned to an element but rather t'was naturally lean on wind affinity. The shape manipulation training has nothing to do with naruto's wind chakra affinity or it change naruto's non-elemental chakra to a wind nature.
Yea, overall, that scans are enough as a proof that your so called ''non-elemental'' chakra doesn't exist in kishi's manga.
I am not sure on this but from what i get chakra non-elemental and then you manipulate it(Nature Transformation) to turn it into an element? The fact that all chakra as a natural afinity to X element it does not mean its natural state its that element.
Take Naruto's rasengan. Under normal circumstances its just chakra, no element added to it. Then he can add futon and create a futon Rasengan. Remember when Kakashi and Naruto slamed a Rasengan? Naruto won as his had futon in it and Kakashi's whas just chakra.
Perhaps i am missing something from your discussion.
"I wonder why you think you must continue to read something that cause such hell. "
its called a habit
They said that at first, anyone's chakra is just a non-elemental. And with the nature manipulation, that non-elemental chakra would change to its own affinity. But from naruto's training, kakashi let naruto first to used the card to know his affinity before, as in before, doing the shape manipulation. So basically, from the start, naruto's affinity is already a wind type of chakra.
But there is.Quote:
People don't have something like "fire chakra" or "water chakra", they simply have chakra. However, different people have different talents and strengths. Some are naturally better at playing tennis while some are naturally better at playing football. For some its easier to mold chakra into fire and for some its easier to mold it into water.
Thats about all there is to affinity.
Thats also the reason why people can have a secondary or tertiary etc. affinity. It only means while someone is best at molding his chakra into fire (primary), he's next best at molding his chakra into wind (secondary) and so on.
But the basic, raw chakra is always just a mashup of spiritual and physical energy and doesn't have any elemental characteristics. Thats why the whole process is called "Nature Transformation".
There's also a very good explanation in the wiki:
Transformation and Nature Transformation:
Shape Transformation deals with controlling the form, movement, and potency of chakra.Nature Transformation usually deals with changing the physical properties of chakra into an element. There is also the Nature Transformation of Yin and Yang, which deals with changing the ratio of spiritual and physical energies within chakra.
Now, if the nature transformation deals with changing the physical properties of chakra into an element, then how come naruto knows his element before doing the nature transformation training?
Well, I think there's just a normal chakra, and that normal chakra has already its affinity. But a non-elemental chakra? I really doubt that.
The chakra that Naruto creates Rasengans with is non-elemental chakra. It has no element, it is simply pure. But because Naruto has an affinity for wind, he can more easily turn that chakra into wind chakra than any other element.
He knew his affinity because of Kakashis test.
Its basically like if you go to the job center and take one of those aptitude tests. You just fill out everything and then they evaluate your results and tell you "Ah, so this and that are your strengths so you're suited for such and such tasks".
Naruto took the leaf and just did what naturally felt right. It got cut, which means he's naturally talented at molding wind chakra.
Tell me, if chakra automatically had an element to begin with, then how can people use two, three or more elements? You would need to transform for example fire into water, which doesn't sound likely.
I think its easiest if one imagines chakra as paint. Paint is paint, right? Depending on the consistence there's paint better suited for walls, other paint better suited for wood, another paint best suited for synthetic materials and so on. But at the end of the day its still just paint.
I don't even understand how one could get the idea that chakra has an element in its raw form... That is why Naruto learned Rasengan in the first place. Handseals and chakra transformation was to hard for him.
If Naruto can't even hurt Edo Madara, then he's nowhere near close to Rikudou Sennin. Hell, Naruto had trouble with Pain and Nagato, who actually had Rikudou Sennin's power. Up to this point, Naruto being even 1/100 close to Rikudou SEnnin is a wishful and possibly delusional thinking.
Sealing rasengan? He can barely do a rasengan without a clone. I'm assuming Madara will be redeemed though, without Naruto needing to be stronger. As it stands, Edo Madara is the closest to Rikudou Sennin, followed by either Hashirama or Nagato. Hell, Tobi could be in fourth place because he was able to challenge Naruto and nearly warp him away.
Naruto could get close to Rikudou Sennin in terms of ideals or goal - which is to establish peace. If he finally establishes peace, he can best Rikudou Sennin in one way, if nothing else.