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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
No, she simply gave him chakra, normal chakra.
Naruto did the same, he gave chakra to the others. The effect is amplified because, instead of the two chakras ( one of the target, the other foreign, Kyuubi's ), Naruto converted that chakra like it was the target's own chakra, fully synching them and likely amplifying it.
He basically became the best Medic in the world, doesn't mean he can use all elements
No, he didn't.Originally Posted by marshall313
People aren't divided into elemental effinities. It doesn't work that way. Everyone just has plain old basic chakra. Their chakra holds NO elemental attributes until AFTER they use nature transformation to change their chakra into an element. Just because they have an affinity with a chakra doesn't mean their chakra is that element.
People have elemental affinities, but that simply means that their chakra, their BASIC CHAKRA, leans more toward one element, making it easier for them to mold their chakra into that element than it would be for other elements. Sasuke has a fire affinity aswell as lightning. But not until he uses nature transformation to alter his chakra, and this only happens during the molding process while using jutsu.
For the last time, Naruto DID NOT turn Kurama's chakra into different elements so that he can put it inside of people. He simply deduced the correct chakra ratio per individiual that would be needed to allow each ninja to use Kurama's chakra. Nothing more.
Simply look at the image while Kurama's explaining. Each person has a different "shape" of chakra. So Naruto made his chakra into a shape that "synchs" with their own, so that they can use it just like it's there own. If one needed to match a person's elemental affinity inorder to give them chakra, then Sakura could only heal people with the same affinity as her. Karin could only heal people with the same effinity as her. Tsunade wouldn't have been able to give Oonoki chakra so that he can use Jinton.
And Jinton is a Kekkei Touta, so don't even think about claiming she matched his elemental affinity, because not only would she need to be proficient in earth, wind, and fire... but she'd need the genetic ability to combine them.
I repeat: Naruto can't make other elements. He can't. Stop it.
Last edited by ninjabot; January 25, 2013 at 01:14 PM.
here Kyuubi specifically mentioned "individual's unique chakra traits" whatever that means.
Ninjabot is right, the chakra doesn't have a nature of element in its nature without the nature transformation, so, the aforementioned Shinobi who used Naruto's chakra received the Kyuubi chakra and manipulated it, while if someone were to use a Raiton attack, they would need to deal with the nature transformation on their own.
I don't think you can give the transformed chakra to someone else, anyway.
So, even if Naruto was able to use all different elemental ninjutsu, that wouldn't mean he can give everyone what they need at an instant.
I'm not sure where you are getting this idea. But ninja's mold there chakra into elements, and those elements they have an affinity for are easier to mold. Look up the definition of affinity to see what I mean.
These Clans don't use these secret techniques because they just up and decided one day they'd use them. They use them, because the chakra their bloodlines are capable of making allows them to utilize said techniques.
Lee is an example of a ninja who's spirit energy is so low or uncontrollable he can't use it to form chakra. Instead, he uses pure physical energy to perform high level taijutsu, hence why he was fast enough to blast through Madara.
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Chakra itself does not have an affinity, the people that create it do. How do I know this? Look at Sasuke and The Raikage.
The Raikage uses Taijutsu and NinTaijutsu. He is massive. Once would assume his chakra is primarily made of physical energy.
Sasuke, while certainly fit, isn't massive. We know that Uchiha's inherited the strong spirit of the Sage and thus his spiritual energy is large. This is evident in the fact that he can push himself beyond his physical limits while fighting. In once case, while completely bound by Danzou, he broke his binding seal by somehow dumping his chakra. He had to draw on his spiritual energy because his body was bound. And his chakra is remarkably dark and sinister, something that can only come from the spirit, not the body.
So while the Raikage's chakra is more physically based, and Sasuke's more spiritually, they both share the same affinity for lightning. Logic would tell us then, that one's elemental affinity is not based upon the chakra they can make, but something else.
In case you go outside this classification, you will bring something even more complex than chakra nature. What? DNA, blood type, what? Can you give any unique trait that can be related to chakra?
1. Naruto is has Wind elemental affinity.
2. Naruto can do wind Jutsu wind Jutsu with his own chakra, but couldn't use wind Jutsu with Kurama's chakra - otherwise, he could suffer SM limit. Unlike SM that allows Naruto to do FRS, KM chakra cannot do that. Everytime Naruto uses FRS, he had to go SM to get the wind chakra he need.
3. In 617, after converting BM chakra into his own, Naruto was able to make two FRS with the new chakra. THere was no SM there.
Why Naruto who was unable to make FRS without SM, and who even ran out of his SM chakra a few second before, was now able to spam two massive FRS after converting Kurama's chakra?
My answer is that Naruto molded and matched Kurama's chakra to his own unique trait. This means Naruto created a chakra with wind elemental affinity. After that, he could do the same for each shinobi based on their different chakra nature. This makes sense, and if you read the spoiler below, you can see that each village has its chakra types. Some are water, some are earth, some are lightning and some are fire. Konoha has the largest mixture due to what we know - Uchiha and Senju plus immigrants from different country. Konoha is like the USA of the narutoverse. Read Mu's statement here:
Right now, Naruto is not only a great sensor, but he has also been observing all the different ninjas by their village category. This answer the how he knows the unique trait of each shinobi.
While there are 5 elemental affinities, there are people with two or three. Thus you can have any combination of these to give different symbolic representation. I would never have expected someone interpreting these connection as shapes of chakra. These are simply connection that represent how Naruto geared his chakra with that of the others shinobi. Note that each gear on the SA side as a corresponding gear on Naruto's side. Are you saying that Naruto alone has more than 500 chakra shape?
As you can see, only the gears are different, but the shapes are the same on the inside. Here is how I interprete the diagram
1. Two black areas representing Naruto (right) and the SA ninjas (left)
2. A separation layer representing the air between Naruto and the SA ninjas
3. In the right areas, Naruto connect to Kyuubi chakra and convert it into his own. The connection point is represented by a gear
4. On the left sides, you see many Narutos, each of them having converted Kyuubi's chakra to match a specific shinobi. Then he links it to that specific shinobi, the gears representing the link.
5. From the left areas to the right area, you have rays showing that their is a link between Naruto and each shinobi to which he connected. Kurama even said that Naruto can sustain many links, unlike Minato would could only maintain one with Naruto. There is more here, but not the topic.
A. How does Naruto detect the unique trait of each shinobi?
B. What did Kurama mean by sustaining a link?
C. What does converting chakra mean?
Now consider what Kakshi said.
A jounin level ninja can have more than one chakra affinity by training.This means that the jounin has gotten some level of mastery of chakra control. Then, how do you rate Naruto's level of chakra control in 617. He has surpass both Minato and Kushina.
Lesson: People who are denying the current facts will not be happy until the hand of this manga.
Before a ninja can use his chakra to create an elemental Jutsu, his chakra must have affinity with that element. Then, taking into account the fact that Naruto mold the chakra before giving to each person, the conclusion is clear. Those ninja are not creating chakra, they are using it.
Last edited by so6pww; January 25, 2013 at 04:05 PM.
Chakra does not have an affinity towards an element. PEOPLE have an affinity. They then, take their chakra, and mold it into elemental chakra.
If chakra had it's own affinity, then ninja would only be able to use one element. That isn't the case, multiple ninja have multiple affinities, and among those affinities, one is always stronger than the others unless they possess a kekkai genkai.
And to be quite honest, what I just said above no longer applies thanks to Onoki figuring out a way to master a Kekkai Tota despite not having a Kekkai Genkai, meaning, theoretically, any ninja can do so if they have the knowledge and talent.
And yes, we know they aren't making chakra. THEY ARE MOLDING IT. Naruto is giving them chakra to that fits with their own unique balance of physical and spiritual energy. Thus the "chakra" he can Lee was basically all physical energy since Lee can't use Spirutal Energy to make chakra in the first place!
These ninja are then taking the chakra Naruto gave them, and molding it according to their jutsu. NARUTO DIDN'T DO THAT, THEY DID.
WHY AM I YELLING
First off, I never said he was born with Jinton. I said he was born with a kekkei tota that allows him to combine earth, wind, and fire inorder to CREATE Jinton.Originally Posted by so6pww
Making up facts, huh? I'm pretty sure you don't know what the hell a kekkei tota is because it has nothing to do with Naruto, so I posted a link to the wiki. Read.
Also: You gotta learn to stop replying to my posts. You can't possibly enjoy being proven wrong over and over.
I'm the one deliberately ignoring facts? LOL, you just said that Naruto can't use FRS with Kurama's chakra! What the hell do you call this? http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/545/14Quote:
Let me guess: "Because it's miniature it doesn't have wind chakra because he's not in Sage Mode", right?
Well, I got that bullshit excuse beat too. Behold: http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/554
Last edited by ninjabot; January 25, 2013 at 05:53 PM.
Naruto's chakra control and manipulation has surpassed Minato and Kushina, which has got nothing to do with nature transformation again.
And please try to be more understanding for those who are against your opinions. "Denial of the facts" or whatever way you may put it makes it a sort of preaching, if not offensive language.