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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Never mind. What I tried to say here is what characters could think or state could be negated through the plot over the time. It wasn't Anko's statement that negated it, but it was rather the arrival of Madara and the continuously retconned skill level of Hashirama negated it. Anko's statement fearing Hiruzen's age were somehow negated by Hiruzen himself, who stopped Orochimaru's invasion move. I can't see why it couldn't be the same with Iruka or someone else.
Say, if Kishimoto decides to give Hiruzen a praise for the final time and reveals something big, big enough that could even stop Madara, Madara's words of only Hashirama being able to stop him would also be negated, right?
I believe such things can happen at the mangaka's will.
And it wouldn't be a plothole, retcon, or anything since words aren't always facts.
The whole series does not revolve around that. They want to know learn everything and discover the RS secret, but the Rinnegan is not his secret, at least not the only one. Unless I see a statement they want his secret, then please. Cut it out. If they wanted the Rinnegan they should've went for Nagato instead of Itachi\Sasuke.Quote:
When I say it's not my first source, then it's not. One of them though.Quote:
That doesn't prove anything really. Does those "proves" say that the databook is mistaking or if it's negating it directly ? The Chidori was never said to be "pure chakra" and none said that Amaterasu isn't as hot as the sun. It does burn slowly though. Outright stating that creating the weapon is the the whole technique ? Where are you reading ? Fusing the chakra with the weapon and making a different use of it is the Jutsu itself. The weapon use was not mentioned.Quote:
No, it was stated twice. By Jiraya and Yamato. So again, which is it ? By the way, the Kekkie Genkai's are also chakra Natures. Five are mentioned in the Databook as "Basic" only. Yin-Yang and Kekkei Genkais are also chakra natures, but they probably don't fall under the "Basic" category.Quote:
About the Orochimaru's hands and the Kyuubi topic. I didn't see the proof I asked for, so I'm just gonna ignore it. Dragging this is useless. There are several, SEVERAL, statements that those two haven't regained what's sealed in the DDS. You don't have any proof saying otherwise. That means everything you said is an assumption. Not trying to anger you, but I won.
Did I argue about weaker people not being able to defeat stronger people ? If so, then remind me when.Quote:
Your opinion. Half of him was said to be sealed forever. Is there a similar statement saying otherwise ?Quote:
You're assuming that he should be smaller than the other Bijuus. The other thing is, the toad said, the seal was designed so that a tiny bit of the Kyuubi's chakra would leak, but should the seal be opened, it's full chakra would come out. This has nothing to do with how much chakra the Kyuubi has, but how much would leak.Quote:
Emmm...No. It wasn't stated they need the Kyuubi at full power to summon the Juubi. They summoned him already without the Kyuubi or Hachibi's full power. And your answer is random. What does him killing himself for no reason have to do with Naruto controlling the Kyuubi ? If the chakra would be regenerated immediately then why would he kill himself ? He might have just sealed the Kyuubi's full chakra in Naruto in the first place.Quote:
Still doesn't say he used his life force, or that using your life force would make your body age like that. In fact, Itachi according to you was using his life force, he didn't age like that or become skinny.Quote:
And you made it a fact that they weren't at their best ?Quote:
We all know the rules of Edo Tensei...right? Blah blah blah can't die....zombie zombie.
Well have you all been paying attention to all the times Edo Madara's been hit, and it's been a death blow? And all the hype about Madara throughout history has been all this crap about him being the best person on par with Hashirama and what not.
(Edo Tensei revives him I know that, but that's not the point)
He was killed by each of the 5 Kage.
He was killed by Rock Lee in the previous chapter.
This is basically a thread to see how many times we've seen the great Madara, and how many times he's fallen.
Tsunade hit a Mokuton Bunshin, just saying.
Besides, Madara took some hits on purpose, for example during the meteor technique and when Oonoki "pulverized" him with Jinton.
and plot armor doesn't allow him to finish all of his opponent in 2-3 chapter with ease ....
IMO, he could probably solo most of the alliance ATM but agian, plot induced stupidity won't allow it. Just look at what he's already done, what Nagato could do. He's basically said he won't use the Final Sussano again because it doesn't seem right...yea no matter how he ends up being defeating it's an asspull people will be talking about for years.
Madara has yet to be hit by an attack that could defeat him that he didn't allow to happen. Plot is working more against him than it is for him, as the alliance should be dead ten times over by now.
On topic, Madara's death was legit one time, that is the combination jutsus of the 5 Kages ( or rather, Oonoki+Tsunade combo, and even then it was because he was being arrogant, standing around with his arms crossed, underestimating the kages ), other times he either screwed around ( meteor ), was impeded by plot ( Lee's kick not being blocked by the fan when it repelled a mini-Bijuudama ) or simply he didn't die to begin with ( clone switch against Tsunade ).
...Why would they go after a weaken Nagato and have to deal with huge chakra cost instead of grabbing a stronger Uchiha and not having any chakra cost?
which was why the chakra being visible was so impressive, and Amateruas's databook entry outright states it burns as hot as the sun. And as mentioned, chakra flow is not an individual technique. Naruto, Sasuke, Kirabi, Itachi, and Kakashi all showed this. And you need better reading comprehension...
"Asuma infuses his brass knuckles - his weapons of choice - with this jutsu and goes into battle"
"For a heavy price in chakra, one obtains the strongest of spears, an item of absolute sturdiness. It is the crystallization of the blood and skill of a clan who'd worked slaughter into its finest art."
"Tsuru attacks, bending and twisting the spinal column like a veritable whip."
"Drawing a Bone Pulse-created blade of bone, and unleashing a disorderly succession of stabs at a blinding speed...!"
seal would allow Naruto to tap into the Kyuubi's full power, possibly allowing the Kyuubi to be reborn. Nothing about "what would come out" as you;re attempting to claim. Heck, we outright saw that the seal didn't have to be open for the Kyuubi to flood Naruto with it's chakra, as shown during Pain's invasion.
Well, being super annoyingly technical, he's only died once, and then almost died a second time.
The first time: When the living Madara actually died
The second time: When Itachi released the Edo Tensei
As long as his soul is bound to the real world with ET, he's "alive". So really, he hasn't actually died, even with all the times he's been critically hit.
So.....this brings up an interesting question....since Madara "healed" after being kicked by Lee, I guess he is the person controlling his own ET now? Does that mean in order to get rid of him someone is going to have to do to him what Itachi did to Kabuto? Maybe whatever Sasuke's doing has to do with it, since I see no other way for Madara to finally die.
Unless Naruto somehow manages to talk him into it and Madara finds his closure
It's really weird and why I think Kishimoto might've benefited from finding a different way to keep Madara in the game.
I don't even see Lee's feat as an actual feat, considering Madara was fixed in his position and curiously didn't use his fan. Lee was too fast for Madara to react? That means that Jin-Lee is much more faster than Ee. Madara, while being directly attacked by Mei, was able to react to Ee, who attacked Madara from the side. Jin-Lee moved in a straight line, which is/should be easier to read and react against it. It's really unbelievable in my opinion.
Not saying that I'm always right, I just don't see you saying "Minato > XYZ", "EMS is not an external power up", "Naruto is all about Kyuubi" or "Gaikage < XYZ".
Fucking Madara should be sealed already, the more we see of him, the more destructive it is to his feats and character.
Tobi was a badass once.
The he took a NarutoVillain_2_whimp.cmd to the knee.
And now we have a disaster that is Noobito.
Same stuff is happening with Madara, really. In one moment, we have someone who can destroy...literally anything in seconds...and the next thing you know he's getting hit by...literally anything.
Remember when Madara was awaken from the coffin? And then how he went to battle with an entire army supported by kages/naruto? No bullshit, no blablabla "but they remind me of me in my youth! ", just straight out definition of warlord at its best.
...Then Hashirama fetish appears...
...Then arms crossed syndrome appears...
...Oh sweet! Kicking some Kage ass, finally.
...Ugh...Hashirama fetish again...
...Ugh, now he's standing still again, getting pwned by Rock Lee...
Sigh...Noobito Sr. in the making, guys. Why nobody tried to seal him when Lee got a clear hit? That's what they have been doing for this entire time, this entire arc, yet when they face someone so haxxed as Madara, it's like "nahh, we be 2 pro for dis shyt dawg!", and don't even bother.
Last edited by IChallengeYou!; January 26, 2013 at 07:46 PM.