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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
lol what Asky said Fayte...
not a translation problem...it's a Konomi Engrish problem >.> which is actually a bit surprising since he supposedly has an english speaker on staff
Maybe the point is that Byodouin's English sucks.
The text itself was not properly translated into English, so it is a translation problem. The text on the page does not need to be Japanese for it to be a translation problem. Japanese people writing Engrish is a problem. My argument is, we English speakers should be editing the grammar of the text to make sense of it. We already know what he is trying to say. "Pirates of the Americans" is just nonsensical in the context of his second technique's name.Originally Posted by Sai The Shaman
Last edited by Fayte; February 04, 2013 at 01:20 AM.
Pirates of the American is written in Katakana. If you think the Japanese text say "Kaizoku", it doesn't. It straight up write "Pirates" in katakana, then it'll be a translation as you said. However, the Japanese text you saw next to Pirates of the American is pretty much writing the Pirates of the American in Japanese.
I'm stunned that you can't even tell there are slight tier systems in PoT.
Its obvious as hell.
The same way nobody fears Kamio but people fear Oni is a perfect example of tiering.
You say anything can happen but mention the main character Ryoma.
How about this, Yuuta wipes Sanada 6-0, Ootori wipes Yukimura 6-0, Mukahi wipes Akutsu 6-0, Oishi wipes Atobe 6-0, Higashikata wipes Niou 6-0.
All in the next chapter.
Seem legit to you?
Konomi can do that if he wants to sure. But he would have ZERO way of explaining it and it is something OBVIOUSLY wont happen.
Why? Because they are at different levels.
The results I mentioned WILL NEVER happen in the very next chapter. You can bet the lives of everyone you know and mine for that matter.
Tiers do exist in PoT. You might need to re-read the story if you didn't notice tiers.
That said, a panel in a manga written in English does not mean it isn't a translation. All it means is the mangaka is doing the translating himself. He is translating his original idea from the perspective of the Japanese language, into English. Hence why we get Engrish written down on the page when he just "goes for it" himself.
Even though the text is English on the page, the context suggests we should be editing his grammar because the second technique (Snake Charmer of India) is proper English. This shows how Konomi is trying to make Byoudouin's techniques "______ of 'insert country here.'" "Americans" is not a country. "America," or more likely "Americas" are.
In conclusion, based on the fact there is an "of the" in the text, I would guess the proper meaning of the technique is "Pirates of the Americas."
Last edited by Fayte; February 04, 2013 at 09:56 AM.
Also, has anyone noticed that Konomi doesn't explain these techniques through side characters or gawkers anymore?
Last edited by Brandnewkid; February 04, 2013 at 04:23 PM.
But after Ochi we didn't have anyone give us a breakdown on Tohno's Execution Methods one-by-one, Duke's Homerun got the *Seems Legit* treatment and was ignored, even though it is pretty much the most powerful Forehand in the series.
We haven't had a breakdown on the backstory's of Tohno, Kimijima or Duke either.
I think I mentioned this to Kaoz and its really probably just down to lack of panels in a monthly manga? I don't know if thats a good enough excuse or not.
What kind of breakdown do you expect for those techniques? They're all pretty obvious. Strong forehand, shots that are aimed various points of the opponent's body, somehow splitting the ball. You don't need an explanation for that, you just see what they do. Ochi's stuff was a bit less obvious, so we got an explanation for it.
for shot explanation, Duke Homerun doesn't really need an explanation...it's not like Gin'a multiple levels of Hadoukyuu ever got an explanation other than they're super powerful Hadoukyuu...
Duke Homerun is just a super powerful shot, no technique behind it.
Tohno's execution techniques for the most part needed no explanation since they're all visual and some what self explanatory. He hits you in specific parts with the ball in which the sum total makes you unable to move etc.
For the crazy multi shot techniques...I just think Konomi can't think of an explanation even pseudo scientifically plausible...
EDIT: I realized I kinda just repeated what kaoz said >.>...
Before he'd at least attempt to explain his crazy shots. Sure it'd be BS but still. At least be consistent. Don't just jump to Inazuma 11-type techniques and just have blatantly supernaturally powered moves out of nowhere. Heck, the first time I watched Inazuma 11 and seen the main character create a giant hand made of energy to catch the ball even I was pissed.
Did I say that I need them?
However, traditionally in PoT we were given a lot more explanations on things. Whether we needed explanations or not.
Ochi got good treatment with Mental Pressure and Mach Serve and we got his background too.
We've had a big lack of background info on characters in SPoT. Fact.
Even with Gin's Hadoukyuu's we had side characters giving statements on Gin's abilities.
Not saying that I personally need it, but usually we had that stuff explained. Which looking back I think was a big part of matches.
G10 started off well as the Data guys began explaining a lot on Ochi and Mouri but they went silent afterwards for some reason.
Although I would be silent in this crowd right now if I saw the court set on fire.
I mean, look at Taira Yoshiyuki's Bakyuun. Whilst we were told Rai had random spin, Bakyuun has zero-explanation.
G10 Challenge has been done well and I seriously love this arc, but prior to this we had been lacking in explanations.
Just the whole Washio/Suzuki VS WoK lack of clarity is an example, Matsudaira's Flower Serve. WTF.
Was their seriously nobody who wanted to talk about a BACKHAND SERVE?
If that was in PoT now... We would have guys give mini-essays and all kind of stuff.
And as for Tohno it was more than detailed enough for me.
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So even Rai right now is more legit than stuff like:
"They're playing with just one ball... right?" or "Am I seeing things? Are there really 10balls?".
I'm sorry but these sort of questions are too far out there for kids in the audience of a tennis match between some High School kids and Middle School kids.
Why should an object like a tennis ball multiply for no reason? I think that is more urgent than almost any move in the serious.
However I have faith that Konomi will explain that eventually.