Claymore 136 Discussions /137 Predictions

[number12michael]

Yeah, the very, very, very awkward thing I notice about the DoD is that they all look the same.
In the little flashback, they're all towering humanoid dragon-like things with spikes and whatsoever.
When Claymores awaken, they all turn out different shapes and forms.

Some theories;
-The same form awakening of the DoD is probably biological; they're most likely the same species
-But I also think DNA composition also takes a toll on the Awakening result, and although humans have 99.9% DNA or so in common, the DoD may only have one base pairing different, or have the identically same DNA (perhaps clones of each other? Since they are hermaphrodites and they could produce offspring by themselves...forgot the term for that...asexual reproduction?)
-They all have extremely tough skin (no idea if this is just human-tough, or Claymore-tough like Duff's skin)
-Maybe they just awaken to be the same form; they aren't really humans, so it could just be a biological part of their "race/species", sort of like turning into an amplified monster instead of an adult sized version after they mature (since Rimuto did say that all the DoD warriors turn out to be awakened, suggesting it as a natural part of their lives, rather than be propelled by hatred/anger)
-If their Awakening is a natural part of their lives, then they essentially are just donning a permanent robotic body, and unlike the Org's AB, they still possess the same mind and Awaken without a Yoma parasite in their heads
(Kind of weird viewing Awakening as a natural smooth process rather than some hatred explosion-type combustion)
-Or it could be the Yoma parasite that makes the Org's ABs mind and way of thinking change
^Perhaps the Org's goal was similar to creating an AB that did not get their sanity modified after Awakening


And there's also the reason why AB can't be counted on for battle.
Remember that when they Awaken, the Claymores become insane most of the time, unless they have Jean-like Mentality.
They just go and keep fighting, and either die (because too dumb to retreat, and more so they can't retreat, because when they do) : or they retreat and kill everyone in their own troops.
Essentially, that's why the Soul Link experiments were conducted. They needed not only warriors who could control their sanity and actions efficiently during Awakening, but also the ability to revert back to human form.

But what is "humanity" Riful was quite human in the way she acted (she loved duph, she "had fun", she was smart) she was not "insane" to the point that she was unreasonable.....and as she said "to humans "claymores" and "awakened beings" are one and the same....they dont see a difference between me and you"

Another thing when talking about keeping there "humanity" what of people/warriors like Roxanne or Agatha or Ophelia who had no care what so ever for human life and in fact enjoyed killing humans..can you really say that they are any more human then the Yoma that they slay or AB?

And was it not hinted in the slashers arc that the Male awakened being they were sent to kill worked for the organization(disposing of troublesome and disobedient warriors who are given miss information which leads to there death).

[Whirlzap]

But what is "humanity" Riful was quite human in the way she acted (she loved duph, she "had fun", she was smart) she was not "insane" to the point that she was unreasonable.....and as she said "to humans "claymores" and "awakened beings" are one and the same....they dont see a difference between me and you"

Another thing when talking about keeping there "humanity" what of people/warriors like Roxanne or Agatha or Ophelia who had no care what so ever for human life and in fact enjoyed killing humans..can you really say that they are any more human then the Yoma that they slay or AB?

And was it not hinted in the slashers arc that the Male awakened being they were sent to kill worked for the organization(disposing of troublesome and disobedient warriors who are given miss information which leads to there death).

I never said anything about humanity.
What I meant by sanity is their mind/brain's thought process.
Obviously the mind/brain eventually gets used to their Awakening and settles down, in the case of Riful.
But right after Awakening, notice how Luciela acted, killing everyone in the Organization, wounding her sister in the eye (probably didn't even know who she was), and then deserted the Organization.
Yet after some decades, she seems so calm and wise while fighting Isley and then even notices Rafaella and remembers her memories again.

It's sort of like alcohol and being drunk.
You momentarily lose your sanity and do wild things (swear, beat people up, etc etc).
This is similar to the Claymores. Awakening is akin to sexual arousal, and to Males they cannot control this at all and become rabid creatures. To the females, they can still control it, but it's more like being drunk and irritated while extremely ecstatic the same time. Eventually, the effects wear off as the brain adapts to the new body, but for some unfortunate ABs, they just end up never adapting and becoming insane forever.
But most cases, like Riful and Luciela adapt in a short while.
And Priscilla easily adapted to her Awakening, but it seemed like she embodied some new traits of confidence, bravery, courage, etc etc when she awakened.

[kaidedshard]

Yeah, the very, very, very awkward thing I notice about the DoD is that they all look the same.
In the little flashback, they're all towering humanoid dragon-like things with spikes and whatsoever.
When Claymores awaken, they all turn out different shapes and forms.

Some theories;
-The same form awakening of the DoD is probably biological; they're most likely the same species
-But I also think DNA composition also takes a toll on the Awakening result, and although humans have 99.9% DNA or so in common, the DoD may only have one base pairing different, or have the identically same DNA (perhaps clones of each other? Since they are hermaphrodites and they could produce offspring by themselves...forgot the term for that...asexual reproduction?)
-They all have extremely tough skin (no idea if this is just human-tough, or Claymore-tough like Duff's skin)
-Maybe they just awaken to be the same form; they aren't really humans, so it could just be a biological part of their "race/species", sort of like turning into an amplified monster instead of an adult sized version after they mature (since Rimuto did say that all the DoD warriors turn out to be awakened, suggesting it as a natural part of their lives, rather than be propelled by hatred/anger)
-If their Awakening is a natural part of their lives, then they essentially are just donning a permanent robotic body, and unlike the Org's AB, they still possess the same mind and Awaken without a Yoma parasite in their heads
(Kind of weird viewing Awakening as a natural smooth process rather than some hatred explosion-type combustion)
-Or it could be the Yoma parasite that makes the Org's ABs mind and way of thinking change
^Perhaps the Org's goal was similar to creating an AB that did not get their sanity modified after Awakening


And there's also the reason why AB can't be counted on for battle.
Remember that when they Awaken, the Claymores become insane most of the time, unless they have Jean-like Mentality.
They just go and keep fighting, and either die (because too dumb to retreat, and more so they can't retreat, because when they do) : or they retreat and kill everyone in their own troops.
Essentially, that's why the Soul Link experiments were conducted. They needed not only warriors who could control their sanity and actions efficiently during Awakening, but also the ability to revert back to human form.

since we have not seen the process as to how they make claymores other than what has been told to us. that being they need two living dragon kin. to cut from and a host to inplant it in. we dont know what kind of technology the main land has. claymore seems built in a midevil time frame. but we dont know if that is truly the case. it leads me to wonder just what kind of world this is built on in the main land. if we seen what kind of tools they used in the frankensteining of a claymore we could accurately know what kind of world the main land has to offer. the claymores on their backs cant be dented/scratched/broken/rusted you name it its impervious. they have thus to produce any alchemy styled or magic in this world. so its safe to assume its all science based. if that is the case, we can safely assume their metallurgy is superior to our real life metals. in this fantasy world. but with the factor that its based all on a claymore sword. we can only assume that only their metalurgy thus far is superior to real life. but we can not discount the possibility that they can use their metals for other things as well. so my concern comes in the form of their manufacturing of both the swords and the claymore half breeds as well.

on the main land as was stated. they are losing. they are desperate. and many of their warriors awaken on the front lines and kill friend and foe alike. with this in mind. and not knowing if their are more islands like the one this world of claymore is currently placed on. we can assume that the results of all their research is sent directly back to the main land. meaning this....

any monster on this island can be reproduced on the mainland. failed and or other wise.
prissicla is not a one of a kind if this is indeed the case. clare will not be a one of a kind if this is indeed the case. they would have built a larger scaled weapons facility on the main land that was pumping out new models day by day.

[number12michael]

I never said anything about humanity.
What I meant by sanity is their mind/brain's thought process.
Obviously the mind/brain eventually gets used to their Awakening and settles down, in the case of Riful.
But right after Awakening, notice how Luciela acted, killing everyone in the Organization, wounding her sister in the eye (probably didn't even know who she was), and then deserted the Organization.
Yet after some decades, she seems so calm and wise while fighting Isley and then even notices Rafaella and remembers her memories again.

It's sort of like alcohol and being drunk.
You momentarily lose your sanity and do wild things (swear, beat people up, etc etc).
This is similar to the Claymores. Awakening is akin to sexual arousal, and to Males they cannot control this at all and become rabid creatures. To the females, they can still control it, but it's more like being drunk and irritated while extremely ecstatic the same time. Eventually, the effects wear off as the brain adapts to the new body, but for some unfortunate ABs, they just end up never adapting and becoming insane forever.
But most cases, like Riful and Luciela adapt in a short while.
And Priscilla easily adapted to her Awakening, but it seemed like she embodied some new traits of confidence, bravery, courage, etc etc when she awakened.

Prissy was an odd one she seemed to change quite a lot (or maybe thats what prissy was really like inside but she was just calm and polite on the outside?)

[Whirlzap]

since we have not seen the process as to how they make claymores other than what has been told to us. that being they need two living dragon kin. to cut from and a host to inplant it in. we dont know what kind of technology the main land has. claymore seems built in a midevil time frame. but we dont know if that is truly the case. it leads me to wonder just what kind of world this is built on in the main land. if we seen what kind of tools they used in the frankensteining of a claymore we could accurately know what kind of world the main land has to offer. the claymores on their backs cant be dented/scratched/broken/rusted you name it its impervious. they have thus to produce any alchemy styled or magic in this world. so its safe to assume its all science based. if that is the case, we can safely assume their metallurgy is superior to our real life metals. in this fantasy world. but with the factor that its based all on a claymore sword. we can only assume that only their metalurgy thus far is superior to real life. but we can not discount the possibility that they can use their metals for other things as well. so my concern comes in the form of their manufacturing of both the swords and the claymore half breeds as well.

on the main land as was stated. they are losing. they are desperate. and many of their warriors awaken on the front lines and kill friend and foe alike. with this in mind. and not knowing if their are more islands like the one this world of claymore is currently placed on. we can assume that the results of all their research is sent directly back to the main land. meaning this....

any monster on this island can be reproduced on the mainland. failed and or other wise.
prissicla is not a one of a kind if this is indeed the case. clare will not be a one of a kind if this is indeed the case. they would have built a larger scaled weapons facility on the main land that was pumping out new models day by day.

I have one slight suspicion that the Claymore Island was chosen because of its extremely primitive technology, scientific knowledge, and environment.
It's quite obvious that the Organization wants to establish some power/wealth on that island, and they don't want any type of technology or company that can compete with them.
So my theory is that either the island/people there themselves have not evolved yet, or the Organization has intentionally stripped all technology there.
It's similar to how the rumor about Yoma existing on the island ever since the start was circulated by the Organization as a lie, but the truth was lost through several generations, and thus became fact.
Perhaps the Organization took away all the technology in that island or reduced it slowly until it became a colonial mess.
Or again, the island is an isolated "relatively small in comparison [to Mainland]" landmass that is supposedly very distant from any other communication of life, thus crushing any minute chance of advancing past wagons and swords.

From this theory, the Mainland, on the contrary, would boast modern world 21-st century technology, or more likely, some technological surges a few centuries ahead of us.
Why?
Because if the Mainland were like the Claymore Island, the sole existence of the technology of creating Claymores, yet the lack of any guns or electronic utilities such as TV/cars/phones/etc on the island, is virtually impossible. It makes no logical sense. Here we are, in the 21st century, struggling to produce artificial life, but decades ago mastered the art of warfare, yet we have a remote island with biologically enhanced human life and complete lack of weapon combat superior than that of an iron sword and shield.
Though there is the slight chance that this could happen, it's very unlikely for a civilization to develop technologically in such a manner (exponential advancement in one faction, yet primitive traces in another).
So what I'm stating is that perhaps there are teleportation devices, lasers, 4D stuff, etc etc (and the Claymore technology being one of them) on the Mainland.

Yet this theory again seems quite doubtful, since again and again, it has been exaggeratedly hinted that Claymore is supposed to be a "medieval world" and we have seen the warfare prototypes in the Mainland; spears, armors, JUST LIKE medieval warfare.
And unless they advanced into such a futuristic world within such a short period of time, my guess is that the situation in the Mainland has not really improved much, considering that they really don't have much time to culturally, economically, socially, and technologically develop in the midst of a terrifying war.

The more plausible theory is simply to me, it seems now, is that the DoD are essentially a much more bizarre, DNA-diverse, exotic species unique to the Mainland and so.
Think of them as much more genetically vibrant breeds of wolves. Yes, wolves.
Remember how primitive men used to wage war with...dogs/wolves and spears with stone shafts?
Except these DoD are just extremely unique wolves.
And then there happens to be an extremely lucky modification in discovering the Claymore technology, light-years ahead, and not knowing anything about DNA and genetics at all.
But then again, this IS a fantasy world. Maybe the stuff that their world is composed out of is based on substances called "hatred" and "Eyou-kee" and "Eyou-mah" rather than DNA and cells.

[faintsmile1992]

Since this isn't our world they might possess a different 'tech tree' than ours. Its also possible they have a taboo against gun use in case firearms disrupt the social order like in Edo Japan.

The different relationship that social elites and commoners have toward technology in Claymore reminds me of Dune.

[wickedsmile]

Since this isn't our world they might possess a different 'tech tree' than ours. Its also possible they have a taboo against gun use in case firearms disrupt the social order like in Edo Japan.

The different relationship that social elites and commoners have toward technology in Claymore reminds me of Dune.

Hi Faint:

What do you mean by this? Forgive me, I have only see the movie Dune, which was produced by Dino De Laurentiis (Yeah the same as Giada De Laurentiis). I saw two versions, although the one I remember most vividly featured Kyle McLachlan, Patrick Stewart and a very young Sting. So my point of view is based soley on the movies and not on the book, which has been herald as the greatest SiFi book of our century.

From what I saw, the major houses and those of influence had the use of interstellar travel via use of Spice. The lower classes or servants merely tagged along on the ride to serve those of authority. I don't see any difference between reality or anything portrayed in Claymore. Those of influence or power determine the lives and destiny of the weaker. The Organization, wielding warriors and yomas, dictated the financial obligations of the commoners.

WS

[kaidedshard]

I have one slight suspicion that the Claymore Island was chosen because of its extremely primitive technology, scientific knowledge, and environment.
It's quite obvious that the Organization wants to establish some power/wealth on that island, and they don't want any type of technology or company that can compete with them.
So my theory is that either the island/people there themselves have not evolved yet, or the Organization has intentionally stripped all technology there.
It's similar to how the rumor about Yoma existing on the island ever since the start was circulated by the Organization as a lie, but the truth was lost through several generations, and thus became fact.
Perhaps the Organization took away all the technology in that island or reduced it slowly until it became a colonial mess.
Or again, the island is an isolated "relatively small in comparison [to Mainland]" landmass that is supposedly very distant from any other communication of life, thus crushing any minute chance of advancing past wagons and swords.

From this theory, the Mainland, on the contrary, would boast modern world 21-st century technology, or more likely, some technological surges a few centuries ahead of us.
Why?
Because if the Mainland were like the Claymore Island, the sole existence of the technology of creating Claymores, yet the lack of any guns or electronic utilities such as TV/cars/phones/etc on the island, is virtually impossible. It makes no logical sense. Here we are, in the 21st century, struggling to produce artificial life, but decades ago mastered the art of warfare, yet we have a remote island with biologically enhanced human life and complete lack of weapon combat superior than that of an iron sword and shield.
Though there is the slight chance that this could happen, it's very unlikely for a civilization to develop technologically in such a manner (exponential advancement in one faction, yet primitive traces in another).
So what I'm stating is that perhaps there are teleportation devices, lasers, 4D stuff, etc etc (and the Claymore technology being one of them) on the Mainland.

Yet this theory again seems quite doubtful, since again and again, it has been exaggeratedly hinted that Claymore is supposed to be a "medieval world" and we have seen the warfare prototypes in the Mainland; spears, armors, JUST LIKE medieval warfare.
And unless they advanced into such a futuristic world within such a short period of time, my guess is that the situation in the Mainland has not really improved much, considering that they really don't have much time to culturally, economically, socially, and technologically develop in the midst of a terrifying war.

The more plausible theory is simply to me, it seems now, is that the DoD are essentially a much more bizarre, DNA-diverse, exotic species unique to the Mainland and so.
Think of them as much more genetically vibrant breeds of wolves. Yes, wolves.
Remember how primitive men used to wage war with...dogs/wolves and spears with stone shafts?
Except these DoD are just extremely unique wolves.
And then there happens to be an extremely lucky modification in discovering the Claymore technology, light-years ahead, and not knowing anything about DNA and genetics at all.
But then again, this IS a fantasy world. Maybe the stuff that their world is composed out of is based on substances called "hatred" and "Eyou-kee" and "Eyou-mah" rather than DNA and cells.

just assume that it could still be a midevil world. via the idea that they may just have more unique ores/metals on this planet. this would keep a higher end metalurgy than ours just because we lack that said ore/element on our planet.

second theory would be that they did suppress the tech like you said.

maybe its lost technology. maybe the main land had a break through in metallurgy just before the arrival of the dragon kin. this would give rise to the notion of something along the lines of the library of Alexandria. and how it was burned to the ground with multiple cultures technology lost to history. of course some of it was recovered. the hole i see to this theory is the weapon called the claymore/half breed was a reactive measure to counter the dragon kin. however the sword its self could have came about before then. its hard to ponder on because yagi has left soo much info out about the main land.

[Whirlzap]

^I believing that this whole Mainland thing was never planned out from the start.
The way it was explained and put into the story seems like it was another desperate attempt made by Yagi.
Honestly, having all this stuff about the Claymore Island and then oh, we have a whole another world in front of us some 80 chapters later?
Who else wants to bet that we'll never hear about the Mainland again (or at least until Yagi needs to cover up more plot holes)?

[evil_kenshin]

^I believing that this whole Mainland thing was never planned out from the start.
The way it was explained and put into the story seems like it was another desperate attempt made by Yagi.
Honestly, having all this stuff about the Claymore Island and then oh, we have a whole another world in front of us some 80 chapters later?
Who else wants to bet that we'll never hear about the Mainland again (or at least until Yagi needs to cover up more plot holes)?

To be honest with the org's defeat more or less, there is no further use to even discuss the mainland unless possibly after all enemies are defeated and Miria decides she wants to travel there.

[faintsmile1992]

Hi Faint:

What do you mean by this? Forgive me, I have only see the movie Dune, which was produced by Dino De Laurentiis (Yeah the same as Giada De Laurentiis). I saw two versions, although the one I remember most vividly featured Kyle McLachlan, Patrick Stewart and a very young Sting. So my point of view is based soley on the movies and not on the book, which has been herald as the greatest SiFi book of our century.

From what I saw, the major houses and those of influence had the use of interstellar travel via use of Spice. The lower classes or servants merely tagged along on the ride to serve those of authority. I don't see any difference between reality or anything portrayed in Claymore. Those of influence or power determine the lives and destiny of the weaker. The Organization, wielding warriors and yomas, dictated the financial obligations of the commoners.

WS

I meant that in the books, the commoners see technology as a form of magic. The difference is that Dune is written from the point of view of social elites whilst the protagonists of CM are largely 'in the dark'.

There exist other similarities ie. the similarity of the Spice Agony to the Awakening, and superpowered female armies.

[Leroid]

To be honest with the org's defeat more or less, there is no further use to even discuss the mainland unless possibly after all enemies are defeated and Miria decides she wants to travel there.

Well after all the enemies are defeated, there's still a very real possibility that whichever side wins the war on mainland decides to invade the island next (and we know that both sides are aware of the island's existence).

[kaidedshard]

^I believing that this whole Mainland thing was never planned out from the start.
The way it was explained and put into the story seems like it was another desperate attempt made by Yagi.
Honestly, having all this stuff about the Claymore Island and then oh, we have a whole another world in front of us some 80 chapters later?
Who else wants to bet that we'll never hear about the Mainland again (or at least until Yagi needs to cover up more plot holes)?

yagi has left more loose ends than can be accounted for that's for sure. hes just been spitting out chapter after chapter with out any clearing anything up. terresas strength, the main land, the current riful/daulf, the destroyers relation to clare, why ruebel keeps dae alive, why ruebel is sided with the dragon kin. there is no info on ruebels background at all. these just a couple of the holes he left in his back yard of his manga. he needs to address a ton of things.

[Brother Coa]

Who else wants to bet that we'll never hear about the Mainland again (or at least until Yagi needs to cover up more plot holes)?

To be honest with the org's defeat more or less, there is no further use to even discuss the mainland unless possibly after all enemies are defeated and Miria decides she wants to travel there.

I disagree, there is entire thread on this matter and most people agreed that there is a great possibility that Organization mainland force will invade the island i nthe time or after the last battle to try to regain control over the experiment.

Witch is logical, when your most important military experiment go into crisis you try to stabilize the situation in any way you can. Giving how much desperate Organization must be I am sure we will see some kind of attack maybe near the end or during the very battle at Rabona that is waged right now. Or maybe they will attack Org. HQ first, massacre Claymores there and those who survived the attack will retreat and warn Ghosts just as the battle is getting to it's climax.

In any way, I don't think that Yagi will leave Mainland as it is - just a mentioning.

[Leroid]

I disagree, there is entire thread on this matter and most people agreed that there is a great possibility that Organization mainland force will invade the island in the time or after the last battle to try to regain control over the experiment.

Witch is logical, when your most important military experiment go into crisis you try to stabilize the situation in any way you can. Giving how much desperate Organization must be I am sure we will see some kind of attack maybe near the end or during the very battle at Rabona that is waged right now. Or maybe they will attack Org. HQ first, massacre Claymores there and those who survived the attack will retreat and warn Ghosts just as the battle is getting to it's climax.

The Organization mainland force might be too busy with the war to be in a position to invade the island. However if the war for ends for whatever reasons then all the bets are off.