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i agree with you acacia.
but it's surprising how heated some people can get. (:
i think this discussion is.. ooooooooovvaaaaa! (:
anime is anime. wateeeeevvaaaaz. lol.
For me to speak of anime, anime has to be ALL japanese made...
@ topic -- I think anime has to be from japan to be called anime i mean there are shows close to anime ((Avatar,Teen titans, Ben 10 , Teenage mutant ninja turtles (Not fast forward)) )) but i think for the most part anime is from japan.
HAH, good luck finding THAT.Originally Posted by koenosaki
'Cause, you DO know a lot of aspects of animation (coloring, music, etc.) are done in many countries ('sup Korea)
In any case, I think the term "anime" is a highly-characterized art style, like realism, or futuristic. Though I consider most cartoons from Japan "anime"
your point is well reasoned out acacia. You know, it is one of the reasons i asked some of the questions one the previous page.Originally Posted by Acacia
I love this opinion.
Ah, sorry; I missed your previous post (though I have no idea how; it's in such bright colors! >_<;; )Originally Posted by venicia777
To answer your question though:
1. But one thing that i remember which became an interesting bone of contention was will an animation not created in japan but animated by japanese animators be called anime?
I think it can count as anime as long as the art itself is drawn in an anime style. For example, I'm Korean, and I draw. However, if I draw a very realistic comic-short, does that mean it's "manwha"? Sure, if you go to Korea, it'll be manwha, but that's because "manwha" means "comic" in Korean. However, it's not done in a manwha/manga/cartoon/exaggerated style. So, I think that a Japanese person can draw or animate something, but not have it automatically be considered "anime."
2. What if a foreign themed animation (cartoon) is animated in Japan but the drawings and art are foreign? a good example is Airbender (of course here japan is korea- am i right?)-- will it still be a cartoon?
Same as my answer in number 1, really.
In all honesty, trying to define what "anime" is is tough; there's the origin vs. style debate, and there's probably many others out there. There's a lot of factors to consider, and it's incredibly difficult to argue to someone who stubbornly thinks otherwise.
So, in short: think whatever the hell you want <3
Oh, do we start the Japanimation and Amerimanga debate again from a few years ago?
Heh, guess that term will just never become clear for all. I'm pretty fine with wikipedias explanation:
See:Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#Definition
And for Avatar&Co...
And to be honest. Depending on the person I talk to, I call animes "Zeichentrick" (german term for animated series/movies, literally: character-trick), as well as I call US-animations "Zeichentrick". If it's not an anime fan as well, then I don't see the point to cause confusion by using different terms, especially when I talk to other parents and elders who are not familiar with Japanese media.
Besides the US term "cartoon" refres in my opinion to Warner Bros' and Disneys short cartoons and similiar stuff. I wouldn't call a more complex animated series or an animated movie that way, but that's 'cause I'm not a native speaker. If someone says cartoon in German, then I usually think about Tom&Jerry or Donald Duck.
Same with the difference in Japanese and Western understanding of the term "anime", imho.
I use the terms cartoon and comic for both Japanese anime and manga, at least IRL and sometimes on the internet.
Personally I feel that making a big deal out of it is ridiculous when one considers that anime and manga are basically just cartoons and comics from Japan.
Is it such a crime to refer to them in the non-Japanophile way?
Big eyes, small mouth and from japan = anime
I've watched some Vietnamese animation that is obviously influenced by the "anime" art style but I can't bring myself to like anime until I watched Japanese series. I've had a hard time actually finding non-Japanese anime that I like and I'm fairly picky overall in what Japanese series I actually watch.
It's a unique dichotomy when it comes to what you watch based on origin. For example, my sister and I regularly watch Asian dramas. She however, only watches Hong Kong and Korean dramas, refusing to watch Japanese drams. I on the other hand only watch Hong Kong and Japanese dramas; I've never watched a Korean drama.
Last edited by roninmedia; December 03, 2007 at 10:01 AM.
anime: a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots often with fantastic or futuristic themes
Key word is originating. The style started there, others picked it up. But more than that, I agree with Acacia's last like - it's a pointless argument. Whether you call it cartoons or anime, if you like the show, watch it, and if you don't, don't. The creator's country of origin has nothing to do with the quality of the show. While it is true of course that most good anime is from Japan, that's only because most anime altogether is from Japan. Since there's very little produced elsewhere, that of course means fewer quality ones in turn, which is why you don't come across much.
anime is the japanese word for animation.
the japanese alphabet cant recreate the -tion sound that is in the american word animation, but they can use the "letters" they have to construe the word anima or as we spell it anime. when animation was introduced or whatever to Japan they could not use the word animation so they say anime.
and to clear that up, if its animation from japan, its anime.
Originally Posted by Wikipedia(this quote is a link)
Oops >.> eni covered the above quote.
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And "manga" is technically a Filipino word, so its not like it originated in Japan. Although I think its a pretty universal word for Japanese comics.
Anime is animation from Japan. I dont care if some people believe that American cartoons can be called anime, but the term anime notates a cartoon from Japan. If it isnt from Japan, then it technically shouldnt be called anime. Just like shounen and seinen; Shounen manga are published in shounen magazines and seinen manga are published in seinen magazines. No matter how "seinen" or "shounen" a manga looks, its classification is all about its origination.
afew years ago i would have agreed that if its not from japan its not anime but...the anime culture is becoming so big that it transcends the fact that only anime from japan is anime..plus if people try to make a anime style cartoon they always do so with someone who is a japanese anime person anyway so that it can still keep the anime feeling and depth. look at Afro Samurai
it looks completely like any good anime except for the black samurai but it works.