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Translations: Bleach 600 by BadKarma
24h rule - UB
Last edited by Uchiha_Blood; February 20, 2013 at 03:49 PM.
Bowing to the ground? I think that's a general body movement in the manga world. Tobirama, while he was about to begin talking about the Uchiha also did the same. It didn't really have anything to do with Hashirama's attack.
Hashirama's statement meant he didn't want to make it a fight to death, and cut it beforehand, but Madara disagreed and they needed to move with all they have.
While I believe Hashirama was the superior Shinobi, the body language or the respective statement didn't really back up my reasoning in that sense.
A fight to the death is a fight where the combatants jump at each other with the intention to kill. If they fail to accomplish the kill and it ends in a stalemate, with both of them being unable to continue fighting or one of them retreating to preserve his own life then it was still a death battle.
Nice selective reading.Quote:
Thats Madaras conclusion, and one panel later it gets refuted by Hashirama himself saying "thats not what I meant".
Similar words spoken, and we all know how that ended... Kakashi panting from barely being able to defend against an exhausted, nearly blind Sasuke.
Oh I'm sorry, I totally forgot about your ability to foresee the future.Quote:
Last edited by LnDRash; February 20, 2013 at 04:09 PM.
It's called blindness towards a character one likes/against a character one hates. The manga could state that Madara was stronger, but he'll still refute it and make up a reason why. Many fans of the series are like this, whether Minato fan, Itachi fan, or whatever fan.
Anyway, if MangaStream's version was right, then before their final fight they did fight seriously, but not serious enough to kill each other. Either that or Madara chose not to employ any horrible method, as he told Hashirama he changed since hte last time they fought.
It is clear that something spiky entered his body and you can see the effect on his back. This is another view of the sword you are talking about. It is consistent with the past. Where do you think Kyuubi was at this point? Where is PS? They are all gone ( I mean not at Madara's service anymore).
Again, I know we can make mistake, but I also know I read carefully, and I am not in general impressed by giant Jutsu or nonsense speech from character. Clearly, It is logical to see that Hashimara can make Madara run at anytime. With his massive power, he only need to use targeted earth Jutsu in combination with Mokuton to disable or bury Kyuubi+PS. If the shinobi in the war could lock Jubi with earth, I wonder what scale HAshi can produce. Besides, you need to see how Madara kept talking about Hashirama and using his jutsu. This fight is over. Now, Sasuke is going to see the unfolding of the history.
where a shadow of madara is on his knee and what look like a sword stabbing him.
He probably use the wrong picture or something.
But Madara and Hashirama tied or were unable to kill each other before their final fight, so yeah, Madara could have been as strong as Hashirama.
Also you said Madara could have been as strong as Hashirama and I disagree with this because that logic wouldn't work cause if madara= hashirama before the battle then I am pretty sure that madara+kuuybi should have allow madara to win the the battle, but it's didn't happen now did it. My guess are that most of their battle were interrupted like one side finish their mission first like what happen with minato that why madara get to live so long before VOTE.
Why are you of the opinion that Madara didn't have the Kyuubi last time they fought? Madara states that the Mokuryu was used to subdue Kurama in their past fights. And in this fight, we see Madara protecting Kurama from the Mokuryu so that it can't absorb it's chakra. The only way he'd learn to do this is if they already fought once and Hashirama subdued Kurama, leaving Madara to rely on his Perfect Susanoo form alone.
Where was this ever stated? It's been stated that Madara had EMS every time he and Hashirama fought. And we see a mangascan of Madara taking control of Kurama for the first time. And he has his EMS in that scan. Subdued and trapped isn't the same thing. Madara used Kurama against Hashirama, and Hashirama simply weakened him by absorbing his chakra with the Mokuryu. Afterward, because Kurama was summoned by Madara, Madara de-summoned him back to where he keeps him hidden. Makes perfect sense.
You have to remember, Madara and Hashirama built Konoha together. And during that point, Konoha kept Kurama and the other villages received the other Bijuu. Kurama was still around, without being inside of Mito while she's a jinchuuriki, before Hashirama and Madara had their "last" fight.
Last edited by ninjabot; February 20, 2013 at 10:58 PM.
Last edited by huynhlan; February 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM.