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Thread: Relevance of Heaven & Hell vs. HM & SS: Discussion on the Dimensions of Bleach

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    Re: Hell vs. HM vs SS: Discussion on the dimensions of Bleach

    Either way is good.
    I agree with VeshWolfe on the good/evil ranking.

    Aizen could very well be killed off and head to hell.
    In fact I was wondering about the sword/knife/weapon that whatever was in hell used to stab that evil soul. Perhaps it is super-dooper powerful? Afterall, what happens if they couldn't kill an evil soul/stab-it-to-death with that humongous thing?

    And even if Hell is never again included; I can imagine many people will create fanfiction/fanworks/OVAs of their own Hell arc if Bleach ends without delving into it.

    So either way it's all good.
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    Re: Bleach 341 Discussion/342 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Andonan View Post
    @Charlie:

    No more the fact that Shikai was once regarded to give a person the power of a third seat and that Bankai was the pinnacle f a Shinigami's power, Ichigo can't last 5 seconds without his shitty bankai, OR the fact that Hollows came from Hell not HM or the fact that Ichigo BEAT Zaraki and now Zaraki has fucking Kendo, or the fact...........I COULD GO ON!!!!!!!!!
    Well actually Hollows are from HM. At least if I'm not mistaken

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    Re: Bleach 341 Discussion/342 Prediction Thread

    URGH ok sorry for the bloody technicality mishap but you guys know what i mean HELL was mentioned as this big massive deal, of btw never MENTIONED FOR ANOTHER 370 odd chapters, i mean that is plot hole no jutsu X 10000000000000000


    Different in so many ways, but similar in even more......

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    Re: Bleach 341 Discussion/342 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Andonan View Post
    URGH ok sorry for the bloody technicality mishap but you guys know what i mean HELL was mentioned as this big massive deal, of btw never MENTIONED FOR ANOTHER 370 odd chapters, i mean that is plot hole no jutsu X 10000000000000000
    Why is hell not being mentioned a plot hole?
    They're not really spending much time purifying hollows anymroe so its only natural.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/7/10/
    Look, Ooshima was introduced in chapter 7! He hasn't appeared again in 330+ chapters! zomgah, plot hole! Where is my Ooshima! New captain of the 5th division anyone?

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    Re: Bleach 341 Discussion/342 Prediction Thread

    so your saying that if SS was now dropped from the plot completely u wouldn't think it was strange / plot hole, because remember this is still a story OF HEAVEN AND HELL, and unfortunately god, that is Aizen's god, and if Kubo and Christian's are to be believed (which i think is rubbish anyway ) there can't be heaven without hell or god without the devil


    Different in so many ways, but similar in even more......

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    Re: Bleach 341 Discussion/342 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Andonan View Post
    so your saying that if SS was now dropped from the plot completely u wouldn't think it was strange / plot hole, because remember this is still a story OF HEAVEN AND HELL, and unfortunately god, that is Aizen's god, and if Kubo and Christian's are to be believed (which i think is rubbish anyway ) there can't be heaven without hell or god without the devil
    No.. I meant that hell: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/12/10/

    Then Heaven and Hell were substituted by SS and HM, and "God", and "Devil" is then Yamamoto and Aizen

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    Re: Hell vs. HM vs SS: Discussion on the dimensions of Bleach

    this isnt a story about heaven and hell
    it's about shinigami keeping order in the world by keeping the number of souls in each world relatively similar

    and shouldnt their be a figure similar to the king of soul society like a queen of the hollows
    because every thing has a counterpart arrancars=vizards, hollows=shinigami, captains=espada
    Last edited by Urtear; January 20, 2009 at 06:48 PM.

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    Re: Hell vs. HM vs SS: Discussion on the dimensions of Bleach

    There is certainly a Hell which is different from HM since Rukia says that evil souls and purified hollows go there.

    What hell is exactly is unknown mind you, but it is certainly present.

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    Re: Bleach 341 Discussion/342 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil3ye View Post
    No.. I meant that hell: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/12/10/

    Then Heaven and Hell were substituted by SS and HM, and "God", and "Devil" is then Yamamoto and Aizen
    No God is supposed to be the SS King... even if he is a lazyass who doesn't anything: he would have been behaded very quickly in the material world.
    Anyway let's face it: Hell is a dimension totally different from Hueco Mundo and Kubo Tite can throw it in the plot anytime. I think he introduced that dimension as a plot device to use should Bleach having success: at the time Hell was mentioned Bleach was at its intial phase so its future was higly uncertain. I think we won't have any mention of it for a long time, because there is the hueco mundo arc to finish and then there is the royal dimension arc.

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    Re: The coming of Heaven and Hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Last Uchiha View Post
    Ever since the Vizards came along I have wondered about this other realms and crossovers of people. So far we have being presented with the Shinigami, the Hollow, the Quincy, the Soul, the Human, the Arrancar, the Vizard, and the many others peppered during the Filler Arcs. As well as the many realms like Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, the Human World and the Severing World.

    But there are many others that have being hinted and yet never presented. I feel the time for their appearance is coming.

    Unlike Naruto, Bleach tends to move at a much faster pace, both in the manga and the anime, and the fillers tend to be of small duration and more action packed. Not that I'm bashing Naruto, it's my 2nd favorite anime (after Ranma), just look at my user name.

    The manga has stated that during the winter, the final battle will come, and so far in the manga is summer. In the following chapters Aizen and SS will duke it out and it will probably be a draw. Then both sides will return to their corners and regroup.

    But what will happen in between? What other conflicts are there to be decided? What will Ichigo and company do until the final battle?

    Here is where I think Heaven and Hell will make an entrance. You see, both Chad and Orihime posses abilities that only Aizen has recognized to be beyond the known realms between SS and HM, and everyone else deems as supernatural.

    As Aizen has pointed out Orihime's ability of controlling time and making events change in a control space is concider sinful by heaven, which would probably mean Inoue is a fallen angel or a decendant of Heaven, just like Ichigo decends from a Shinigami. Then you got Chad, whose powers remained unchanged in SS but received a power-up in HM. HM is closer to Hell and it is very provable the closeness to the source of Chad's powers inherits him to awaken further, probably to the point of becoming a full armored demon, just like Ichigo, Inoue, and Ishida, he is a decendant of another race stranded in the human world.

    But why would Heaven and Hell care to intervene now of all times?

    Let's look at the unseen realms.

    Heaven: a place where the destined souls that Shinigami have transfered, having passes the trials of Souls Society by living in an impoverish state outside the walls of the Seretei, will arrive and rest in peace. Yamamoto has refered to it as "True Heaven" and has hinted you need a key to enter which only he posseses, but can also be duplicated under the right conditions.

    Hell: a place where all souls from the Human World decent after having commited sinful actions, such as killing humans (not human souls), they will be drawn into the Gates of Hell after being killed by a Shinigami when in Hollow form. We have seen the gates open for a hollow and a huge arm reaching for it and dragging him inside, probably the devil.

    Aizen plans to blow Karakura Town to bits and from the inmense amount of released spirit energy create his very own key and cross over to Heaven. Heaven has probably realized by now SS is not going to cut it and probably send their best people (perhaps the mentioned Royal Guard) to aid them against Aizen.

    In my opinion Aizen may strike a truce with whomever is in charge of Hell and convince him to side with him against the other realms, in which case this will all become an all out war from all sides and we will have ourselves plenty of Bleach for years to come. This will also arise many questions as to the identity of Inoue and Chad and their alliances to other realms. And I hope we are introduced to devine beings and demons, in a manner that would help Ichigo further power-up for a final battle.

    Is just a thought, but I hope the plot leans towards that direction.

    I don't believe soul society is the true heaven. neither is the royal realm. that is just where the royal family and royal guard reside. i believe there is a true heaven that will come later after the aizen arc and will come into play with hell in some way
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    Re: Hell vs. HM vs SS: Discussion on the dimensions of Bleach

    I am just wondering how sad would it be to be dead thinking you'll be sent to heaven but then sent to Rukongai 80th district....especially if you have been good...dunno if they put people on district based on sins......

    Was Kenpachi badass as a human also?..

    Anyway...I think the big hand in hell's gate was Enma......

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    Re: Hell vs. HM vs SS: Discussion on the dimensions of Bleach

    ^Lol, wrong anime much?

    Aizen mention heaven before, as an outside reference concerning SS, so SS is not heaven.
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    The inability to accept what I can't,
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    Re: Bleach 341 Discussion/342 Prediction Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Andonan View Post
    so your saying that if SS was now dropped from the plot completely u wouldn't think it was strange / plot hole, because remember this is still a story OF HEAVEN AND HELL, and unfortunately god, that is Aizen's god, and if Kubo and Christian's are to be believed (which i think is rubbish anyway ) there can't be heaven without hell or god without the devil

    ..............um SS is a big part of the CURRENT bleach plot, right now hell isn't. its called foreshadowing
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    Re: Hell vs. HM vs SS: Discussion on the dimensions of Bleach

    Personal I think that he'll would win becuz sinners Were sent the by shinigami's and will get stronger to take revenge on them
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    Re: [FEATURED] Relevance of Heaven & Hell vs. HM & SS: Discussion on the Dimensions of Bleach

    Renamed the thread to facilitate more discussion regarding the concept of HM & SS in comparison with Heaven & Hell. I don't suppose HM is exactly a Hell or SS is equivalent to Heaven. However, the basic frame is there. I wonder, if we are going to see actual Heaven or Hell in Bleach. Where SS King lives, can it be termed as Heaven? I am sure you guys/gals have lots of interesting theories to share.

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