Hello everyone!!!
This news post announcement is regarding the upload rules for raws and scans at MH. Basically, an updated version of the previous announcement made
HERE.
We're updating the rules to cover up some previous loopholes that needed to be taken care of. Sorry for any inconveniences.
Quote:
Basically, every release now must meet the following criteria:
1. Has to provide a non-profit download resource, online viewing is not considered one
2. Must be accessible to the public without the need for registration.
3. Needs to be accessible in a user-friendly way.
For more clarification on the previous rules, please read the previous (
announcement).
Now for the additions:
Online viewing is not considered a "DDL" (Direct Download)It seems we weren't clear enough on this one. Web based online viewing or any other reading method that does not have an option to transfer the entire archive of the release to your local PC from the server is not considered a download source.
So from now on, please supply the readers with an alternative download source to your online viewing method. Online viewing is simply considered an extra benefit to your release.
What is a non-profit download resourceIt is a download source which doesn't enable monetary gain either by the download-provider itself or via third party services such as cash click services.
So supply alternative links to non-profit source(s) for the readers to choose from for your releases. We understand the need to have a monetary source to buy the related items (magazines, tanks, books, etc), so if you need to have such links as a way to earn money,
clearly advertise what the link is and make sure there's a clear non-profit option available along with it. This allows the readers to choose whether to use such links or not.
Donations must be a choice for the readers, not forced.
TorrentsThis transfer protocol is acceptable alternatives like usual as long as they are not abused to get around the rules. If it's a torrent, it must work at all times (and not die).
//edit as of 28th Feb 10IRCIRC is no longer considered as non-profit links due to reports of members ended up using 'for profits' links. Besides, quite a number of members do not know how to use IRC and would be left hopeless when faced with a IRC link. Hence a non-profit link or direct link would be more user friendly for them.
These amendments are to take place effective immediately. The two other points were already explained in the previous announcement.
Link:
http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/143Thank you.
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Uploading of Raws//editHi everyone, eni here. Additionally to the above rule change, I would like to inform you that we added a
'Korean-raw' (한국어 RAW) and
'Chinese-raw' (中文 RAW) language filter.
In case that you want to upload a manhwa or manhua raw, please
don't choose the normal Korean/Chinese language (or worse: the Japanese raw) anymore which is supposed to be for translation INTO one of these languages only. Use the new Korean/Chinese RAW filter for the native language uploads:
Naruto (translated into Korean) -> upload to '한국어'
Majeh - King of Hell (native Korean) -> upload to '한국어 RAW'Sadly, these won't appear as raws but as scanlations for the time being. It's a temporary solution until our system is capable to handle more than one raw language. This isn't an easy fix and will take a while.
A lot of native Korean/Chinese series were already uploaded wrong, particularly as Japanese raws. If you come across one which is in the wrong language filter, please report it to us. Thank you for understanding :)
Just a simple basic rule for any uploads:
Keep it free and easily accessible for everyone.
What the above three points do is only specify what we mean by this. No forced and hidden donations, no forced membership to access the downloads and no clicking through a link labyrinth. That's basically all. The rest are details.
EDIT: The Chinese/Korean filter was a great idea. Thanks, can't wait for it to be fixed~
Just include a SS or MF link in addition to whatever you normally do. It makes it easier for everyone.
Rapidshare, you can't do such a thing, so it's ok.
Personally, I just use SkipScreen(Add on for Firefox) to get rid of those pesky wait times and stuff on sites like MU. :S
Sometimes it's really like the people don't want you to download their releases, you need to click through various stuff, you don't know where to dl, it’s all just confusing, and I never understood why that is...
Also let me add, that you shouldn't forget about MH's DDL service offer. You can free and easily use it (also in case you don't know whether other services do agree with these terms or not, their own one will definitive) ;)
It looks to me that lately some scanlators scanlate only to make money.
MF got truly horrible at times.
So for the sake clarification, is allowing RS in this thread : "http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/143" is still valid ?
PS : RS only gives premium points that CAN't be exchange into money, only usable to extend an account or merchandises. Or you could take the lottery.
@ Wounded: Rapidshare is allowable under the rules because it is non-profit.
As for the donations portion, I don't believe in using monetary benefits to motivate myself into translating my favourite series. If the public wants to help the group out, they do not have to pay any cash, just join the group and contribute as either a translator or an editor. =)
I'm adding a release and in point 1, it says.."Online viewing is excluded (see HERE)".
And there's this Quality option, It never show up until now... o_O
Online viewing is not considered a download. Well technically you're still downloading data from the server, but download here carries the meaning of getting the archive into your local PC. Online viewing is (and always is) acceptable, but not counted as a "download".
Example:
By quality option, I take it you mean the LQ/MQ/HQ stuffs? MH no longer support that for scanlations. That option only available for raws.
"Has to provide a non-profit download resource"
then why you guys holding Summer Art Contest and providing rewards
in your way , no one should participate in for rewards
this sound good
Manga fans are getting more retarded they can't possibly manage to learn how to use torrent or irc. It feels as though you're doing fans a favour when really your just serving the stupid and making things harder for scanlators.
I agree with donations being an option and that we should not be forced to donate by only having the option of depositfile downloads. The rest I disagree with, their are groups who have irc or online reader only releases and do so for very clear reasons. Why force their hand?
please explain how hard this is...
/server servername ( ex: /server irc.irchighway.net )
/j #channel ( ex: /j #mangahelpers )
chat away
and a good amount of channels have triggers ( !manga01 ) and you are dl'ing
READ THE TOPIC!!! it's there for a reason.
then to learn bots is just as stupid simple...
first: go to IRC Options > DCC > Ignore and change the Method at the top to "disabled"
then find the packlist; type /msg botname xdcc list - either 2 things will happen it will tell you to visit a link it provides or it will list the files in the channel.
( ex: http://85.17.133.28/bot/?action=home&do=botlist# or http://gotlurk.net/?do=botlist ) ( seeing as those 2 sites have more than one packlist just pick a random bot and a packlist will be shown )
find the pack you want
(ex: #140 104x 67M La_Mosca_v03[ManWhore-Scans_A-Team].zip -
the #140 = the packlist number; the 104x = times downloaded; the 67M = filesize of the pack )
/msg botname xdcc send #140
guess what you are magically dl'ing!!!
took me 2 mins to write that... can't be that hard if that's all it took to explain.
and those ppl complaining about "depositfiles being a forced donation"... srsly? you spend 40 seconds? (not sure since i got a premium account) to dl a chapter and you support the group in it's future efforts, buying books for HQ releases, and you complain? do you not want HQ releases? and technically you aren't being forced to donate... you don't give money, you give time which you obviously have tons of...
Actually you spend 60 seconds. Unfortunately it's ONLY if you're in a country with a lot of download slots. Yesterday I spend like 3 hours to get like.. 5 releases from the latest A-Team's release batch. I could choose to pay like $20 for premium or look for web proxies, that allow scripts (60sec countdown) and don't have many people trying to do the same thing I was. No idea why they didn't make a xdcc for these releases.
I mean, I'm scanlator myself and I use DF too, but having DF as the only source is a really bad idea. I'm fine with profit downloads, as long as there's more than one mirror. Uploading.com gives less money, but pays for more countries, so the best choice is to have both DF and UP as mirrors.
What
"Besides, quite a number of members do not know how to use IRC and would be left hopeless when faced with a IRC link."
...Google?
"Hence a non-profit link or direct link would be more user friendly for them."
How about scanlator friendly?
"This allows the readers to choose whether to use such links or not."
Anybody get a statistic on how many people choose those links? I get around 200+ downloads to my MediaFire uploads, and two or three to my DepositFiles and RapidShare links, with around thirty going to my MegaUpload every single release. So in total, I have... maybe twenty DepositFiles points and a comparable amount everywhere else for those so-called "non-free" downloading services. I've spent around 100USD total for all of my volumes and scans, but I've only received around 10USD in donations. Since these upload sites obviously won't be supplementing my donations, I'm making quite a net loss here.
Also, I hope this isn't an ex post facto rule.
Anybody get a statistic on how many people choose those links? I get around 200+ downloads to my MediaFire uploads, and two or three to my DepositFiles and RapidShare links, with around thirty going to my MegaUpload every single release. So in total, I have... maybe twenty DepositFiles points and a comparable amount everywhere else for those so-called "non-free" downloading services. I've spent around 100USD total for all of my volumes and scans, but I've only received around 10USD in donations. Since these upload sites obviously won't be supplementing my donations, I'm making quite a net loss here.
I can give you a good estimate how many people actually download from these profit links. When I release well-known mangas (bleach, hsdk and etc) it's about 1500 downloads++ for MF link whereas there is about 200-300 for profit links. It is about a 5(-10):1 ratio which may vary.
I'm currently in Japan and depositfile sucks anus here! It's not one of the places with a lot of download slots. I tried so many different things to get the file, it was an extreme hassle.
All in all, this non-profit links is to keep it free and accessiable to members. And because we understand that scanlators need donations to continue the work they are doing, we allow direct money giving hosting link as well. However, whichever links (depositfiles or others) best suit your group and purpose, we leave it to you to explore.
By definition profit means to make a benefit/gain, which you do if the host pays the uploader (money) so if you use MU or similar hosts, you should be providing a non-profit alternative.
Yes, it's not that hard to use IRC if you read the multiple guides that are available online. However, we're trying to make downloading as easy and user-friendly as possible. We don't want to force someone to download mIRC if they don't have that program if they want to download something.
If you are only given depositfiles (or other similar file hosting sites) as a downloading option, then aren't you forced to download from that because there are no other options? Sure you could wait a while to see if other sites will have the file, but you went to the scanlator's site for the release vs a manga DL aggregate site. This is why it's called a forced donation since you only have that as a download option and the file host pays the uploader money (even if it may be a measly amount).
We're not encouraging you to use the MH DDL option (although it's considered non-profit), we're encouraging you to provide a non-profit download option. We are in the process of getting more servers so download speeds should improve.
Well, by making registering mandatory in order to gain non-profit download links you're breaking the rules since essentially non-profit links are unavailable immediately...
@ XiongMao-kun:
What this means is that members are forced into using the for-profit links for lack of a non-profit DL option not requiring IRC. Requiring one non-profit DL option isn't that scanlator unfriendly...
You may upload it to MH or any other non-profit download file hosting site. If you don't want the manga hosted on MH, then you may use mediafire or other similar sites. Just know that MH will not delete your manga.
Well, scanlating is not meant for making a profit... At least you know you are one person that is supporting the mangaka since you're buying the raws~
We're mainly wanting to allow easier access for people to download manga and not have scanlators use trickery by forcing people to download using for-profit download links in order for them to gain money through scanlations. Afterall, providing scanlations shouldn't be about making money which you are doing by only allowing for-profit download links and somewhat forcing people to DL from a for-profit download source by only having IRC as an alternative.
And basically almost every uploading site nowadays give benefit to uploader, small or big.
Wait wait wait. Stop assuming I'm attempting to make a profit. All I want to do is not lose 90USD to something that I have to put effort into. Man, I'm wasting hours upon hours of my own time to produce scanlated manga. Is it too much to ask that I don't have to pay for it too? Look at all of the hentai manga translators; almost every single one who does that earns money through commissions. I'm not asking for a profit; I just want to break even.
This is not what rules say :P They say:
1. Every release has to provide a non-profit download resource, online viewing is not considered one.
2. Every release must be accessible to the public without the need for registration.
3. Every release needs to be accessible in a user-friendly way.
Rules says 'every release', which in 2nd and 3rd doesn't equal 'non-profit' links.
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Adding releases to mangaupdates is more than enough to get everyone to download your releases, so TBH you can just skip adding your chapters here :P (if you don't wanna provide non-profit links)
if i post both RS and MU will it be fine?
The reason why we don't count an online reader as a download source is because although you are technically downloading bits of data, you don't actually get to obtain the release and are able to read it at any time (offline included). The rule for no irc is because people are trying to get around the non-profit download rule by only having IRC. Plus, what could happen is that someone says they have it on bots, but then something happens to the bots and then the release is only available using the for-profit link. If a group only wants to provide for-profit links, then there's no need for them to post on MH.
Rapidshare is considered non-profit because the points that you gain from download clicks can only be used for obtaining a premium account or extending your premium account. You cannot obtain money through the points you gain. On the other hand, you can obtain cash through Megaupload.
If you're not willing to spend money to scanlate something and just want to be reinbursed for the money you used then don't bother. Either quit scanlating or use public raws. If you think you are wasting your time scanlating, then why bother?
@ Gradonil_Ral: Well, all groups have to provide a non-profit download link that doesn't require registration.
I already agreed that it is very easy to use mirc if you look at the guides in comment #41, but our goal is to make it easy for the user. Similarly, we don't want to make downloading mIRC a requirement in order to obtain a group's releases. At least this way, the user can gain your releases through a non-profit download link rather than go to an online manga reader.
Yes, since RS is considered non-profit, thereby providing at least one non-profit download link.
All you're going to achieve with this is have yet more scanlators decide against posting here. Especially the HQ ones.