View Full Version : One Piece: Epic Tale or Epic Fail?

February 01, 2011, 06:38 PM
I know everyone here is a One Piece fan (or hater) otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum. So I wanted to propose an idea and wanted to discuss this premise:

"One Piece is one of the great works of art to come out of human history like Beowulf and Gilgamesh. An Epic Tale in the form of a manga (or animation) as opposed to the recited poems of old. It showcases what makes mankind unique in their yearning for freedom, the politics of oppression, romance and the reaching for dreams through the journey of the strawhats as they overcome the greatest of obstacles and discover the secrets of their world. This epic tale will be a great piece to discuss and study for its in depth depiction of the struggles of humanity for years to come."

Personally, I have found One Piece to be an epic tale because of scenes like Blackbeard's "People's dreams never die!" speech and Dr. Hiruluk's last words "When does a man die?..." Those scenes have greatly impacted my outlook on society and understanding of people in real life.

If you enjoy One Piece, not just as an entertainment piece, but also a source of inspiration and learning, I would like to know what you think about the above premise and if you have any favorite and memorable scenes that you think makes One Piece an epic tale.

February 01, 2011, 06:48 PM
What i absolutely Love about OP is the Bonds of friendship through out the story line and its definitely a big part of the story like the first time i saw the CP9 saga i was just amazed by the limitations and the quarrels that Luffy went through to save one friend that in its entirety just amazed me

Mad Wanze
February 01, 2011, 06:52 PM
We must wait till One piece ends to know how legendary it'll be. Til now it sure IS epic, for the reasons you said. Oda is a wise person and his messages are deep and smart, and are beyond pure entertainment. Another great moment was Doflamingo speech at the war arc (whoever wins is justice: defintely true) and Bon Clay's death (?) (Let us meet again in the okama fields: hymn to true friendship). I hope we'll have more moments like those

February 02, 2011, 12:57 AM
I have to agree with Mad Wanze here. As much as we are all One Piece fans, an epic tale is that which is remembered beyond it's time for many great reasons.

So for me, to class it as an "epic tale" it will not only have to finish with equal or higher standards than it's current form, BUT ALSO remain epic long after we've read through the entire thing once.

February 02, 2011, 01:13 AM
Well for now OP is simply the best Manga on the market... (IMHO) of course..

BUt maybe in 1000 or so years if Op is still a well known and respected text (or series of texts) then perhaps we can consider it one of the great works of the ages..

Either way it's all pure win.

February 02, 2011, 11:25 AM
The manga is great, can't say I like the anime all that much though.

February 02, 2011, 02:39 PM
I completely agree with what Mad Wanze said. I guess what I was hoping to ask was for a prediction. I doubt that One Piece will actually be world famous hundreds of years from now like Shakespere's literature. But "does the literary value of its in depth story worth being studied and considered an epic tale?" was kinda what I was getting at.

Another great moment was Doflamingo speech at the war arc (whoever wins is justice: defintely true) and Bon Clay's death (?) (Let us meet again in the okama fields: hymn to true friendship). I hope we'll have more moments like those

Those were great moments that I forgot about too. Thanks for pointing them out. I also want to add a couple more:
-Tower of Justice scene where Robin says if she's allowed to declare her wish, she wants to be taken out to sea with her friends.
-Luffy's arguement with Vivi where he tells her, for once, to try risking her friends' lives along with her.

February 05, 2011, 07:06 PM
Because it is a Manga, and although it has an enormous readership, i doubt that One Piece will be considered an Epic Tale like Beowulf, from a global perspective, any time soon.
Maybe decades after it ended, but that is obviously just speculation. If Oda manages to pull off a good middle part and ending, which naturally are the hardest part in epic tales, then One Piece will definitely rise. Like Wanze and the others already mentioned, and I agree :)

If you discuss One Piece' influence on people, then i think it is a whole another discussion! :)
The examples you named, although just two out of many, have taught me somethings, i must admit. :) One Piece, at least for me, is beyond entertainment! And i'm not saying, that it just motivates or inspires oneself.
Certain moments in the story set a change of paradigm fin people and this is what makes it so invaluable as a story. It is so enormously rich in moments of greatness! I could read certain parts over and over again just for certain Dialogues or simple words!

And more .. you also have a lot of moments of great joy, humor, relieve, sadness.. you name it!

If One Piece ever finds itself in the ranks of "Stories that must be read" than it is exactly for these certain moments in the story that just grab you by the heart.

PS: the Scene with Blackbeard was truly one to remember. But it is the bar scene and what Blackbeard says afterwards, that makes it complete :)
Simply exhilarating!

February 07, 2011, 10:09 AM
The thing I love about One Piece is that it's huge and long. The same thing I love about a good videogame. The world of One Piece is so vast and lengthy and as deep as we are in the manga there are still many things yet to be seen. We've seen all the characters grow physically and mentally. There are so many people, so many attributes to this manganime. I'm glad there are no votes for it being an epic fail, because then that would be an epic fail.

April 03, 2011, 11:37 PM
Hmm, it kind of is and isn't an epic tale, depending on how you look at it.

In terms of how big it is in popularity, it's nowhere near an epic tale. Being a manga, it's pretty much confined to manga fans. While mangas are huge in Japan, elsewhere they have a pretty small fan-base, so I doubt it's ever going to reach the status of stuff such as Beowulf and the Iliad and Odyssey.

However, in terms of it's storyline and plot and character, etc, I think it is an epic tale. It has the length, and it has the archetypes that define epics. And as people have said, it also has the entertainment factor, with a little bit of humor and romance thrown in, and enough serious moments (like the ones you mentioned) to keep it from being just any other cartoon/anime/manga. In terms of how the story has evolved and what we are yet to see, it definitely qualifies as an epic. But, sadly, I don't think it will ever get big enough in popularity to be defined as one. Kind of a loss for all the people who have never heard of it.

PS: I just envisioned it becoming that big an earning the status, and me in school 100 years in the future learning about it. Ah, what an awesome English class that would be lol