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Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
December 25, 2006, 11:57 AM
Fast life on the fast lane. The world of motorsport has never been the same since the rise of Formula One (F1) Racing. Silverstone, England in 1950 is when the history of F1 starts and the whole world gaze in awe as the drivers paced their cars on the circuit going for the podium and the trophy.

Names like Nino Farina, Juan Manuel Fangio, Jackie Stewart, Nicki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, and recently retired Michael Schumacher are legends that goes down in history as the great F1 drivers.

Gentlemen, and Ladies too. Start your engine!

December 25, 2006, 02:31 PM
I really whould like to know how americans think about formula one or better how popular it is in the usa. Because after the the problem with the tires it seemed that formula one would have a hard way in the states.

December 27, 2006, 02:50 AM
Holy Crap, I thought this was the sports forum!

Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
December 27, 2006, 03:57 PM
Holy Crap, I thought this was the sports forum!
And you dont think F1 racing is a sport, Venom?

December 27, 2006, 05:34 PM
And you dont think F1 racing is a sport, Venom?

Care to tell me what's so athletic about sittin' on your ass and driving? I did quite a bit of that today...

December 28, 2006, 02:27 AM
Care to tell me what's so athletic about sittin' on your ass and driving? I did quite a bit of that today...

I care. :amuse

Some F1 facts for you to ponder upon before you say anything more.

'F1' is not only just 'F1'
F1 car is made up of 80,000 components, if it were assembled 99.9% correctly; it would still start the race with 80 things wrong!
When an F1 driver hits the brakes on his car he experiences retardation or deceleration comparable to a regular car driving through a BRICK wall at 300kmph!!!
F1 car can go from 0 to 160 kph AND back to 0 in FOUR seconds!!!!!!!
F1 car engines last only for about 2 hours of racing mostly before blowing up on the other hand we expect our engines to last us for a decent 20yrs on an average and they quite faithfully DO....that's the extent to which the engines r pushed to perform...
An average F1 driver looses about 4kgs of weight after just one race due to the prolonged exposure to high G forces and temperatures for little over an hour (Yeah that's right!!!)
At 550kg a F1 car is less than half the weight of a Mini.
To give you an idea of just how important aerodynamic design and added down force can be, small planes can take off at slower speeds than F1 cars travel on the track.
Without aerodynamic down force, high-performance racing cars have sufficient power to produce wheel spin and loss of control at 160 kph. They usually race at over 300 kph.
In a street course race like the Monaco grand prix, the down force provides enough suction to lift manhole covers. Before the race all of the manhole covers on the streets have to be welded down to prevent this from happening!
The refuelers used in F1 can supply 12 liters of fuel per second. This means it would take just 4 seconds to fill the tank of an average 50 liter family car. They use the same refueling rigs used on US military helicopters today.
TOP F1 pit crews can refuel and change tyres in around 3 seconds. It took me 8 sec to read above point
During the race the tyres lose weight! Each tyre loses about 0.5 kg in weight due to wear.
Normal tyres last 60 000 - 100 000 km. Racing tyres are designed to last 90 - 120 km.
A dry-weather F1 tyre reaches peak operating performance (best grip) when tread temperature is between 900C and 1200C.(Water boils boils at 100C remember) At top speed, F1 tyres rotate 50 times a second.

Tell me, if losing around 4kg of weight due to fluid loss everytime F1 driver drives his car isn't athletic, how many kgs of weight someone have to lose in a sport to make it seem athletic to you? :amuse F1 is wayyyyyyyy too athletic. It put so much strain on the body of the driver and it tests the stamina of the driver more than any other sports in the world. Everyone can kick a ball and play football but only those with super license can drive a F1 car. If you put yourself into a F1 car without proper stamina and fitness, you won't even be able to complete one lap. :amuse Try that as a "not athletic" sport. :amuse[br]Posted on: December 28, 2006, 03:26:57 PM_________________________________________________And yes, I'm a big fan of Formula 1. :D

December 28, 2006, 02:44 AM
Losing weight isn't athletic at all in mind. I mean, you can go to a body wrap place and lose 50 lbs in an hour or two! And a lot of your facts show how much crap is wasted at F1, basically a whole car or two.

I'm not denying you have to be fit and have stamina to do one of those races, but that doesn't make one an athlete either.

Really, I'm not kidding, no one will ever convince me that driving a race car is a sport, or that a race car driver is an athlete. I just couldn't help but throw in that comment.

December 28, 2006, 04:08 AM
Losing weight isn't athletic at all in mind. I mean, you can go to a body wrap place and lose 50 lbs in an hour or two! And a lot of your facts show how much crap is wasted at F1, basically a whole car or two.

I'm not denying you have to be fit and have stamina to do one of those races, but that doesn't make one an athlete either.

Really, I'm not kidding, no one will ever convince me that driving a race car is a sport, or that a race car driver is an athlete. I just couldn't help but throw in that comment.

What is you definition of athletic then? Strong body? Well, F1 driver trains their body everyday? Endurance? What about being trapped in a hot car for 2 hours in every race? Competitiveness? What about 15 corners of various chicanes, hairpins and straights? Rivalries? What about 20-22 cars racing at the same time at 300kph, one overtaking another?

Seriously, what is your definition of athletic? :)

Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
December 28, 2006, 05:17 PM
Whoa! Eileen! Now that's an extensive explanation. I'm definitely impressed :wtf
For me, F1 racing is not just a battle of speed or endurance. It also takes great concentration of the driver. Knowing how and when to overtake, braking late, judging the speed on corners without over/understeering and the guts to do that over and over.

December 29, 2006, 09:38 AM
To quote Wiki :

At full speed downforce of 2.5 times the cars weight can be achieved. The downforce means that the cars can achieve a lateral force of around four and a half times the force of gravity (4.5 g) in cornering - a road car might achieve around 1 g. Consequently in corners the driver's head is pulled sideways with a force equivalent to 25 kilograms. Such high lateral forces are enough to make breathing difficult and the drivers need supreme concentration to maintain their focus for the 1 to 2 hours that it takes to cover 305 kilometres.

The F1 pilots are taking a lot of g, since they're always decelerating and accelerating, they have that helmet that makes it hard to breathe, usually in a F1 cockpit the temperature is about 55°C (131°F), they have nothing to drink, must concentrate on the road because one mistake could end their lives, and they must do that for 90~100 minutes without taking a break.

If these guys are not athletes, then nobody is :noworry

December 29, 2006, 11:16 AM
Actually, they do have something to drink. They have a little tube inserted into through their helmet into their mouth. Whenever they want to drink, they just need to press the "water" button on their steering and they can drink from there. Still, there's only so much water for them to drink. Dehydration is still unpreventable. Just take a look at the drivers after they finish the race and have a press conference (top 3 drivers). They usually finish that one jug of water in front of them even before the conference ends. That alone tell us how much they had gone through in one race.

I agree on everything about the G force. :thumbs Imagine 3G of force pushing your neck to the right/left constantly. That's 30kg more of extra weight on the neck. >.>

Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
December 29, 2006, 11:39 AM
Ok, now a question about the upcoming season about Ferrari.
What do you think about their choosing Kimi Raikonnen as the replacement for Schummi?

December 29, 2006, 02:02 PM
Guys, look I just said what I said to push your buttons cause I knew it would. :p

No one is going to change anyone else's mind so let's just forget about it, eh? I just wanted to tease you a little bit.... :D

January 02, 2007, 04:22 AM
Ok, now a question about the upcoming season about Ferrari.
What do you think about their choosing Kimi Raikonnen as the replacement for Schummi?

I think it's a good one considering how limited their options really are. Obviously, they are not going to take someone who had just beaten their favorite boy to replace him, so Alonso is immediately out of the picture. Little brother is just not good enough for the team so Ralf isn't an option as well. They are basically left with Kimi if they are looking for someone who is talented, young and willing to leave his team. Kimi left Sauber to join McLaren in 2002 after an impressive season with Sauber. He was taunted as the next big thing and everyone expected this new flying finn to make history. His will was there but McLaren just wasn't good enough for him. In the same year, Peter Sauber decided to bring in another young rookie, a Brazilian one. Felipe Massa. Now, Peter was hailed as one of the best scouters if not the best *cough*Flavio*cough* and he brought in this no-name person to succeed a high-profile Kimi. Of course, Massa was under a lot of pressure as well as Sauber at that time. Massa flunked as expected :notrust in the first season despite showing impressive raw speed and talent. Now Ferrari and Sauber has been working closely for quite some time now. After all, Ferrari provided Sauber's engine for a good few years and genuinely, I suspect that Brawn/Todt might have just be the key persons behind the recruiting of Massa and Kimi. O.o They might have just make it seems like it's Peter Sauber who brought Massa and Kimi into Formula 1 but the real person who was pulling the string all the time was Todt/Brawn. Why were they doing so? My theory, they were already thinking ahead of time. They were already thinking of who's going to replace Michael/Rubens even in the year 2001, knowing the fact that Schumacher did not have many years left and Rubens wasn't going to play second fiddle to Schumacher after all. That's my theory. So if you ask me, is it a good buy? Yes, it is because all this have been planned since the very beginning. All these are just another conspiracy by the big boss in F1. :D

Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
January 02, 2007, 12:14 PM
That's what i think, Eileen (but not that extensive XD). It's too bad that Ralf just couldnt race as good as his brother. And Kimi is one of the future drivers that will bring a whole new level of competition by joining Ferrari. As for Alonso... he's good, too bad he didnt join Ferrari :D

May 03, 2007, 08:48 AM
No one interested in F1? *sob sob*

2007 is such an interesting season. Hamilton is the man to look out for. My bet in on Kimi to win. Massa will not win because he is too hasty, as always while I think Ferrari has an edge over McLaren, especially with the tires. Renault is down spiraling while BMW Sauber looks promising to me too. Middle group fight will be as tense as always and I am eager to see how far the new teams can bring themselves in this fight. :D

July 31, 2007, 06:28 AM
BMW Sauber Rules...

August 08, 2007, 10:59 AM
Just one thing bothering me though, when alonso was with Renault the car was very fast. So, when he decided to join McLaren, I thought he was making a big mistake... why would he leave when the team was on top? Now that we're seeing Renault down spiraling, I just wondered though, did alonso knew this was gonna happend and changed team??
Oh yeah, I am a fan of Kimi but I just can't help but being impressed by Lewis Hamilton. He kinda a bit reminds me of Michael Schumacher (my former favourite driver :) ) from the way he can pull something out of the bag during qualifying. :)

November 26, 2007, 03:24 AM
Lewis Hamilton & Fernando Alonso rivalry reminds me of Alain Prost and Aryton Senna rivalry. Try search that up. They are so similar.

December 01, 2007, 04:55 AM
Yeah I agree with you Leen but I think Alonso is just jealous of Hamilton's success at McClaren...... At that time, Alonso was the world champion and suddenly came this rookie who I'm sure he thought was not a threat to him and completely stole his thunder.... so I guess Alonso's ego as the world champion just won't allow it... :XD and it's kinda ironic that not even one of them became world champion but it was kimi who won the championship.. :XD

Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
December 02, 2007, 01:18 AM
Have anyone read the news about Michael Schumacher becoming a test-driver for Ferrari? Talk about testing the car MAX!!! (sorry for the Eyeshield 21 reference :D). I can imagine Ferrari making all their drivers racing against Schummi before signing their contract. "You beat him, we'll sign you. You can't beat him, there's the door."

December 19, 2007, 07:17 PM
That will be fun, Ichi.

You know what, Vettel and Schumacher just won the ROC Nations Cup.


Seven-time Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher and team mate Sebastian Vettel beat 2006 victors, Team Finland, to clinch the Nations Cup for Germany at this year’s Race of Champions (ROC). Swedish competitor and former DTM champion Mattias Ekstrom, meanwhile, won the final solo event to be crowned the 2007 ‘Champion of Champions’.

The annual showdown, which sees national teams of world-renowned drivers compete in a variety of machinery, took place at Wembley stadium in London on Sunday. Other Formula One drivers in action included Renault’s Heikki Kovalainen, Honda’s Jenson Button and Red Bull’s David Coulthard.

Initially it looked as though Team Finland had the edge in the finals with Kovalainen taking victory in the opening race, after Schumacher stalled on the start line. Toro Rosso driver Vettel, however, brought the German pair back into contention after a spectacular victory against world rally champion Marcus Gronholm. The twenty year-old then went on to win the third - and final - round to clinch the cup.

“I didn’t expect that,” explained Vettel. “I had a strong team mate in the beginning when I needed help. After that it was quite good. I raced against Marcus in his own car; so almost like in his living room! I was already putting together all my excuses; I didn’t expect to win at all!”

Schumacher also made it to the finals of the concluding ‘Champion of Champions’ event after beating four-time Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais in the semi-finals. Despite winning one round against Ekstrom, the 38 year-old missed out on clinching the crown after spinning on the final corner of the concluding race. The German, however, is hoping to compete again next year.

“This is my first time racing after my retirement,” explained the former Ferrari driver. “In previous years if you race in F1 you have a lot of pressure. You are determined and focused and at this time of year, I just liked to switch off. Now it’s different so I’m open for fun events such as this. I hope I get an invitation next year!”

He is still good in car racing, as expected. :whoo

October 16, 2008, 06:40 PM

New Thread for the Formula 1.
Let's talk about the Championship, Drivers and Constructors.

Next Race: China - Sinopec

To See the Training/Race time on your area, click on Spoiler below:
Go to http://f1.com/
On the right bar and click on 'Convert To Race Local Time'

Drivers Standing
01 Lewis Hamilton 84
02 Felipe Massa 79
03 Robert Kubica 72
04 Kimi Räikkönen 63
05 Nick Heidfeld 56
06 Heikki Kovalainen 51
07 Fernando Alonso 48
08 Sebastian Vettel 30
09 Jarno Trulli 30
10 Mark Webber 21

Constructor Standing:
01 Ferrari 142
02 McLaren-Mercedes 135
03 BMW Sauber 128
04 Renault 66
05 Toyota 50
06 STR-Ferrari 34
07 Red Bull-Renault 29
08 Williams-Toyota 26
09 Honda 14
10 Force India-Ferrari 0


Post interesting Videos, Images, Statistics.
Don't Flame :darn

This first post will weekly edited, if you have any suggestion, doubt, etc, post it.
The Poll will be modified after Brazilian Grand Prix


Next Race: Brazil

October 16, 2008, 07:05 PM
I cheer for Massa, but Hamilton will most likely win. Ferrari has made some unforgivable mistakes this year and Massa is a unlucky guy. ( That GP he was in first and his car broke in the last 3 laps proved that to me )

October 17, 2008, 01:43 PM
I believe Massa will win, but the championship is most likely to be decided in te last race, and every single point must be important, just like last year.

October 18, 2008, 09:16 AM
Where the European members?
Didn't you like F1???

Grid for China's JP

October 20, 2008, 05:32 AM
The main contestors for the championship are always on the first positons except for Kubica...
I believe Alonso may surprehend us all in these final Grand Prixes... And I believe the other forum members are more interested in F-Indy and Nascar... But someone may come one of these days, it's just a matter of time.
Looks like Hamilton is close to being the champion this year, but Massa still holds a hope to get his place. I don't wish Lewis to crash or something like that, but he could get stuck in some sort of incident and mark no points in Brasil's GP... :p

October 21, 2008, 06:50 PM
Yea, he's very close, but Massa have his chances.
After Kubica's 'bad' race, he don't have any possibilities of win the champion

Nascar is REALLY boring, but, What can we do?


November 01, 2008, 04:35 AM
He only needs to finish fifth to win right? Oh god, its the same position as last year. I hope he can do it :( (Hamilton not massa -_-)

November 01, 2008, 12:22 PM
Hi, Imperium... I cheer for Massa, but Hamilton sure has a good advantage; the last races showed there's no way to tell who's going to win.
Qualifying results (http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2008/804/6585/) show that Massa got the upper hand, but every second of this race shall have a lot of emotions!!! Hope the drivers don't get too overwhelmed and leave the fair-play behind, like some of this years' races. It would be vey disappointing to have the championship decided by the disqualification of either Massa or Hamilton...

◆ T.D.A ◆
November 01, 2008, 01:26 PM
I don't like Hamilton's attitude, he's too cocky.

November 02, 2008, 01:56 PM
EPIC! Absolutely unbelievable! The last seconds!! I thought it was over, but the last seconds! In the final two corners!! Its been 12 years since a Brittish champion. Just...epic. :D

But a lot of respect to massa, who was amazing!

November 02, 2008, 02:16 PM
Ah, the germans. Vettel was about to turn into a brazilian national hero - then Glock screws it all up. ;_;

November 02, 2008, 05:56 PM
That was true, Agrias. Germans decided the championship between a Brazlian and a British.

Even though I think Hamilton is somewhat snobbish, I believe he deserved this title as much as Massa would. Last two years showed that F1 can really be a emotion-full sport, with champioships won in the last seconds... I believe it is a great thing!!!

It was a great race, as some of the other GPs were, and both Ferrari and McLaren made nice strategies. F1 2009 may be even better, let's watch!!!

Black Lagoon
July 31, 2009, 03:31 PM
poor Massa
I didn't wanted Hamilton to win, but he did it
WTF!!! Schumacher is back XD

◆ T.D.A ◆
August 02, 2009, 10:20 AM
Haha so the legend returns I wonder if he still has it.

August 02, 2009, 10:45 AM
To be honest I wouldn't put him in the legends list yet but the season has so many uncertainties hard to say he is back or not.

August 02, 2009, 02:05 PM
Schumacher has 99 wins in his career, if I'm not mistaken. It'd be awesome to see his 100th win after he retired :p

August 03, 2009, 02:43 AM
Massa will fly to his home in São Paulo from Honvéd Kórház (Honvéd Hospital), Budapest today. I'm glad he get well. :)

Aww, man... BMW Sauber withdrawal from F1. Poor Nick and Robert. :(

August 03, 2009, 08:36 AM
Will it definitely be something extraordinary if Shumi manages to win one more. And I am too glad to see Massa alright. I am not liking how business in F1 has been lately. The budget cap and all the fiasco have put some dents in F1.

Black Lagoon
August 03, 2009, 12:47 PM
Schumacher has 99 wins in his career, if I'm not mistaken. It'd be awesome to see his 100th win after he retired :p

Nah, 91 :p

Will it definitely be something extraordinary if Shumi manages to win one more. And I am too glad to see Massa alright. I am not liking how business in F1 has been lately. The budget cap and all the fiasco have put some dents in F1.

Since Mosley incident (sexual :p) and before that i think, F1 is getting down hill ...

August 06, 2009, 08:56 AM
I slave myself to death in scanlations if he actually wins one race this year haha. I still think his there only for the sport since it's going downhill lately.

September 13, 2009, 12:45 PM
Wow Today's race (Italian GP) was amazing. Hamilton crashing on the last moments and how the Brawn cars jumped Hamilton and Kimi on strategy, just pure win.

I am happy to see Barrichello winning the race. He must be the nicest guy around the grid.

Black Lagoon
September 30, 2009, 02:11 PM
Alonso to Ferrari XD

October 01, 2009, 09:00 AM
If Ferrari can make him a medium car it's already enough for him to be the champion. Of the drivers we've now, he's certainly the best

Black Lagoon
October 13, 2009, 03:48 PM
as you said ... he only need a medium car

October 13, 2009, 10:13 PM
Alonso is Ferrari, kind a like the move. If Ferrari gives him a decent car, it will be fun t0 watch him.

Yes I agree the F1 is going downhill for couple of seasons but still the budget cap is making things even gloomier.

November 04, 2009, 12:55 AM
No Michael No F1!

Its not the same sadly, this season was just awful!!! LOL Button thinks he won it and he thinks he deserves it! But any other season, he wouldnt been able to do sh*t!

November 04, 2009, 01:35 AM
IIRC, there is another thread for F1 here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41296), may be someone can merge them.

Yes it does feel, the season was not so glamorous like lest few seasons. Button deserving it or not, depend upon how you see it. His performance during the opening season got him the title. I too felt the later half of the season was kinda let down. I wanted to see him win the title by earning it, rather than winning it, because other teams like Ferrari and McLaren were struggling. More than Button's performance, I think the car wasn't able to compete as it did in the beginning of the season. The real performer for the season was, for me off course, is Vettel.

November 09, 2009, 01:03 PM
I'm quite excited to see Alonso at Ferrari!!! It should be a much better season compared to the one thats just finished!!

Black Lagoon
November 09, 2009, 06:57 PM
He only needs a car ... a good one :)

November 10, 2009, 12:35 AM
Seconded, the car this year really was under-power There was nothing more he can do with it. But, similar was the case with Ferrari and McLaren this year. They lack pace and consistency as well. I hope both teams will have much better to offer in Year 2010.

November 14, 2009, 12:47 PM
I wonder what Ferrari will develop and mold into next seasons F1 car to counter Brawn GP's 'special' rear diffuser! :drool lol

December 22, 2009, 07:02 PM

SCHUY IS BACK!!!! :shakefist

Black Lagoon
December 24, 2009, 04:18 PM
Yeah, the kaiser is Back ... but I'd like to see him in Ferrari ^^;

December 26, 2009, 02:50 PM
:whoo :D I'm defintely looking forward to the coming F1 season! :nuts

Black Lagoon
March 14, 2010, 09:33 AM
Michael 6th ... hmm ... well, it's not bad.

Anyway, this is Alonso with a good car. :amuse

March 14, 2010, 09:48 AM
Finally, someone revives this b*tch!

:noworry Alonso will do just fine this year. I'm happy with a 1-2 victory for Ferrari. :smugbunny

Black Lagoon
March 14, 2010, 10:15 AM
It's normal ... First Grand Prix

I want Michael to reach the 100 victories this year.

March 15, 2010, 12:27 PM
He will defintely improve over the course of the season, no doubt about it. :tem It would be incredible if he wins an eighth title! :faint

I don't like the new rules though. They suck. :darn

Black Lagoon
March 29, 2010, 01:25 PM
Yeah, the rules suck ... they broke the rules in Imola 1994 (Senna and Ratzenberberger 's death) but now ...-_-;

and by the way Red bull looks really good this year. :o

April 14, 2011, 06:57 AM
Two races so far in this season and both are won by Sebastian Vettel. As much as having a good start of the year matters, it does not necessarily means Sebastian Vettel will be the winner. F1 is really an unpredictable sports. Anyway, what are your thoughts, hopes, and expectation for this year?

December 31, 2011, 08:30 AM
This thread needs more loving.

2011 wasn't as exciting as 2010, obviously, because Vettel made it sure it was his win.

Anyway, Kimi Räikkönen will be back next season! I wonder how he'd fare with Alonso.

June 21, 2012, 10:52 AM
BIG NEWS!!!! :pmg


My interest in Formula One may have returned! Alonso and Vettel partnership would be quite something. Doubt they would "get along" behind the scenes though. :lmao

June 21, 2012, 11:04 PM
I would have loved to see Kimi back at Ferrari. Vettel already proved himself. About Alonso, I agree with you.

March 12, 2015, 07:12 PM
Bumping this up again, if anyone's interested or following F1 yet.... maybe create a new thread if people are interested?