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ghostexiled
June 18, 2011, 01:39 AM
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Drakk707
June 25, 2011, 05:52 AM
Chapter is out! (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/63946970/1)

RaveDragon
June 25, 2011, 06:14 AM
Ultear = ultimate villian ha sorry i was wrong
Ultear = Evilness megavillian of the century

LOL Juvia...enough said...she's adorable.

okay Gray using his own blood to make red ice i didn't expect it...he used his brains..YES! Gray you rock! even though i still think you'll lose...especially since Ultear can use ice magic too so and it seems on a higher level than Gray's.
Ultear can use quite awesome ice magic i wonder why she hates her mother i mean her mother loves her so was she kidnapped or something.

i was thinking she another one taken to the tower of paradise and then it was she who actually lost herself to Zeref because she came in contact with a part of him sealed somewhere and is following his plans for him to reawaken. And the great world of magic or single source of magic comes in again. next week is probably some more Ultear and her flashbacks (her win on gray) and some Hades action.

Darjaille
June 25, 2011, 06:16 AM
Um.. so... ice evaporates, that's what I thought. He added his blood, so she cannot use her magic on it. Ok. I guess it can be this way.
Next chapter I guess we get to see flashbacks of why she hates Ur so much (what happened to the little kid? She ran away?) Surely she couldn't be more than 10 or 12 at that time.
And she'll fight with molding magic from now on, so it will be about who is better in it. I predict Gray winning over her (the 'I cannot loose' stuff) and it's either her end or she flees.

Juvia :kissbunny Now I wonder what will happen to Meredy.

Sky
June 25, 2011, 06:17 AM
Juvia is just win... XD

The battle was great. Gray sure can come up with something.
Now I want to know even more about Ultear's Past.

LoS
June 25, 2011, 06:24 AM
Wow, those first 5 pages were completely worthless.

This chapter is such a sham. Urtear literally curbstomps Grey using just her own physical power, and then once Grey uses living blood ice she all of a sudden forgets how to fight and can no longer harm him even physically. So freaking stupid.

Ifrit
June 25, 2011, 06:28 AM
LOL Juvia hehehehe.....mmm..using ICE magic I didn't see that coming ......but still this is Gray chance to surpass UR power. he took a big hit, but I still don't think he will lose. I'm gonna love next chapter more than just a fight. It will be nice to understand UR & her daughter past.

Sky
June 25, 2011, 06:37 AM
Wow, those first 5 pages were completely worthless.

This chapter is such a sham. Urtear literally curbstomps Grey using just her own physical power, and then once Grey uses living blood ice she all of a sudden forgets how to fight and can no longer harm him even physically. So freaking stupid.

Haters just have to hate...

ErosVp
June 25, 2011, 06:38 AM
Gray will beat the hell out of Ultear! But before she dies she might redeem herself, I think... maybe...

I predict she was kidnapped or something, managed to escape, and then saw Ur with her two disciples and thought her mother forgot about her and replaced her with the two boys! Saddened, she came to hate her mother and her disciples...

Ifrit
June 25, 2011, 06:51 AM
Gray will beat the hell out of Ultear! But before she dies she might redeem herself, I think... maybe...

I predict she was kidnapped or something, managed to escape, and then saw Ur with her two disciples and thought her mother forgot about her and replaced her with the two boys! Saddened, she came to hate her mother and her disciples...

Exactly that flash back after Gray used his blood it looks like she was also in that tower..but like u said when she finally got back to find her self being replaced...kinda sucks...but I still don't get it ...did UR think her daughter died ? did she ever said that she died ?

maybe she had no idea that her mother knew she's still alive.

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Haters just have to hate...

Where ever you go. there is always a fan of ( one piece ) just can't stand the idea FT is way better than OP xDDD

LoS
June 25, 2011, 06:53 AM
Haters just have to hate...

Or people who actually pay attention to the chapter notice when someone dominates someone else hand to hand and then goes full retard...



Where ever you go. there is always a fan of ( one piece ) just can't stand the idea FT is way better than OP xDDD

The ratings don't lie, there is a reason OP is far and away higher. And I'll stop there cuz Ghost doesn't like this crap on his board, but just remember your childish response started it.

Ifrit
June 25, 2011, 06:55 AM
Or people who actually pay attention to the chapter notice when someone dominates someone else hand to hand and then goes full retard...




The ratings don't lie, there is a reason OP is far and away higher. And I'll stop there cuz Ghost doesn't like this crap on his board, but just remember your childish response started it.

too early to say some1 is dominating in this fight LOL....Ultear also took a big hit from Gray n then she returned with another big hit .

LoS
June 25, 2011, 07:01 AM
Gray will beat the hell out of Ultear! But before she dies she might redeem herself, I think... maybe...

The problem with Urtear redeeming herself(which you are most likely correct) is that FT already doesn't have a true villain. If she becomes good it continues a trend and we are left with yet again zero true bad guys.

bittman
June 25, 2011, 07:05 AM
LoS, I thought you were one of those Fairy Tail supporters who just enjoyed it for what it was? At the end of the day, Fairy Tail is not as good as One Piece, has plenty of plot holes, repeats themes, wouldn't know a real villain if it hit it in the face and uses plot armour and boobies in equally large amounts.

But it's still a fun light read right? I used to get a bit worked up, but when you start enjoying it for what it is, it's a good solid manga worth reading.

Can we at least agree it's better than Bleach? Hahahahahahahaha, that's a given. D. Grayman on hiatus is better than Bleach.

LoS
June 25, 2011, 07:09 AM
too early to say some1 is dominating in this fight LOL....Ultear also took a big hit from Gray n then she returned with another big hit .

She negated all his magic, and then slammed him to the ground with ease, avoided all of his wild swings.... what more could you ask from her?

Ero-Sanji
June 25, 2011, 07:12 AM
At the end of the day, it's like what Bittman says, this is how it's done and we just have to deal with it.

Those small blood ice daggers, shouldn't have overwhelmed Ultear seeing her melee capabilities but she was in shock, reacting as a typical vaillain would do when her/his powers are negated, however, experienced as she is she should have been able to evade Gray's special attack. Then we have Ultear's Ice make which seem to deviate from both Leon's and Gray's, hopefully she can win and keep going.

Ifrit
June 25, 2011, 07:14 AM
She negated all his magic, and then slammed him to the ground with ease, avoided all of his wild swings.... what more could you ask from her?

It doesn't matter it's Fairy Tail...he will probably remember when UR made him a cheese cake or something n just start freezing everything LOL Gray Took a shit load of ice magics from Lyon yet he ....u know.

Lozmaster
June 25, 2011, 07:15 AM
Or people who actually pay attention to the chapter notice when someone dominates someone else hand to hand and then goes full retard...

Dear god, she blocked one single attack in hand to hand, so thats dominating? When that obviously didn't work, grey tries something else, but shes a retard because her plan to block the attack (i.e. melting it by fast forwarding it) didn't work, because grey analyzed her magic and came up with a plan?

I can't help but feel bad for you, must be bad to spend a week waiting for a manga just so you can moan mindlessly about it. Unless you like QQing, I guess.

LoS
June 25, 2011, 07:20 AM
LoS, I thought you were one of those Fairy Tail supporters who just enjoyed it for what it was?

But it's still a fun light read right?

I take it for what it is, I understand the intended audience for this story. However, when you have a character such as Urtear who multiple times now has made a scene of saying, dont underestimate the eldest of the 7 kin and then proceeds to be made a mockery of, it is just kind of foolish. It's funny in itself that she would be flaunting such a title, since she is the eldest of the same group who have had their asses kicked up and down the island.



seeing her melee capabilities but she was in shock, reacting as a typical vaillain would do when her/his powers are negated, however, experienced as she is she should have been able to evade Gray's special attack.

This is EXACTLY what I am saying. Mashima is sending us so many mixed messages it is disturbing. I fear he really doesn't know how he wants to tell this part of the story. He obviously can't write Urtear well, character flaws abound with that one. He needs to make up his mind and stick with it.



Dear god, she blocked one single attack in hand to hand, so thats dominating? When that obviously didn't work, grey tries something else, but shes a retard because her plan to block the attack (i.e. melting it by fast forwarding it) didn't work, because grey analyzed her magic and came up with a plan?

Read it again smart alec. She physically puts him in his place, avoids his attacks. She is an experienced fighter and has shown analytical skills, but of course when in this situation she has a massive brain fart and completely gaffs what she should do. Mashima literally just showed her reading people and then when someone cuts them self she goes zombie mode from shock and doesn't have a single thought in her head other than to stick an arm out to block it? Where is the battle hardened senior member, where is the calm/collected fighter? It's plain and simple a cop out.

Sky
June 25, 2011, 07:23 AM
Can we at least agree it's better than Bleach? Hahahahahahahaha, that's a given. D. Grayman on hiatus is better than Bleach.

Sorry but that is bullshit... D.grayman is nowhere that great it was at the beginning. It's gone downhill. You can't compare Bleach to Fairy Tail.

But enough off topic.

Fairy Tail is what it is because of the fanservice and the fun. I wouldn't read it otherwise. I like the nakame are your power theme. Gray will win because of his love for Ur.

Ero-Sanji
June 25, 2011, 07:28 AM
This is EXACTLY what I am saying. Mashima is sending us so many mixed messages it is disturbing. I fear he really doesn't know how he wants to tell this part of the story. He obviously can't write Urtear well, character flaws abound with that one. He needs to make up his mind and stick with it.

I get what you're trying to say, Azuma got cheated on but it's Erza and his defeat was necessary for the others to gain their powers back. But, what happened to Bluenote, this myth-like man that solely changed the outcome of a war? He easily got defeated by Gildartz, which is fine by me, but the way that it was done really destroyed that character and he literary disappeared into thin air.

Now, we have Ultear, my favourite villain; smart, collected, manipulativ and strong as hell. Now as for me the problem isn't that she's unable to avoid certain attacks she previously and obiously would have( I mean the blood ice is no different from Natsu's fire fists, and she had no problem avoiding them), instead what irritates me is that Mashima points at one thing but does the other and I'm afraid Ultear might share the same fate Bluenote did. That is a reputation and self indication of being far stronger than they really are.

Ninja_Pirate
June 25, 2011, 07:48 AM
First Mashima made ultear a character with a magic which is like super awesome... since there will be no living magic every magic can be fast forwarded or rewind it to destroy... in previous chapter discussion also i said that ice can be turned into water .... but how the hell mixing of blood (75%water) will not evaporate if fast forwarded...

Mashima gave ultear a power which he cudnt handle story wise.... and came up with a flaw in her magic which is itself flawed ,,, anyways its a fun read.. that's all to it

RaveDragon
June 25, 2011, 07:52 AM
Guys stop comparing Ghost will get angry and i would if i were him.

People like this chapter and people didn't, its true Ur negated his attack at first but then Gray used his brain and got a hit in because he has to give it his all as Ul is not a pushover and he knows it this surprised her and caused her to change tactic thus using ice magic, which isnt a surprise considering who her mum was shocking Gray and getting in a hit.

All in all an exciting chapter, its true though i dont understand the blood thing but i guess it can be taken as part of a living thing. still got to admit the Gray/Ur "i will seal your darkness" was epic.

As i said i believe the tower of paradise will come back in now she probably was kidnapped by them but managed to escape (something had already influenced her badly like i said soemthing zeref had made) she still had not fallen but when she saw her mum had replaced her (it is stated in the manga Ur thought Ul had died) she got angry and was fully influenced by Zeref and turned bad.

Now im not sure who will leave with Zeref if Ul or Hades but i guess Hades has more possibilities as he's too strong even Ul is afraid of his power not wanting to be spotted by his eye. So if Hades loses i will be disappointed, if Ul losses not so much but i like the idea of her and Zeref working together, she's been evil using zeref name from the start so she fits as an antagonist with him.

Hamy
June 25, 2011, 08:16 AM
My problem with Gray's solution is its basically a blatant contradiction since it pretty much defies logic of what a living thing is especially when you know far better that ice+blood = very dead cells (its common sense that ice crystals that form stab and mince cells so simply put anything blood frozen the way Gray does would mean the cells are dead thus fair game for Arc of time). Some people can go for this suspension of belief others like me simply don't find it easy to swallow. Though I guess we have to give the author some slack after all lets not forget this page which again is a blatant contradiction that is important in the fight with Gray and Ultear:

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/225/9

I guess Mashima logic just tends to defy common sense since I never thought PLANTS are considered non-living things XD, well he considers frozen blood to be living so one way or another we'll have to accept the convenience of his logic. Doesn't mean though that we have to consider it good writing or he clearly has a knowledge gap when it comes to biology - you decide.

I'd expect a bigger drawback from Gray considering how much blood he would have lost - I mean I really won't expect Gray to win this if his only solution is to form ice magic mixed with blood it has to be a a draw since he's clearly injuring himself as he hurts Ultear so my bet should be a draw (technically Ultear has already lost having to resort to a magic she clearly would despise). However, given all the talk about the so called drawback of using the forbidden magics I certainly haven't seen any recoil from the seven kin - except Azuma - so it doesn't seem like recoil damage has ever been an issue...

Though Ultear still has the upper hand forcing Gray to use close range(?) Ice magic that causes recoil damage for him to use as she can defend herself with Arc of time against normal ice, assuming she has the brains to, while attacking with ice magic on par with his mentor. She has both offense and defense down but hey she's already lost in my book just by using her moms magic - and would be just as bad a victory to win with it.

Ninja_Pirate
June 25, 2011, 09:00 AM
I am ok with the story line... i am happy that it is not a one sided match up between ultear and grey... but i think i shud restrict myself to try predicting the next chapter because everytime we predict some logical sequence... ?(though it did turn out right in case of erza for me :p) ...and Mashima in desperation to try surprise us throws an illogical thing.. because yes we can't predict that .. lol ...

@Hamy ... the blood cells are dead.. but if a human body is dead doesn't mean she can speed up the process of decomposition for that... and when said living things i guess she totally meant "animal cells" i.e. which has flesh... if we categories things which Mashima must have not given very much thought in.. we can live with it.. and enjoy the manga... but the chapters are not leaving any room for discussion ...

1337 haxor
June 25, 2011, 09:02 AM
Ok seriously now people, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBER SHE FOUGHT FREAKIN ZEREF?

Ultear is not in her prime condition, we have no idea how much magic she used up to defeat Zeref and she came out visibly tired of that battle.

Do you think that she was manipulating Gray just for the lulz? She is smarter than that, she wanted to avoid a risky battle in her weakened state but Gray suddenly grew a brain (was that plotkai? XD) and she was placed on against the wall.

Don't get it wrong this fight is not for the sake of showing Gray's or Ultear's powers, it is a fight to reveal some unfinished ends in the story.

We are getting to know Ultear's past and her reason to fight and what counts on the battle is simply the coreography and sheer style of it. So if she loses fine by me.

Also I don't agree with people complaining about Bluenote and Rustyrose.

Plotwise they were just a couple hax empty individuals whose sole purpose was keeping the tension up while giving Gildartz and Fried & Bixlow something to beat.

The problem with this arc is not simply FT winning what one could consider extremely outclassed fights, the problem is that Mashima made a lot cliched time consuming villains for the sake of showing of popular characters.

Zancrow, Rustyrose, Cain and Bluenote were just there to kill time and drag on the arc.

The only ones that had any sort of emotional contribution were Meredy, Asuma, Caprico and now Ultear.

So far they didn't dissapoint, Asuma won two fights in a row before facing the red haired female Hitsugaya.

Meredy had to be befriended since she was crazy enough to go for a kamikaze triple kill.

Caprico was meh but Lucy needed another spirit.

Now Ultear is on the table and we will finally get some well deserved answers.

Also before I forget I still think that Hades will pop in and take down both Gray and Ultear.

Kauia
June 25, 2011, 09:49 AM
Please go easy on me. Everyone here seems so tense.

I don't care what people think. I say this chapter rocks. (Hi everyone! Newbie here!) Juvia was so hilarious in this chapter. With that heart in her eyes and all. Juvia is so adorable in this chapter. I love the look in Meredy's face as you see her trying to get away from a crawling Juvia chaser. That really did distract Gray. A lot. :D

I can't wait to see whats going to happen next. Gray might win. The next chapter might be about the another glimpse of the tower in heaven. I wonder if Ur used to be from a dark guild then decided to be good and quit and go solo trying to undo her mistakes. Maybe her husband may have something had to do with why Ultear is the way she is. Ur could have not be able to do anything for her daughter at that time. Just guessing. I all had thought that Gray might lose this fight where Hades may interfere like someone said before. Maybe its a draw. But after reading the chapter, I'm guessing that Gray might win. He's so awesome in this chapter. That blood thing rocks! So worth the wait. This chapter tells me Something happened that made Ultear the wonderful ideal twisted villain that she is today. Oh what fun~ Please tell me your thoughts on the next chapter.

I wonder when will Hades go down and fight. I wanna see the revelation about Natsu, Lucy and Zeref. Sinse Natsu's a strong fighter, he'll definitely be in the attacking force along with Lucy and Happy. and maybe Bixlow or Fried. Whoever's left will be in the defense team like Lisanna, Levy, Wendy, Charle and Lily.

kakashidad
June 25, 2011, 10:10 AM
I thought this was not a bad issue...but my expectation is not like some.I'm not looking for ''booker prize'' material.
The amount of times i've seen the same gripe about how the villan of the piece has been cheated by the author
because of this or that is amazing..not really.

Could it not be that peeps are been abit too guilible in believing there ''idol'' boast to begin with?Ultear was overconfident to begin with...there a certain fatal error in most manga/s.When you start shouting
the odds...no?

Bluenote was built up and then Master hades made note to say.That he congratulated Makarov for having someone like Gildartz within his guild...not just that.But the hint of his admiration came when he said he did not think he'd of lost half his gh warrior before Bluenote entered the fray.

Anyway i loved the interaction between gray and his lady juvia..that was priceless.Her scammering after meredy with big luv hearts in her eyes was hysterical.The blood ice move gray pulled off.Should be seen
as him thinking ahead and finding a WEAKNESS in Ultear magic...By him recalling his teacher teaching...whats so hard about that to understand?What we saw him do was make ultear revert to her mother TEACHING.That should be applauded imo not scoff at.

It is afterall just fantasy...i mean the blood in his body has been turned to ice?surely he'd be dead in reality lol.
Or is that me been thick...lmao.I hope it continue in the same vein tbh.The enemy vanguished so new ones
appear.It'd just be like a marvel or dc theme otherwise.Where you have the same bad guys popping in for a
showdown and that and been sent to whatever high sercurity facility and escaping..that shit's boring.

Magnus
June 25, 2011, 10:15 AM
While the blood thing is a bit weird and its logic can be questioned, at least we had a new trick and I doubt that Gray defeating Ultear with raw strength alone would please people. That's the problem an author must face when he gives a character tremendous abilities : how to overcome them.
Anyway this chapter was a fun read as usual and I'm eager to discover what happens after this fight.

Hamy
June 25, 2011, 10:26 AM
I thought this was not a bad issue...but my expectation is not like some.I'm not looking for ''booker prize'' material.

No one is asking for "booker prize" material here - and I doubt anyone would be looking at this place either. What some people are asking for is a level of either consistency or logic or at least a more plausible build up, since time again the build ups so far of this arc (actually I would say this style started more around the Oracion Seis arc) have always tended to end up flat (either Bluenote or Fairy glitter) to be replaced by a more sudden intrusion (sudden ultimate technique).


Ok seriously now people, AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBER SHE FOUGHT FREAKIN ZEREF?

Ultear is not in her prime condition, we have no idea how much magic she used up to defeat Zeref and she came out visibly tired of that battle.


Yeah case in point of some level of logic or consistency issues that really stick out with this arc, all hail Natsu who hasn't exactly managed to eat flames that rejuvenated him (don't think Zancrow's flames were particularly beneficial as much as harmful). Lets not forget Azuma who also still managed to put up quite a fight despite facing Mirajane. In case you haven't noticed fatigue doesn't exactly set in this manga until convenient to "build" up tension, e.g. Lucy facing the fat voodoo guy from the Kin, never really saw it YET as a reason for defeat though - Ultear could be the first for this~.

There is just frustration that it seems the author is really coming undone at the seams to arrive at some pretty quick fix solutions. Which is a shame as he did manage to avoid those earlier but with current arcs its really starting to become rather obvious.

No one is saying you can't enjoy this chapter just also realize that there would be some who are unhappy because some aren't exactly able to suspend disbelief as easily due to how things were handled - I'm pretty sure even those complaining are aware that this is a shounen manga and who are its target audiences so definitely anyone reading this has cut it slack but its just that it feels things of late are taking an easy way out.

Edit: Heck I'm even starting to see Ultear's battle with Zeref being another easy way exit since everybody is using that as a defense for Ultear to lose. Lets put it this way while we've seen a fragment of how dangerous his aura is we never actually saw the details of his battle with Ultear so as to gauge for ourselves the comparison of an unawakened Zeref vs a serious Fairy tale mage against Ultear. Can't you give Gray or any of the other FT mages the benefit of the doubt in being able to put up an even better fight than a rusty mage who doesn't want to use his powers? Sides it didn't seem like the area Zeref and Ultear fought at was that badly devastated to indicate that incredibly destructive techniques were employed in the fight, or the fact that nobody in particular sensed the magic to comment on how fierce it must've been.

RaveDragon
June 25, 2011, 10:31 AM
Please go easy on me. Everyone here seems so tense.

I don't care what people think. I say this chapter rocks. (Hi everyone! Newbie here!) Juvia was so hilarious in this chapter. With that heart in her eyes and all. Juvia is so adorable in this chapter. I love the look in Meredy's face as you see her trying to get away from a crawling Juvia chaser. That really did distract Gray. A lot. :D
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Welcome and dont worry most of us bark but dont bite =] and i agree flawed maybe but still an exciting chapter ^^

guys i think with the blood thing was using the theory of a frozen body in suspended animation like all those stories of cavemen being frozen and remaining alive in ice surviving millions of years its pure fiction that defies logic and the blood cells in Grays ice happened to do the same thus still classifying them as living. Probably that was what Mashima was thinking anyway the editor took it in so a bad chapter is not only the authors fault but the one who accepts it too after all they do a draft before drawing it...but this wasnt a bad chap i liked it ^^

ultear defeated frickin Zeref...Gray is strong and i know he can win but for plot purposes i think he wont or the fight will be interrupted. but if he wins good cuz Gray needs some spotlight.

Next chappy i have no other predictions for it let me think
The power that becomes life; it all makes me think of Zeref power but his is death magic maybe he has a flashback of a person who had his opposite magic whom he used to be friends with or he actually so maybe Hades catches Meredy and we get some info on him while the attack team (natsu and lucy def in it) also finds them so we get the climax of the arc...

it could also defend my theory of Ul being a slave in the tower of heaven and we get her flashback on her childhood.

excitement i cant wait to see this as much as i want to see natsu lucy and zeref interact iv been waiting for Ul's story ><
PS Ul = ultear i call her mum Ur

BIG EDIT; nevermind Arc of time cannot manipulate anything human it can manipulate everything else objects and other living things such as trees ><

Arc Of Time is a Lost Magic used by the Grimoire Heart Guild member, Ultear. Ultear's branch of specialty is to manipulate the "time" of an object or a living thing but not a human. She can fast forward an object's "time" into the future, making it decay rapidly or rush to attack her opponent. She can even stop an object's "time" by freezing it in midair. She can also rewind a damaged object's "time" to restore it to its original state. She can produce 'bubbles' of time that show the various potential things that the item could do and then pick one of the timelines whenever she wants to. Ultear learnt this magic that was said to defeat molding magic mages to kill her mother, Ur.

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Arc_of_Time
this is from the wiki ^^

1337 haxor
June 25, 2011, 11:05 AM
No one is asking for "booker prize" material here - and I doubt anyone would be looking at this place either. What some people are asking for is a level of either consistency or logic or at least a more plausible build up, since time again the build ups so far of this arc (actually I would say this style started more around the Oracion Seis arc) have always tended to end up flat (either Bluenote or Fairy glitter) to be replaced by a more sudden intrusion (sudden ultimate technique).



Yeah case in point of some level of logic or consistency issues that really stick out with this arc, all hail Natsu who hasn't exactly managed to eat flames that rejuvenated him (don't think Zancrow's flames were particularly beneficial as much as harmful). Lets not forget Azuma who also still managed to put up quite a fight despite facing Mirajane. In case you haven't noticed fatigue doesn't exactly set in this manga until convenient to "build" up tension, e.g. Lucy facing the fat voodoo guy from the Kin, never really saw it YET as a reason for defeat though - Ultear could be the first for this~.

There is just frustration that it seems the author is really coming undone at the seams to arrive at some pretty quick fix solutions. Which is a shame as he did manage to avoid those earlier but with current arcs its really starting to become rather obvious.

No one is saying you can't enjoy this chapter just also realize that there would be some who are unhappy because some aren't exactly able to suspend disbelief as easily due to how things were handled - I'm pretty sure even those complaining are aware that this is a shounen manga and who are its target audiences so definitely anyone reading this has cut it slack but its just that it feels things of late are taking an easy way out.

Edit: Heck I'm even starting to see Ultear's battle with Zeref being another easy way exit since everybody is using that as a defense for Ultear to lose. Lets put it this way while we've seen a fragment of how dangerous his aura is we never actually saw the details of his battle with Ultear so as to gauge for ourselves the comparison of an unawakened Zeref vs a serious Fairy tale mage against Ultear. Can't you give Gray or any of the other FT mages the benefit of the doubt in being able to put up an even better fight than a rusty mage who doesn't want to use his powers? Sides it didn't seem like the area Zeref and Ultear fought at was that badly devastated to indicate that incredibly destructive techniques were employed in the fight, or the fact that nobody in particular sensed the magic to comment on how fierce it must've been.

I know and everybody knows that there are inconsistenses but they are not so big if we take a deep look at it.

First of all Asuma didn't have a full battle against Mirajane, she sacrificed herself to save her sister and she was also pretty wasted from the battle against her brother. The first battle also doesn't count because it was to much of a breeze for him.

Erza was rested, her fight with Juvia and Lisanna didn't tax her out much and she got a freakin huge friendshi power up.

Second of all, are you really bringing Natsu and Lucy to the fray?

They are the protagonists of the story not to mention they got Inoe Wendy besides them for most of the arc.

Third of all there were cases in which exhaution played a role in this arc, Mirajane as I mentioned before was the prime example but neither Elfman or Gajeel went on to fight after getting beaten up.

There is some sense on what happened around people getting back on their feet.

Besides that Juvia is the love freak of the show and the word Gray can bring her back to life countless times.

Keino
June 25, 2011, 12:02 PM
First off, I will say if you read Fairy Tail without any thought it is a very enjoyable manga. When you start thinking deeply about the characters, plot and common sense/plausibility your enjoyment will decrease drastically. So in essence If you that is what you are looking for don't read Fair Tail because you will be constantly trolled. When I began I took it far too seriously and got angry at every other chapter but now reading it with the right prospective I am enjoying it as much as when I started reading. Don't know if that will help any of you but relax and keep you expectations low because anger is not healthy right. :p


Anyway onto this chapter, when I saw this fight was about to begin I thought that Ultear would win cuz she has the upper hand over Grey in all aspects except nakama power of course lol. After this I still think she has the upper hand even if it is ice make v ice make. Not sure how long Grey can last with a damaged arm because if she manages to destroy that arm, he will have to inflict more damage on himself in order to continue fighting, i.e another arm/body part.

Maybe I'm just lazy but I have zero theories about Ultear's past. I think Ravedragon might be on the money but I'll just wait and see cuz Mashima might just cook up the totally unexpected.

btw not sure how Juvia is gonna stop Meldy but seeing as she is running on the power of love anything is possible. :hearts :lmao

matzik1212
June 25, 2011, 12:20 PM
LOL juvia was very funny this chapter , actually i'm starting to like her more and more ,she proved to be a true FT mage this arc :) ....gray's new attack was awesome but i liked ultear's attack much more ...what can i say she has the sense of art :D it's a pity though , that beautiful attack doesn't suit her evil self at all ^_^

Ninja_Pirate
June 25, 2011, 12:34 PM
I am pretty much getting the hang of how Mashima think things through :p......... just had thought for a crazy power up for grey.. he can freeze the blood flowing in his opponents body as well... sounds dark magic to me :) ,... will be considered among the strongest magics of the guild then .. cheers for grey and fingers crossed

Zeltrax
June 25, 2011, 12:56 PM
I like Gray and I like his fights even more.
Out of all the fights in the island so far I thought that gray's one was clever.
The red blood was smart thinking despite the logic contraction stated.
Compared that to erza and natsu fight(and the lucy's one..but I rather not go into that).
Gray's one is smarter and not just some wtfplotdevice.

White Silver King
June 25, 2011, 01:28 PM
While Ultear is one of my favorite characters and I would be loathe to see her lose, I actually would have liked the way she would have been defeated with Gray's Blood Ice Make (I have learned to accept the fact that in manga, blood is alive). It actually made sense and wasn't an asspull, it was just a well-thought out attack but not so innovative that it was out of character. I must say nicely done Mashima, nicely done. But now that Ultear is pulling out the hardcore magics (GO ULTEAR GO!), and we know Gray won't lose to her, I fear Mashima is gonna pull some kind of bullshit move that lets Gray win.

Edit: An absolutely horrific thought just crossed my mind. Ultear is using Ice now and now Gray has no real way of attacking her. What is Natsu steps in to fight Ultear? :bored That would be AWFUL (unless she defeated him, which would be the highlight of the manga, but we all know there isn't the smallest, dust sized mote of a snowball's chance in hell of that happening) !

shuha27
June 25, 2011, 01:55 PM
LOL I really enjoyed reading the discussion for this chapter. It was pretty interesting.

I have to say FT is a really good manga, IMO. It might have a lot of plot holes and other things but as others said if you don't put any thought to it, it can be really enjoyable. It's a really fun manga to read and I would choose it over many other mangas.

This chapter was pretty interesting. I really hope Ultear does lose. I rather have Hades as the recurring villain rather than Ultear. Hopefully Hades just doesn't get beaten. Next chapter I guess might be a flashback of Ultear. I really wonder why she hates her mom so much o.O

Uriel
June 25, 2011, 02:17 PM
I thought Urtear would be the hidden boss, I don't enjoy her being beaten now or the enxt chapter. Oh well, let' see how this goes.

Cool chapter, although I watching only Urtear versus Gray made me realize I like more Urtear than Gray xD

Kuzumikun
June 25, 2011, 02:17 PM
When i saw grey come up with that blood dagger ice thingy i though HE's ganna win until she pulled an ice maker flower thingy >.< i have no clue who is going to win now -sigh- anyways i love Juvia shes hilarious XD acting like the exorcist haha
can't wait to see Natsu and co. and how things work out for them

matzik1212
June 25, 2011, 02:19 PM
yeah in the end she will realize all her doings were wrong and everything will end well..... * sigh..* well i hope this doesn't come true , i mean i'm so sick to see things like this :darn she is evil then she should just stay that way and die that way 'cause she's a biatch and plus she's really messed up in her head ....yeah i'm saying this 'cause i don't like her :p

eefrit
June 25, 2011, 03:53 PM
This chapter has made me realize something. I really enjoy the fights of this arc. However, the conclusion of those fights make me hate the whole fight that was shown. Fairy Tail is a cool manga and I do like it, but as some people said it has repeated themes and contradictions. Some of you say that if you ignore those flaws, it is enjoyable. While I do agree, it is getting exceedingly harder for me to ignore and it often frustrates me. This arc is honestly my least favorite and most frustrating in Fairy Tail.

That being said, I enjoyed this chapter, however I fear that the conclusion of this fight will disappoint as the others have. I can accept Gray finding and exploiting a fairly obvious weakness in Urtear's power, despite the broken logic. Meredy being chased by a crawling Juvia was pretty funny. Urtear resorting to her mother's technique however was the highlight for me. Notice how detailed the Ice Make was compared to both Leon's and Gray's? She obviously is the true successor to her mother's technique. Also I'm surprised no one has mentioned the flashback. What in the world did tiny Urtear see that made her turn into a dark mage?

sarutobi_sensei
June 25, 2011, 05:02 PM
I LOVED Juvia's reaction to Gray, and also Meldy's reaction to Juvia's reaction. So awesome!

Gray's battle with Urtear is being good so far. They're going to fight it all.

I wonder why does Urtear hate her mother so much. And where did she learn to do Ice Make. Is that a form of living ice make, like Lyon's?

And the fact that the stance looks like Urtear is also a pointer.

Can't wait for the next chapter.

liductan
June 25, 2011, 06:00 PM
I have to say that this arc had the most potential with the plot, setting, and everything else. At the begining like most people i was excited until the conclusions of most ruin the story for me. I wanted to see how fairy tail would pull themselves out of the mess they were in but apparently the same old thing happen again. Then again i should have expected this from most story nowadays.Even with some stupid fights I still like this arc better than the one before. The last felt like I was reading a filler than the actual story. Oh well, I guess what most people wanted was a darker theme or in my case a tragic event. Overall, I still love this arc.

Anyway this chapter was interesting and different to me. It was fun reading this chapter, that's one reason why I love reading this manga rather than fighting and gore all the time.

Hamy
June 25, 2011, 08:05 PM
I know and everybody knows that there are inconsistenses but they are not so big if we take a deep look at it.

First of all Asuma didn't have a full battle against Mirajane, she sacrificed herself to save her sister and she was also pretty wasted from the battle against her brother. The first battle also doesn't count because it was to much of a breeze for him.

Erza was rested, her fight with Juvia and Lisanna didn't tax her out much and she got a freakin huge friendshi power up.

Second of all, are you really bringing Natsu and Lucy to the fray?

They are the protagonists of the story not to mention they got Inoe Wendy besides them for most of the arc.

Third of all there were cases in which exhaution played a role in this arc, Mirajane as I mentioned before was the prime example but neither Elfman or Gajeel went on to fight after getting beaten up.

There is some sense on what happened around people getting back on their feet.

Besides that Juvia is the love freak of the show and the word Gray can bring her back to life countless times.

1) I agree she isn't at her prime but not so much because of her battle with Elfman but more of the fact that she isn't at her prime since she's only recently returned as a mage (yay for one consistency) and she even states so herself.

2) Erza doesn't count we all know that - hence I never bothered mentioning her. She won by an easy way out which is what I am afraid of with the Ultear fight now too - as we've had with the Capricorn, and voodoo guy battle (but hey that battle was a joke anyways so I could live with it).

3) Natsu and Lucy on the other hand are the protagonists but hey it IS lazy to simply pin down their lack of exhaustion and seeming infinite amount of magic energy to being protagonists. Especially when they end up having to engage in more fights than the rest. Also my point here relates to the next one you brought up with Elfman and Gajeel. Which is that I am not talking about their physical condition (lets call that HP) but am referring to their magical energy (MP) which while interconnected certainly can be separated, as we saw in the previous arcs. My complaint is the seeming infinite amount of MP they have - Elfman and Gajeel obviously can't fight not because they ran out of MP but their HP is pretty low already from the injuries they've received. What I'm saying with Ultear earlier is it'd be a shame if she were the first to lose due to running out of MP midfight - she certainly has had a rest IMO with her HP given that Natsu wasn't able to hurt her and she had a nice long talk with Gray prior to her fight. Though she has been taking some big hits mainly due to really dumb moves on her part - e.g. her wasting time trash talking only to get punched.

Juvia wasn't mentioned either again for obvious reasons - heck if she had more brains she could just turn to a water form entirely to chase Meredy rather than crawling but that wouldn't be as funny. Prudence in choosing examples are pretty important just because you can use something as an example doesn't make it a very good one - i.e. Erza and Juvia - even more so when you consider their presentation to the context at the moment - e.g. Elfman & Gajeel, Erza & Juvia in comparison to Ultear.

Anycase this ends my rant with this chapter its not that I didn't enjoy it but it also certainly peaked my annoyance already with regard to the quick fix solutions that Mashima kept coming up with to end the fights killing the build up with such sudden intrusions - and of course realization that his logic is pretty screwed up (I mean PLANTS don't count as living things LOL).

Also just to discuss the chapter other than my annoyance surprised nobody ever noticed the significance of the words "Let me seal your darkness". Given what we found out with Meredy's own flashback with the kin:
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/230/10
Looks like the Kin may have some relation to Zeref's key - which has brought them misfortune - or heck they could be the key (Ultear seems pretty confident in unsealing Zeref) or who knows but eitherway it seems to be a trauma that Ultear shares with Meredy that affected her. I could see her hating her mother for using those same words without any visible results.

ShoobyDooBop
June 25, 2011, 11:20 PM
Awesome chapter. Juvia was hilarious, Gray was awesome, and Ultear was creepy as usual. Finally we get to see someone who specializes in multiple magics. I can't remember if we've seen someone else who could before, but I never understood what prevented people from doing it before. Sure it would be really difficult, but if it were me, I'd learn a ton of different basic magics.

Nonlife
June 25, 2011, 11:53 PM
Geez, talk about issues! (Reminds me of a certain female antagonist from an "animated Nickelodeon Emmy-award winning series that spawned a horrible live-action adaption movie & an upcoming sequel.) Now I may not remember it clearly; but I thought Lyon mentioned the reason Ur took in apprentices was to fill in the grief she felt over the loss of her daughter....or didn't Ur mention her child died right before she sealed in Deliora? All I know is Ultear did end up on the island where the slaves built the Tower of Heaven (Hehehe...foggy memory.) & where she manipulated Gerard as a part of Hades' plan.

exacta
June 26, 2011, 01:14 AM
Chapter was decent enough, not sure how I feel about Urtear using Icemake, even though it makes sense she would know it, I would rather she just use Arc of Time. At least we'll get to see Ur's techniques. But the attack Urtear used, it looks cool, but I don't understand how it actually harms Gray. I've noticed this in the anime, they'll have attacks where they just flash forward to a panel showing the character getting hurt, without showing the whole attack.

Fight was cool, but it seems like Urtear loses her composure very easily(all of the sudden getting owned by Gray when she made him look like a child a few moments before simply because she was surprised that she couldn't evaporate the ice), though she does seem to have a few screws loose so I guess thats just to be expected.

I know Urtear fought Zeref before, but I really don't want another protagonist victory at this point, especially if it means the end of Urtear when she has so much potential as a major antagonist.

And for the record, I don't really care much for how well a manga does in Japan aside from the fact that if I like its popular enough so it isn't discontinued(like Psyren),and also if I'm looking for a new manga to read. Its a different country from mine so the tastes aren't exactly the same. The movie Dragon Wars is a great example(NEVER WATCH IT EVER). Theres a decent amount of manga I'd take over One Piece any day, not saying its a bad manga or anything.

Shiro Tsuki
June 26, 2011, 01:35 AM
Most of us are just trying to live with the inconsistencies and power-ups!
...
But hell i'd be seriously disappointed with FT if Ultear loses the fight!
Don't come up with some stupid reasons why she is tired - so she should lose - It makes no sense at all!
Natsu almost dies in every fight - and few minutes later - he is fighting some other strong badass! -_-
She is DEFINITIVELY more powerful than Gray - Having in your arsenal such a lost magic along with the ability to use ice magic...
But I am guessing - With the "I will seal your darkness" thingy - It means the mangaka will just wrap up the fight!
I know FT would have won this - But Ultear being defeated by Gray is a lil bit stupid!
Obviously they should have clashed (with the past they had n stuff...) -
But (with all due respect to the fanboys) Gray is not the kind of opponent for the 'strongest of the 7 kin'!

Ifrit
June 26, 2011, 02:18 AM
Most of us are just trying to live with the inconsistencies and power-ups!
...
But hell i'd be seriously disappointed with FT if Ultear loses the fight!
Don't come up with some stupid reasons why she is tired - so she should lose - It makes no sense at all!
Natsu almost dies in every fight - and few minutes later - he is fighting some other strong badass! -_-
She is DEFINITIVELY more powerful than Gray - Having in your arsenal such a lost magic along with the ability to use ice magic...
But I am guessing - With the "I will seal your darkness" thingy - It means the mangaka will just wrap up the fight!
I know FT would have won this - But Ultear being defeated by Gray is a lil bit stupid!
Obviously they should have clashed (with the past they had n stuff...) -
But (with all due respect to the fanboys) Gray is not the kind of opponent for the 'strongest of the 7 kin'!

Why Would you assume that Ultear is stronger than Gray ?

just bec she said she's the Eldest of pla pla pla ?

this is the first time we See Ultear fight right ? ( ignore one Vs Natsu since she said she didn't even go 50% out )


ok if she is really strong then she will win her first battle in manga

She already gave up on her lost magic to use ICE just like Gray ( What a confidence she had in her skills ) Gray on the other hand

Gray : I'll strike you with UR magic n he did . Gray : I believe in UR molding magic.

knowing Ultear weakness & Believing in his strength sounds to me like an S-Class mage !!! don't think too little of Gray please.

MechR
June 26, 2011, 02:32 AM
1) There was nothing wrong with Urtear getting hit by Gray's last attacks. The surprise threw her off, and then Gray was in her face. Remember, he was fast enough to punch her once already at the start of the fight.

2) There was nothing wrong with the Arc of Time failing against frozen blood. It fails against Iced Shell for similar reasons.

ghostexiled
June 26, 2011, 03:35 AM
My thoughts are...

Even if Ultear does somehow get beaten by Gray. We can't assume to know what Ultear's power level is just from some talk and beating up "nice guy" Zeref... a fight we did not even see.

For all we know Zeref could have 2 different personality's... the one we have seen that is timid/sad and the other that is the lord of all things evil in the mage world!

This personality difference could also play in how much and how well each personality knows magic. For those not following, I am stating that the version of Zeref that we have seen, may not know how to fight with his true almighty Zeref magic... where the evil version does.

So going back to if Gray wins... it is plausible. Since we would have to know, "FOR A FACT" that the version of Zeref we saw was a better mage than Gray is.

Now, don't go getting what I am saying wrong and thinking I am saying Gray should win. I am merely stating the groundwork behind this fight and the plausible chance of Ultear losing this fight.

I think Gray should lose as well... but if not, it wouldn't be shocking. :)

Off Topic: Thanks to the members that remember the rules by not talking about other series in this thread.

wooticus
June 26, 2011, 04:12 AM
i totally agree with ghost. if you talk about how powerful a mage is there are a lot of things you have to think about, like how much stamina he has (how long can he cast spells?), how good is he/she as a tactician, how much destruction power she/he has and of course the nature of his/her magic with all it's advantages / disadvantages.

so let's talk about grey. i see him as a quite good mage, but he lacks destruction power and stamina in comparison and his magic really is suited for some situations, but falls back against some other kind of magic. but he is some great tactician and has shown this all over the manga.

now let's talk about ultear. her lost magic certainly is one of the forms of magic with the greatest power because she basically can negate all kind of magic that is not living. that's the reason she defeated zeref i guess. but she doesn't look like she could do a lot of damage with her magic, in comparison to azuma, bluenote or rustyrose. so her strength totally comes out of the nature of her magic - but also having ur's ice magic makes her stronger than zeref.

but what's up with ultear? she wanted to kill her mother because she also loved gray als her pupil? what the hell is wrong with her.. that kind of personality.. i begin to have the feeling that ultears father... is actually zeref...

Ifrit
June 26, 2011, 05:06 AM
Exactly we can't say Zeref is beaten since we all know. that he probably didn't even fight back or it could be a cheap shot from Ultear on weak Zeref ( since we didn't really see the fight ) I also agree with wooticus Azuma n Rustyrose magic is greater for damage if what Ultear showed from her Arc of time against Gray is the best she have. Then there is nothing special about her magic really on type of mages I'll put her under the support magic list just like Wendy ROFL xD

Don't u think it's kinda weird that Ultear greatest hit on Gray was done by ICE ?..does that mean she is weak ( NO ) she could be more dangerous using ICE than ARc of time. UR strength is sure found in Ultear.

Gray Advantage on Ultear :

She is using same ICE her mother used same skills same shape. ( Everything Gray already seen )

UR told Gray he should find his own shape of magic that make Ultear nothing more than copying her mother.

Shiro Tsuki
June 26, 2011, 06:25 AM
Why Would you assume that Ultear is stronger than Gray ?

just bec she said she's the Eldest of pla pla pla ?

this is the first time we See Ultear fight right ? ( ignore one Vs Natsu since she said she didn't even go 50% out )


ok if she is really strong then she will win her first battle in manga

She already gave up on her lost magic to use ICE just like Gray ( What a confidence she had in her skills ) Gray on the other hand

Gray : I'll strike you with UR magic n he did . Gray : I believe in UR molding magic.

knowing Ultear weakness & Believing in his strength sounds to me like an S-Class mage !!! don't think too little of Gray please.

She did win the fight against Zeref!
Its not because the fight was not shown that the credibility of her win should be questioned!...
Maybe Zeref did put on a fight - Maybe Ultear did shown her prowess...(after all she did claimed that she is the eldest after the fight - normally it'd be some kind of claim you'd do if your opponent had initially thought less of you) -
Don't go assuming things please!
And finally her ability to win another fight really does not depend on her powers! Frankly it depends more on the plot!...
It could be Gray wins the fight and Hades finally comes along - Or Hades interrupts the fight to slash Ultear - Or Ultear wins for some other plot based reason...(maybe she has some kind of role to play later on) -

Not making enough substantial damage does not prove one's powers - I mean Erza - with a sword slashed a man who almost destroyed the island - Lucy is none to destroy anything - She is still the main character who ends up winning fights - Gray's powers do not create as much damage as Azuma/Rustyrose - Does that mean Gray is also in 'support magic'? -_-

The thing which I was trying to point out was the level of power/magical abilities both possess -
And it's true that Ultear does have more magical abilities than Gray -
She gave up her lost magic to use ice because she knows that relying on her lost magic would be useless here!
She can't repel the ice - So she uses something else which would prove more efficient -
Usually you'd see characters who rely too much on a single magic go arrogant - rely too much on it - then suddenly when the magic is inefficent - They can't do shit! They just stand there to get busted...

"knowing Ultear weakness & Believing in his strength sounds to me like an S-Class mage !!"
You sound just like Mashima! :D Oh well - Difference of opinion I guess - Gray might be strong - But not enough to be an S-Class!

ca12nag3
June 26, 2011, 07:43 AM
Ultear is like a umbrella over different plotlines.

-Gray/Ul Islandarc
-Hades/Zeref Sclassarc
-Gerard/Sieg Towerarc

There is no way she is done yet. And shouldnt kick the bucket any time soon. After all there is no final confrontation yet between her and Gerard either. This is almost mandatory in the FT world. (See Gajeel vs Jet/Droy/Levy) Even if its minor there was closure.

Also there is a reason why Ultear hates her mother so and we still dont know why. This is a good opertunity to get to that reality. Another thing is once she realizes the real truth (cause i cant sync a evil/bad Ul with a crying over childdress Ul) Ultear should break and not be after her evil plan anymore. If its evil at all.

What i mean is Ultear might be obsessed with something so much that the goal itself isnt evil but her warped ways are the evil. So Gray has to knock some sense in her.

*Btw for those who get this hint*

I hope we dont get a. I wish we met eachother sooner moment.

But even this is a option.

LnDRash
June 26, 2011, 09:46 AM
I'am curious about how they will adapt this chapter into the anime with their no-blood policy xD

luffyg2
June 26, 2011, 10:21 AM
I hope Ultear does not die yet.. I liked her and she was one of the only ongoing villain ... if she loose it would have to be after Zeref is awaken again at least..anyway Grey freezing his own blood was kind of cool

Thorvardur
June 26, 2011, 10:45 AM
I'l predict that next chapter we'll get to know little bit about Ultears past and all tah drama behind it. Gray and Ultear will keep on fightning until gray will get smashed a bit and then he gets up and beats the shit out of her and then she runs away like a chicken the end.

Ninja_Pirate
June 26, 2011, 12:16 PM
I hope Ultear does not die yet.. I liked her and she was one of the only ongoing villain ... if she loose it would have to be after Zeref is awaken again at least..anyway Grey freezing his own blood was kind of cool

I think it was just the overall development for this arc.. or may be she will just escape somehow but will be dead in eyes of everyone.. and for villains.. there are other dark guils's left which we don't know how strong are.. then there is this black dragon.. and i am expecting a dragon slayer to appear with that black fire or something.. and zeref invincible.. then there is one source of magic and all .. I wonder if there is one source of magic then what about dragon slayer magic.. there source is dragons..

About the defeat as i previously mentioned i am expecting gray to be able to make ice of opponent's blood as well .. inside there body.. epic power up.. :)

Ultear adapts to situation pretty well.. first surprise punch later when grey was trying to punch her she avoided so easily and counter attacked at same time.. how much ever grey try .. if ultear manages to fight with using both magics simultaneously.. she will have lot of ice to attack him and grey will be left with a bloody sword.. which can't be replaced time and time again as well since he had limited blood...

Or all FT mages will come and give there blood .. FT spirit :p

Kazu-Sama
June 26, 2011, 08:11 PM
I fail to see why everybody is slating Gray so much. Yeah, Ultear's meant to be really strong. But look at who Gray has fought:
Rayule - won with ease
Leon pt. 1 - Passed out due to emotional trauma
Leon pt. 2 - Won
Juvia - Won, despite being injured
Fukuro - Won, despite Fukuro having a weaker version of Natsu's power
Bixlow - Overpowered Bixlow at first, then lost his entire magic power due to Fried, still suprised Bixlow with his strength
Hall of Thunder - Was the only person, other than Erza, to take out more than one. He took out 4.
Racer - Won
Sugarboy - Won

Fukuro beat Natsu. Gray beat Fukuro. Gray is one of the mages who's up for being 'S'-class. He's beat another one of the mages that could be 'S'-class. I fail to see why everybody is saying Gray'll get stomped. The guy's stronger than he gets credit for. I can see him beating Urtear, but not killing her. She escapes, comes back as a stronger villain later on.

-Ken-
June 26, 2011, 09:05 PM
The blood thing was quite smart. I'll prefer that the fight end here rather than carry on so that Gray'll probaly end it in a not-as-cool way, though.

And if Urtear lose here, I'm not really a fan of her coming back later on. I'll prefer it if she lose here and stay out, or she beat Gray and Gray'll a rematch with her later on.

Leonsagara
June 26, 2011, 11:38 PM
There is no way Gray is going to lose here. Ultear definitely wants him dead, so if he loses here, she's probably going to kill him. I don't know about the rest of you, but I like Gray. I don't want him to die here. And it's reasonable for him to be able to win. Ultear might be strong, but she's already had several tough battles, against Zeref and Natsu. Gray hasn't fought anyone seriously, except for a short team match against Zoldeo/Capricorn.

Ifrit
June 27, 2011, 12:36 AM
There is no way Gray is going to lose here. Ultear definitely wants him dead, so if he loses here, she's probably going to kill him. I don't know about the rest of you, but I like Gray. I don't want him to die here. And it's reasonable for him to be able to win. Ultear might be strong, but she's already had several tough battles, against Zeref and Natsu. Gray hasn't fought anyone seriously, except for a short team match against Zoldeo/Capricorn.

Agree Like I said before there is nothing Ultear gonna do with her ICE magic that Gray didn't see be4. At first he was just shocked that she is using the same magic as her mother but she is nothing more than a copy. Gray came up with his own shape n form of ICE just like Lyon.

I think most of us gonna feel sorry for Ultear next chapter probably take her side. Once we read her story and how she turned to be like that. specially when we find out that all her hate toward her mother is nothing but misunderstanding.

kkck
June 27, 2011, 01:05 PM
I find it interesting that urtear would know ice make at all. I did like finding out that ur's shape for her ice make is plants though (although perhaps plants it too wide, it could also be flowers).

I wonder why Urtear hates Ur though. Perhaps she feels abandoned by her? Or perhaps she thinks ur killed her dad? urtear was likely taken by hades at some point so perhaps hades tricked her into hating her mom.

RaveDragon
June 28, 2011, 04:13 AM
I fail to see why everybody is slating Gray so much. Yeah, Ultear's meant to be really strong. But look at who Gray has fought:
Rayule - won with ease
Leon pt. 1 - Passed out due to emotional trauma
Leon pt. 2 - Won
Juvia - Won, despite being injured
Fukuro - Won, despite Fukuro having a weaker version of Natsu's power
Bixlow - Overpowered Bixlow at first, then lost his entire magic power due to Fried, still suprised Bixlow with his strength
Hall of Thunder - Was the only person, other than Erza, to take out more than one. He took out 4.
Racer - Won
Sugarboy - Won

Fukuro beat Natsu. Gray beat Fukuro. Gray is one of the mages who's up for being 'S'-class. He's beat another one of the mages that could be 'S'-class. I fail to see why everybody is saying Gray'll get stomped. The guy's stronger than he gets credit for. I can see him beating Urtear, but not killing her. She escapes, comes back as a stronger villain later on.

It's not that i want Gray to get stomped or believe he has no chances, he's strong and could win but i think Ultear is an important character who might be one of the last remaining antagonist (giving Gray something to build up his strength for the last match in the manga, some emotional stuff etc you know) so he'd lose her but be determined to help Ultear or beat her the next time.
I mean Ultear was probably in the tower of heaven as a slave; http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/240/17

Over there it looked like she was wearing the litle piece of cloth similar to Erza's and she probably escaped and saw her mum with her two disciples feeling that she had been replaced (or maybe Ur was talking to someone and she said some things with Ultear arriving at the wrong moment)

Ultear has been causing trouble since the beginning so she seems fit for this role ^^ as Grays ultimate enemy =] and even if Natsu comes Gray would punch him if he tried to help im pretty sure, this is something only Gray can do

so for plot reasons i think this will be a draw rather than a loss for Gray cuz then Ultear might kill him

White Silver King
June 28, 2011, 11:46 PM
I fail to see why everybody is slating Gray so much. Yeah, Ultear's meant to be really strong. But look at who Gray has fought:
Rayule - won with ease
Leon pt. 1 - Passed out due to emotional trauma
Leon pt. 2 - Won
Juvia - Won, despite being injured
Fukuro - Won, despite Fukuro having a weaker version of Natsu's power
Bixlow - Overpowered Bixlow at first, then lost his entire magic power due to Fried, still suprised Bixlow with his strength
Hall of Thunder - Was the only person, other than Erza, to take out more than one. He took out 4.
Racer - Won
Sugarboy - Won

Fukuro beat Natsu. Gray beat Fukuro. Gray is one of the mages who's up for being 'S'-class. He's beat another one of the mages that could be 'S'-class. I fail to see why everybody is saying Gray'll get stomped. The guy's stronger than he gets credit for. I can see him beating Urtear, but not killing her. She escapes, comes back as a stronger villain later on.

She's the leader of the strongest team of one of the two strongest dark guilds in the country (depending on who you ask - IMO Levy was talking to the bird guy), she has beaten a sealed Zeref, beaten the crap out of Natsu twice, and tricked one of the 10 Wizard Saints with powerful mental magic - she should be stronger than a potential S-Class mage. But then again the 7 Kin should have beaten FT and we all know how that went. This fight can only go one of two ways: Gray wins (extremely likely despite what should be obvious differences in strength) or Ultear is forced to retreat. SHe won't beat Gray because she is going for the kill and Mashima would NEVER allow that.

And that win record has more to do with Mashima's nakama bull than his skill.

Rawrzor
June 29, 2011, 09:10 AM
To be honest, I think that it would end in Ultear's win by something like, Gray grabbing an advantage, going for the kill, then remembering memories or something about Ultear's mother and stops dead in his tracks, unable to make the final blow and Ultear takes advantage of it. ((Something like that))

And don't forget about Raven Tail! I mean, Ultear has been disloyal since the beginning, ((And its vividly apparent that she doesn't like Hades)) so whose to say that she isn't working for Raven Tail and just using Grimoire Heart as a ruse like she did with the council? I think it'd be cool if in the flash back it takes a twist and all of a sudden, you find out her father is like.... Makarov's son, who is Raven Tail's master. ((Just a thought.))

I agree with whoever said that Gray was strong enough to take Ultear, I believe it could go either way.

Just a little side comment for those who are finding it boring and annoying because of, "Illogical sequences and inconsistancies" I think that you guys just need to remember that this is a fantasy world. Things are different, and the point of him making his own world is for him to make the rules. So hey, some things may seem illogical, big whoop. In his world it isn't. As for inconsistancies, well, they aren't that huge so not really a big deal. Keep an open mind. :)

White Silver King
June 29, 2011, 02:37 PM
Makarov's son, who is Raven Tail's master. ((Just a thought.))
I don't know about that, that's already been done with Luxus.


As for inconsistancies, well, they aren't that huge so not really a big deal.
Except they are...

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July 02, 2011, 02:42 AM
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July 02, 2011, 02:51 AM
dayum
awesome chapter

I felt a bit cheaped how ULTEAR was defeated. NOT Looking forward to see FT pulling another "friendship" power battle lol

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July 02, 2011, 02:55 AM
Another cheesy win for the good guys....Why am I not surprised? Now it seems Hades is our last shot for an unpredictable outcome for this arc; he'd better not lose. (Who knows? Maybe we'll catch a glimpse of the REAL Zeref.)

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July 02, 2011, 03:12 AM
man ultear lost quickly, but i kinda enjoyed the continuity of the melted ice.

Ifrit
July 02, 2011, 03:29 AM
So..now only HADES left. I think Ultear is going to help them beating him maybe not sure...now maybe Ultear + Meredy join FT ?

Don't wanna comment about how Gray win. But most of people on forum already expected the misunderstanding from UR to her mother.

Source of magic : we will find out more in the next chapter I think it's gonna cover it.

Natsu Face : seeing that face again ...I don't think HADES gonna get defeated by the awake Zeref ( But I hope this happen more reasonable ).

HADES is all for Natsu imo.

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dayum
awesome chapter

I felt a bit cheaped how ULTEAR was defeated. NOT Looking forward to see FT pulling another "friendship" power battle lol

I won't consider it as a defeat since she stopped fighting back once she heard her mother voice n memories started to get back to her.

morau-san
July 02, 2011, 03:55 AM
a somewhat standard FT win but i like gray's battles the most. his magic gives us a lot of really cool new attacks to witness. all in all, enjoyable chapter. i can't wait for Hades defeat at the hands of a weakened FT. It will be the most troll worthy moment ever. so excited :D <3

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 04:02 AM
Cover for this chapter = awesoooome!
Lol at Loki looking at Juvia xD and aww lucy is looking at Natsu like 'my hero' =3
Lol Lisanna and Mira that close look so similar ><

Well Ultear looked already fatigued in the beginning I guess i was wrong and she won't be ultimate villian :/ too bad but tbh Hades is overkill for FT they can't beat him imho at the moment and it wouldn't be right for Natsu to do so at this level ^^ maybe a combo?

I thought tower of heaven but experiment? OMG that explains how twisted she is and a lot more =[ but even Ur it wasnt her fault i guess it was s big huge misunderstanding and I agree with ifrit;
would you keep on fighting if you knew your mother actually loved you and thought you were dead so people could take you from her and experiment on you? all those years and know you know how wrong and twisted you were? NO, Hell, NO you'd freeze, you'd be in shock and Gray took the opportunity. Ultear could have kept on going but she lost the will to fight.

Amazing chapter, cheesy yes, but heartwarming and nice ,almost made me cry, okay i admit it, i did cry...a bit...and Gray deserved to win, but i think mashima won't make FT ultimately win ^^

As for the next chapter title Acknowlogia...I am so lost...Lucy might give explanations its sound like a book, or a legend, or something to do with Zeref and the source of legend :/ brainy stuff, well at least we gonna know what formation they took =D

Hades defeated is impossible one-on-one but i guess if they all combined their powers it is possible but i would say there would be sacrifices =S but i think meredy will accidentally meet him give him Zeref (after a v.v.v. small fight or in fear), he defeats FT, we get a crazy sad part and explanations and maybe a big secret revealed (of Z, Natsu and Lucy) and then defeat if not in a fight in their mission to not let them have Zeref ^^ which means all those fights were for nothing and if someone dies it was in vain which for FT is a stab in the heart like a thousand times

wooticus
July 02, 2011, 04:08 AM
and again grey defeated an enemy natus totally lost against... twice. well, of course the outcoming is a bit cheesy - but it could have been much more cheesier.

what i don't like is the fact that ultear acted totally psycho several times.. and now she became calm and did a 180° in personality.

if you look at the last panels of this chapter i guess it will be FT strongest team + zeref versus hades. I don't see any member of FT winning against hades alone.

And what about Gildartz lol? did they just leave him lying where he defeated bluenote lol?

swordsaintscoot
July 02, 2011, 04:09 AM
Now we know the great world of magic will never come to pass, or Ultear would be nigh unstoppable.

Ero-Sanji
July 02, 2011, 04:30 AM
Aw man, now Ultear is out of the picture as well.
It's kind of funny how forced somethings are. Ultear is so much stronger and better than Gray that the only way of him defeating her is for her to be distracted by her mother's presence in the water. Come on!

Now that the history and motives of Ultear is known she has nothing left to offer and thus is equal to nothing. The whole charm about Ultear was her wickedness and superiority and now that character has sunken into the abyss, hopefully never to be seen again. I mean what's the point in Ultear now? Anyway, Mashima has a strong sense of creating characters and I suppose there will be new ones to like.

Lastly, what an amazing foreshadowing, Hades is going to be blown away by the strongest nakama blast, ever!

wooticus
July 02, 2011, 04:39 AM
Aw man, now Ultear is out of the picture as well.
It's kind of funny how forced somethings are. Ultear is so much stronger and better than Gray that the only way of him defeating her is for her to be distracted by her mother's presence in the water. Come on!

Now that the history and motives of Ultear is known she has nothing left to offer and thus is equal to nothing. The whole charm about Ultear was her wickedness and superiority and now that character has sunken into the abyss, hopefully never to be seen again. I mean what's the point in Ultear now? Anyway, Mashima has a strong sense of creating characters and I suppose there will be new ones to like.

Lastly, what an amazing foreshadowing, Hades is going to be blown away by the strongest nakama blast, ever!

The funny thing is that ultear is the one responsible for ul melting into the ocean to begin with. so that's the typical plan of a villain that fires back

1337 haxor
July 02, 2011, 04:41 AM
I'll be blunt, who the hell f*cked up Ur's and her daughter's life so badly?

Do I have that Aizen/Raito esque feeling that Hades has manipulated everyone from even before they were born?

Anyhow, the fight itself was good, we have Grimmoire Heart essentially finished after a row of tought fights and this is by far the longest running arc in the series.

I am not saying they can't beat Hades but I can say it easily that friendship alone won't cut it.

Hades is a true demon, irredemable and almighty, his cold esque Ulquiorra feeling of no two shits about smashing the heroes cold dead and all it takes is a direct confrontations.

He is going to murder someone, that's a given, and a beast will awake to take revenge upon him.

HaiSuShi
July 02, 2011, 04:49 AM
Wow, Ultear was somehow cute this chapter(page 12, bottom left panel)....that's scary.
Idk, but it doesn't bug me that Ultear lost so fast because, IMO, I found it well executed.(and heartwarming, like RaveDragon said)
It made sense for me, why she wanted to control Arc of time and how she is able to fight on after all these battles.(Zeref,Natsu,Gray)
The whole thing with Ul was just icing on the cake.

And the cover is awesome! Did somebody else think Gazille was groping Juvia,lol?

BlackHair
July 02, 2011, 05:00 AM
If Hades is going to lose against these three (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/37257601/22), then I will stop reading Fairy Tail.

Laxus Lightingeel
July 02, 2011, 05:01 AM
Chatper 241 Page 21:
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/37257601/21
and Chapter 228 page 25/26
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v23/c228/25.html
In chapter 228 of the island I rise storm
And in chapter 241 I see the heavens opened and the lightning I see 3 black pukty like the movement of the body.
Is the entrance Laxus?.

ca12nag3
July 02, 2011, 06:11 AM
Chapter kept it simple and to the point. Nothing bad there, felt a bit rushed but not in a annoying way. Seems Ultears past is just as tragic as Gerard/Erzas. Irony in her trickery towards Gerard there.

Wonder if she will play any role in the near future, btw Meredy is loyal to her not Hades perse. So how will the *dragging Zeref* thing end now?

Sollum
July 02, 2011, 06:33 AM
If Hades is going to lose against these three (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/37257601/22), then I will stop reading Fairy Tail.

Lol, then you should stop it right now :D

Chapter was great!

And sad story is sad :(

Zeref led a guild eh? I bet its Tartarus ^_^

sarutobi_sensei
July 02, 2011, 06:39 AM
Found it interesting but not epic. Urtear's motives were nice, wanting to see her mother again, and the part about hearing her voice in the water was also interesting. I wonder if Ur can for a body of water. That'd be cool. But I guess we won't be seeing it.

Juvia was still creepy xD But awesome haha meredy has no reason to keep running with Zeref since she listens to Urtear. Unless Hades appears and takes Zeref of her :x

loved the coverpage, guildartz is now on the floor, I wonder who'll he find first.

I sure hope that Natsu, Erza and Gray don't defeat Hades. Those 3 have practically no magic power left for fighting and they would be fighting against Hades? Unless they have a death wish they shouldn't fight.

That and we still need to know more about Zeref and Mavis. They'll still have a part on this arc.


Wow, Ultear was somehow cute this chapter(page 12, bottom left panel)....that's scary.
Idk, but it doesn't bug me that Ultear lost so fast because, IMO, I found it well executed.(and heartwarming, like RaveDragon said)
It made sense for me, why she wanted to control Arc of time and how she is able to fight on after all these battles.(Zeref,Natsu,Gray)
he whole thing with Ul was just icing on the cake.

And the cover is awesome! Did somebody else think Gazille was groping Juvia,lol?
Agreed. She was born with too much magical power, that's why she was able to fight all those battles.

And yeah for a second there, I thought he was gropping her xD


Chapter kept it simple and to the point. Nothing bad there, felt a bit rushed but not in a annoying way. Seems Ultears past is just as tragic as Gerard/Erzas. Irony in her trickery towards Gerard there.

Wonder if she will play any role in the near future, btw Meredy is loyal to her not Hades perse. So how will the *dragging Zeref* thing end now?
The irony xD

She will play a part in the future most likely.

There's still so much on this arc, Mavis, Zeref, the flashback or flashforward from a couple of chapters ago.

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Lol, then you should stop it right now :D

Chapter was great!

And sad story is sad :(

Zeref led a guild eh? I bet its Tartarus ^_^
I bet it was Fairy Tail or it's ancestor.

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 07:02 AM
I bet it was Fairy Tail or it's ancestor.

Lol i would not be surprised it would be such a cool plot twist, hey anyone thought about that Zeref might actually be this nice guy but with a split personality or something possessing him? Like he really was FT master in the olden days and he was nice and cool but he was consumed by his magic or something or by the black dragon?

LoS
July 02, 2011, 07:31 AM
lol,
am I inside my mother? what kind of foolishness am I reading now?

Gray despite all the injuries and exhaustion just gets up and walks towards Hades, as does Ezra. Sigh, it's something you expect from Fairy Tail, the sheer audacity of pulling something so asinine.

The final page makes you believe Fairy Tail actually has a chance of defeating Hades. Which, is sad, because this manga needs a long standing villain, and Hades is the perfect fit. It's just too bad Mashima this entire arc has continued the theme of the power of friendship/bonds uniting shall overpower evil.

Also, Urtear is older than Gray and Leon, so why did she look younger/the exact same age as them in the flashbacks? She certainly looks older than Gray now?

Lol at the coincidence of Hades finding Urtear at some magical Library, and knowing how to pull her heartstrings and say just the right words. Plothole much?

This chapter wasn't bad because everyone in the world saw the outcome coming a mile away. Surprisingly though, Urtear showed signs of exhaustion early on, after using her mothers magic. And despite that, Gray of course just stands up after taking a direct hit. Now that, is just stupid. Urtear is tired, Gray is wounded, and the fight goes on, Urtear begins to doubt herself and lose her conviction, that is why she lost. Or at least I would like to think that way, because she certainly has no business losing to Gray what so ever. Gray wins because Urtear's emotional state is rattled. Which, shows Gray has some power and maintains that Urtear didn't flat out get overpowered by him. Or so I hope.

The one thing I absolutely will not stand for in this manga is if Gildartz gets up after admitting he's exhausted and tries to help out in battling Hades. Well him and Makarov, who is still on death's doorstep from his injuries and exhaustion. But hey, this is Fairy Tail where Gray should be out of commission, the same with Ezra who got beaten up worse than Gray and used up more magical power, but hey they are both walking towards Hades, so I guess why not make it completely unrealistic and have Gildartz join up with the group.

ghostexiled
July 02, 2011, 07:55 AM
I thought was the chapter was nice.

Especially liked to see that Ultear has a back story for her that explains why she hated her mother... of course if I were her, I would of just walked up to her and been like, "What are we all laughing about?"

"Oh... don't mind me! I am just your dead daughter!" :p

I have a feeling that Hades set the whole Ur's daughter is dead thing up... since we are to believe that Ur didn't see Ultear's body once, after being told she was dead.

So Hades cuts her off from being a good person like Leon and Gray.

He wants her because of her large magic ability... so to LoS, Hades finding her in a libary is not all that plot-hole-ish, if he was the one behind her being held and her fake death in the first place.

My thoughts of the future will be that everyone will face off against Hades... but get their collective asses handed to them.

Including Glidartz...

I still have a feeling that Zeref will awaken and do him in. Nothing says EVIL like killing the one that is trying to use you for his own EVIL desires. :)

to RaveDragon - maybe Zeref is Mavis! :p

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 07:57 AM
^actually we have never been told Ultears age ^^ I didnt find it in the wiki and i dont remember ever hearing she was older than Gray and co. We just know she's the oldest of the seven Kin thats all

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Ultear_Milkovich

And for all we know Hades might have been the one who made her go through all those hardships, she has a lot of magical power so i wouldnt be surprised he was interested in her

Plus gray is stronger than he looks and he was hit with Ice magic his specialty, he should know how to defend a bit from it, he wasnt really doing much though he jumped on her usually when characters are exhausted they do that. it was a good fight and her past made sense.

Plus guys this is
1- fiction
2- for younger teens
3- A MAGIC manga where it makes sense that logic doesn't fit a lot of times

on the plus side...Gray had no nakama powerup ^^

LoS
July 02, 2011, 08:26 AM
so to LoS, Hades finding her in a libary is not all that plot-hole-ish, if he was the one behind her being held and her fake death in the first place.

I actually thought of this as well, but it led me to far too many questions I just didn't bother posting it. Such as, if she is born with such strong magical power, could her father have been some amazing Mage? Why was her magic so strong at such a young age instead of the normal process where mage's witness their power gradually grow as they age? Just too many questions to ask. But yes, the Hades set up is the most likely answer, as I thought as well. Actually, it is the only plausible one to tell the truth. It is also in his MO as the all seeing, and ever planning bad guy. One way or another he collected all these youngsters and taught them the lost magics for a reason.


My thoughts of the future will be that everyone will face off against Hades... but get their collective asses handed to them.

Including Glidartz...

I still have a feeling that Zeref will awaken and do him in. Nothing says EVIL like killing the one that is trying to use you for his own EVIL desires.

One can only hope the guild will get curbstomped by him, showing them just how far they all need to grow in order to get to the upper echelon of the magical world.

And yes, I too think that only an awakened Zeref would be able to take down Hades, just that he is such a cautious and knowledgeable guy I am sure he would have safeguards in place to prevent his creation/pet from turning on him. But Zeref going wild and once again starting his quest to immerse the world in darkness would allow the FT people to witness first hand the difference in their strength and set them on the path of getting stronger in order to defeat such evil.


to RaveDragon - maybe Zeref is Mavis!

I know you are joking, but I actually thought Mavis was going to be Zeref's grandson. Not joking either

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 08:45 AM
to RaveDragon - maybe Zeref is Mavis!

hey, in Fairy Tail anything is possible thats what i learnt to deal with and now love ^^


I know you are joking, but I actually thought Mavis was going to be Zeref's grandson. Not joking either

It would be such a twist if thier actually connected =D maybe the boy really is mavis and Zeref is a relative whose discendant are actually macao and romeo xD

Zeltrax
July 02, 2011, 09:02 AM
Only problem I had with this chapter was when Ultear found out the "truth".
It felt wasted imo because it could have been done better rather than
"because Ur's ashes are in the sea, so now I know her feelings and I'm actually a bad guy"
kind of pull. It would have been better if there was a more logical reasoning to her seeing that flashback.
Like someone has posted, it will make more sense if hades is involve.
I know I should read ft lightheart-ly but Ur, being a great mage and all
should notice her daughter is dead or alive and not easily believe the words of those uh, whoever they are.

Other than that, pretty good chapter.
Gray's win is justifiable because Urtear is distracted + they are in the sea.
I just wished it could be longer and they could show off more stuff though.
Hades losing to the 3 of them and probably lucy too is ridiculous.
Counting lucy aside, 2 of them are already exhausted and can barely walk.
In the end it will be natsu being the one that does the most attacks and winning..
Not sure I like that considering how Hades "played" with makarov, by having those 3 win, won't
natsu be insanely strong :blink

and Ultear creepy and evil character buildup over the last 200 chapters just got crushed.

ca12nag3
July 02, 2011, 09:09 AM
Only problem I had with this chapter was when Ultear found out the "truth".
It felt wasted imo because it could have been done better rather than
"because Ur's ashes are in the sea, so now I know her feelings and I'm actually a bad guy"
kind of pull. It would have been better if there was a more logical reasoning to her seeing that flashback.
Like someone has posted, it will make more sense if hades is involve.
I know I should read ft lightheart-ly but Ur, being a great mage and all
should notice her daughter is dead or alive and not easily believe the words of those uh, whoever they are.

Other than that, pretty good chapter.
Gray's win is justifiable because Urtear is distracted + they are in the sea.
I just wished it could be longer and they could show off more stuff though.
Hades losing to the 3 of them and probably lucy too is ridiculous.
Counting lucy aside, 2 of them are already exhausted and can barely walk.
In the end it will be natsu being the one that does the most attacks and winning..
Not sure I like that considering how Hades "played" with makarov, by having those 3 win, won't
natsu be insanely strong :blink

and Ultear creepy and evil character buildup over the last 200 chapters just got crushed.

We know nothing of this institute yet, btw it could be that that place is linked to the council. Also Ul was younger and a mother. Being logical isnt always an option when someone is emotional. Besides like i said we dont know that institute. So its possible that it was a great authority at the time and wouldnt be second guessed.

ghostexiled
July 02, 2011, 09:10 AM
@ LoS

True that Hades would have protective measures in place, in case such a thing were to happen as to have Zeref turn on him.

But I am thinking that Zeref is suppose to be almost the literal God of Magic. There has been no sign that there is/were an equal to Zeref.

Yin and Yang type deal... so I would guess that whatever magic you throw at "awakened" Zeref, he will know it and eat it for breakfast. :)

What better way than to have the series villain curbstomp Hades into oblivion... right after Hades curbstomped FT into oblivion.

That would set Zeref up to be what the series has been painting him to be... the God of Magic.

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 09:13 AM
@ LoS

True that Hades would have protective measures in place, in case such a thing were to happen as to have Zeref turn on him.

But I am thinking that Zeref is suppose to be almost the literal God of Magic. There has been no sign that there is/were an equal to Zeref.

Yin and Yang type deal... so I would guess that whatever magic you throw at "awakened" Zeref, he will know it and eat it for breakfast. :)

What better way than to have the series villain curbstomp Hades into oblivion... right after Hades curbstomped FT into oblivion.

That would set Zeref up to be what the series has been painting him to be... the God of Magic.

Life and death magic does make you think that, but what is the key that will awaken zeref, it is on the island Ultears comment on how she had it says so, could it ctually be one of FT and then who? natsu/Lucy or is it actually FG?

I can so see that, a defeated FT pummeled by Hades when suddenly the key appears whatever or whoever it is and Zeref pummels Hades and laughs at Ft leaving them alive because they are not worth it or something. Then the boy comes to the rescue =D

Atobe the king
July 02, 2011, 09:24 AM
I liked this chapter, thought it was well done. Idk how they're gonna beat hades though....

White Silver King
July 02, 2011, 09:29 AM
Well, it wasn't like there could have been any other outcome. But I can be comforted in the fact that it was pretty much a draw and she had already fought and pwned Zeref and Natsu before this.

Zeltrax
July 02, 2011, 09:30 AM
I liked this chapter, thought it was well done. Idk how they're gonna beat hades though....
I think that's the least of my worries.
It will be probably through the power of friendship and willpower .
What I am curious about is zeref and that suppose group of people in urtear's flashback, if that is the council
and if it is, that will be the old council not the new one.
Which won't make sense if the old one wasn't corrupt, so I don't think it is.

Atobe the king
July 02, 2011, 09:35 AM
What i meant was, idk how they're gonna beat him in a way that wont make the forum explode or endanger mashimas life lol.

White Silver King
July 02, 2011, 09:42 AM
What i meant was, idk how they're gonna beat him in a way that wont make the forum explode or endanger mashimas life lol.
They're not because anyway in which they beat him is complete and utter bullshit. We know it's gonna be Natsu and that's crap because he's fought and won 3 (maybe it was 2, I really couldn't give a shit) fights that were all BS wins not only should his stamina be at absolute zero but his magic should be in the negative zone. Gildarts can't even move, Mira is unconscious, Erza is (or at least should be) done, Gray is all to' up, and Fried and Bixlow as well. Hades epic-wtf-mega-ultra-uber pwned Makarov in seconds, there isn't anything an extremely exhausted rag tag group of guild members should be able to do to him.


What I am curious about is zeref and that suppose group of people in urtear's flashback, if that is the council

I was under the impression it belonged to Hades.

ghostexiled
July 02, 2011, 09:44 AM
Going a bit off topic here:

The thing that I have a hard time wrapping my head around is the dislike of FT's friendship power.

I know for a fact and so should most of you... when you have something or someone in your life that means something to you. Then you will fight with everything you've got to protect it.

Sure FT may lay it on thick... but if you're 241 chapters into this series and still have issues with it, then you need to either except it or leave it.

This series has ALWAYS put heavy emphasis on teamwork and friendship. The manga is about a Guild... that is why the manga is named after the Guild.

I don't mean or want to get into a debate about this... so if your going to chime in, put it in spoiler tags.

On topic:

I stick to my last post and say that Zeref will own Hades after Hades owns FT. :)

I would be shocked if Hades lost to anyone in FT. But there is always the possiblilty that Hades will tell Natsu something about the dragons that will send him into Super DS mode.

I hope not though...

White Silver King
July 02, 2011, 09:48 AM
I stick to my last post and say that Zeref will own Hades after Hades owns FT.

Is this an unsealed Zeref? Because the sealed one got pwned by Ultear.

~If you read the post before this one... you would know that I mean the awakened version. :) ~Ghost

Ok, I can see that. That'd be pretty cool actually.


The thing that I have a hard time wrapping my head around is the dislike of FT's friendship power.

I know for a fact and so should most of you... when you have something or someone in your life that means something to you. Then you will fight with everything you've got to protect it.

Sure FT may lay it on thick... but if you're 241 chapters into this series and still have issues with it, then you need to either except it or leave it.

This series has ALWAYS put heavy emphasis on teamwork and friendship. The manga is about a Guild... that is why the manga is named after the Guild.

I don't mean or want to get into a debate about this... so if your going to chime in, put it in spoiler tags.
To an extent, I don't have a problem with it. You can't read a manga without getting some of the nakama power-up bull. But what bothers me is when every single fight in every single arc is one purely through nakama power-ups (the only fight that really sticks out to me that was won through actualy brawn/brains is Lyon's fight against Racer). To me, that shows a lack of creativity and writing ability. I still read FT though because I really like the concept of it and out of loyalty with the hope it'll turn around.

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 09:54 AM
What i meant was, idk how they're gonna beat him in a way that wont make the forum explode or endanger mashimas life lol.

No worries we'll get a protection squad for him, I like the nakama feel and thats why i read FT plus we all already said it millions of times and ghostexiled summarised it perfectly ^^

But come on, if FT wins all the battles its one thing but this is a FRESH hades who pwned makarov who did this;
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7117-16/fairy-tail/chapter-2.html

Plus dont you remember this ending;
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/234/18
"We believed in it, Our victory..." Depressing much, whatever happens at the end FT lost, may it be the fight or the life of a friend (which for this guild is worse) they lost something =/

I agree with Ghost like i said Hades pummels FT, key to Zeref whoever or whatever it is awakens his bad side, Zeref pummels hades and we get a training arc and lots of grief =]

On the other hand i has a feeling we shall all be left with our jaws to the floor (even perforating it) by the plot twist i predict mashima will do, maybe all these wins are like the metaphor; "win the battles but lose the war"

ca12nag3
July 02, 2011, 09:55 AM
Well we dont know how Mashima wants to make this work. You see 1 on 1 nobody thats still standing can beat Hades but a team effort might work. Its not like his magical power should be so much of an eclipse that he totaly overpowers everyone.
If hes able to oneshot people like Gray and Erza then its more or less game over but if they can keep at bay long enough to put up a teameffort a 3 on 1 might work.

Its like how lions team up on a buffalo, 1v1 a lion wont ever ever win vs a buffalo but when they gang it its easy picking. So just saying that omg they cant win vs Hades is bullshit in my book. Unless like i said if hes able to oneshot them its more or less impossible.
Btw about Makarovs loss, remember he was grabbing for his chest when fighting him, he got a weak heart so most likely hes not half the man he was when he was fit for fighting.

As for the Ultear development, im curious if shes gonna catch up with Meredy and order her to stop going. Since she got Zeref with her its possible. And im also starting to fear for Juvia, she is just behind her and if Hades shows up its game over for her.

White Silver King
July 02, 2011, 09:58 AM
Its not like his magical power should be so much of an eclipse that he totaly overpowers everyone.
If hes able to oneshot people like Gray and Erza then its more or less game over but if they can keep at bay long enough to put up a teameffort a 3 on 1 might work.
Did you see what he did to Makarov? He pretty much one-shotted him.

ca12nag3
July 02, 2011, 09:59 AM
Did you see what he did to Makarov? He pretty much one-shotted him.

Like i said Makarov is a sick old man. He was already in no condition to fight + Hades knew all his moves at forhand. In no way a fair fight.

Zeltrax
July 02, 2011, 10:02 AM
Like i said Makarov is a sick old man. He was already in no condition to fight + Hades knew all his moves at forhand. In no way a fair fight.
The thing here is hades played him like a child, even if it wasn't a fair fight and he was handicapped to some degree,
He couldn't have lost like that unless hades is insanely strong.
The buffalo and lion theory isn't accurate.
I rather say that its a wolf and 3 sheeps.

White Silver King
July 02, 2011, 10:04 AM
Like i said Makarov is a sick old man. He was already in no condition to fight + Hades knew all his moves at forhand. In no way a fair fight.

Yeah he's old but he's MEGA strong. He wiped out Jose Porla and all his peeps with one-shot, he destroyed the GH ship with a punch (all of the 7 Kin were shocked at how powerful he was), and has been full of badassery since the beginning of the series. He's like FT Yama. And the fact that Hades knew all his moves (which we don't really know, we don't know the extent of his magical abilities when he was 40) doesn't really mattered since they were so outclassed by his own. And may I remind you that Hades is WELL over 100 years old.

ca12nag3
July 02, 2011, 10:17 AM
Yeah he's old but he's MEGA strong. He wiped out Jose Porla and all his peeps with one-shot, he destroyed the GH ship with a punch (all of the 7 Kin were shocked at how powerful he was), and has been full of badassery since the beginning of the series. He's like FT Yama. And the fact that Hades knew all his moves (which we don't really know, we don't know the extent of his magical abilities when he was 40) doesn't really mattered since they were so outclassed by his own. And may I remind you that Hades is WELL over 100 years old.

Its like you said he whiped Jose in 1 shot. But you forget 1 huge thing, when the entire laxus ordeal started he was k.oed and hospitalized. They thought he was gonna die and he has a heartcondition. And when hes fight Hades he clearly grabs for his heart. The guy has a heartcondition. This DID NOT show when he was fighting Jose. You cant ignore that the old geezer has a bad heart and you still expect him to fight on par with a top lvl mage like Hades.
Even if Hades is older his physicals didnt show any sign of trouble. Yet for Makarov its not the same.

Also even normal people in our daily lives dont age the same, some people need care when they are in their 60s others are in their 80s and still live by themselves perfectly fine.

I dont see age having the same effect on Hades as it seems to have on Makarov with his heartcondition.

Btw ive got another idea.

How about a fusion between Ul and Juvia? Farfetched or maybe a possibility. I supose Meredy with Zeref is heading for the beach and where water is Juvia thrives, also Ul is *in the water*. So they might help eachother to gain a more powerfull form of magic to stop Hades? Just a idea?

ghostexiled
July 02, 2011, 10:39 AM
Careful that you guys don't start bleeding over into general discussion about who is stronger and what they did... you can talk that out in the Hangout Thread.

I actually think that Makrov has a trump card still... not one that will completely destroy Hades, but one that will shake him up good.

I see Hades putting the awakening of Zeref on show to FT.

He will laugh and dish out his belief on why this must be done... all the while flicking FT members away. Makrov makes a sudden appereance and states that he has a way of stopping him.

Sacrifice maybe?

Of course they may only go as far as knocking Hades down to a level where either:

A.) Natsu fights and kicks his ass... but Zeref still awakes.

B.) All FT fights and kicks his ass--- but Zeref still awakes.

C.) Hades still kicks ass, Zeref awakens. Turns and kills Hades.

I have a sneaking feeling that this WHOLE island battle is the final key to awakening Zeref.

I mean if you remember his "keys" were given once something specific happened... in Meledy's case her entire city had to be wiped out.

So having an all out battle against 2 strong guilds could be the key... that or the outcome of it, someone dies.

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 10:45 AM
Careful that you guys don't start bleeding over into general discussion about who is stronger and what they did... you can talk that out in the Hangout Thread.

I actually think that Makrov has a trump card still... not one that will completely destroy Hades, but one that will shake him up good.

I see Hades putting the awakening of Zeref on show to FT.

He will laugh and dish out his belief on why this must be done... all the while flicking FT members away. Makrov makes a sudden appereance and states that he has a way of stopping him.

Sacrifice maybe?

Of course they may only go as far as knocking Hades down to a level where either:

A.) Natsu fights and kicks his ass... but Zeref still awakes.

B.) All FT fights and kicks his ass--- but Zeref still awakes.

C.) Hades still kicks ass, Zeref awakens. Turns and kills Hades.

I have a sneaking feeling that this WHOLE island battle is the final key to awakening Zeref.

I mean if you remember his "keys" were given once something specific happened... in Meledy's case her entire city had to be wiped out.

So having an all out battle against 2 strong guilds could be the key... that or the outcome of it, someone dies.

I like B or C xD Natsu as much as i <3 him is in no condition to beat even a weakened Zeref. :pwned imo

I has a feeling that there are multiple keys and the last one is on the island and actually a member of FT so it has to do with Lucy (i mean her magic is literally keys xp) explaining her imp part or maybe Natsu.

We all know though the plot twists and revelations which will be like :jawdrop will come up now ^^

exacta
July 02, 2011, 10:46 AM
First half of the chapter was good because Urtears reasons for hating Ur were very well written......then Mashima immediately after the flashback makes her realize Ur cared about her just because shes underwater and Gray defeats her with a really dull ice shard attack. Scratch off another antagonist who had great potential. Although, this doesn't change that Arc of Time could still bring back her mother. Well, either way, at least we still have Hades.

White Silver King
July 02, 2011, 10:47 AM
when the entire laxus ordeal started he was k.oed and hospitalized. They thought he was gonna die and he has a heartcondition
That was for plot reasons, there'd be no manga if Makarov just killed everybody for them...

RaveDragon
July 02, 2011, 10:49 AM
That was for plot reasons, there'd be no manga if Makarov just killed everybody for them...

Plot reasons or not he still has a heart condition and is weak no? it's a manga yes but it would be then too much for his health to come back to quickly i mean even his council friend told him to retire for his own good, hat has to be foreshadowing right?

ErosVp
July 02, 2011, 10:53 AM
I knew this chapter was going to be like that, I even comented Ultear's hate was a misunderstanding.... but still, it's really boring when the readers can predict that easily what the author is going to do, when it's this obvious it's just lame.

Then it's up to Natsu, Erza and Gray to defeat the villain, again! Why gildartz can't move and Erza is going to fight? It's certain they will defeat the most powerfull mage the manga showed, the one who was once the master of their guild, and traveled the world to learn more about magic and be more powerfull.... I hope Natsu can show that form with scales again, and use it whenever he wants.

I don't believe Ultear or Meredy are going to join FT. They can't be part of one of the greatest dark guild and not get arrested because they want to join FT, they must have commited a LOT of crimes! Gerard was imprisonned wasn't he? Ultear must take Meredy and run to live their lifes anyway they want, but as wanted criminals...

ca12nag3
July 02, 2011, 11:49 AM
I knew this chapter was going to be like that, I even comented Ultear's hate was a misunderstanding.... but still, it's really boring when the readers can predict that easily what the author is going to do, when it's this obvious it's just lame.

Then it's up to Natsu, Erza and Gray to defeat the villain, again! Why gildartz can't move and Erza is going to fight? It's certain they will defeat the most powerfull mage the manga showed, the one who was once the master of their guild, and traveled the world to learn more about magic and be more powerfull.... I hope Natsu can show that form with scales again, and use it whenever he wants.

I don't believe Ultear or Meredy are going to join FT. They can't be part of one of the greatest dark guild and not get arrested because they want to join FT, they must have commited a LOT of crimes! Gerard was imprisonned wasn't he? Ultear must take Meredy and run to live their lifes anyway they want, but as wanted criminals...

why gildarts is kinda beat up is cause Bluenote is one of the strongest oponents out there, also hes injured from fighting the black dragon so his body might not heal back up as fast as its suposed to. Same with Makarov both these character even if they use kick ass super magic still got *human* bodies.

As for the plot its not to obvious, you could have guessed but not for sure that Ultear was actualy a ill child brought to a doctor to coap with the extreme amount of magic that could kill her. Ofc that Ul loved her was obvious. But Ultear didnt see it that way due to what happend. Its not a bad plot.

Ultear and Meredy wont join FT i guess. Its possible but i supose not. But being in a dark guild? Truthfully Ultear wants to go back to a time she didnt hate her mother, well i supose now she doesnt hate her anymore so she got her wish. I doubt she will go do evil again. As for Meredy she doesnt realy do evil, she simply follows her foster mother Ultear and does what she wants her to do.

I think Ultear either takes the fall and goes to jail under the condition that Meredy stays out of jail or she escapes to saftey and she will make cameos now and then. Thats what i think. Finaly she could die but thats i dunno FT just doesnt excell in deaths :D

ErosVp
July 02, 2011, 12:21 PM
I'm not saying Ultear and Meredy are evil! I'm saying they are criminals and the concil will not permit they join FT, the concil will try to capture them as they did with Gerard...

ca12nag3
July 02, 2011, 12:29 PM
I'm not saying Ultear and Meredy are evil! I'm saying they are criminals and the concil will not permit they join FT, the concil will try to capture them as they did with Gerard...

in your analysis Leyon and gang, as well as Gajeel,Juvia and Laxus are criminals. I think the coucil as said earlier isnt all that just, like how they arrested Erza. A scapegoat > Hades will do fine.

ErosVp
July 02, 2011, 12:53 PM
They were never in a dark guild! They caused problems for a few people and the problem was solved internally! Luxus problem was only a trouble for his guild, Gajeel and Juvia were following orders and their Master was punished....

luffyg2
July 02, 2011, 01:34 PM
was not the best chapter that's for sure... anyway I really see Urtear coming in at the last minute in the fight vs Hades and then using Ice Shield... she will then melt and be washed away in the ocean .. joining her mother for ever...and the two of them will finally be together like they wanted

Uriel
July 02, 2011, 02:27 PM
I was dissapointed with Urtear battle. Being more powerful than Azuma, this battle was merely a joke. All of it. But oh well, let's how Hades will take all of this.

shinjiru777
July 02, 2011, 03:23 PM
It's will be more surprise when mashima could use clestial keys magic for defat this bad guy or if only this dragon belong to Natsu can arrive [he is she btw.?] OR SOMETHING! THIS IS A FU...'N MAGIC MANGA!!! >_>""" I dont want a stupid psyhical "magic" fight , we need voldemort and horcruxes >_>

Sevenheadedmirror
July 02, 2011, 04:53 PM
Not one battle lost by the good guys. Not a single freaking one to make the enemy look decent

Naruffy
July 02, 2011, 07:07 PM
Not one battle lost by the good guys. Not a single freaking one to make the enemy look decent

Hades vs Makarov, Mira vs Azuma, Rusty Rose vs Elfman and Evergreen. There's been plenty of fights to make the enemies look better. Ultear didn't lose because Gray was more powerful, she lost because of her emotions.

ShoobyDooBop
July 02, 2011, 07:24 PM
Nice chapter.
The wallpaper was nice.
So Bluenote exhausted Gildarts e?
I feel so sorry for Ultear. I have no complaints about how she was defeated since she already had a bout with Zeref. The flashback was nice.
And shit, seems like those are gonna fight Hades, Natsu, Gray and Erza. *Geez*, please Mashima, don't do a nakama shit to defeat him.

MechR
July 02, 2011, 08:12 PM
If anyone beats Hades, it won't be Team Natsu. Zeref is most likely.

I could see Makarov doing it, since Mashima's keeping him alive for something. He could pull a double-KO with the right powerup.

The Council still hasn't made their move yet either.


was not the best chapter that's for sure... anyway I really see Urtear coming in at the last minute in the fight vs Hades and then using Ice Shield... she will then melt and be washed away in the ocean .. joining her mother for ever...and the two of them will finally be together like they wantedI like this idea.

White Silver King
July 02, 2011, 09:37 PM
Hades vs Makarov, Mira vs Azuma, Rusty Rose vs Elfman and Evergreen
Apparently Makarov is "weak" (which is complete bull shit) so Hades victory isn't impressive, Azuma turned around and got nakama-fucked, and Rusty Rose opened his mouth and got double teamed by Fried and Bixlow. The whole ordeal was embarassing.

BlackHair
July 02, 2011, 11:03 PM
also hes injured from fighting the black dragon so his body might not heal back up as fast as its suposed to.There are no indication in the manga that the fight with the black dragon affected Gildartz fighting. As he came back from his mission, he was already completely healed from the fight, despite the bandages.



Apparently Makarov is "weak" (which is complete bull shit) so Hades victory isn't impressiveHades won due to his overwhelming strength. It wasn't Macrove's illness which led him to his loss. He was simply overpowered by Hades. Hades gave him a complete fodder treatment. Macrove didn't even scratch him. Just loot at him at the end of the fight, no signs of damgelines. Hades is a monster. I can't even see healed Gildarts+enitre FT (except Makarov) winning against Hades.

Let see what kind of powerup they will get to beat him. If its again that friendship bullshit, I'm done. Gazelle barely won against 2 fodders, with what everyone thought the kins are easily stronger than FT. However every kin except Asuma was a let down. Even though at the beginning of the battle Mashima went through all that hyping the kins. Heck, even the last minute character Bluenote, wasn't that biggy, considering he didn't even got his own chapter of defeat. He was defeated in one single move. Almost every battle in this arc was a huge let down. I don't get why Masima went through trouble hyping these villains. The only real deal so far is Hades. And if he is also defeated "poorly" then I'm rly done with this manga. The last couple of chapter are nothing but frustrating, I stopped enjoying the chapters months ago. The fights are way too simple, friendship wins all the time.

ghostexiled
July 02, 2011, 11:07 PM
Guys please do not flat out state you HATE this manga... literally.

Whether you are meaning to or not, it is fuel for a bashing/flaming war.

No one is forcing you to read this manga... don't like it enough to where you feel you have to state that you don't like it? Drop it!

Senseless comments that are just stating you hate/dislike the series (without a constructive view) will be deleted... there is really no point in such comments in a discussion thread.

Again I encourage people to post their opinions in a constructive manner, whether they are satisfied or disappointed. This is to allow others to be able to participate in what you have to say.

It really is not that hard to do.

I created this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/71264-Weak-Points-In-the-Fairy-Tail-Series?p=2520972#post2520972) for the members that wish to discuss the shortcomings of FT... please use that thread rather than clog the discussion thread up. Make sure to READ and FOLLOW the rules of that thread.

Zeltrax
July 02, 2011, 11:15 PM
I agree that fairy tail may be overusing the friendship theme and stuff like that,
but it is enjoyable and I like reading it despite its shortcomings.
Mashima seems to at least be making an effort when he decided to put erza, gray and natsu against hades
instead of natsu again. He knows the power levels he made will topple over if natsu beats hades so that's
the reason why gray and erza is there, at least that's how I feel.
They are now indeed fairy tail's strongest team and natsu is really strong, he's that guy that defeated zero alone.

I'm still looking forward to what natsu will do, over the past chapters he had been showing various faces
that makes me think he is in some kind of deep thought or something.
Pretty sure that Bluenote was put into the arc to battle and drain all the strength from Gildartz so that meant
that Mashima planned for natsu and the rest to bring hades down from the start.

I'm trying to be fair to Mashima.

Kauia
July 02, 2011, 11:48 PM
Love the chapter. Lucy's so cute in the cover.

I love the chapter its good I tell you. Wow, the thing about Ur being mad about her Mom's pretty cool.

On the other side, I think everyone just gets frustrated because they have to wait a week before reading a new chapter. If a person reads the whole arc, I don't think they'd be saying things like that. that's that. Just enjoy reading and don't overload yourself. You'll burn. Ghostexiled's right. Please don't post on how you don't like this chapter or anything like that. It's a thread about predictions. Its annoying when you want to discuss predict and you turn it too on how the chapter sucks, nakama power, etc.

Moving forward....

Someone in the forum said something about the institution connected to the magic guild. Makes me wonder, there could be an arc about a fight between FT and the magic guild. If it is, that'll be sooooo epic.

Looking at Gray, Natsu and Erza's face is sooo epic. I can't wait for the next chapter.

In the Luxus arc, It was commented (Sorry, I can't spell her name) that Makarov doesn't have long to live. I believe its correct to assume that Makarov lost easily because of his condition.

I don't think Fairy tail would win. I'll stick to the fact that Hades would defeat FT. Possibly Zeref would interfere who could actually be Mavis as someone said so himself. But that chapters away.

The three: Natsu, Gray and Erza, could be the attacking team. Lucy I think would be there as well to say something or inform about the whole main source of magic. Hopefully, there'll be a revelation about Layla, Lucy, Natsu, Zeref and the dragons. I wonder if Zeref would say or look when he and Lucy finally see each other?

It's oh-so-exciting. :D

Atobe the king
July 03, 2011, 12:08 AM
@Kauia I find reading in bulk adds a different perspective and makes things more enjoyable, i started FT this year and started reading before this current arc actually, meaning i read from chapter 1 to alternate world arc in a few days and i never felt bored of FT at all. Still don't i just take it for what it is.

I agree with the others saying it will be Zeref who saves the day, the trio is exhausted, they have no (logical) shot at winning this.

amen ghost

Faust Lim
July 03, 2011, 12:50 AM
I just had a great thought!
Well, I was thinking that if the "perfect" magic world came to pass and Ultear got her time travelling powers.
Then, I thought what if the scene with Romeo wasn't the past or future but an ALTERNATE REALITY.
A reality which exist due to Ultear's meddling in time where Romeo carries the future of Fairy Tail.
In the current reality I presume, Hades has killed all the fairy tails and Ultear tries to repent or make up to them by trying to alter the past.

This is just a thought, but It will be great if it really happens!

EDIT: Btw, great chapter. For those who think this chapter sucks and cant comprehend those who liked this chapter, suck it up cos' we dont get you guys either

Kauia
July 03, 2011, 02:19 AM
That sounds a little like RM if you ask me in a different way of course. I don't know about Hades killing everyone in Fairy tail where Romeo's the one leading.

Another arc where Natsu, Gray, Lucy and Erza travelling by for some odd reason in an alternate future's interesting. But it sounds unlikely to happen. Though what you say really something fun to read as long FT's self proclaimed strongest team's there. If they had a team name, I'd call them the Atomic Bomb team. They do destroy something in every mission they take.

I didn't expect Ultear to lose. I thought she'd be on a tie at least. But I find her past interesting, the way the fight went on was great. I think the three: NGE are aware that they may lose; maybe not Erza nor Natsu, still, they'll fight but lose. Before the three of them die, Zeref would interfere and all hell breaks loose.

I hope they finally say what the source of magic is all about.

I'm such a random type of person.

White Silver King
July 03, 2011, 10:34 AM
Hades won due to his overwhelming strength. It wasn't Macrove's illness which led him to his loss. He was simply overpowered by Hades. Hades gave him a complete fodder treatment. Macrove didn't even scratch him. Just loot at him at the end of the fight, no signs of damgelines. Hades is a monster. I can't even see healed Gildarts+enitre FT (except Makarov) winning against Hades.
That particular statement was meant to be laced with sarcasm, sorry if that didn't come across. I, personally, wasn't taking anything away from Hades' victory. I fully believe that he won because his magical power is just so immense, not because Makarov is "weak". There were just people saying that Makarov is all weak because he's sick which is the complete opposite of what we've seen in the manga (except for Laxus and that was for plot purposes because if Makarov was set loose there wouldn't have been an arc and Mashima wouldn't have been able to service Natsu). Is Makarov old? Yes. Is he sick? To an extent. But is Makarov weak? No way in hell. A weak man wouldn't be able to wipe out the entire second strongest guild in Fiore single-handedly with a single move.

Uriel
July 03, 2011, 11:32 AM
Something we haven't asked yet...What's the true relation between Zeref and Magic Core? If I'm not wrong, Zeref did lived and it wasn't exactly what they call the golden age of magic.

Why him? I hope Mashima reveals that soon.

Ifrit
July 03, 2011, 11:54 AM
to RaveDragon - maybe Zeref is Mavis! :p
Just so you know this would be really good...I knida like the idea and I pointed it be4 for Zeref to be a FT member or even the starter of it.

---------- Post added at 07:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:53 PM ----------


Something we haven't asked yet...What's the true relation between Zeref and Magic Core? If I'm not wrong, Zeref did lived and it wasn't exactly what they call the golden age of magic.

Why him? I hope Mashima reveals that soon.

He is the Source of magic I think ( Zeref )

Vaste Lorde
July 03, 2011, 02:42 PM
There are no indication in the manga that the fight with the black dragon affected Gildartz fighting. As he came back from his mission, he was already completely healed from the fight, despite the bandages.

He may be healed but it does not mean he is as strong if not stronger than before. Missing limbs + organ? to me that sounds about as limited as it gets, you don't need a manga to indicate that; if hes human than a missing limb Will affect him, its common sense.

I think Everyone is hyping Hades. People complain after when someone who is not expected to beat him does like Natsu. Yes I will agree that the friendship is getting out of hand, its being used quite often now.

I understand Gray has important friends who he probably considers family but using them as his strength is like an excuse, Gray should have his own reasons, well at least the author should come up with one. it gets repetitive.

1337 haxor
July 03, 2011, 07:48 PM
Now seriously, I will discuss how I see the upcoming Hades fight in details and I hope everyone enjoys it.

First of all, Hades is on a level above Gildarts, Bluenote and Makarov so don't think anything Natsu's team throws off will get to him.

I will facilitate it by dividing the fight in four rounds put in spoilers since it's very long.

Round ONE

FIGHT

In whichever circumstances they meet the obvious opponents Hades will face are Gray, Natsu, Erza and Lucy.

The first round will be introductory, Hades will tell all of Fairy Tail to throw everything the have at him and reveal that he was the former FT master.

In villaneous words:

"First I will show the strenght of the faith and friendship you hold high so much, the power of darkness, the origin of magic, comes afterwards".

Natsu, Gray and Erza will attack him with their best attacks while Lucy remains a bystander.

Hades will tank everything and remain immovable.

They will work up a super team strategy and manage to hit him but he remains unscatched much to their shock.

Hades then decides they have nothing else to show him and goes to the offensive.

He will effortlessly beat the crap out of them while demoralizing their fighting spirit by revealing some harsh truths about FT.

As he makes a move to kill the three Lucy intervenes and distracts him.

Hades is undazzled but her plan works as he turns his attention to her summoning all her celestial spirits at once.

In a brutally violent onslaught Hades curbstomps all the celestial spirits leaving only Loke whom he pins down.

He wraps Lucy in chains and tell her broken comrades that he will rip her apart before their eyes.

As Hades slowly kills Lucy Natsu goes batshit insane unleashing dragon force and blasting Hades under a massive attack.

End of Round ONE.

Round TWO

FIGHT

Natsu's half dragon state caughts Hades by surprise and engulfs him in a massive torrent of flames.

The chains retracts and Lucy is beaten but fine.

Everyone sheers at Hades aparent defeat and as they prepare to depart chains coming out of the ground impale Erza, Gray and Lucy on several points pinning them to the ground.

Natsu is shocked as he turns to Hades silhouette arising from the flames reminescent of his attack.

Hades suffered several burns and most of his clothing is gone revealing his muscular build and several seals crafted into his flesh.

Natsu stands on his feet now confident in his new power yet Hades simply appears to just have earned interest in this fight.

Hades compliments Natsu commenting how amusing that all that power were still inside him but Natsu only scoffs it off telling Hades that he is going to make him pay for what he did to his guild and Makarov.

Hades drops the smile and coldingly remarks that he had just finished showing the strenght of their bonds and that Natsu is only confident because he have never witnessed the true face of dark magic.

As the sun sets and an ominous crescent moon raises on the background Hades transforms.

A rain of black flames descends all over Tenrou Island scaring the rest of FT members on the island and tipping Gildartz off with a terrible feeling shared by Cana and Wendy.

They set off towards the battlefield.

End of Round TWO

Round THREE

FIGHT

To Natsu and his comrades dismay Hades transforms into a tall humanoid skull dragon clad in armor and chains.

Hades reveals to Natsu that he as human would have perished long ago but that by finding the essence of magic he was able to transcend his human limitations and become something more akin to a god.

He and Natsu clash but the later is now overpowered easily and thrown flying away.

Natsu desperately fires of powerful secret dragon techniques but Hades counters them with ancient magic getting to Natsu and brutally beating him in meele combat.

Erza and Gray break free and try to mount and attack but they are squashed of by a shadow chain attack and fall uncontious while Lucy desperately tries to free herself and help Natsu.

Natsu refuses to give up to Hades which in turns makes him lose his cool and pin the beaten up dragon slayer into the floor.

Hades states that Natsu's spirit might be unshakable but that of his comrades aren't, he states that Natsu is a lynchpin of hope to his guild and that as long as he lives FTs destruction will never be complete.

With that said Hades cooks up a dragon killer death ray pointing towards Natsu's head.

Lucy despairs as Hades prepares to finish Natsu once and for all, in her exhausted pinned down state she desperately reaches to her keys.

Hades finishes up charging, Natsu prepares for the worst...

In the last moment Virgo's portal opens between Natsu and Hades, Lucy barges in arms open to shield Natsu.

Loke watches in horror as Hades fires a massive dark ray of energy engulfing the two.

End of Round THREE

FINAL ROUND

FINISH

As the dragon killing attack engulfs the two Natsu's scales and power up breaks as everything goes dark.

He slowly regains his senses as his shaken vision focuses on the figure before him.

Lucy is still standing with her arms wide open and for a moment Natsu smiles in relief.

She then falls limb with a smile on her face, her chest dyed black with several burns through her body.

Natsu snaps, he desperatly tries to make her listen to him but she is cold and breatheless.

Hades ponders at her capacity to shield her friend from his attack and taunts for Natsu to get back to fighting, however, he just stands looking at Lucy's corpse with tears running down his face. His fighting spirit finally broken.

Nonchalant Hades prepares to kill the broken Natsu albeit now with more of a sense of mercy.

Before he does so a crash blasts him in the face sending him flying off.

Gildartz stands besides Natsu and tells him to leave Hades to him and to take his friends to safety.

Cana and Wendy show up previously meeting with Gildartz, they tell Natsu to bring Lucy over to them.

He rushes of to the spot while Hades raises from the smoke of Gildartz attack, Gildartz charges against him.

Loke breaks free and picks up Gray and Erza while Natsu takes Lucy, they bring them to Wendy and Cana for healing.

As they realize the conditions of Lucy, memories rush through their heads.

Natsu is in deep flashbacks over what Lucy meant for him and that if he had choose to retreat when Hades gave the chance she wouldn't have ended like that.

Cana is in deep guilt that her obsession with becoming an S class brough Lucy to her demise and ponders if Fairy Glitter can defeat Hades.

As they fall deeper into their toughts Wendy interrupts them with a scream.

"IT'S NOT HEALING!"

She is in shock, crying that Lucy's wounds are not healing and she remains cold and limb.

Wendy desperately breathes hoping that she is just lacking magical strenght while Natsu and Cana panick in further before the news.

They are however interrupted by a fast object flying past them.

Gildartz makes a harsh landing grasping the ground to regain his feet, his protesis was ripped of and his wounds have been all opened over.

Gildartz reasures them he will be fine and they must move on while Hades appears mostly unscatched complimenting on his opponent's ability to retain composture but tell that it's useless since those kids had already lost all hope. He tells that the spell he used was originally created to kill dragons and that dragon slayer magic at their level would have no effect on it.

Gildartz rushes of another time but Hades stops his attack and begins to beat him down brutaly.

As Gildartz is getting beaten the trio of FT mages lost themselves in despair, while Loke realizes something is wrong.

If Lucy was dead then why his contract with her didn't end?

As Gildartz flies of unconscious Natsu screams for Lucy to live.

Lucy begins to emanate a lot energy from her body suprising Natsu and the others as a massive pilar of light goes out from Lucy.

As the light breaks Lucy's body had turned pitch black reflecting the starless sky above.

She emits a loud shriek as the black mold in her face forms eyes and teeth of pure light and ten orbits from the zodiac constelations form around her.

Zeref awakes immediately and ponders if they had unsealed him but as a scared to death Meredy tells him otherwise.

He tells Meredy and Juvia that the massive energy shockwaves they are witnessing will destroy the world and that only he is able to stop them.

Hades is in disbelief that Lucy survived and turned into something like that but simply decides that he will finish her off.

He fires another black ray at her but she casts a shield of light with her mind dispersing the attack.

Hades is shocked but Lucy simply ports in and kicks him flying away.

He parells off and begins casting several extremely powerful attacks but Lucy is dodging them all.

Hades gets upset and fires his most powerful attack, Lucy creates claw of pure light and tears it's way through it cutting Hades down.

He falls, she stomps on his broken form and creates a cruel looking keyblade of light aiming to decapitate him.

Everyone is in disbelief pleading for her not to forget who she is.

Loke tries to call her back to her senses only to be met with a tossed keyblade impaling him dead to the spirit world.

She turns to Natsu, Wendy and Cana and begins to charge up a massive ray of light.

Natsu realizes she is unable to realize who they are and resigns himself to their impending demise.

Zeref barges in placing his hand on her shoulder, he orders her to stop.

Lucy complies.

He then performs a seal on her back and she powers down.

Lucy falls on the floor uncontious but she quickly wokes up with no memory of what had transpired.

Hades witnesses Zeref sealing Lucy and starts to have flashbacks.

As he goes through his reasons for leaving Fairy Tail and beginning his quest for darkness he realizes his wrongs but that he now knows the answers he was looking for.

Zeref's control over that being of absolute power despite being sealed could only mean one thing, Lucy held inside her the key to the origin of magic.

He apologises to Mavis and Makarov mentaly before passing out.

In the aftermath of the battle Zeref, Ultear and Meredy join Fairy Tail in leaving the island as the council fires etherion.

Meanwhile the remaining Grimmoire Heart members appear unconscious in the medical facility of a submarine with Tartarus banner.

Two shadowy figures talk to each other about the recent events of significant importance while one of them holds a set of keys in it's hands.

THE END

Kurohitsugi
July 04, 2011, 05:28 AM
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/37257601/10

Don't know if it has been already mentioned but did anyone else noticed that according to Urtear, there was a Dark Guild led by Zeref in the past ? Tartarus probably ? Of which I believe Hades is a member.

Uriel
July 04, 2011, 07:46 AM
Or maybe that Dark Guild was Fairy Tail :P

kkck
July 04, 2011, 09:41 AM
Well, the revelation of zeref having a dark guild in the past is not in itself all that strange. If I recall, zeref was said to have lead a sort of war against the entire world. Even the group that tried to build the tower of paradise was supposed to be a sect that worshipped zeref. The organization that followed zeref being a guild is what makes the most sense in that regard.

To be honest the revelation which I found to be more interesting is that apparently the completition of the magical world that grimmoire heart wants would somehow complete or enhance urtear's arc of time. This is extremely important because it shows that there is more to the magical world than just the genocide of 90% of the people of the world. It is also coherent with what rustyrose said about how the magical world would help him deal with the side effects of his lost magic.

As far as hades vs makarov goes, it is quite obvious hades is an stupidly powerful mage however the issue was not necessarily one of skill or even amount of magical power. Bluenote made a point which is extremely relevant. He said that those attuned to the origin of magic can use any spell in existence which included the enormously complicated fairy glitter. Hades stated he saw the origin of magic and he showed an unnatural speed when it came to using spells which makarov implied were immensely complicated. In that regard what won the fight was not necessarily that hades in itself had more magic or skill but rather that he could use extremely powerful spells without the preparation that they would normally require.

Atobe the king
July 04, 2011, 11:29 AM
Something interesting i saw on loltvtropes....puts the whole arc into perspective for me though its a bit outdated. Based on the way the person wrote it i picture the samething happening here, the trio will actually own Hades.....to an extent

Gazille, nearly killing himself in the process, defeats the first arriving Grimoir Heart members? These are only scouts, the real enemy fighting force, Seven Kin of Purgatory, are far more powerful. Makarov gets serious from the beginning and nearly destroys Grimour Heart's airship? The airship is restored in seconds and guildmaster Hades steps up to curbstomp Makarov. Fairy Tail members on the island miraculously manage to defeat most of the Seven Kin? Hades' second-in-command, Bluenote, steps in and blows most of those still standing away with no effort. Kana manages to bring the secret magic of Fairy Tail, Fairy Glitter, to bear against Bluenote? It doesn't work because he's just that much more powerful than her. Gildartz, Fried and Bixlow return to the island and seem to be overpowering Grimoir Hear members for a moment? Azuma seizes control of the island's magic, so that instead of protecting Fairy Tail members from death, if instead drains their power? Erza confronts Azuma, Azuma is Blood Knight enough to battle her fair and square, Erza is backed by Power Of Friendship, because the entire confrontation hinges on this duel, Erza puts her everything into one decisive attack, disregarding defense... And despite all the standard signals, indicating that the villain is about to lose, Azuma still wins.

LoS
July 04, 2011, 11:50 AM
Haxor, your scenario seems much too dark for Fairy Tail, we haven't seen anything near that through 200+ chapters

Makarov does nothing the entire time... and Zeref isn't evil and only seals up Lucy, without Hades and an evil Zeref you no longer have any villain of Fairy Tail

RaveDragon
July 04, 2011, 12:00 PM
He is the Source of magic I think ( Zeref )

I think he's just part of it like he's the yin and someone else is the yang ^^but yeah thats the basic idea


Something we haven't asked yet...What's the true relation between Zeref and Magic Core? If I'm not wrong, Zeref did lived and it wasn't exactly what they call the golden age of magic.

Why him? I hope Mashima reveals that soon.

he's bound to do his story right? I mean he's Zeref who knows Natsu so he'll give it to us, btw in Edolas wasnt he Hughes so that might give us some hints on him :/



Now seriously, I will discuss how I see the upcoming Hades fight in details and I hope everyone enjoys it.

First of all, Hades is on a level above Gildarts, Bluenote and Makarov so don't think anything Natsu's team throws off will get to him.

I will facilitate it by dividing the fight in four rounds put in spoilers since it's very long.

Round ONE

FIGHT

In whichever circumstances they meet the obvious opponents Hades will face are Gray, Natsu, Erza and Lucy.

The first round will be introductory, Hades will tell all of Fairy Tail to throw everything the have at him and reveal that he was the former FT master.

In villaneous words:

"First I will show the strenght of the faith and friendship you hold high so much, the power of darkness, the origin of magic, comes afterwards".

Natsu, Gray and Erza will attack him with their best attacks while Lucy remains a bystander.

Hades will tank everything and remain immovable.

They will work up a super team strategy and manage to hit him but he remains unscatched much to their shock.

Hades then decides they have nothing else to show him and goes to the offensive.

He will effortlessly beat the crap out of them while demoralizing their fighting spirit by revealing some harsh truths about FT.

As he makes a move to kill the three Lucy intervenes and distracts him.

Hades is undazzled but her plan works as he turns his attention to her summoning all her celestial spirits at once.

In a brutally violent onslaught Hades curbstomps all the celestial spirits leaving only Loke whom he pins down.

He wraps Lucy in chains and tell her broken comrades that he will rip her apart before their eyes.

As Hades slowly kills Lucy Natsu goes batshit insane unleashing dragon force and blasting Hades under a massive attack.

End of Round ONE.

Round TWO

FIGHT

Natsu's half dragon state caughts Hades by surprise and engulfs him in a massive torrent of flames.

The chains retracts and Lucy is beaten but fine.

Everyone sheers at Hades aparent defeat and as they prepare to depart chains coming out of the ground impale Erza, Gray and Lucy on several points pinning them to the ground.

Natsu is shocked as he turns to Hades silhouette arising from the flames reminescent of his attack.

Hades suffered several burns and most of his clothing is gone revealing his muscular build and several seals crafted into his flesh.

Natsu stands on his feet now confident in his new power yet Hades simply appears to just have earned interest in this fight.

Hades compliments Natsu commenting how amusing that all that power were still inside him but Natsu only scoffs it off telling Hades that he is going to make him pay for what he did to his guild and Makarov.

Hades drops the smile and coldingly remarks that he had just finished showing the strenght of their bonds and that Natsu is only confident because he have never witnessed the true face of dark magic.

As the sun sets and an ominous crescent moon raises on the background Hades transforms.

A rain of black flames descends all over Tenrou Island scaring the rest of FT members on the island and tipping Gildartz off with a terrible feeling shared by Cana and Wendy.

They set off towards the battlefield.

End of Round TWO

Round THREE

FIGHT

To Natsu and his comrades dismay Hades transforms into a tall humanoid skull dragon clad in armor and chains.

Hades reveals to Natsu that he as human would have perished long ago but that by finding the essence of magic he was able to transcend his human limitations and become something more akin to a god.

He and Natsu clash but the later is now overpowered easily and thrown flying away.

Natsu desperately fires of powerful secret dragon techniques but Hades counters them with ancient magic getting to Natsu and brutally beating him in meele combat.

Erza and Gray break free and try to mount and attack but they are squashed of by a shadow chain attack and fall uncontious while Lucy desperately tries to free herself and help Natsu.

Natsu refuses to give up to Hades which in turns makes him lose his cool and pin the beaten up dragon slayer into the floor.

Hades states that Natsu's spirit might be unshakable but that of his comrades aren't, he states that Natsu is a lynchpin of hope to his guild and that as long as he lives FTs destruction will never be complete.

With that said Hades cooks up a dragon killer death ray pointing towards Natsu's head.

Lucy despairs as Hades prepares to finish Natsu once and for all, in her exhausted pinned down state she desperately reaches to her keys.

Hades finishes up charging, Natsu prepares for the worst...

In the last moment Virgo's portal opens between Natsu and Hades, Lucy barges in arms open to shield Natsu.

Loke watches in horror as Hades fires a massive dark ray of energy engulfing the two.

End of Round THREE

FINAL ROUND

FINISH

As the dragon killing attack engulfs the two Natsu's scales and power up breaks as everything goes dark.

He slowly regains his senses as his shaken vision focuses on the figure before him.

Lucy is still standing with her arms wide open and for a moment Natsu smiles in relief.

She then falls limb with a smile on her face, her chest dyed black with several burns through her body.

Natsu snaps, he desperatly tries to make her listen to him but she is cold and breatheless.

Hades ponders at her capacity to shield her friend from his attack and taunts for Natsu to get back to fighting, however, he just stands looking at Lucy's corpse with tears running down his face. His fighting spirit finally broken.

Nonchalant Hades prepares to kill the broken Natsu albeit now with more of a sense of mercy.

Before he does so a crash blasts him in the face sending him flying off.

Gildartz stands besides Natsu and tells him to leave Hades to him and to take his friends to safety.

Cana and Wendy show up previously meeting with Gildartz, they tell Natsu to bring Lucy over to them.

He rushes of to the spot while Hades raises from the smoke of Gildartz attack, Gildartz charges against him.

Loke breaks free and picks up Gray and Erza while Natsu takes Lucy, they bring them to Wendy and Cana for healing.

As they realize the conditions of Lucy, memories rush through their heads.

Natsu is in deep flashbacks over what Lucy meant for him and that if he had choose to retreat when Hades gave the chance she wouldn't have ended like that.

Cana is in deep guilt that her obsession with becoming an S class brough Lucy to her demise and ponders if Fairy Glitter can defeat Hades.

As they fall deeper into their toughts Wendy interrupts them with a scream.

"IT'S NOT HEALING!"

She is in shock, crying that Lucy's wounds are not healing and she remains cold and limb.

Wendy desperately breathes hoping that she is just lacking magical strenght while Natsu and Cana panick in further before the news.

They are however interrupted by a fast object flying past them.

Gildartz makes a harsh landing grasping the ground to regain his feet, his protesis was ripped of and his wounds have been all opened over.

Gildartz reasures them he will be fine and they must move on while Hades appears mostly unscatched complimenting on his opponent's ability to retain composture but tell that it's useless since those kids had already lost all hope. He tells that the spell he used was originally created to kill dragons and that dragon slayer magic at their level would have no effect on it.

Gildartz rushes of another time but Hades stops his attack and begins to beat him down brutaly.

As Gildartz is getting beaten the trio of FT mages lost themselves in despair, while Loke realizes something is wrong.

If Lucy was dead then why his contract with her didn't end?

As Gildartz flies of unconscious Natsu screams for Lucy to live.

Lucy begins to emanate a lot energy from her body suprising Natsu and the others as a massive pilar of light goes out from Lucy.

As the light breaks Lucy's body had turned pitch black reflecting the starless sky above.

She emits a loud shriek as the black mold in her face forms eyes and teeth of pure light and ten orbits from the zodiac constelations form around her.

Zeref awakes immediately and ponders if they had unsealed him but as a scared to death Meredy tells him otherwise.

He tells Meredy and Juvia that the massive energy shockwaves they are witnessing will destroy the world and that only he is able to stop them.

Hades is in disbelief that Lucy survived and turned into something like that but simply decides that he will finish her off.

He fires another black ray at her but she casts a shield of light with her mind dispersing the attack.

Hades is shocked but Lucy simply ports in and kicks him flying away.

He parells off and begins casting several extremely powerful attacks but Lucy is dodging them all.

Hades gets upset and fires his most powerful attack, Lucy creates claw of pure light and tears it's way through it cutting Hades down.

He falls, she stomps on his broken form and creates a cruel looking keyblade of light aiming to decapitate him.

Everyone is in disbelief pleading for her not to forget who she is.

Loke tries to call her back to her senses only to be met with a tossed keyblade impaling him dead to the spirit world.

She turns to Natsu, Wendy and Cana and begins to charge up a massive ray of light.

Natsu realizes she is unable to realize who they are and resigns himself to their impending demise.

Zeref barges in placing his hand on her shoulder, he orders her to stop.

Lucy complies.

He then performs a seal on her back and she powers down.

Lucy falls on the floor uncontious but she quickly wokes up with no memory of what had transpired.

Hades witnesses Zeref sealing Lucy and starts to have flashbacks.

As he goes through his reasons for leaving Fairy Tail and beginning his quest for darkness he realizes his wrongs but that he now knows the answers he was looking for.

Zeref's control over that being of absolute power despite being sealed could only mean one thing, Lucy held inside her the key to the origin of magic.

He apologises to Mavis and Makarov mentaly before passing out.

In the aftermath of the battle Zeref, Ultear and Meredy join Fairy Tail in leaving the island as the council fires etherion.

Meanwhile the remaining Grimmoire Heart members appear unconscious in the medical facility of a submarine with Tartarus banner.

Two shadowy figures talk to each other about the recent events of significant importance while one of them holds a set of keys in it's hands.

THE END

Wow, seriously WOW but its too dark for Ft i could see something in these lines happening more drama less violent more sappy and yeah nice xD but like Los said Zeref would be evil so maybe Lucy accidentally breaks the seal?

cartoonfreak
July 04, 2011, 03:45 PM
The post before me was epic. Props to that kind of imagination and intel about Fairy Tail. It seems like that would happen but i can't see that happen now. Lucy has more keys to collect and I think its too early to really see her in action like that yet. I could see that happen preceding the final arc of the manga though when the Dragons come into play.

"My thoughts of the future will be that everyone will face off against Hades... but get their collective asses handed to them.

Including Glidartz...

I still have a feeling that Zeref will awaken and do him in. Nothing says EVIL like killing the one that is trying to use you for his own EVIL desires."

I would have to most likely agree with this post. There are a few more dark guilds left so I see Lucy playing a part further into the manga. I REALLY HOPE THERE IS A TWIST TO THIS ARC THOUGH. this arc has been way too disappointing. Erza winning the way she did and Ultear practically giving up was terrible. I also expected much more intense coverage of the battle between Gildartz and Bluenote. The arc has very disappointing ending so I think there will a huge twist to this plot at the end of it all to make up for the battles.

My idea is that the Natsu, Grey and Erza plus Lucy and Cana will fight Hades. Hades will first knock out Melody and take Zeref and tell Ultear he know she'd betray him and it was him that took her away from his mother. She gets angry and tries to attack him but gets knocked out instantly. They will get beat in the beginning and combine to do some attack that leave Hades unscratched and just have his clothes ripped off just like Rave dragon said. Hades knocks out everybody and Natsu is the only one conscious. There i think it Natsu tries to battle him but is beaten for a chapter, when suddenly Laxus comes. The both of them battle together against Hades and do massive damage but at the end still get beaten. Just when they seem like theyre about to finished off, Makarov comes to their rescue. He does his become giant magic thing and tells all of fairy tail to leave the island right away and that he'll take care of this. They scream no, but just like in One Piece with Whitebeard he tells them he is their children and this is his job. He tells Laxus he is the next guild master for Fairy Tail and tells him and Gildartz to take care of everyone.

The council person gets everyone together and everyone on the island including Melody and Ultear are teleported away except for Zeref, Mavis and Makarov. They have an epic battle where they both send out Fairy Law and you see a whole explosion. Scene cut to everyone crying when theyre back home and Laxus gives an epic speech to tell everyone to get stronger so nothing like this ever happens again. Ultear and Melody are allowed to leave and do their own thing. Another scene cut to where you see Zeref floating in the water and is picked up by a floating boat run by none other......yes, Laxus's father and Makarov's son, Ivan Dreyer.

LoS
July 04, 2011, 09:59 PM
Ultear and Melody are allowed to leave and do their own thing.

The council might have something different to say...

1337 haxor
July 04, 2011, 11:41 PM
Thanks for the reps exactly as planned. :nod

Way too dark? Idk, the way how Hades dealt with Makarov, how Mirajane went down and in the end everyone was fine inspite of the tension killers.

My scenario only ended with Hades dead while the only ones aware of Lucy's transformation were Zeref, Natsu, Wendy and Cana.

It was sort of a hook up because Lucy certainly has more than meets the eye and she is by far the only one who has shown connection to the essence of magic.

As much as Zeref is the death handler, I don't think he should awake now unless for a brief moment.

Good Zeref needs build up, I can see Mashima working a way for Natsu's confrontation with him in the end being all the more dramatic if there was a previous bond formed between the two.

It also paves way for the last arc where Zeref will combine Lucy's powers with his own to try and reshape the world.

The dragons would sort of be forced under his control through the origin of magic and the rest is history.

As for Makarov I don't expect him to do much more in this arc, he is already near dead and it would be better if his epic moment was saved for the final confrontation with Ivan.

If there is a thing Mashima does well is introducing a character only to discuss his story (focusing an arc on him/her) later and this arc belongs to Cana and Ultear so far.

Also, in regards to Zeref, Ultear and Meredy on FT you can say that next arc FT will be labeled a dark guild so screw the council.

Syphin
July 05, 2011, 04:46 AM
Also, in regards to Zeref, Ultear and Meredy on FT you can say that next arc FT will be labeled a dark guild so screw the council.
I like the way you think =) - I never did like the Magic Council.

Great theories and potential developments you came up with as to how the Hades fight could unfold, found them enjoyable to read (and it did help spark more thinking on my part as to how Fairy Tail could develop).

Kauia
July 05, 2011, 05:54 PM
Who knows, maybe there'll be an arc between fairy tail and the magic council. Someday. I think.

If Laxus succeeds his as a master, I think there has be sort of a fight or battle in an arc;a different one, not this one, where he will prove himself to be a capable leader worth for fairy tail. Possibly, it could be an arc where Raven guild is involved.

Hades is a big problem but what about the Magic Council? Their threat to fire etherion is still there. Wonder if it'll be stopped? If not maybe the island will do something or Zeref's anger, wherein the one shown in Charle's vision will finally happen.

RaveDragon
July 06, 2011, 03:44 AM
Who knows, maybe there'll be an arc between fairy tail and the magic council. Someday. I think.

If Laxus succeeds his as a master, I think there has be sort of a fight or battle in an arc;a different one, not this one, where he will prove himself to be a capable leader worth for fairy tail. Possibly, it could be an arc where Raven guild is involved.

Hades is a big problem but what about the Magic Council? Their threat to fire etherion is still there. Wonder if it'll be stopped? If not maybe the island will do something or Zeref's anger, wherein the one shown in Charle's vision will finally happen.

Laxus becoming master instantly i doubt it but i think he would be like master in training or something until he gets the guilds respect and understanding again fully

Mest took the communication globe thingy from the ship which is utterly destroyed thus we can safely assume that etherion cannot be fired until they get it back and i dont think they feel like going onto the island to do that with all the stuff happening...it is the council we're talking about

It is possible they are there just so they can give support to ft after they see what a great guild blablabla they are and see what they lost so that they dont disband it. even if they disband FT im pretty sure theyd become a 'dark guild' and keep on working to get back thier honor anyway like someone mentioned before. But yes Ft vs MC is bound to happen it has been foreshadowed several times since the start.

Charle's vision only has natsu crying again though...it must be a big loss to make him cry and not angry :/ I think angry zeref has been done already

ca12nag3
July 06, 2011, 07:52 AM
Who knows, maybe there'll be an arc between fairy tail and the magic council. Someday. I think.

If Laxus succeeds his as a master, I think there has be sort of a fight or battle in an arc;a different one, not this one, where he will prove himself to be a capable leader worth for fairy tail. Possibly, it could be an arc where Raven guild is involved.

Hades is a big problem but what about the Magic Council? Their threat to fire etherion is still there. Wonder if it'll be stopped? If not maybe the island will do something or Zeref's anger, wherein the one shown in Charle's vision will finally happen.

How would kicking peoples asses prove Laxus is capable of leading a guild? FT acording to Makarov is a family. You care for your family and friends. Love and friendship is what FT is about in this model. So in order for Laxus to seriously aim for FT master he has to protect and care for him fellow comrads. Especially those in FT ofc.

That does not always include kicking peoples asses. Since the position of FT master is more or less a father to all in FT. Can he do that? Just asspulling the idea that he can just jump in and save the day and then Makarov kicks the bucket does not make him FT master.

As for the plot now i say its very much possible we get a 3 on 1 with Erza,Natsu and Gray vs Hades. But i got a funny feeling that something will happen to Juvia. After all shes following Meledy who carries Zeref. If Hades finds them Juvia is on her own. And since shes injured but feels obligated to do what Gray told her to do.
I just hope not but its possible she will get hurt.

ShoobyDooBop
July 08, 2011, 08:44 AM
How would kicking peoples asses prove Laxus is capable of leading a guild? FT acording to Makarov is a family. You care for your family and friends. Love and friendship is what FT is about in this model. So in order for Laxus to seriously aim for FT master he has to protect and care for him fellow comrads. Especially those in FT ofc.

That does not always include kicking peoples asses. Since the position of FT master is more or less a father to all in FT. Can he do that? Just asspulling the idea that he can just jump in and save the day and then Makarov kicks the bucket does not make him FT master.

As for the plot now i say its very much possible we get a 3 on 1 with Erza,Natsu and Gray vs Hades. But i got a funny feeling that something will happen to Juvia. After all shes following Meledy who carries Zeref. If Hades finds them Juvia is on her own. And since shes injured but feels obligated to do what Gray told her to do.
I just hope not but its possible she will get hurt.

Hey, Laxus cares for the guild and the others that's why his Fairy Law didn't do anything. But ofc he has to do something, atoning for his sins and say some good lines just like Makarov.

Where does it state that you have to be father-like in order to be master?

One time, Makarov thought about those three considering retirement but the three of them isn't suited since he thought Erza is young, Mystogan lacks of communication and Laxus, his attitude. But now his attitude has changed so only thing left is for atonement. He even thought Laxus as one to inherit his will.

ghostexiled
July 08, 2011, 10:02 AM
Guys please know that there is a thread that is dedicated to any discussions about the Next Master of the Guild.

Please try to post your thoughts and opinions about the latest chapter and what you think will come in the following chapters in this thread.

Thanks!

Ghost0Ninja
July 08, 2011, 02:24 PM
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lordoffantasy
July 08, 2011, 03:19 PM
interesting spoilers. it seems zeref has had another life sucking magic attack. and it looks like zanrow was caught in it. oh dear, i think that guy is dead. looks like meredy and juvia were not enveloped in it, though.
wait, i have had an apifiney. is the reason why zeref is alive, and youthful, because of hsi inability to control that magic? does he continue on by abposrbing the life of other things.

sarutobi_sensei
July 08, 2011, 08:38 PM
Oh boy, judging from the spoilers, they really intend on fighting them. I only wish that Zeref gets there and he's the one to take down Hades.

Keino
July 08, 2011, 11:49 PM
Chapter 242 on mangastream (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/77915746/1)

kuroSaki_Ichi
July 09, 2011, 12:23 AM
nice. first time seeing zeref kill a human.

MonsterEnvy
July 09, 2011, 12:33 AM
I feal kind of robbed that a bridge was just dropped on Zancrow there

Mashiro_Luna
July 09, 2011, 12:48 AM
Yeah, Zancrow was my favorite Kin and he got killed just like that, but at least they finally killed someone outright too bad it wasn't a good guy.

Zeltrax
July 09, 2011, 12:53 AM
There we have it, on the last page of this chapter.
Our S-Class fairy tail cadets.


I kindda pity zancrow, I did find him a cool character and how sad, to be killed like a fodder :p

This chapter made me rethink about Ultear, and that she is evil afterall and last chapter is not much of a redemption.
Pretty sure that meredy will join because she have nowhere to go anymore but I don't think Ultear will join as she killed an entire town..

So this is the climax of this arc, as expected "team natsu" is the one that will take down hades but seeing how the arc went, there's no doubt who will win.
What I'm interested in is what Zeref is up to with Acknologia
is it something that will help fairy tail or something that will destroy them, if so, will zeref's actions lead to the next arc.

The situation now is like back in Edolas, I really hope that Mashima can do something special instead of just the entire gang spamming attacks at hades with natsu leading, please do something interesting about the fight, Mashima.
No sight of makarov, i bet he'll appear midway in the fight.


Highlight and depressing moment for a natsuxlisanna shipper like me was when Lisanna "entrusted" lucy with natsu.
No :crying lisanna should have went..but I understand.
Good chapter and natsu acknowledging the fact that he needs others to help him beat hades, instead of him taking hades straight on is a plus for me.
Now people will stop complaining about lack of natsu's character development
and him being full of himself, he's not now.

exacta
July 09, 2011, 01:19 AM
Mashima decided that he hasn't defecated on the Seven Kin enough yet even though they've already been utterly defeated, so he decided to bring Zancrow back for 7 pages, just so Zeref could kill him by saying one word. Mashima you sadistic antagonist-hating bastard. And now we have characters outright acknowledging that the main character gets stronger when his friends are around. Plus Grimoire Heart just lost Zeref, so all thats left for their invasion to be a complete 100% fail is for Hades to be defeated.

I really hope they don't beat Hades, but at this point, not at least somewhat expecting that would be stupid on my part. Just hope Mashima gets that over with already. I'm sure it'll be an entertaining fight at the very least. What happened to his badass helmet? I miss that lol.

I don't think Mashima will reveal the Zeref/Natsu mystery this arc, that seems like a big development that he'd probably want to save for much later in the series, though I may be wrong.

Disappointed in Fried and Bixlow too.....Bixlow has the potential to defeat Hades simply by looking at his eye, not to mention both are much stronger than most of the characters present, especially considering the others conditions. But they send Natsu, Erza who shouldn't be able to walk, Gray, Lucy and Wendy instead. Why do they need to use rune magic anyway??? At least send Bixlow, its not like he can use rune magic anyway.....:facepalm

Darjaille
July 09, 2011, 01:21 AM
I liked this chapter though it is absolutely as I predicted... No complaining, this is Fairy Tail, so I'm reconciled (?not sure about word) with the ending "Hades dead" till there's revealed at least something about Zeref-Lucy-Natsu-Slayers and the chapters aren't boring.
If Mashima planned different final villain, then Hades is going down. If he's FV, he's not going down. And I'm sure noone from present right now will die either, maybe if Gildartz (where the hell is he? !Erza! and !Gray! are standing there !) or Fried comes later there can be a loss. Anyway, Zeref will join Team Natsu as I see it, so that should be interesting.
I didn't like Zancrow and if Mashima didn't make him appear again, he would stay dead anyway, so.. Good Zeref <3
Now Lisanna entrusting Natsu to Lucy... I'm sure everyoone knows what that means:spaz :wtf Fairy Tail is the only one manga I ship somebody from leads in (I care), so better come it true :3

Lily was cute :amuse

So, what Mashima draws, that happens. I will just enjoy what it is as much as I can.

Keino
July 09, 2011, 01:55 AM
2 things I got from this chapter at first glance
1. Natsu is guaranteed to get a "nakama power up". I knew he was going to fight Hades just my the panels were his face was all serious and determined like. The last thing Lisana said on this page (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/77915746/6) was like the icing on the cake. :)
2. I'm certain Meredy is gonna join Fairy tail now. With the news that Ultear was just manipulating her, Fairy tail will be there to pick up the pieces and give a nakama speech and her heart will be moved and the rest will be history.

I think I' read it again to see if I missed anything.

oh yeah it was 3 things Acnologia ftw

Sevenheadedmirror
July 09, 2011, 01:57 AM
Chapter is out!! and Zancrow is back.... or not. Generally I say I'm a hard critique, but what can I do when poor writing is evident? Theoretically the job is done for me.

Kuzumikun
July 09, 2011, 02:15 AM
Finally the team is set! No argues with the teams hopefully the defense team won't run into trouble. Gasp someone died in Fairy Tail?! I can't wait for next chapter and I'm really eager to see;
-Lucy fight and how Zeref might know her
-How they will win against Hades (considering they will)
-If anyone will join Fairy Tail
this Arc had it's ups and downs but it's still my favorite one so far :]

MAX_COLA_POWER!
July 09, 2011, 02:19 AM
I guess Acnologia was a spur of the thing moment too, like his random energy bursts of death farts. Acnologia...does that mean a spell that erases all records of acknowledgements of your mind?, Including the acknowledgement of being alive? Scary..., I wonder, what did Zeref lad mean? If an age has to end, he might awaken once again? Anyway, on a lighter note, I like Lily more now^^. He has a thunder and lightning phobia just like I used to back in the day^^. Alright guys time for a game. Although we all know that Hades will get roflcurbstomped by Nakama power or Zeref Lad's ultimate mind rape ability that makes the Men in Black's pen look like a Kodak camera Acknoparameciazoanlogia, how powerful will Hiro make Hades look? We had a taste with Grimmjow, err, Grimoire law, so I'm gonna use an animé scale to compare, please don't change it I worked very hard with the little knowledge that I have. On a scale of, hmm, Kenpachi to..., hmm, Arceus. RATE YOUR OLD GUY! *you can use other anime character names to measure up between them 2*

Darjaille
July 09, 2011, 02:34 AM
I guess Acnologia was a spur of the thing moment too, like his random energy bursts of death farts. Acnologia...does that mean a spell that erases all records of acknowledgements of your mind?, Including the acknowledgement of being alive? Scary..., I wonder, what did Zeref lad mean? If an age has to end, he might awaken once again?

Hm, you may be onto something. Acnologia is maked-up as google doesn't know that word, but seems like Mest could know what it is, from his reaction. Now Mest's power is messing with your head and memories, and what is Dragonslayers' problem? They do not remember anything from past (with Zeref knowing Natsu and Natsu and Gajeel being older than 80).
Maybe Zeref made them forget to live normal lives and then he escaped onto Fairy Island.


Although we all know that Hades will get roflcurbstomped by Nakama power or Zeref Lad's ultimate mind rape ability that makes the Men in Black's pen look like a Kodak camera Acknoparameciazoanlogia, how powerful will Hiro make Hades look? We had a taste with Grimmjow, err, Grimoire law, so I'm gonna use an animé scale to compare, please don't change it I worked very hard with the little knowledge that I have. On a scale of, hmm, Kenpachi to..., hmm, Arceus. RATE YOUR OLD GUY! *you can use other anime character names to measure up between them 2*

I guess Aizen vs whole SS capt and vice + Vizards and and then Arrival of FGT Ichigo (awaken Zeref), Or Dragonforce Natsu xDDDD

kakashidad
July 09, 2011, 03:26 AM
Oh wow,Zancrow was back but ever so biefly lol.I guess that answer those that were upset and preplexed
as to his disappearance,after NATSU kicked his arse.Meredy finally had her eyes opened.And hopefully realize
that she had been duped by ULTEAR the whole time.And ZEREF makes it clear to all.That he's niether friend
or foe to any and all...does this mean that he's like for argument sake..Galactus?He's just there to sheppard
in a new era...which ever era that is?

I mean what's ''anco logia'' (spelling)about?And MEST was there watching from the sidelines...outstanding!
Then we have MASTER HADES hardly believing that his soldiers could have been beaten so comprehensively
by MAKAROV soldiers .And he had a tear coming from his one good eye...was that tears of joy or sorrow.I'll
go for the latter myself.I can hardly wait to see where this goes.

The Fairies have formed their team to face off with ''hades'' and it consist of two dragon slayers three exceeds
(one whom is scared of lighting, lol cute that.)EZRA and GRAY...no Gildartz no luxus just those that had to
overcome this rite of passage..It was not hard to see the title going this way in all honesty.

Now for the humor..and it's kind of lacking in this issue.So we have JUVIA pulling her faces again
and dragging her body other that rough terrain..that might be why she's pulling those werid faces
lol.And GAZZELE cat trembling from a storm lol.I thought it was dogs that was scared of that kind of weather?oh well.Great issue imo.I'm off for abit laters.
Peace.:D

RaveDragon
July 09, 2011, 03:36 AM
Mashima decided that he hasn't defecated on the Seven Kin enough yet even though they've already been utterly defeated, so he decided to bring Zancrow back for 7 pages, just so Zeref could kill him by saying one word. Mashima you sadistic antagonist-hating bastard. And now we have characters outright acknowledging that the main character gets stronger when his friends are around. Plus Grimoire Heart just lost Zeref, so all thats left for their invasion to be a complete 100% fail is for Hades to be defeated.


Maybe its to show how Natsu didnt really defeat Zancrow as he's still up and probably was just surprised showing how little hope they have to deafeat Hades since he's much stronger than Zancrow and moreover theyre tired out and he's fresh?


interesting spoilers. it seems zeref has had another life sucking magic attack. and it looks like zanrow was caught in it. oh dear, i think that guy is dead. looks like meredy and juvia were not enveloped in it, though.
wait, i have had an apifiney. is the reason why zeref is alive, and youthful, because of hsi inability to control that magic? does he continue on by abposrbing the life of other things.

This is very interesting, absorbing the life of others to remain alive himself without wanting to...a sad but workable idea =]



Highlight and depressing moment for a natsuxlisanna shipper like me was when Lisanna "entrusted" lucy with natsu.
No :crying lisanna should have went..but I understand.
Good chapter and natsu acknowledging the fact that he needs others to help him beat hades, instead of him taking hades straight on is a plus for me.
Now people will stop complaining about lack of natsu's character development
and him being full of himself, he's not now.

Do you know how badly I wanna tease you but I won't, it's funny though Mashaima is going for a love triangle...in a shonen...well he did it already as insignificant as it was so no surprise...its okay Zeltrax as much as i want to tease you instead im gonna say a very hard thing for a NaLu shipper...Nali will have its moments no worries!

Fries and Bixlow are the best for defense right now, and more importantly Natsu trusts his team more than team laxus and thus his rhythm wouldnt match with thiers because they are not used to each other while Team Natsu has been together for ages.
Natsu has grown though, he knows he needs teamwork to win this and he chose those closest whom he works best with. But im sorry to say Gray cant go on and Erza is in no fighting shape they might end up a hindrance :/

Lisanna and Lucy moment was sweet and cute I wonder what could develop from this =3 was Lucy blushing? awww...and then Juvia...lol

Okay now Im sure either Hades or Zeref (he's more probable) know Lucy from her mother most probably, why send someone as sorry to say as im a big fan..."weak" as her and wow her magic recovers really quickly XD

Anyone else wants to give Lily a big hug :wtf? also meredy welcome to FT, I dont think the council will have a problem since theyre asses shall be saved by FT and they will probably try to disband the guild and we know Ft will ignore that as much as they wont take it lightly, plus they might not know the exact members of GH so keeping it secret

Im liking Zeref more and more that face he gave Zancrow i dont think he's a bad chp but with his powers he wont be joining FT they might seal him off somewhere after getting closer to him or have to kill him :/ i think we just glimpsed a bit of Zeref true self in this chap and he aint no pushover :S still his words are pointing that he didnt live for a lot of time but he traveled to this age!

Edit: why did i think RUN HES GONNA KILL YOU? :-_- they cant hope to win against Hades unless they have some awesome strategy or Natsu goes full dragon

Ero-Sanji
July 09, 2011, 03:41 AM
This was a fun chapter...

Seriously, the only interesting thing in this arc is Zeref, everything else seem forced, out of place and very predictable.

Zancrow died, perhaps it's a sign of Mashima getting rid of a character with an hard power to further work with, anyhow, I guess him dying is good after all.

Finally, the half-dead younglings with next to zero magic power left are up against the man who dances with magic, oh I forgot, Lucy feels like her magic is almost replenished which is really interesting considering the fact that Gajeel hasn't even woken up yet. Imo, Makarov would curbstomp those kids any day of the week especially when they are in the state they currently are in. I mean Grimmoire law should be enough. Aw, well I'm not going to be too pessimistic and hopefully it will be an intense battle.

Sollum
July 09, 2011, 03:43 AM
Lily was so cool and cute this chapter!!!

"Exceed away!"

Yay!, at last! Someone died in this manga! Zancrow - The Fodder! Or maybe not, since when one of 7 kin dies, they vanish / turn into a tree. Maybe Zani is still alive, due to some passive ability he has, you know, one of the God Slayers perk.

I predict, that at the end of next chapter, Hades will get major hit from Zeref.

Edit: Or maybe Acnologia is spell, that strips away targets magical powers and gives it to the caster? Zani didn't vanish / burn away, like the rest of "about to die" or "dead" 7 kin. Imagine Zeref and Natsu combo a.k.a. Supa Faja Teamo!

kakashidad
July 09, 2011, 03:50 AM
@Zeltrax
Yes this ''Acknologia'' is quite interesting to me also.I've a feeling that it's a time jutsu/magic.Seeing as Zeref states
that it's not the right era or something?I've a feeling he just shows up when an era is about to end?

Still i did not care much for Zancrow tbh.I thought if ever there was a hyped charactor it was him.But he had classic
villain tendancy imo.He fought he was unbeatable,he ran when beaten,and he tried to curry favor with hades IF he
could of got zeref back to HADES.Still he had his insightful moment when telling meredy she was a prat!And that her
master ultear was the one to destroy her town/village.Somewhat of the same lie hades told ultear no?

As for what lisanna said to lucy..cheer up.It was only to say that Natsu strenght is more potent when he has
someone to look out for.There may still be a chance for your dreams lmao.And now we know just who will be
the S-class winner or candidate is going to be...Natzu Gray Lucy or Wendy...One of fairy tails strongest team gets it.End of...I'm going for Gray here.Ahead of wendy lol.

RaveDragon
July 09, 2011, 04:00 AM
^But Lucy and wendy arent really participating are they? and Cana got FG technically she was the one that finished the exam no?
But tbh i dont think theyll be an sclass if the council decides FT will be disbanded which they already alluded to a few chapter ago...

IMO Its Cana though or if not well a surprise and shocking character then...Gray however would sooo tease Natsu forever if he got it =]

Aknologia was interesting but we didnt get much of it although mest knows it so could Zeref have been in the council a long time ago? but he was a guild master...still he could be both i think.

I can see Zeref vs hades helping Team natsu because of someone in that team but then he losses it because someone awakened him, the key is on the island like Ultear said that manipulative woman! she was such a good villian maybe she still is :S maybe she apologizes later who knows anyway and then disaster ensues until natsu finally understands thanks to his nakama, i really think Lucy is going to end up in a mess now that i think about it she will stay close to natsu and that cant bring much good with Zeref and hades, and realizes he still has a long way to go. hades is beaten however and Zeref goes back to his dark guild so he can be the last villian.

kakashidad
July 09, 2011, 04:22 AM
^But Lucy and wendy arent really participating are they? and Cana got FG technically she was the one that finished the exam no?

''To the best of my understanding they were part of the exam,hence them been on the island.They had partners...well maybe lucy was cana partner but wendy is i'm unsure now lol.I'll go check''.

But tbh i dont think theyll be an sclass if the council decides FT will be disbanded which they already alluded to a few chapter ago...

''I don't think you have to worry about that yet.The exam takes presidanced (spelling)''.
IMO Its Cana though or if not well a surprise and shocking character then...Gray however would sooo tease Natsu forever if he got it =]

''It's gonna be one of those shown on the last page..you can count out ezra as she was ''part of the tester''.

Aknologia was interesting but we didnt get much of it although mest knows it so could Zeref have been in the council a long time ago? but he was a guild master...still he could be both i think.

''Having read someone elses post.I'm inclined to think that maybe it's has something to do with memory lost..but it has
to be much more than that,to kill someone imo.I liked the angle of time that was attached to that passage''.

I can see Zeref vs hades helping Team natsu because of someone in that team but then he losses it because someone awakened him, the key is on the island like Ultear said that manipulative woman! she was such a good villian maybe she still is :S maybe she apologizes later who knows anyway and then disaster ensues until natsu finally understands thanks to his nakama, i really think Lucy is going to end up in a mess now that i think about it she will stay close to natsu and that cant bring much good with Zeref and hades, and realizes he still has a long way to go. hades is beaten however and Zeref goes back to his dark guild so he can be the last villian.

I don't see that myself.I tend to keep it simple.That way i'm rarely dissappointed by the outcome.It will imo be.
A TEAM effort.We've already see the hint when ezra gets to GRAY.And he says ''i always need saving'' then we
see Natsu say the say dito if you catch my drift...thanks for the reply it's rare in here lol.

Man i'm not getting the hang on this muti quote thing...oh well.

RaveDragon
July 09, 2011, 04:50 AM
I don't see that myself.I tend to keep it simple.That way i'm rarely dissappointed by the outcome.It will imo be.A TEAM effort.
We've already see the hint when ezra gets to GRAY.And he says ''i always need saving'' then we see Natsu say the say dito
if you catch my drift...thanks for the reply it's rare in here lol.

Man i'm not getting the hang on this muti quote thing...oh well.

Lol i know what you mean on the multiquote, its just that Mashima like to be dramatic so i guess they will ALL do some really cool move on Hades to send him KO but Zeref might be the initiator who helps out until he awakens?

Meh i still make up so many theoreas many of which are extravagant but im never disappointed in what i read in FT its always so ...unique i dnt mind if im wrong...call me simple i just go with the flow but keep having fun with what im given cuz tbh Mashima's writing makes sense to me =] and welcome xD (a little of topic)i know what you mean, many of us are ignored and people just rant when if you actually read what theyre saying its quite cool sometimes and others they just flame (done)

I just hope they have a good plan because Gray needs support, Erza is not in very good condition, they are all tired but Wendy's support should be helpful still the only one who we know recovered mostly is Lucy...way too fast imo...and natsu is Natsu he'll be fine ^^

Uriel
July 09, 2011, 05:08 AM
This is becoming interesting again! I wonder what Acnologia is. Latin could be used for this, since it resembles quite much. Logia means knowledge, but acno makes me doubtful. Could be resembling Abdo (Hiding) and it would be the Knowledge of Hiding... Seems too much thinking if it's related to hide the life or the magic of someone, therefore all things dying when He's close to them.

OR it's more English related (Japan Shounen always uses some) and it's related to Acknowledge. Again, too little hints to try to make a good theory or an assumption.

So far we know it's important and it causes damage.

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Darjaille
July 09, 2011, 05:23 AM
the only one who we know recovered mostly is Lucy...way too fast imo...and natsu is Natsu he'll be fine ^^

lol secret resources of power that are sealed away thus recovering faster :D :D oh my goodness, there's so much theories about x777 (zeref, layla, dragonslayers) on my mind I see things everywhere :D

kakashidad
July 09, 2011, 05:30 AM
Lol i know what you mean on the multiquote, its just that Mashima like to be dramatic so i guess they will ALL do some really cool move on Hades to send him KO but Zeref might be the initiator who helps out until he awakens?

Meh i still make up so many theoreas many of which are extravagant but im never disappointed in what i read in FT its always so ...unique i dnt mind if im wrong...call me simple i just go with the flow but keep having fun with what im given cuz tbh Mashima's writing makes sense to me =] and welcome xD (a little of topic)i know what you mean, many of us are ignored and people just rant when if you actually read what theyre saying its quite cool sometimes and others they just flame (done)

I just hope they have a good plan because Gray needs support, Erza is not in very good condition, they are all tired but Wendy's support should be helpful still the only one who we know recovered mostly is Lucy...way too fast imo...and natsu is Natsu he'll be fine ^^

Finally found the issue i was looking for..here it is http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Fairy_Tail/201/16
we see who's the candidate's and who the partners are...both lucy and Wendy are partners to Jjuiva and Cana.I'm
sticking with Gray here even though natsu my favorite charactor...off topic this bit.

Remember the vison charlie had about the hand?and everyone and there mom was guessing who's hand was it?
Makarov stands a good chance you know?He's the only member that seems like there close to death imo.A longshot
would be GILDARTZ,since we saw CANA crying her eyes out?It's still a jigsaw but them's my guesses.

Oh, the ranting and flamin i just ignore tbh lol.

Darjaille
July 09, 2011, 05:36 AM
Remember the vison charlie had about the hand?and everyone and there mom was guessing who's hand was it?
Makarov stands a good chance you know?He's the only member that seems like there close to death imo.A longshot
would be GILDARTZ,since we saw CANA crying her eyes out?It's still a jigsaw but them's my guesses.

Oh, the ranting and flamin i just ignore tbh lol.

Well, we've seen crying cana when she realized what had she done and gained glitter. About hand, it was also explained, it was Lucy's hand when Cana cnocked her out. The only thing now left I think is crying Natsu (I wonder what could happen that he isn't RAGING but crying o_o)

Lol I see there are more people that hate flaming :D I never engage in quarrels :D

RaveDragon
July 09, 2011, 05:42 AM
Finally found the issue i was looking for..here it is http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Fairy_Tail/201/16
we see who's the candidate's and who the partners are...both lucy and Wendy are partners to Jjuiva and Cana.I'm sticking with
Gray here even though natsu my favorite charactor...off topic this bit.

Remember the vison charlie had about the hand?and everyone and there mom was guessing who's hand was it?
Makarov stands a good chance you know?He's the only member that seems like there close to death imo.A longshot
would be GILDARTZ,since we saw CANA crying her eyes out?It's still a jigsaw but them's my guesses.

Oh, the ranting and flamin i just ignore tbh lol.

actually we all concluded the hand was Lucy's in that moment Cana left her ^^ and wendy was mest's partner ^^
Well we have seen how zancrow was like tossed and actually killed in this chapter so a killing for FT is not that impossible and who worst than the master...im ashamed to say i will probably cry if he really does die D=

all there are of the vision is Natsu crying cuxz when he cried with Gil it was too different
this is vision;
http://www.mangareader.net/135-57514-18/fairy-tail/chapter-201.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-57514-19/fairy-tail/chapter-201.html

these are happenings;
natsu crying; clearly too different as Natsu in the prediction was looking at something (i presume a fallen comrade who prob defended him)
http://www.mangareader.net/135-58237-20/fairy-tail/chapter-206.html

the hand;
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/225/19

Zeref angry
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/220/24

Cana crying;
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/232/14

there is also the mysterious boy who we dont know much about ^^


ol secret resources of power that are sealed away thus recovering faster oh my goodness, there's so much theories about x777 (zeref, layla, dragonslayers) on my mind I see things everywhere

I can see her mother being involved in some way, Lucy def has potential as a mage we've seen Urano metoria she just needs more spells then she wouldnt be that weak, lol sealed power resources i wouldnt be shocked tbh, would explain some stuff...

LoS
July 09, 2011, 05:46 AM
It's nearly 6am and I don't really feel like criticizing the chapter after a long night out, but....

when will Mashima learn to start a chapter off right? This is a few chapters in a row where the first few pages add nothing, this chapter the first 7 pages could have easily been condensed into 3... I get that you are trying to include some lolz moments and fan service, but this is the climax of the arc, just give it a rest. It isn't supposed to be all light and happy, it's dark times, but you are ruining it.

And I won't even get started on how childish everything has become, and how ever piece of the puzzle just so happens to fit into place for Fairy Tail. I await the responses of the other members before I give my own, a new take...

sarutobi_sensei
July 09, 2011, 05:55 AM
Haha Lily was cute, holding his ears and being like: I hatez them thunderz.

Loved Lisanna's comment :)

So Zancrow appeared again and got oneshoted. There's no doubt that Meredy will join FT now since she doesn't have anywhere to go to and Urtear was manipulating her all the time.

Acnologia, I wonder what it is, is it just like his random killing waves? Or something else?

I also found his comment, about when an age ends he can awake and then we have Hades saying, Third Fairy Tail. I mean, he could just be saying that so that it symbolizes the 3rd Master of Fairy Tail, Makarov, or he could be saying exactly what I think he's saying, that this is the 3rd Reincarnation of Fairy Tail. It goes with Zeref's comment on age's ending.

Loving Wendy's outfit, she looks really cute in that.

How the hell is Gray going to fight in that state. Not to mention Erza?

So Mest is still around, he'll be the one to help Juvia and Meredy then x)

Also I still love Juvia's pose XD GIVE ZEREF TO ME!!!!! while crawling like some monster xD

Next chapter will be insteresting for sure.

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July 09, 2011, 06:14 AM
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On topic,

Not much to say about this chapter... felt it was kinda a transition chapter.

My only thought about "Acnologia" is that it may be the name of the world of great magic, they keep referring too.

Also I knew Zancrow was going to come back... cause like I mentioned back when he lost to Natsu, he didn't have the blank look in his eyes... that usually occur once a bad guy is defeated.

The big question I have is... how come Ultear did not fall victim to whatever Zeref just did to Zancrow?

RaveDragon
July 09, 2011, 06:57 AM
The big question I have is... how come Ultear did not fall victim to whatever Zeref just did to Zancrow?

I think Zeref is actually a nice guy and its only because he got angry with Zancrow for what he said and lost control. Ultear magic doesnt need her to be (the ime magic) in close quaters to her enemy so she must have stayed at a protective distance and knocked him out like she had done to Natsu, probably Zeref also was managing to remain in control but no lost it.

Also someone mentioned Zeref got GH but thats just to take out FL i dont think its serves another purpose.

Edit i see sad times coming imo Hades cant possibly lose and if he does its because of old age not FT, or maybe we're hyping him up to much he is an old man like Makarov so this might be his weakness against a no of kids as tired as they are...Natsu and Lucy plus Wendy have rested so...maybe there is a teeny tiny light of hope.

I say we get a fight next chap FT pummeled and in the last page or so Zeref makes his grand entrance and might or might no spot Lucy like someone mentioned before frankly now i feel its best to wait and see.

Sky
July 09, 2011, 06:57 AM
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On topic,

Not much to say about this chapter... felt it was kinda a transition chapter.

My only thought about "Acnologia" is that it may be the name of the world of great magic, they keep referring too.

Also I knew Zancrow was going to come back... cause like I mentioned back when he lost to Natsu, he didn't have the blank look in his eyes... that usually occur once a bad guy is defeated.

The big question I have is... how come Ultear did not fall victim to whatever Zeref just did to Zancrow?

I guess he was unconcious the whole time.

Seems like the most here were right with there prediction for Meredy. I don't mind. Another cute girl besides Wendy then.

Now the fight with Hades will start. I hope FT will be toyed with because no one there should be a lot stornger than Hades.
Besides hades could just oneshot them.

ErosVp
July 09, 2011, 07:01 AM
Poor zancrow! He came back for a few pages just to be killed! hahahaha

It really looks like Meredy will join. I think they will say she was the youngest member of GH and the concil didn't have info on her, etc... I was thinking maybe Ultear was the one who killed her town, but was surprised to see it come true. But with Natsu, Lucy, Gray, Erza, Gajeel, Wendy and now probably Meredy, this team is increasing exagerately....

Come to thing of it, Gajeel is the only one missing in this fight... I still hope they won't win but knowing how Mashima works that is pretty much impossible. Good transition chapter overall

jacke12
July 09, 2011, 07:21 AM
No Mashima why the heck did you make Lisanna say that to Lucy , you gave hope to the NaLu fans:mad:nerve

Kauia
July 09, 2011, 07:22 AM
I love the chapter! :D Lily was so cuuuuuuuuute! Seeing him covering his ears like that was so adorable. Lisanna Lucy moment was so cute!! It sure felt like a sister bond between them. I sooooo can't wait for the Nalu moments that'll take place in that fight.

Gray and Erza might not fight that much seeing how injured they are. Natsu might be the one to fight Hades and the others are there as bystanders. Or it could be a team fight where everyone has their own roles to play. Natsu, Lucy, Happy and Wendy are the ones who's in full strenght. Erza and Gray's a little tired but I don't think its enough to stop them from having the strenght needed to fight Hades. I'd say their injuries when they get hit will be the time where they won't be able to do that much help. Who knows, maybe Lucy would pull out an incredible magic like Urano metoria though I do hope for a much baddass spell. Or Makarov might come to a scene when Team Natsu close to being defeated. Natsu's going to get killed and Makarov butts in and takes the blow for Natsu. Hence, the crying face Natsu might finally happen.

I wonder what part Zeref would have to play in that fight? There'll probably revelations about the source of magic which everyone's dying to know. A clue of the dragons' disappearance, Layla, the year 777 perhaps.

The next chapter doesn't seem like a fight scene. It could be a bit of a fight with inputs about Hades past while he was traveling or while he was the second master of fairy tail. It could be the things he regretted doing or things that he found out like how he came to a conclusion that the world is a twisted reality.

I'm thinking that Hades might not be the last fight in the arc. I feel that if Zeref awakens, everything would go crazy. He could change personalities like Brain did. Zeref could have an alter self that may represent a real mastermind.

RaveDragon
July 09, 2011, 07:28 AM
No Mashima why the heck did you make Lisanna say that to Lucy , you gave hope to the NaLu fans

As a Nalu AND a nali supporter (ie i belive if not Nalu then nali should happen )please dont be rude :-_- Thank you =P

Anyway i remembered that comment Zeref said about not being of this age and sounding like he time traveled, that boy we saw at the end of that chapter might actually be a young Zeref who wasnt a bad guy yet and will come to help FT when his older self awakens as a bad guy.

Newkerzy
July 09, 2011, 07:31 AM
I also found his comment, about when an age ends he can awake and then we have Hades saying, Third Fairy Tail. I mean, he could just be saying that so that it symbolizes the 3rd Master of Fairy Tail, Makarov, or he could be saying exactly what I think he's saying, that this is the 3rd Reincarnation of Fairy Tail. It goes with Zeref's comment on age's ending.


I believe it's the former. Makarov is the 3rd (Sandaime) Master. Sandaime literally means the 3rd generation. So, if say, Mira becomes the 4th (Yondaime) Fairy Tail Master, the guild members that joined during Mira's rule, would be called the 4th Generation FT members. So, in other words, Natsu & co. are the 3rd generation members.

wooticus
July 09, 2011, 07:35 AM
well.. nice comeback @ zancrow

not much to say about this chapter either. acknowlogia seems interesting, we'll get to hear more about that. so i guess mest will take zeref and teleport him to the council's prison. so as i thought earlier next arc will be the "fairy tail vs council" arc in which they break into the prison to free gerard and zeref just to get disbanded and made dark guild. this will be the transition into the fourth fairy tail... maybe led by laxus or whoever.

well in the hades fight wendy will have a greater role i guess.. she didn't do much yet in this arc. poor gajeel, missing out a dragon slayer fight. lucy will also have a major role. i bet she will summon caprico who will use his magic to weaken hades. can't see any other outcome yet.

another thing that came to my mind lately...did makarov know that fairy tail is protected by some magic on this island? because if that's so, why did he stop using fairy law at the beginning.. hades counter grimoire law wouldn't have killed anyone of FT...

1337 haxor
July 09, 2011, 08:15 AM
I will highlight the important parts of this chapter.

http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/n/a/natsuplz.jpg?3http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifLEEEEEEEROY JENKINS!!!

Meanwhile...

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http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110614165561/common/avatars/thumb/7/78/3404821.png/48px-3404821.pnghttp://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifShe saved me and she can change time and save my town and my family!
http://www.brazilmanga.xpg.com.br/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1198/e78c8c1ee04378b625009deceb1ae770-bpthumb.jpghttp://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifYeah but have she told u it was she who killed them in the first place.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110614165561/common/avatars/thumb/7/78/3404821.png/48px-3404821.pnghttp://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifhttp://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu167/ciprusm/Meme/pokerface.gif
http://www.brazilmanga.xpg.com.br/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1198/e78c8c1ee04378b625009deceb1ae770-bpthumb.jpghttp://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifhttp://forum.paticik.com/thumbnails/2a4/987/798/8f6/43d/85d/4c2/d8f/86e/d25/60_450xNULL.pngProblem?
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/j/u/juvialoxarplz.jpg?2http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifTROLLZ!!!
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/z/e/zerefplz.jpg?1http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifEmergency activation code positive! Activating beserk mode in 3... 2... 1...
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/e/x/explosionplz.jpg?1
http://www.brazilmanga.xpg.com.br/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1198/e78c8c1ee04378b625009deceb1ae770-bpthumb.jpghttp://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifhttp://a.deviantart.net/avatars/i/m/imdeadplz.gif
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/z/e/zerefplz.jpg?1http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifAw great! More bodies to clean up later...

Back to the main front...

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/quiz/529000/529145_1295758210715_50.jpg?v=1295758293http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifMy guild, whose magic was the strongest and who represented the top axis of the three great dark guilds went down with not a single kill?
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/195272_100002344282782_2630625_q.jpghttp://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifhttp://forum.paticik.com/thumbnails/2a4/987/798/8f6/43d/85d/4c2/d8f/86e/d25/60_450xNULL.pngProblem?
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/z/e/zerefplz.jpg?1http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/a/saysplz.gifAnd here we go again...

Rarhyx
July 09, 2011, 08:39 AM
2 things I like in this chapter:
ZEREF IS BACK IN DA HOUSE B*****S
and the last page looks awesome

only reasons why i'm still reading FT is I like Mashima's drawing style, but in storywise he loses with this manga somehow(except what happened with dragons and zeref) :/
I mean come on FT is only winning that somehow suxs very much

ShoobyDooBop
July 09, 2011, 09:31 AM
I dont mind that the usual Team is going to fight the main villain since most of the other FT members had their fair share of time in this arc. But the reasoning why powerhouses like Fried and Bixlow are not going is ridiculous xD

Lucy: But shouldn't someone with actual magic go ?
Fried: Random BS reason why someone actualy strong can't be a part of the weekly Big Boss elimination team.

And might I add that Fried and Bixlow are the most ''fresh'' FT memebers and are probably capable of fighting with their full strenght, unlike our main guys who can even barely stand (but we all know that wont matter when the start fights anyway :O).

Zancrow, of all people, is the first one to die? D: It's easy for Mashima to kill a bad guy e?
That whole revelation about Ultear/Meredy came out of nowhere.No build up, set up, drama or emotion behind it. It was just shoved down our faces. Though I like how the tension was handled this chapter.

I only hope that Lisana didn't foreshadow the greatest nakama power up ever D:
Speaking of Lisanna, she just came back from being dead, was kicked out of the exam almost instantly, and has not done one thing during this whole conflict and now, at the last possible opportunity, she stays behind (I know she's weak and wouldnt do much, but still).

Leonsagara
July 09, 2011, 09:45 AM
At least it's implied that Fried might follow after he sets up protective runes around the injured. Realistically shouldn't take him too long, based on what we saw of his speed and skill with that during the Fairy Tail war arc. Acnologia seems to be some sort of spell that allows Zeref to draw in the life force of others to heal himself. I want to know what Mest knows about it. Curious to see how our usual team fares against Hades. Should be an interesting battle.

ErosVp
July 09, 2011, 12:03 PM
I think when Lisanna said that to Lucy she meant just as a comrade.... I don't really care for pairings, but Natsu can stay with his childhood friend (like every manga does) and Lucy! Let Natsu heve two women, he will be even more badass!

luffyg2
July 09, 2011, 01:40 PM
Hades defeated Makarov so easily that I really can't see how Fairy Tail will manage to defeat him... they probably could have done it with a Gildzart - Erza - Makarov tag team... well anyway I'm sure Natsu will win the fight somehow.. For me the most interesting part of the chapter was Zeref, I really want to know more about him

ILikeSleeping
July 09, 2011, 02:24 PM
I liked this chapter despite the fact that a weary and weakened Team Natsu is probably going to kick Hades, a man who wtf pwned Makarov (With Makarov himself probably able to take on practically every single person in his guild), in the ass...

Can't say that I'm liking how the fight is being set up, but nonetheless, I am still looking forward to what is sure to be an intense battle. If there are going to be a nakama powerups all the way through, then so be it. As long as someone's ass is being kicked and the people doing the kicking look awesome while doing it, I'll be happy.

1337 haxor
July 09, 2011, 02:44 PM
I liked this chapter despite the fact that a weary and weakened Team Natsu is probably going to kick Hades, a man who wtf pwned Makarov (With Makarov himself probably able to take on practically every single person in his guild), in the ass...

Can't say that I'm liking how the fight is being set up, but nonetheless, I am still looking forward to what is sure to be an intense battle. If there are going to be a nakama powerups all the way through, then so be it. As long as someone's ass is being kicked and the people doing the kicking look awesome while doing it, I'll be happy.

I can't see friendship beating Hades, much less once he tells them that he was part of Fairy Tail.

The only possible outcome is that one of the characters will unleash a massive beserk powerup and defeat him.

Atobe the king
July 09, 2011, 04:38 PM
I'm pretty sure zeref.....especially now that he's loose, will have a hand in this, or maybe the counsel? who knows it won't be just FT.

sadly the criticism thread, nor ghosts warnings seem to have helped make it fun to discuss around here :( were things this bad throughout the whole series i wonder...

exacta
July 09, 2011, 05:44 PM
Just noiced that Romeo and Zeref kind've have a similiar appearance......not sure if thats a coincidence or if it actually could mean something.

Zeltrax
July 09, 2011, 08:08 PM
How about in the future Romeo starts learning magic and wanting to become a magician.
Natsu will take him in as a "disciple" and start teaching him things.
Mashima could do the generation thing like Kishi did and romeo is the fourth fairy tail
and he resembles zeref, so carrying on his "will".
Sorry to sound corny.

About acnologia, I believe it to be a time related spell too.

Kauia
July 09, 2011, 10:24 PM
Hate to say this but if Romeo wanted to learn how to become a mage, wouldn't he approach his father, Macao first? Besides, how exactly is Natsu going to teach Romeo since the magic Natsu knows which is a lost magic, dragon slayer magic, something that can't just be taught to others. I really can't see Natsu as the type to take a disciple but Gray or Erza is more possible candidate for those things. But then again who knows. If I see Natsu become a teacher it sure feels like his disciple would be the one taking care of Natsu. Romeo being a fourth fairy tail generation is possible. I was thinking of an alternate future where Romeo could be there and the reality there is different.

swordsaintscoot
July 10, 2011, 02:25 AM
I loved this chapter.

I didn't expect Zancrow.

I didn't expect Meredy's backstory.

I didn't expect anything that Zeref did. Notice how he's like...completely fine again? He's not even injured after that exhausting fight for Ultear.

I didn't expect Natsu to think he needed help.

Krono
July 10, 2011, 02:31 AM
Fried: Random BS reason why someone actualy strong can't be a part of the weekly Big Boss elimination team.

"I need to sent up traps capable of obliterating pretty much anyone or anything that tries to hurt the wounded." is a random BS reason?

Seriously, Fried is much stronger on defense with time to prepare than he is on offense. They can leave him on the defense side so he can set up a barrier that deprives anyone from Grimmoire Heart inside it of their magic, or suffocates them if they do use it. Alternatively they can take him with them, and have him do about as well as he did against Rusty Rose - a fight which hinged on Elfman regaining consciousness long enough for Bixlow to use him as a doll and interrupt RR's finishing attack and give them time to counter with a killing blow before he could recover.


Zancrow, of all people, is the first one to die? D: It's easy for Mashima to kill a bad guy e?

Poor (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v12/c097/14.html), poor (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v12/c097/18.html), Simon. (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v12/c099/9.html) Everyone forgets him. Zoldeo (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v25/c224/16.html) isn't too happy either, but he's not really worth wasting pity on.


That whole revelation about Ultear/Meredy came out of nowhere.No build up, set up, drama or emotion behind it. It was just shoved down our faces. Though I like how the tension was handled this chapter.

What exactly would you expect in the way of build up or drama? It was already apparent to the reader from the flashback of Meredy joining GH that they'd murdered everyone in her home town while searching for keys to Zeref's seal. Nor was Zancrow trying for dragged out mental torture of Meredy, he was just taunting her devotion to Ultear before killing her. Then Zeref woke up.

Ifrit
July 10, 2011, 04:00 AM
Oh boy, judging from the spoilers, they really intend on fighting them. I only wish that Zeref gets there and he's the one to take down Hades.

I'm 100 % Sure that what will happen. which I wanted from the first place. I think HADES will play with them next chapter be4 Zeref come and beat the crap out of HADES...then Natsu Vs Zeref ( I'm sure Lucy gonna help Natsu defeat Zeref )

RaveDragon
July 10, 2011, 08:38 AM
I'm pretty sure zeref.....especially now that he's loose, will have a hand in this, or maybe the counsel? who knows it won't be just FT.

sadly the criticism thread, nor ghosts warnings seem to have helped make it fun to discuss around here :( were things this bad throughout the whole series i wonder...

The council wants FT 'dead' I dont think theyll mind hades taking it in his hands...after all they didnt mind firing the big bad Etherion onto the island did they? no Zeref is probably going to do something...the good zeref who obviously is going to be awakened after all what best than him for antagonist and revealing of some mysteries?


Just noiced that Romeo and Zeref kind've have a similiar appearance......not sure if thats a coincidence or if it actually could mean something.

it could point out Zeref had something to do with FT if Romeo and Macao family were actually in the guild for a long time and Z was one of its members :/ it could also mean nothing...


Hate to say this but if Romeo wanted to learn how to become a mage, wouldn't he approach his father, Macao first? Besides, how exactly is Natsu going to teach Romeo since the magic Natsu knows which is a lost magic, dragon slayer magic, something that can't just be taught to others. I really can't see Natsu as the type to take a disciple but Gray or Erza is more possible candidate for those things. But then again who knows. If I see Natsu become a teacher it sure feels like his disciple would be the one taking care of Natsu. Romeo being a fourth fairy tail generation is possible. I was thinking of an alternate future where Romeo could be there and the reality there is different.

Romeo is thankful of Natsu for helping his dad but i think you are right for him his father is his idol but Natsu is like a brother. Maybe an older Natsu would be more similar to Gildartz i can see him like that and taking on disciples but i don think anyone but a dragon can or is allowed to teach DS magic =S


Poor, poor, Simon. Everyone forgets him. Zoldeo isn't too happy either, but he's not really worth wasting pity on.


we shouldnt forget Racer whom also died in the manga and Asuma...unless he lives in the plants now. so Mashima actually killed quite some characters see; http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Deceased?display=exhibition&sort=alphabetical

I agree with Krono best for defense would be Fried and Levy...Lucy would be useless so might as well support Natsu who pffft defense? Him? lol, Erza and Gray? Erza could do it Gray should be put in BED! I love him and all but he's totally banged up :/ but then theyre team Natsu so together they can do something, Wendy is there so she can heal erza and Gray everything is actually workable =]

I see Juvia taking Meredy to the camp too =D

Rarhyx
July 10, 2011, 08:51 AM
I wonder what zerefs means "I had no reason to come to this age."

oh and i think zeref will wtfpwn hades. except there will be another natsupwnseverybody-asspull

Atobe the king
July 10, 2011, 10:37 AM
I'm 100 % Sure that what will happen. which I wanted from the first place. I think HADES will play with them next chapter be4 Zeref come and beat the crap out of HADES...then Natsu Vs Zeref ( I'm sure Lucy gonna help Natsu defeat Zeref )

That last part isn't going to happen,i would actually be a bit irritated if natsu and lucy with the trials and the all the beatings/ass kickings they dished out were able to beat zeref lol.

DEATHBOTT
July 10, 2011, 12:48 PM
how did ultear beat zeref he should have been able to one shot her. you can't age that shit.

Sollum
July 10, 2011, 01:58 PM
how did ultear beat zeref he should have been able to one shot her. you can't age that shit.

Apparently she can jump well, from what we saw, so i guess she just jumped away every time.

P.S. I can totally see Azuma getting back to human form with help of Polushka

Krono
July 10, 2011, 04:41 PM
we shouldnt forget Racer whom also died in the manga and Asuma...unless he lives in the plants now. so Mashima actually killed quite some characters see; http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Deceased?display=exhibition&sort=alphabetical

And that's not even getting into characters like Midnight and Ikaruga who were last seen laying motionless in a pool of their own blood in places that were destroyed shortly thereafter with no known conscious allies around to drag them to safety.

exacta
July 10, 2011, 06:58 PM
And that's not even getting into characters like Midnight and Ikaruga who were last seen laying motionless in a pool of their own blood in places that were destroyed shortly thereafter with no known conscious allies around to drag them to safety.

In the anime Racer survived but the anime isn't canon. But I believed it was stated that the Magic Council arrested all of the members of Oracion Seis.

eefrit
July 10, 2011, 07:08 PM
A simple transition chapter, so it was alright. Natsu and the gang are predictably up and about, so we know what is next. Zancrow brushed off Natsu's attack and was also up and about. It seems that Hades entrusted Zancrow with the retrieval of Zeref as he knows of Ultear's planned betrayal. We also see more of Zancrow's pride in his guild, despite his willingness to attack his comrades. To bad it is short lived when he, as others have said, had a bridge dropped on him. Rather freaking stupidly I might add. But whatever. Now for the final battle. Hades vs the main fighters of Fairy Tail. I honestly see no possible way for them to win against a fresh and clean Hades. Suffice to say the outcome of this battle will decide whether or not continuing Fairy Tail will become a chore for me or not.

ShoobyDooBop
July 11, 2011, 12:30 AM
"I need to sent up traps capable of obliterating pretty much anyone or anything that tries to hurt the wounded." is a random BS reason?

Seriously, Fried is much stronger on defense with time to prepare than he is on offense. They can leave him on the defense side so he can set up a barrier that deprives anyone from Grimmoire Heart inside it of their magic, or suffocates them if they do use it. Alternatively they can take him with them, and have him do about as well as he did against Rusty Rose - a fight which hinged on Elfman regaining consciousness long enough for Bixlow to use him as a doll and interrupt RR's finishing attack and give them time to counter with a killing blow before he could recover.



Poor (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v12/c097/14.html), poor (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v12/c097/18.html), Simon. (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v12/c099/9.html) Everyone forgets him. Zoldeo (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v25/c224/16.html) isn't too happy either, but he's not really worth wasting pity on.



What exactly would you expect in the way of build up or drama? It was already apparent to the reader from the flashback of Meredy joining GH that they'd murdered everyone in her home town while searching for keys to Zeref's seal. Nor was Zancrow trying for dragged out mental torture of Meredy, he was just taunting her devotion to Ultear before killing her. Then Zeref woke up.

Yeah, that's BS. They do know that Hades is the only one left and they'll still do that? Even if they did, what's the point? Afraid of the council? Heck, that Lahar is also a rune user and according to Gray his runes are much stronger and I assume he can rewrite Fried's runes as well.


Ah, yeah. I forgot about Simon and Zoldeo and there's Racer but the anime made him survive so I ain't sure about him. But still, the way Zanrcow died is lame.


Well, you're right about the third part.

Ifrit
July 11, 2011, 04:28 AM
That last part isn't going to happen,i would actually be a bit irritated if natsu and lucy with the trials and the all the beatings/ass kickings they dished out were able to beat zeref lol.

But didn't Zeref himself said Only natsu can kill me ?

ca12nag3
July 11, 2011, 07:12 AM
But didn't Zeref himself said Only natsu can kill me ?

Actualy it was more on the line of *you still cant kill me?* so he should be but he cant. Not that he is the only one.

Krono
July 11, 2011, 11:54 AM
In the anime Racer survived but the anime isn't canon. But I believed it was stated that the Magic Council arrested all of the members of Oracion Seis.

Wouldn't surprise me. I was just pointing out that there are several others that are in something of a limbo until Mashima says or shows otherwise.


Yeah, that's BS. They do know that Hades is the only one left and they'll still do that? Even if they did, what's the point? Afraid of the council? Heck, that Lahar is also a rune user and according to Gray his runes are much stronger and I assume he can rewrite Fried's runes as well.

No they don't know that Hades is the only one left. Grimmoire Heart seems to have some ability to keep track of who on their side has been defeated, but Fairy Tail does not. The group at the medical tent has no idea what's become of Meredy, Azuma, or Ultear, though they can probably guess that Blue Note has been defeated. They know that Rusty Rose, Caprico, Kain, and Zancrow were defeated, but they don't have any way to be sure that Zancrow or Kain won't recover and be of further threat.

Then there's the masses of fodder they dropped on the island at the start. They don't know for sure if all of them were defeated and/or unsummoned or if there are still some left. They probably don't know what became of the unsummoned ones when Zoldeo melted.

Case in point, after they've made their decision as to who does what, we find out that Zancrow's up and about. Suppose that instead of encountering Meredy and Zeref, he'd encountered the FT camp, after everyone but Lisanna and Levy had left to fight Hades. They likely wouldn't be a match for him, then Mirajane, Elfman, Evergreen, Gajeel, Makarov, and Cana would all be at his mercy. Likewise, any Grimmoire Heart fodder still (or once again) active on the island would find so many wounded people so lightly defended to be a relatively easy target.


Ah, yeah. I forgot about Simon and Zoldeo and there's Racer but the anime made him survive so I ain't sure about him. But still, the way Zanrcow died is lame.

How would you have preferred Zancrow to die?

Darjaille
July 11, 2011, 12:51 PM
Case in point, after they've made their decision as to who does what, we find out that Zancrow's up and about. Suppose that instead of encountering Meredy and Zeref, he'd encountered the FT camp, after everyone but Lisanna and Levy had left to fight Hades. They likely wouldn't be a match for him, then Mirajane, Elfman, Evergreen, Gajeel, Makarov, and Cana would all be at his mercy. Likewise, any Grimmoire Heart fodder still (or once again) active on the island would find so many wounded people so lightly defended to be a relatively easy target.


He would fall right into Fried's traps.
Remember Fried and Bix are there just because they cannot be sure who is on the island right now. Stupid thing would be if all of them went to Hades.
EDIT: sorry sorry I didn't realize you are telling exactly same thing as me -_-' Well, at least I said I agree with you O:-)

ShoobyDooBop
July 11, 2011, 12:52 PM
No they don't know that Hades is the only one left. Grimmoire Heart seems to have some ability to keep track of who on their side has been defeated, but Fairy Tail does not. The group at the medical tent has no idea what's become of Meredy, Azuma, or Ultear, though they can probably guess that Blue Note has been defeated. They know that Rusty Rose, Caprico, Kain, and Zancrow were defeated, but they don't have any way to be sure that Zancrow or Kain won't recover and be of further threat.

Then there's the masses of fodder they dropped on the island at the start. They don't know for sure if all of them were defeated and/or unsummoned or if there are still some left. They probably don't know what became of the unsummoned ones when Zoldeo melted.

Case in point, after they've made their decision as to who does what, we find out that Zancrow's up and about. Suppose that instead of encountering Meredy and Zeref, he'd encountered the FT camp, after everyone but Lisanna and Levy had left to fight Hades. They likely wouldn't be a match for him, then Mirajane, Elfman, Evergreen, Gajeel, Makarov, and Cana would all be at his mercy. Likewise, any Grimmoire Heart fodder still (or once again) active on the island would find so many wounded people so lightly defended to be a relatively easy target.



How would you have preferred Zancrow to die?

I forgot that fodder bunch. But I assume Hades is the one who has the ability to keep track of who on his side has been defeated since Ultear mentioned that "eye" thing of his.

Meh, I would have still preferred Fried to go instead of Lucy but she still goes coz since she's one of the main. Bixlow can stay and others(including Lucy if she stays and Fried goes instead), they should be enough to defeat the other members even Zancrow, he just needs to use his eyes then it's over. With the type of guy Zancrow is, he should fall for it. O and there's Gildarts. About Caprico, since it was his body that Zoldeo used, do you think Human Subordination magic was left in him? If that's the case, that would be so good for Lucy. That would also solve the problem about the fodders. And that Kain is just like for comic relief.

I would have preferred him to die in another way, not that lame. We don't know if genuine God-Slayers exist, or if genuine God-Slayer Magic even exists. But if there really is God Slaying magic, I wanted him to defeat Natsu even in their round 2(but, Mashima made another stupid way to defeat him...... I don't want to argue about this, it's already there after all, just saying) and escape along with Hades then have a another bout with Natsu. Then there's gonna be God Mode, similar to Dragon Force and die after an epic battle. But it's impossible now.
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I don't know if Erza and Gray is underestimating Hades or just being brave. They're terribly wounded and still goes to fight him. I wish they could have seen how Makarov was defeated. And those cats, what can they do? Fly all around? Charle predicting the next move?

RaveDragon
July 11, 2011, 12:58 PM
WENDY just wanted to point out the little healing girl with supportive magic is there so she can help the injured and provide...support xD
She is gonna be quite needed ^^ patching up erza and Gray will leave her for like a spell or two to defend or increse strenght so she's a big help.

Lucy is so gonna use capricorn cuz he might remember something on Hades which will help and his real powers could be useful, we have no idea what he does since Zoldeo was in him but if hes stronger than Aquarius...yay xD Lucy is also a main whom natsu trust so she had to go, she might also have some explaining stories and stuff to do and has to do her big part still...

The rest are strong fighters ^^ so the team is quite in equilibrium. like Krono said the others in the defense team have no idea how many GH members are still out to get them so this was quite an intelligent move ^^

ShoobyDooBop
July 11, 2011, 01:28 PM
Didn't they already tell Wendy not to use her healing magic anymore? Since she already used it too much.

White Silver King
July 11, 2011, 01:45 PM
So I'm guessing Zeref is a time-traveler?

As for Acnologia, I got the impression that that was Meredy's hometown not a spell of Zeref's as that wouldn't have any significance to Mest (unless he's acquainted himself with all of Zeref's spells...). What it's significance is I can't guess.

RaveDragon
July 11, 2011, 02:05 PM
Didn't they already tell Wendy not to use her healing magic anymore? Since she already used it too much.

I dont really think Lucy is the only one whose magical power replenished ^^ probably that was Hiro's way of saying they all rested.


So I'm guessing Zeref is a time-traveler?

As for Acnologia, I got the impression that that was Meredy's hometown not a spell of Zeref's as that wouldn't have any significance to Mest (unless he's acquainted himself with all of Zeref's spells...). What it's significance is I can't guess.

I thought he was refering to the name of the death wave he used like its a spell or something. But if Meredy's town was that then she could hold valuable info on something. But maybe he is refering to his type of magic or one of his types of magic which since he was like THE evil magician of the century would be known if not fully by rumor or something which the council would have.

kkck
July 11, 2011, 03:24 PM
Somehow I don't get the impression zancrow definitely met his end, I think we will actually see him again. Zeref apparently has the ability to devour life around him, in other words he absorbs it. In that regard zancrow did die but his soul is somehow within zeref. Zeref was said to be capable of creating creatures such as the evil flute and deliora. What if eventually zancrow is brought back in such a fashion? Zancrow is the derange psycopath every shonen needs as a mildly recurring antagonist for the protagonist....

Ifrit
July 11, 2011, 08:25 PM
I don't think actually Fried or Bixlow needed or any1 else ( same for Gildartz ) in the fight Vs HADES I just don't see them beating him really. It's gonna be Zeref who finish off HADES will be like you want me here I am.

I think the main fight is Natsu Vs Zeref but I think ...Mashina will save that.

Or maybe it will happen but does Natsu have to win ?

ok I agree with ca12nag3 Natsu not ready this is why he might lose his first fight Vs Zeref...about to die...then some1 come n save him ? ( Loosing his life for saving Natsu ) which lead us to Natsu crying ?

This Arc maybe about to end. By Zeref defeating HADES

Zeref is awake ok lets start the Dragon slayer Arc + Lucy history.


I think there will be one last meeting Meredy with Ultear.....maybe Meredy tries to kill Ultear for what she did to her.

Darjaille
July 12, 2011, 01:21 AM
Well, if Lucy follows Lisanna's advice, she can be the one who let's herself shot when protecting Natsu /ofc she isn't dead, we have Wendy and plot armor, so don't worry/. Causing bat-shit crazy Dragonforce and crying after everything.

Ifrit
July 12, 2011, 07:04 AM
Zeref Is he Good or Evil ?

HADES : Magic was born in darkness

The Source of Magic : Zeref hims self.

someone who just can't control his power because the source of magic it self is EVIL

a magic was sealed by Lucy mother & protected by the dragons ?

now the Dragons trained humans to defend it and left.


I hope Mashima say something about the boy stares at the sea before this Arc ends.

does it have to be one natsu ? What if there is more than one Natsu each one for different Era ?

( So it's really not the first time Zeref is going to fight a Natsu )

Dragons appears be4 a new Era starts to train a new human ?

but this will conflict with the idea of Natsu being older than he looks.

If Layla has anything to do with Zeref then I think Zeref will recognise Lucy when he see her because

she really looks like a copy of her mother.

ScottH87
July 15, 2011, 07:08 AM
This was a good chapter, good not great.

Zancrow had far too much potential to get wasted so easily IMO, would have loved to have seen Zancrow Vs Natsu round 2.

Zerefs situation is still intriguing me though and his death magic could still prove to be awesome.

My theory is that Zeref has a split personality alot like Brain/Zero from the Oracian Sies arc. Zerefs evil side was sealed away by Lucys mother using the dragons as the keys like the Sies were. Lucys mother died doing this, but the dragons did not. They were sealed themselves into the bodies of humans now known as the Dragon Slayers. A side effect of the seal was a fragmented memories, alot like Charles prediction powers, so that none of them knew who they actually were, but subconsciously created this backstory for themselves.

Seems farfetched I know, but it also seems legitamate. There are a few plot holes I guess but it wouldnt be the first time that things like this have been retconned.

Shadow Limiter
July 15, 2011, 07:54 AM
My theory is that Zeref has a split personality alot like Brain/Zero from the Oracian Sies arc. Zerefs evil side was sealed away by Lucys mother using the dragons as the keys like the Sies were. Lucys mother died doing this, but the dragons did not. They were sealed themselves into the bodies of humans now known as the Dragon Slayers. A side effect of the seal was a fragmented memories, alot like Charles prediction powers, so that none of them knew who they actually were, but subconsciously created this backstory for themselves.

Seems farfetched I know, but it also seems legitamate. There are a few plot holes I guess but it wouldnt be the first time that things like this have been retconned.

Well ch 101 seems to disagree with your theory as the dragons are shown in the present era (also the fact that Gildarts fought the Black Dragon recently).

Also Zeref was last seen 400 years ago, though it is possible for the Dragons to be alive for that long, or even Natsu and the other original-type dragon slayer (through means of special spells) to be alive from that time, it seems unlikely for Lucy's mother to be alive from that time unless she had some sort of special spell or had some deep connection to either Zeref or the Dragons to let her live that long.

Also i don't think Zeref has split personality. To me he feels like a being who is neither good nor bad, in other words a 'omnipotent being'. His sole purpose of existence (from what i understand) is to create a sort of cycle of destruction & creation.

My feeling (theory) is that Lucy's mother comes from a family of secret keeper who have all the knowledge of what actually happened 400 years ago and also holds the secret to the source of magic, Zeref & the dragons.
The secrets are most probably presently passed down as stories (i.e., fairy tales).

I have another theory that the 100 years quest on which Gildarts went maybe connected to the dragons (hence the reason why Gildarts had to fight the Black Dragon).

I have a off-topic question which i haven't asked yet. In ch 101, Grandine talks about "Dragon King Feast". What do people think it is.
Also what was the talk about 'establishing a more friendly relationship between Natsu & Wendy this time'. Does that mean that Natsu & Wendy have meet before but had a rough relationship (something like being enemies or rivals).

MyuuMyuu
July 15, 2011, 01:46 PM
I hope Mashima say something about the boy stares at the sea before this Arc ends.

does it have to be one natsu ? What if there is more than one Natsu each one for different Era ?.

Am i'm the only one who thought this boy (http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/234/19)was Romeo? :blink
i just thought it looked like him, and he has the fairy tail tattoo so he is in the guild..

Darjaille
July 15, 2011, 02:50 PM
Am i'm the only one who thought this boy (http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/234/19)was Romeo? :blink
i just thought it looked like him, and he has the fairy tail tattoo so he is in the guild..

You are not alone I think, there was more people thinking it was Romeo. And some were thinking it was Zeref.. and Mavis... anybody :D It's not sure who it is for now, even the gray framing didn' help much as we coudn't agree if it's flashback, or flashforward, or alternative past/future...

I think a lot of people is waiting for explanation.
I hope we get one when the "info" part of this arc comes (Zeref, Layla, source of magic, dragonslayers... the boy that stares at the sea xD)

Askia32
July 16, 2011, 12:23 AM
Chapter is out
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/92450233/1

Aikidoka
July 16, 2011, 12:53 AM
Not gonna lie, I honestly thought Natsu's little headbutt was it for Hades. It's not cynicism per se, but I've come to expect the battles to be one-sided in favor of the good guys. So I was surprised that Hades wasn't hurt at all. Dunno what this says lol, that I underestimated the boss so much.

The real surprise is what he did to Wendy, but IMO it's BS. From a literary standpoint Mashima didn't build this up with foreshadowing at all (you could say Wendy and Charle's goodbyes were that, but haven't they always done that before every battle?), and besides, if he would kill anyone off it's definitely not the little kid. No one kills little kids in a story unless it's a dark dark story. Fairy Tail is the opposite of dark.

Wendy's fine.

Keino
July 16, 2011, 12:55 AM
Wow! What an awesome chapter! :hearts Imo it is one of the best I've seen in awhile. The chapter had my heart racing and I sped through it and was left wanting more!

The array of attacks from Natsu and co. were awesome! There will be no need to talk about "where are they getting all that power from" because Wendy provided that. I especially liked that last attack "Unison Raid" which was great team work. Most other mages(we've seen so far) would have been defeated by those attacks which were performed with fantastic unison.

My thoughts on Hades are just wow. I must admit before I read the chapter I was skeptical about how this would have turned out because all signs were pointing to him being overpowered by "nakama power". Alas though Hades was awesome.... taking all that "Makarov's babies" had to offer and call it a warm up. That last attack, If I can call it that was interesting cuz I doubt that Wendy is dead but maybe she is. I'm sure as well we've only seen a minute amount of his power and I'm looking forward to seeing more, that is if he doesn't annihilate them in seconds. :pwned

Wohooo after all the trolling that the 7 kin received I glad Hades has already started to make up for it with this impressive display. :worship2

Krono
July 16, 2011, 01:00 AM
Wendy's fine.

Well, not necessarily fine, just not dead. The other possibilities are generally inconvenient and/or uncomfortable, and most of them call for outside aide of some kind to escape/recover/return from.

saya1987
July 16, 2011, 01:14 AM
the first 6/7 pages were a waste of space. It could be condensed into fewer pages. Then, the next few pages were a teaser ( guess this is normal since almost each and every manga would show its main characters giving their all only to find its futile.) The only interesting part is that unison raid is performed between wendy and lucy. Isn't unison raid supposed to be a rare spell where monks dedicated their lives to achieve but both of them did it with a snap of their fingers! FYI, lucy was present for the 2 unison raids that ever appeared in this manga. She seriously has a talent for casting spells so I wouldn't be surprised if the fairy spell that Kana was supposed to cast to fall into her hands. That spell has yet to show its power.

and why doesn't Lucy use Caprico or Gemini first? It would have totally helped everyone in their attacks. I guess they'll probably appear in the next chapter or so.

As for wendy, no, she won't die. 1) she is a dragonslayer which means she still has to find grandine! 2) the tenou tree that azuma revived will probably save her from death ( since the tree has returned everyone their powers, it would also mean that it could still protect FT members from death.)

Atobe the king
July 16, 2011, 01:14 AM
I should have posted it here i guess...

All the crossover attacks reminded me of AG battles. While it was a fun chapter it was pretty cliche, but i didn't mind lol (especially the warm up line)

Nike Takeuchi
July 16, 2011, 01:17 AM
First time posting in FT's thread.:tem

I really love this chapter...it turned out better than I expect. I was worried that the battle will be too straight foward with no surprises (boring in short), Fairy Tail's teamwork was great but Hades rocks more!! The ending scene proves Hades can use not just chain-magic and ritual spells. Wendy no!!

P.S. This is the second time Unison Raid appears in this manga. The first time was Jubvia and Lucy during the fight against Gérard. Quite excited seeing Natsu and Lucy's Scorpio making a move together:D

saya1987
July 16, 2011, 01:20 AM
First time posting in FT's thread.:tem

P.S. This is the second time Unison Raid appears in this manga. The first time was Jubvia and Lucy during the fight against Gérard. Quite excited seeing Natsu and Lucy's Scorpio making a move together:D

Sorry but I think it was Lucy and Wendy who did the unison raid to give Natsu a boost. Natsu didn't perform unison raid with Lucy

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July 16, 2011, 01:22 AM
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Krono
July 16, 2011, 01:25 AM
and why doesn't Lucy use Caprico or Gemini first? It would have totally helped everyone in their attacks. I guess they'll probably appear in the next chapter or so.

Gemini would have to touch Hades before he could be copied, which would leave Lucy not attacking. Copying one of her allies probably wouldn't be as efficient as attack herself either. As for Caprico, to our knowledge she doesn't formally have his key yet, and the only power we know he has is some hand to hand combat. The whole Human Subordination weakening was Zoldeo's power.

Nike Takeuchi
July 16, 2011, 01:28 AM
Sorry but I think it was Lucy and Wendy who did the unison raid to give Natsu a boost. Natsu didn't perform unison raid with Lucy

read it too fast my mistake... i was wondering why didn't Wendy attack Hades and got vanished by him, oooops!!