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ghostexiled
August 27, 2011, 04:16 AM
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omegakai
September 03, 2011, 04:48 PM
Chapters out on MS (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/11960306/1)

Darjaille
September 03, 2011, 05:01 PM
Typical 'end of arc' chapter with great comedy and good (but predictable) end.

I loved Raijinshuu's reaction to Laxus (Fried x__x)
Gildarts popping up from nowhere as well, masochist Juvia and I think something else I don't remember now.

Here it is, Hades lost a battle, but WON a war, Zeref is in a state of awakening and Hades with (just) two of his minions are alive. Though I would not let somebody I know I wouldn't be able to defeat without tree-power up get out of there alive, but that's Fairy Tail (as guild) for you.
Now if GH comes of this alive or become oneshoted by Zeref? I don't think he'll kill them, they'll just become his slaves :toc

Thinking about it, it may not be over for this arc as I don't think we've seen all of Charle's visions (and we still don't have an S-Class as Natsu pointed out).


Anyway, I expected Lucy-secret oriented chapter, I so expected it, but I'll wait. That way I know I'll be interested in FT no matter what kind of chapters are ahead of us.

SO, what have I wanted to say? I think it was a pretty good chapter in style 'nothing much happens' (except Zeref:p) and I'm looking forward to a new (or maybe not) arc and a threat of apocalypse.

Quantized
September 03, 2011, 05:26 PM
Guess this thread will be converted to the new discussion thread, so I'll post here, since chapter is already out :]

@Darjaille
Agreed, he lost a battle but won the war! What surprised me though is that Marakov made it through this thick skull of his, atleast, it seemed like he did... Then soon after Zeref appears, and Hades seems to have "second thoughts" about resurrecting him.

My guess is that Hades and his guild members are no way evil enough for Hades, and they're in deep s**t at the moment, though, he'll probably use them for a while before throwing them away.. :o

As predicted this chapter redeemed the previous one, well was pretty obvious though.. What seems unchanged no matter what is how little impact there is behind actions though, it takes so little to do big changes in Fairy Tale... Be it Zeref suddenly ressurected, Hades seemingly got doubts about his dark side (magic) thoughts from a teaching he himself has given, which seems pretty hard to forget. Such things, really hate that it takes so little... I'd want more work behind the story/plot :(

Oh well, the manga still rocks :tem

Off-topic: Oki, what happen to Mangahelpers all day...? seemed down for atleast 12 hours :blink

wooticus
September 05, 2011, 11:17 AM
Well decent ending for a very long arc. i also loved the comedy and i'm curious about the next chapter.

Here is what i think will happen:

Makarov not giving Hades the last blow when he could is quite typical - it foreshadows makarovs death by hades at the end of the manga i guess. Moreover it would be quite idiotic to let hades get away just to be oneshotted by zeref. So Hades lost his heart-power but will gain a zeref powerup. Also will that zeref powerup make quite a good opponent out of rustyrose. As for the voodoo guy whose name i can't remember: he will probably be the one who get's killed by zeref as a demonstration of power, he is just comic and was by far the weakest of those 7 kin.

RaveDragon
September 05, 2011, 11:47 AM
So is it me or it doesnt seem like the arc ended yet? isnt zeref and grimoire still on the island or they left. well satisfying end of arc so i guess now its the zeref arc :/

LoS
September 05, 2011, 12:38 PM
They left, and the big bad wolf Hades is about to get his butt handed to him by Zeref(like everyone predicted).

Atobe the king
September 05, 2011, 12:40 PM
Also don't think the arc is over, liked the chapter but everyone said what i had to say basically :(. I lol'd@makarov and laxus

ErosVp
September 05, 2011, 03:24 PM
I said Mashima already forgot Charle's prediction... End of arc! Later we'll see the implications of Zeref's discovery in the world, the world and the council will have to prepare themselfs to what is coming.

Krono
September 05, 2011, 03:54 PM
The arc's definitely not over quite yet. No closing narration from Lucy, they haven't returned to the guild yet, S-Class portion and Cana's subplot unfinished, etc. Probably a couple more chapters before things wrap up.


I said Mashima already forgot Charle's prediction...

Which prediction would that be?

Atobe the king
September 05, 2011, 04:05 PM
Natsu crying iirc

Ifrit
September 05, 2011, 04:07 PM
The arc's definitely not over quite yet. No closing narration from Lucy, they haven't returned to the guild yet, S-Class portion and Cana's subplot unfinished, etc. Probably a couple more chapters before things wrap up.



Which prediction would that be?

Natsu crying. I thought the Arc ended till I saw Zeref. finally some Zeref story now...can't wait..LOVED THE CHAPTER very funny.

but I was hoping for Meldy & Ultear ending story.

Krono
September 05, 2011, 05:03 PM
Natsu crying iirc

See, the thing about Natsu crying, is that could easily be Natsu losing to Gildarts, and Mashima just screwed up the pose. Easily done if he changed it between the draft the the final, then used the draft when drawing the chapter to remind himself. Alternatively, Mashima never intended to be that in your face about when a particular vision occurred, and just assumed people were smart enough to make the connection. Cana's for example was a close up shot in Charles vision, and a distance shot when it actually occurred.

Ifrit
September 05, 2011, 05:25 PM
See, the thing about Natsu crying, is that could easily be Natsu losing to Gildarts, and Mashima just screwed up the pose. Easily done if he changed it between the draft the the final, then used the draft when drawing the chapter to remind himself. Alternatively, Mashima never intended to be that in your face about when a particular vision occurred, and just assumed people were smart enough to make the connection. Cana's for example was a close up shot in Charles vision, and a distance shot when it actually occurred.

with the next 2 chapters we will find out...I guess...but if I recall right...Natsu face was facing the ground when he lost to Gildartz in Charle's vision he was crying while looking @ some1.

I don't think the Arc ended. there is more coming. Boy stare @ the sea. something is going to happen for every1 on Tenrou Island I think. If this happen and Mashima finally decide to use some1 outside the strongest team circle. for example Ultear using her magic Arc of time to go back in time to change things ( She can do it if Zeref Awake )

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September 05, 2011, 10:31 PM
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exacta
September 06, 2011, 03:07 PM
Arc was a major disappointment, but that was a pretty good way to end it. In the end,it seems GH really is going to get Zeref,which is good. Of course, if Mashima was planning on that happening anyway, it would've made more sense to have GH win, and would've been better, but, whatever....at least this chapter was very decent. Maybe Zeref will have Hades fly him to visit other dark guilds and he will unite them all under him??? I have a feeling Mashima is going to to do what he had Lucia do in Rave in order to setup the final setting. But I still think Fairy Tail has a while to go before it gets to that point.

Whatever happened to the Council firing Etherion??? I hope FT will clash with them in the future. The new council leader looks pretty powerful. It'd be great to see him fight Hades or something in the future....

tobeulp
September 06, 2011, 06:55 PM
If Zeref will be the one leading Grimoire heart now Mashima just replay his idea on Rave where
Oracion Seis lost then Lucia Raregroove become the leader
well I pretty much predict this will be the end in this arc

MechR
September 06, 2011, 11:05 PM
See, the thing about Natsu crying, is that could easily be Natsu losing to Gildarts, and Mashima just screwed up the pose. Easily done if he changed it between the draft the the final, then used the draft when drawing the chapter to remind himself.That doesn't seem too likely to me, because the other events from the vision had matching artwork despite happening much later than Natsu's surrender, which was just 5 chapters after the vision.

Marche
September 07, 2011, 12:08 AM
This is my full comments (with also some predictions) of the last chapter of FT, I really want to know your opinion of what I wrote:

Makarov says to Hades that he will let him go away from the island alive, as a thanks for what he learned from him when Hades was the second FT’s master, with the name of Purehito.
Then Hades says that the next time he will surely destroy FT, what I don’t know is how he can still believe this after lost his heart and his magic.
Hades (after that Makarov said that the younger member of FT won against Hades) says that in the truth the island give to them the power that had his hearth, otherwise he would not have lost (in the truth he lost because he wanted to play with them, otherwise he would have defeat them in a second).
But I believe that he is wrong, it’s thanks to Ultear which she has sheltered the tree that they regained their magic.
Before of returning to the camp, Makarov asks Hades how he could fell into the darkness, then Hades speak again about the origins of the magic, that it began in the darkness, then he adds that he left the guild because he wanted to discover the truth about the world.
During the voyage he realized that the world is only a great falsehoods, and that the real world was that of Zereff, for that reason he awakened Zereff and acquired all the keys.
I must say that I really liked this page http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/11, because the breaking of the stick with FT’s ensign, represents the abandonment of FT ideals, the moments in which he stopped to be Purehito and began to be Hades.
While in last imagine where Hades raised his arm, together with his words, represents that he was really near to the “one magic”, he almost conquer it, but at the end he could reach it, he could not grab it.
To this Makarov responds that even if Hades would have found it, reach it, nothing would have change, this because the magic is alive, it change in time, so it’s not important if it was born in the darkness.
For the fact that the magic change continuously it can be described as “darkness”, light, red or blue.
And I think that is for this very reason that in the world there are so much type of magic (for example the creation magic (that of Ice), the transformation magic (that of the dragonslayer, of Mira, Elfman and Lisanna, and perhaps also that of Lluvia), the one who summon the things (as the user of the stellar spirit) or who use some cards (as Cana or one of the Erza’s friends (the one who imprisoned her in one of his cards)).
And the ironically the one who taught to Makarov this was Hades himself when he was still Purehito, and it’s for this reason that Makarov is pissed of http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/13.
I must say than in the first imagine of this page http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/14 seem that Hades receives an electric shock, a revelation, similar to that who receives Ultear in this pages http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/16 http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/17.
Anyways I believe that this arc is very similar, reflects Full Metal Alchemist.
In fact we have the 7 deadly sins, led by someone who as the “Homunculus father” give up/lost his feelings.
In fact while the “father” in FMA really dismissed his feelings/sins for real, creating so the homunculus, here we can says that Hades did the same (also in the truth he still can feel the emotions, for example the pride and the wrath) why he took out his heart.
And if as I believe Hades will be killed from Zereff, he will be killed or anyways defeated (for the “father” in FMA) forever from who he tried to have/reach http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-25/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-26/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-27/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-29/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html.
And he will die trembling in fear, just as happened to the father in FMA (in fact Hades already trembling at the end of the last chapter http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/19), and this after fear his enemies (in fact I really hope that just before of die he will remember what he said here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/243/17http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/243/18.
Then if as I believe Ultear will be forgiven from Meredy and so she will live, she is in some way reborn, like happened with Salim Bradley, and both represent the sin of “pride”.
Anyways I must say that also before of the chapter 248 I was sure that Ultear would be reborn anew as she thought herself here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/248/10.
I believed this because this image http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/14 represents (as Ultear herself think that) that she is in her mother bell, then this imagine http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/16, the fact that with Gray’s ice she leave her mother bell, represents that she is born again, and to confirm this there is Gray that says to her what her mother thought when she born http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/17.
The only think that will be different is that Meredy (which represents the sin of “Wrath”) will live too.
Anyways I must say that I am not totally satisfied from this chapter.
In fact leaving aside that Erza has not requested some information to Hades what Azuma said here
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/238/3, but I can accept it, in fact in the truth I am happy because I think this will be explained in some chapters from Ultear, when she will came with Meredy for met with Gray and Erza.
What I really wanted to see is how Purehito/Hades fell in the darkness, we have only got 2 pages (in fact the lack of flashback it’s the greatest weakness) and beside that, instead that doing everything only for mere curiosity, just only for knowing as was the world in which Zereff lived, I would have preferred that during the trip something happened that changed him (for example during the voyage he would have come across in a machine that increased his darkness in the heart of the people (something like the Nirvana), or if not a machinery someone or an event).
I really hoped to see why and how Hades pulled out his heart, because frankly I don’t think that it was done only for increase his life-span.
I wanted to know also if he had his “Devil’s eye” when he was second FT’s master, and if not how he gained it, when he discovered it, but unfortunately I don’t believe that we will see it.
Anyways I believe that Zereff will kill all the three, but not all at once (before Kain and Rustyrose together, then Hades alone).
Before of dying, after seeing the death of RR and Kain, Hades will start to trembling (in the truth also in this chapter he begin to have fear http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/19), he will not be able to move even a muscle.
In fact before of the last chapter I thought that Hades would have survived, so he would have lived on the world that he wanted (because I was sure that Zereff would have been awakened), but unfortunately for him after losing his hearth and his mage he would have been in the hell, as RR said to Elfman and Evergeen here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/221/15, and that would have been the right punishment after all his crimes.
Anyways Zereff is not already awakened, he not became really evil, he is only angered, his facial expression is like that he had against Ultear, only counting the fact that now he is really near to his full awakening, so he is much more stronger that the time which he fought against Ultear.
Anyways Zereff will be fully awaked only after killing the 3 members of GH, then he will not have anymore regrets, rather he will be happy in killing the people and destroys the things, he will be really similar to Zero, the master of OS.
Then he will came back to the island, as the vision of Charle http://www.mangareader.net/135-57514-19/fairy-tail/chapter-201.html.
But before that Zereff will return to the island and reach the FT’s mage as I already said, Ultear and Meredy will arrive to meet with them, particularly with Gray and Erza.
There she will tell her backstory (perhaps we will skip this part because we already know it from the early chapters), he will confess that he manipulated Gerard and also that he destroyed Meredy’s town (so perhaps we will know something more about the Zereff’s key, also because I believe that the keys will be used for sealed Zereff again (I was already sure since the beginning of this arc, because I was sure that Ultear would have changed side)).
I think that before of Ultear’s confession about the fact that she was the one who destroyed Meredy town we will see in flashback, just only for few imagines/pages, the confrontation that there was between Meredy and Ultear (to tell the truth I hope that Ultear confessed it before that Meredy ask it).

dirtywork
September 10, 2011, 09:06 AM
WTF-en long post :/ no one will read that exept for me

Ifrit
September 10, 2011, 09:10 AM
WTF-en long post :/ no one will read that exept for me

I've read it. it's good actually. it's like a Review for everything "HighLights" I thank you for taking this long posting that ^_^

kkck
September 10, 2011, 10:02 AM
I didn't read the post because of no spaces between paragraphs lol.... At least for me it is kinda hard to read without those...

Anyways, I do expect the arc to be esentially over now, at least the part concerning zeref and hades. What I am wondering about is the council, it kinda seems like the last plot point to be dealt with. The guys in the advance squad actually feared ethereon could be used against the island again although it would be pointless now that zeref and grimmoire heart left. I do think that at least they will send an army to the island only to find that they all left. I wonder if this will be the trigger for FTs closing by the council. Grimmoire heart started the attack but just as with the oracion 6 the council was not happy about the warfare between guilds. In this regard, this would be the 3rd war between guilds in which fairy tail is involved.

One thing I just can't put my finger on is what is the connection between fairy tail and zeref. We know hades seeked zeref's power and it would make sense that zeref's connection to fairy tail had something to do with that.... The connection is actually obvious if we consider that zeref awoke in fairy tail's sacred place.

I wonder what will happen to hades, rustyrose and kain... Either they become zeref's lackeys or they get killed by him (which would not quite rule out them returning as demons serving hades).

Man, cant wait for the chapter today lol.

ca12nag3
September 10, 2011, 11:26 AM
I thought about reading the essay like 3/4 times but every-time i stare at it i get dizzy so just forget it :P buy a enter key? :D

For the current development i think its not over yet, true Hades&co left and Zeref is the hitchhiker but we still have Ultear and Meredy on the island. She didnt look to happy at her foster-mom. So who knows what will happen between them.
We still havnt heard about the sad thing that the narrator (Lucy) talked about, so far there isnt much to be sad about since the island is restored etc. But who knows it might have to do with Zeref slipping away and they could have dealt with him here but failed to do so?
Other then that the sad thing might have to do with Meredy and Ultear.

gominola
September 10, 2011, 11:52 AM
http://bbs.52manyou.com/read.php?tid=45153

Atobe the king
September 10, 2011, 01:09 PM
Wow this chapter looks awesome....and d'aaaw @meredy and Ultear....and wtf was Ultear always so busty :V?

ca12nag3
September 10, 2011, 01:11 PM
Wow this chapter looks awesome....and d'aaaw @meredy and Ultear....and wtf was Ultear always so busty :V?

yeah she always was :D got that from her mommy no doubt :P But the entire thing is epic, cant wait to read it in english, mashima outdid himself again ^^

DarkIcarusX
September 10, 2011, 01:29 PM
Brief summary:
Zeref explains there was never a need to create a key to awake him since he was awaken throughout the whole time.
What Zeref did to keep people think that he was slumber is that he took life as a meaningful element.
Zeref uses Acnologia for Hades to atone his sin.
Ultear confirmed with Meldy she was the one who destroyed Meldy's hometown.
She further added she knew Meldy wants her dead, but she didn't want Meldy to dirty her hands, so she stabbed herself in the stomach and fell into the sea.
Meldy saved Ultear and wants her to live, as she was the one who brought her up since her hometown was destroyed.
Meldy forgave Ultear.
Back to the ship, Hades was killed.
Zeref was shocked and said something about Acnologia is coming.

This summary might not be 100% correct, since I am not very good in Chinese :P

wooticus
September 10, 2011, 01:59 PM
ah and i thought that the beam in the last panel could be etherion... so maybe acnologia is something very similar to etherion - magic running down from the sky... oh gosh, i already see it coming - natsu eating that stuff

kkck
September 10, 2011, 02:42 PM
^Well, the aparent explosion in the ship appears to come from the inside rather than the outside. I would assume that has something to do with what just happened to hades. As for what is coming it could be some ancient demon, the black dragon gildarts mentioned or perhaps the council fired ethereon at zeref. If mashima intends on making ethereon vaguely relevant in this manga then perhaps it is actually connected to zeref and the origin of magic as ethereon itself was already said to be composed of many elements, which could as well be any and all magics....

BinCs
September 10, 2011, 02:43 PM
So what is acnologia? Is it a spell? Or is it a portal to another dimension where everyone is a pony and magic is scarce?

maravish
September 10, 2011, 02:47 PM
looks like a good chapter. geez when your waiting for it to come out it never does >.<

Rarhyx
September 10, 2011, 04:01 PM
looks like zeref is going to do a kame-hame-ha^^

Ifrit
September 10, 2011, 04:13 PM
Can't wait for english version. looks like really cool chapter 10/10.

Perfect ending Meldy and Ultear....Meldy is just not kind of a person who would hold a grudge on any1 this is why most of us saw her joining FT. I hope we see more from those two. can't wait to understand what happen on that ship.

Guys just a wild thinking ... Acnologia : name of the black dragon that attacked Gildartz ?

Umibouzu
September 10, 2011, 04:37 PM
Hey guess what, I can say what ever the heck I want to say. Im not breaking any rules. If it hurts your feelings that you don't agree with my sentiments then don't read them lol.

Urtear's character was loved by many because she was the first evil character who was long standing and made it through an entire arc, and then went by the wayside and progressively got more foolish until ultimately she was no longer Urtear the villain anylonger but rather some brain washed character.

Hades was the penultimate bad guy, who gets ko'd by the bull crap theme of this arc being friendship/bonds.

This entire arc was all too convenient. Mashima made some things up later on in the arc, and forcibally made them fit expecting readers to digest the new BS and like it, without seeing any loopholes or anything wrong with what he just did.

Who knows, my thoughts might change once the scanlation comes out, but I highly doubt it. I haven't even bothered posting anything positive or critical for a few chapters, because I'd just be wasting my time on the lolz filled half assed chapters.

Oh noez, Hades gets merked by Zeref who himself does a 180, proceeds to shit his pants because the council fires etherion at the island, but all will be good because Cana will show up with her new found powerup that she was too dumb to work a few chapters ago, but now that her daddy is there she will show him just how strong she is and then tell him she's his daughter.... Awwww

Or maybe this entire arc was to free Zeref? and Hades and Urtear were throw away characters. It was blatantly clear they were just the figurative keys to unlock Zeref, and they did their job....But hey, that's just my opinion. :o

Kazu-Sama
September 10, 2011, 08:32 PM
I'm not a big fan of what happened to both Ultear and Gerard, I think they would have been better off as master-villians, always behind the scenes, as opposed to pulling a heel-face turn and becoming good. But I must say I did like Meledy in this chapter, using the bonds to tell if Ultear was lying is a smart move. And plus, as expected, Hades died. I do think the S-class should carry on - but surely Cana's won it?

hoeru
September 10, 2011, 08:33 PM
just went through the manga again after having stopped reading it for a while at the mid of edolas - over confusion where mashima wanted to lead the story. and i have to revise my opinion about fairy tail. i used to call it bad since then but i think i get used to mashimas way of story telling. and with this chapter ultear became most likely one of my favorite characters - of all shonen i have read so far. im happy that i came back reading fairy tail and that shes going to change now so she eventually can show up again and show us some character development.

the current translation on the mangareader version is - lets just say "uruteia, merudei - wtf. >_<"

White Silver King
September 10, 2011, 08:43 PM
The translation is pretty awful, but the chapter looks good. I'm really happy about the Ultear/Meredy interaction and official switch over to the good side (well, this is what I'm taking it as).

Wish I could actually understand what's happening with Zeref though.

Atobe the king
September 10, 2011, 08:59 PM
Zeref is confusing me as well...translation didn't help either lol...a flashback arc is in order

Atobe the king
September 10, 2011, 09:49 PM
mangastream chapter
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/75979972/1

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September 10, 2011, 10:39 PM
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September 10, 2011, 10:40 PM
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twisterzin
September 10, 2011, 11:00 PM
Back into the chapter's original subject: I've a theory about Zeref, I think he may be a Dragon Slayer, the Dragon Slayer of Life, that solves a few puzzles within the manga. For example, being a Dragon Slayer, is easy to understand how he know Natsu (ALso, i Think Natsu fought in the war 400 years ago, but that I'd better keep to another day), explains about the Black Dragon and also, in the latest chapter (250), he said that the more he learn about the value of life more souls he will absorb, so he "eat" souls (like Natsu does with Fire or gajeel with iron).
If that is true, it'll have a lot of implications on the other Dragon Slayers (natsu, gajeel and the girl), because Zeref, despite the fact that he have more than 400 years old, still looks like a young man, same way like Natsu (and we already know that he is over 80).

Minato-sama
September 10, 2011, 11:06 PM
Can't wait for english version. looks like really cool chapter 10/10.

Perfect ending Meldy and Ultear....Meldy is just not kind of a person who would hold a grudge on any1 this is why most of us saw her joining FT. I hope we see more from those two. can't wait to understand what happen on that ship.

Guys just a wild thinking ... Acnologia : name of the black dragon that attacked Gildartz ?

Meldy joining fairy tail is very slim, the problem she a WANTED Fugitive, the new council would never let a former member of grimoire heart to escape justice. Look what happen to Gerard, he help out to stop Nirvana, he still go to jail. And all the heroic thing fairy tail done, the new council still want them disband.

Ultear I hope we see her again in the future, because there still one more person left who might hold a grudge for Ultear that haven't play-out yet. The confrontation between Ultear and Erza. Both of them haven't meet face to face yet. It was Ultear who screw Gerrard's mind and his life up, now he rotting in a jail cell becuz of her. Erza know now that Ultear's have her hand in making Gerrard believe he hear Zeref. I wonder what Erza reaction is when she see Ultear.

Uriel
September 10, 2011, 11:13 PM
Chapter out! I really like this one.

First, Zeref did not lose the sense of epicness that I saw on him on the first place. And I like it's not something as bad as "I was sleep" but something as cool as "I changed because after all this years I learned something, bitches". Finishing the relationship and bonds between Meldy and Ultear was great to see too, it's a nice way to end those characters in a good way.

Most cool thing of all was Acnologia and the tension that brings up. It was a summon then! Something more cool than just "you die" spell. Can't wait to read the next chapter to find out.

1337 haxor
September 10, 2011, 11:16 PM
mangastream chapter
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/75979972/1

This chapter was thrilling awesome, sorry Los this time I have to agree with everyone that you are asking for things that doesn't fall with the nature of this manga.

Fairy Tail centers around the concept that real evil doesn't exhist but is actually a mislead of good people, it happy going manga about friendship, comic relief and busty women.

What really is anoying sometimes is that Mashima can force to much on the power of friendship to turn the tides of battle instead of creating a more creative victory or allowing a good guy to face defeat.

That put aside FT is very enjoyable.

Back to the chapter itself, the Meredy Ultear conclusion was surprising and beautiful.

I and many others could foresee Meredy beating the crap out of Ultear but not killing her, however, to think that Ultear would take out her own life just to show Meredy that she truly cares for her and regrets all the evil she had done was plain heart touching.

If Mashima has trouble writing villains, then he is skilled in writing good guys, Ultear's explanation for her evil actions made it much deeper how she was desperate and blind.

In a certain acclaimed anime series that aired this year there was a time travelling character who could redo the entire plot line trying to negate her mistakes but never managed to change time the way she wanted.

Using that character to make a comparison we realize that Ultear had already gave up hope in her future, that nothing mattered because when the World of Magic finally came she would neglect all misfortune she had caused and it would be as if she had a happy life instead of her horrible one.

Meredy grew in character so much this chapter, her fight with Juvia made her realize that her life has happiness and that for the sake of those she loves she should stay alive to live hapily with them.

It was very well done.

As for Zeref and his revelation this was sort of an odd moment coupled with moral lessons.

Zeref was awake the whole time but due to his knew found values for humanity he simply chose to supress himself while his body, urging for darkness, interpreted it as stealing human souls for him.

Once Hades layed waste to FT and due to all the atrocities he had commited before, Zeref snaped with a "Humans are Bastards" mentality and decided to give up on being good.

Contrary to criticism, now that the chapter is translated Zeref sounds like a much more interesting villain who fits in FT's theme of evil being just a misdoing of good.

A villain that doesn't hold villany in high regards is something we don't see in mangas very often.

Now that I put this chapter plain there are two misteries facing the future of this manga.

First is Acnologia, Zered summoned something really wicked for he himself being scared of it and it must be either a dragon or an eldritch abomination. Unless it's some sort of evil shockwave that reduces every non magical thing on earth to dust.

Second of all there is something weird with those keys and the whole deal of the magic of one.

The fact that Hades saw with his mystical eye that the keys were meant to do something of unimaginable power and the fact that Lucy is a master of keys who is also linkened to that extraordinarily powerful magic strenghtens some interesting possibilies.

My theory is that Lucy is the gate to the world of magic, that her true power is the one which keys can awaken and that whatever entity is behind Lucy, Layla and the dragon's dissapearance it is one which Zeref had waged war upon 400 years ago.

It might be that, just as there is super evil magic Zeref, there was an extraordinarily powerful mage of light whose strenght was on par with him.

However, one day, as the heighst of their battle lead the world to the brink of destruction, the Nirvit tribe triggered Nirvana and Zeref slipped to goodness learning the value of human life but the mage of light became a corrupt destroyer that sealed herself in order to prevent catastrophe.

Lucy and Layla descend from that light mage, their bloodline inherited the spirit of her while keeping her power sealed.

When the descendent of that mage is brought before the keys of darkness, the power of that mage will be reawaken and her corrupted spirit will take possession of it.

As both Zeref and his couterpart are now evil the balance of light and darkness will be broken beyond repair and their combined strenght will sink the world in the abyss.

The dragon slayers are the only force in the world who can prevent or undo such ocurrence.

Atobe the king
September 10, 2011, 11:29 PM
Regarding Ultear its as i said a couple of weeks ago, her like many FT villains come off as teenagers with simple problems (laxus arc was this to a t), she is no different her whole motivation was because she thinks her mom basically screwed her over, learning this was the case would naturally eliminate all malice revealing she's pretty much as sweet as her mom lol.

Epic_Rider
September 10, 2011, 11:35 PM
A pretty nice chapter. The part with Ultear and Meredy reminded me of why I like Fairy Tail and shounen manga in general: redemption. There's almost nothing I like better than a story with some redemption in it.

Also, I always thought Ultear was hot, but to me, she was at her hottest this chapter. That look on her face really fits her.

Interesting to see that Hades's seed of cruelty took fruit and rebounded back to him.

Atobe the king
September 10, 2011, 11:44 PM
A lot of did say zeref would off hades..just not in the way we thought lol. Ultear is the hottest in FT imo lol

Kaiten
September 10, 2011, 11:46 PM
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shuha27
September 10, 2011, 11:54 PM
The fact that Hades saw with his mystical eye that the keys were meant to do something of unimaginable power and the fact that Lucy is a master of keys who is also linkened to that extraordinarily powerful magic strenghtens some interesting possibilies.

My theory is that Lucy is the gate to the world of magic, that her true power is the one which keys can awaken and that whatever entity is behind Lucy, Layla and the dragon's dissapearance it is one which Zeref had waged war upon 400 years ago.

It might be that, just as there is super evil magic Zeref, there was an extraordinarily powerful mage of light whose strenght was on par with him.

However, one day, as the heighst of their battle lead the world to the brink of destruction, the Nirvit tribe triggered Nirvana and Zeref slipped to goodness learning the value of human life but the mage of light became a corrupt destroyer that sealed herself in order to prevent catastrophe.

Lucy and Layla descend from that light mage, their bloodline inherited the spirit of her while keeping her power sealed.

When the descendent of that mage is brought before the keys of darkness, the power of that mage will be reawaken and her corrupted spirit will take possession of it.

As both Zeref and his couterpart are now evil the balance of light and darkness will be broken beyond repair and their combined strenght will sink the world in the abyss.

The dragon slayers are the only force in the world who can prevent or undo such ocurrence.

Dude I think your theory is awesome! It actually makes a lot of sense. Even if it doesn't happen it was interesting reading it O.O

ShoobyDooBop
September 11, 2011, 12:01 AM
I'm worrying about Zeref. Mashima, don't you make him a good guy who cares about human lives. PLEASE. He's supposed to be the most evil black mage that every good guy in FT world should hate. If Zeref isn't gonna be the main antagonist then I guess it will be the Black Dragon because Gildarts said it's an enemy of humanity and the other one is Acnologia. Though, we still don't know what the hell it is.

It's nice to see that Ultear and Meredy are gonna be together. Ultear is much more beautiful without the make up. She's really beautiful.

Blanka
September 11, 2011, 12:02 AM
Natsu's body, at least, is over 80 years old as he could not pass through barrier trap.
Black dragon s-class quest is 100years old, that Gildartz failed.
Zeref is 400 years old.
Zeref has a connection with Natsu.
7-7-7 occurs with Lucy's mom passing.
Acnologia is coming either and event or thing, triggered by using that magical enchantment.
I believe that Zeref is a dragonslayer who was taught by Acnologia, the only dragon to not leave the human's realm. The magic is darkness or death magic. Like the other dragon slayers his body naturally works with his element. IE his body will naturally absorb life.

1337 haxor
September 11, 2011, 12:14 AM
Dude I think your theory is awesome! It actually makes a lot of sense. Even if it doesn't happen it was interesting reading it O.O

Thanks!

I also think that Tartaros is the guild related to Lucy and this whole mistery regarding keys, they are themed after Greek Mythology.

If we look at it, each member of the Balam Alliance had a major theme of ancient religion.

Oracion Seis was themed after Shamanism and Hinduism.

Grimmoire Heart was themed after Norse Mythology and Christianity.

Tartaros as it's name says should be themed after Greek Mythology and something yet to be determined.

Lucy as a celestial mage has her main power linkened to the Zodiac and Greek Mythology of the constelations not to mention the use of gates.

If my theory is correct, she holds the power to open the Gates of Tartaros and unleash the real world of dark magic.

That's why I think she is related to that fallen light mage, the mage of heaven whose power once matched the dark mage Zeref has became the mage of hell that can unleash the powers of the abyss.

Ifrit
September 11, 2011, 12:19 AM
Natsu's body, at least, is over 80 years old as he could not pass through barrier trap.
Black dragon s-class quest is 100years old, that Gildartz failed.
Zeref is 400 years old.
Zeref has a connection with Natsu.
7-7-7 occurs with Lucy's mom passing.
Acnologia is coming either and event or thing, triggered by using that magical enchantment.
I believe that Zeref is a dragonslayer who was taught by Acnologia, the only dragon to not leave the human's realm. The magic is darkness or death magic. Like the other dragon slayers his body naturally works with his element. IE his body will naturally absorb life.

exactly I think there is something more dangerous than Zeref him self...what more dangerous than the dragon (Acnologia) that taught Zeref how to use magic.

I agree with you my prediction is Acnologia is the black dragon name. can't wait next chapter. Fairy Tail is just getting more and more interesting xDD

Darjaille
September 11, 2011, 12:23 AM
Guys just a wild thinking ... Acnologia : name of the black dragon that attacked Gildartz ?

YES.
YES.
You guys just watch and see, Zeref is a black DragonSlayer and the last picture is his dragon approaching him *_* My bets are on it (my bets, so far weren't true though....)

It was very good, very cool chapter. Again, I'm interested in Zeref history, who made him weigh human lives (beforeNatsu, anyone? :p)?
Ultear is one of my fave characters from this day probably, even though it was cheesy, I really liked her change, her story and feelings. That Meldy saved her, it was absolutely in-character. Yep, we'll see more from them!

Ifrit
September 11, 2011, 12:24 AM
Thanks!

I also think that Tartaros is the guild related to Lucy and this whole mistery regarding keys, they are themed after Greek Mythology.

What Keys ? Zeref just said it's an old unreal story nothing more than "a false image" He was awake the whole time 0.0

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/75979972/5

BoobsMakeMeHappy
September 11, 2011, 12:31 AM
not a hundred percent sure wat was going on but im pretty sure mashima was trying to say there are two zerefs one tht refers to himself as ''arcnologia'' (i kno my spelling is terrible) and the other ''repentance'' ..................cause im pretty sure the last panels confirmed tht there r two zerefs

Ero-Sanji
September 11, 2011, 12:32 AM
Regarding Ultear its as i said a couple of weeks ago, her like many FT villains come off as teenagers with simple problems (laxus arc was this to a t), she is no different her whole motivation was because she thinks her mom basically screwed her over, learning this was the case would naturally eliminate all malice revealing she's pretty much as sweet as her mom lol.

I wouldn't really compare Ultear to Laxus, at all.
They are/were totally different, Laxus's heart was pure proven by the fact that his Fairy Law didn't hurt anyone. Ultear on the other hand was a psycho from the start, she mind f*cked a little innocent boy she didn't even know but the worst part of it all is that she was no more of age than he was... Laxus is the teenager with the identity problems, Ultear is a whole other case, imo. That's why her redemption was kind of cheap and to some disappointing because she was a great villain; Crazy, smart, cold-blooded and one heck of a femme fatale.

Anyway, about the chapter: It was pretty damn good!
First of all a chapter without any FT member, that's a first, no? Didn't really matter though, the way the scenes shifted was a sign of Mashima's skills as a manga-ka and a story teller at most. It really brought up a dualistic feeling of calmness and intensity, brilliant!

I hope Meredy and Ultear are finished characters and that they'll never return, I think it will be too forced and the only connection they have to FT is far too loose, IMO. I also hope that Zeref will be gone for a while know so that he we can focus more on the changes around FT, if any, with the promotions and Laxus etcetera.


What Keys ? Zeref just said it's an old unreal story nothing more than "a false image" He was awake the whole time 0.0


He meant the Zodiac keys of Lucy not the Zeref key.

Also about Zeref, if he was never asleep, then were has he been for the last 400 years?

Atobe the king
September 11, 2011, 01:44 AM
Natsu's body, at least, is over 80 years old as he could not pass through barrier trap.
Black dragon s-class quest is 100years old, that Gildartz failed.
Zeref is 400 years old.
Zeref has a connection with Natsu.
7-7-7 occurs with Lucy's mom passing.
Acnologia is coming either and event or thing, triggered by using that magical enchantment.
I believe that Zeref is a dragonslayer who was taught by Acnologia, the only dragon to not leave the human's realm. The magic is darkness or death magic. Like the other dragon slayers his body naturally works with his element. IE his body will naturally absorb life.

holy crap interesting theory i really would like this...

@ero-sanji, i think i worded it pretty bad, i agree with what you said though

zelllogan
September 11, 2011, 02:21 AM
I didn't understand a thing about this chapter.
Zeref was always awake ? He never had amnesia ? Real power at the time ?

Ifrit
September 11, 2011, 03:41 AM
I didn't understand a thing about this chapter.
Zeref was always awake ? He never had amnesia ? Real power at the time ?

Zeref said that he saw too many people getting killed...and one day he started to realize what human life price is and it's not something to take for granted....the man seen everything.

Still yes Ultear is really something to be able to defeat him. But he said "at that time" he still treasure the life of humans he didn't want to kill Ultear I think any magic this guy "Zeref" will cast is a magic that "Aim to kill".

I really like the way Zeref cast his spell on HADES " HADES used the same one "hand signals" on Team Natsu". Mashima is really something to always connect things even if took chapters or arcs between them.

HADES http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/247/12

Zeref http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/250/8

Zeref really took my fully attention I forgot to read the next title. As some of us said this arc didn't end yet.

" A BELOVED QUALIFICATION" : Shift back to our guys on Tenrou Island to finish the S-class exam. Every1 will agree that Cana should become the S-class member, despite she saying that she doesn't deserve it. Maybe in the end of chapter will get something about whats coming I don't think so tho. I think it will be S-class results then shift to the Council members talking about Zeref saying Acnologia and then it will be the end of the chapter.

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if he was never asleep, then were has he been for the last 400 years?

Zeref said his body was cursed. Apparently this curse what made him treasure the life of humans as long he treasure humans life he can never be able to kill some1 " on purpose" or use his "Black magic" properly. But seems that HADES really pissed him off so much that he just don't give a damn anymore .

is Zeref a bad guy? No, there is something worse than Zeref something even Zeref himself scared of it. "Acnologia"

We can't assume that he was asleep this is why he's 400 years old. look @ Natsu & Gajeel are they in sleep mode as well ?

We will never know the answer about the age thing until we know something about Natsu or Gajeel past.

wooticus
September 11, 2011, 04:13 AM
this chapter was sure epic but i don't. but i already dare to guess now, that zeref will be partly defeated by fairy tail (lucy?) making him remember the weight of human life and thus lowering his powers.

but all in all a pretty ok explanation for zerefs loss of powers - but wow, he has to be really bored staying 400 years on this island (his cloths are in pretty good shape considering this ;) ).

as for acnologia... it may indeed be the black dragon... this could maybe lead to the natsu crying scene when he finally sees a dragon. Maybe he is even summoning ALL dragons?

but it still can be something totally different.. but i don't think so. if it isn't about summoning someone or something why would that spell come with a delay? Moreover the council members seem to know about it so it can't be a total mystery and related to the 100 years quest gildartz took. But on the other side gildarts quest wasn't about killing the black dragon as far as we know, he just happened to meet that guy on his journey

kakashidad
September 11, 2011, 04:22 AM
It's sunday and there's only one thing to say....''REPENT'' lol.That was an epic shot of zeref.And i think i'm alittle
wiser because of it.Ultear tried to commit suicide!! was she that remorseful.I think mashimo went alittle too far
there..still.It made for dramictic effect no?

No faires in this issue just the side players of this arc,And a load of zeref..i wonder if he's really scared of this ancologia..(spelling) I knew he was not going to lead grimorie heart..hell that guild is dead! I mean what could rustylee and the
fat perv do anyway lol.

Not alot i say,not alot.Laters i'm ghost.Peace.

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not a hundred percent sure wat was going on but im pretty sure mashima was trying to say there are two zerefs one tht refers to himself as ''arcnologia'' (i kno my spelling is terrible) and the other ''repentance'' ..................cause im pretty sure the last panels confirmed tht there r two zerefs

Lmfao...and this is why there are so many of you that get dissaponited by this title.You make ***t up.Noway can it be construde that there were or are two zeref(as in indivdual beings).That just was not conveyed in this or any other chapter...just saying like.

Rarhyx
September 11, 2011, 04:58 AM
This is one of the chapters which hold me still to read FT >.<
It was awesome :3

And I think "The black mage Zeref" isn't an evil guy like everyone think's.
In this chapter it look's like he is somethin like an "antihero" imo.
sadly his power relies on how much souls he take / humans he kill :S
about his "two sides" I think it's still one zeref but his natural personality is a cry baby like we saw earlier and when he snaps out he is a boss.
(like in this chapter.)

Ero-Sanji
September 11, 2011, 06:18 AM
We can't assume that he was asleep this is why he's 400 years old. look @ Natsu & Gajeel are they in sleep mode as well ?

That's just it, if he weren't asleep then were has he been. First of all were are all so focused on Natsua nd Gazille being over eighty but they could likewise be reincarnated statues, this is FT, crazy things are possible. Second, we know for a fact that the DS age as "normal" people do but Zeref has been the same from what we have heard of him. Lastly, Zeref has a memory which Natsu, Gazeel and Wendy hasn't. So I think there's a major question mark around this large gap.

Zeref himself talked about a so called "cult" that made up the key story, yet, for 400 hundred years no one has never heard of nor seen this man. Where has he been hiding and why did he show up at this moment? The only thing I can think of is that prophecy Makarov talked about with the gathering of three dragon slayers leading to some event. Anyway, this chapter was really deep and mysterious!

Ifrit
September 11, 2011, 07:05 AM
That's just it, if he weren't asleep then were has he been. First of all were are all so focused on Natsua nd Gazille being over eighty but they could likewise be reincarnated statues, this is FT, crazy things are possible. Second, we know for a fact that the DS age as "normal" people do but Zeref has been the same from what we have heard of him. Lastly, Zeref has a memory which Natsu, Gazeel and Wendy hasn't. So I think there's a major question mark around this large gap.

Zeref himself talked about a so called "cult" that made up the key story, yet, for 400 hundred years no one has never heard of nor seen this man. Where has he been hiding and why did he show up at this moment? The only thing I can think of is that prophecy Makarov talked about with the gathering of three dragon slayers leading to some event. Anyway, this chapter was really deep and mysterious!

Gajeel & Wendy are not related at all to Zeref and none of them stand a chance against him ( if it's true he's a dragon slayer ). Igneel prepared Natsu for the fight against Zeref apparently ...the scarf Igneel gave to Natsu can defend him against Zeref magic.

And if the thing in the last page is really the black dragon approaching Zeref. I sooooo see the end like Natsu + Zeref + Wendy + Gajeel Vs the black dragon

and of course this time Natsu = The Wind+metal+black+fire dragon slayer after all of them give him their powers xD

NOTE= If Laxus was there what the hell add the Lighting as well LOL

meepers4982
September 11, 2011, 07:35 AM
i find the the fact that zeref is scared of this arcnologia really interesting, it sounds very possible that it is the dragon that was mention in chapter 168 and also the panel before zeref saying so is from the sky looking in on hades ship. I hope it is the dragon. The thing with the dragon slayers is that wendy is different from the rest of them. Mashima stated that she is 12 years old while for gajeel and natsu he left the age blank, they also have the most mystery surrounding their past. Im hoping that soon there will be an arc explaining their past. We know for a fact they are over 80 years old.

kakashidad
September 11, 2011, 08:56 AM
That's just it, if he weren't asleep then were has he been. First of all were are all so focused on Natsua nd Gazille being over eighty but they could likewise be reincarnated statues, this is FT, crazy things are possible. Second, we know for a fact that the DS age as "normal" people do but Zeref has been the same from what we have heard of him. Lastly, Zeref has a memory which Natsu, Gazeel and Wendy hasn't. So I think there's a major question mark around this large gap.

Zeref himself talked about a so called "cult" that made up the key story, yet, for 400 hundred years no one has never heard of nor seen this man. Where has he been hiding and why did he show up at this moment? The only thing I can think of is that prophecy Makarov talked about with the gathering of three dragon slayers leading to some event. Anyway, this chapter was really deep and mysterious!

I like this post of yours alot...however there's one or two things i don't quite agree with...When you say DS ages
like normal human...well, no they don't lol.Just look at Makarov for instance..in this very arc. we get to see
what he looked like just 40 yrs ago...at that time.We don't know if natsu was apart of the guild yet..i'm assuming not.

Anyways i can't recall if it was the anime or the manga.Where we saw a young looking natsu..considering he's at
less 80 i'd have to say that the magic within the DS slows down time considerably compared to humans.

As for the ''cult'' zeref mentioned...any number of folks can form a cult...hell they said christianty was a cult.If you
get my drift.For all we know zeref could of been on tenrou island forever and was looking for solace with mavis?
Although i do like your take on fairytale aquiring 3 DS and this in itself been the trigger for zeref re-emergence.
This has a very high possiblity of ben accurate in my view...nice.

ca12nag3
September 11, 2011, 09:02 AM
Could someone tell us what those soundeffects are around Acnologia? I mean if its roars then its obviously a dragon :P Regardless of what kind. Another thing is that the council guys knew what it was and ran with their tails between their legs.
If its a dragon then the council hides information from the general public regarding magic and dragons. But that aint new :D

I loved the entire thing with Ultear and unlike some i dont find it cheap. And regarding the laxus/Ultear comparisson its not that far off. Both have a parent that made mistakes be it deliberate or not. Ul left her daughter behind with people she trusted she shouldnt have. And Ultear thought her mom forgot about her. And she left when she found out. Laxus father thinks less of his son, calls him a weakling. Its the main drive for him wanting a strong guild.

Anyways she found her happiness i think, with Meredy.

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i find the the fact that zeref is scared of this arcnologia really interesting, it sounds very possible that it is the dragon that was mention in chapter 168 and also the panel before zeref saying so is from the sky looking in on hades ship. I hope it is the dragon. The thing with the dragon slayers is that wendy is different from the rest of them. Mashima stated that she is 12 years old while for gajeel and natsu he left the age blank, they also have the most mystery surrounding their past. Im hoping that soon there will be an arc explaining their past. We know for a fact they are over 80 years old.

With all dragonslayers its unknown really, they are raised by dragons until the dragon disappeared. We do not know if they are semi immortal. That is that w/e the dragons did with them gave them long long life :D

sarutobi_sensei
September 11, 2011, 09:33 AM
Okay... soooo....

Zeref has always been awake and didn't want to use his power because he values human life. Wanna bet that it was because of Natsu and the other Dragon Slayers?

Urtear and Meldy moment was cute. Lets see them becoming friends with Fairy Tail now :D

Hades is apparently dead, Rustyrose and the other guy are probably the next ones. Zeref being scared of Acnologia is interesting, why would he be scared of it? What can it do? Can't wait for the next chapter.

Meepers4982 - well, I have a theory that all DS were alive 400 years ago, with the dragon's not being their former masters, but as their pets/partners, and used their power to stop something, Wendy using most of her power to make them revert into a childlike form that the dragon's then protected for hundreds of years until 7 years ago when they had to vanish. Why they had to vanish is connected to Layla of course.

exacta
September 11, 2011, 09:35 AM
Hades is dead......we didn't even get to see the extent of his powers. We didn't even get what I think was a good understanding of why he left Fairy Tail and what he saw, and what the hell the "Devil"s Eye" even is. We didn't even get to see these "keys" and we don't even know how Grimoire Heart collected them and their already useless. Mashima has pretty much buried Grimoire Heart in an ocean of his own excrements at this point. Not a bad chapter, but this wasn't the direction I was hoping this manga was going.....Grimoire Heart was an incredibly disappointing group of antagonists. And I get the feeling he'll probably do something to redeem Zeref later.

Acnologia could end up being a giant monster created to destroy the world like Endless was in Rave. The name and the context Zeref was using it in is starting to give me that vibe now actually.

And on another note, Urtear tried to freaking STAB HERSELF AND DROWN IN THE OCEAN!

Ya know. For kids.

eefrit
September 11, 2011, 09:58 AM
I am in-between on this chapter. I am highly disappointed in the way Hades was treated. It just doesn't sit right with me. While I didn't like the way he died, I do like the explanation Zeref gave on how his strength was held back. I'm hoping that he doesn't get the Hades treatment when his loss comes. As for Urtear and Meredy, I don't know how to feel about it. It seemed to...perfect? Happy? I don't know how to put it, but it was just to "fluffy" for my taste. And I usually like when villains repent. But this, along with Hades death, just didn't sit right with me. All in all, it was a decent chapter, but only because of Zeref's screen time.

mr.danly
September 11, 2011, 10:10 AM
Cool chapter (mostly because of Zeref)... Wasn't a huge fan of the Ultear and Meredy part, I would've been perfectly happy if Ultear had successfully committed suicide, but the whole "DON'T LEAVE ME I WUV YOUUUU" thing was definitely overkill. I snorted cereal out my nose because I was laughing when I saw that panel.

Acnologia seems to be the big mystery. What could it be? My guess is that it is (or is somehow related to) the black dragon that Gildartz lost his arm and leg to.

Rarhyx
September 11, 2011, 10:49 AM
I think Acnologia is something like etherion or this thing which ported ft to edolas (forgot the nam.. anima?)
because the council knows what Acnologia is...
and i don't think they know about a black dragon...

ErosVp
September 11, 2011, 11:25 AM
I didn't like what happened to Ultear. She was wasted like many others characters (Gerard, Mistgun, Hades), i thought Meldy could at least kill her and become the new female villain behind the scenes but no....

Zeref was pretty interesting. I said some chapters ago there was a war right? Now i'm really curious to see Zerefs connection with the dragon slayers, but more than anything i'm curious to see the background of what happened 400 years ago.... Shame we problaby won't see anything about it so soon...

kakashidad
September 11, 2011, 11:29 AM
@eefit
In regards to hades and how he was potrayed and died.I don't get the big fuss really?It was clear that he had
LOST his way,hence leaving ft in the first place.Makarov made him recall what he taught him in the last issue.
As for his death...well it looked like he just filled his shorts when zeref appeared.He had to die just for that lol.
Seriously though,He was well beaten up by the FAIRIES fact!And he had displayed the upper limits of his strenght.

What more could anyone have expected from him? I'm perfectly happy with how his demise came about..after all
it's a death right?probably not the one some wanted...shame that lol.

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I didn't like what happened to Ultear. She was wasted like many others characters (Gerard, Mistgun, Hades), i thought Meldy could at least kill her and become the new female villain behind the scenes but no....

Zeref was pretty interesting. I said some chapters ago there was a war right? Now i'm really curious to see Zerefs connection with the dragon slayers, but more than anything i'm curious to see the background of what happened 400 years ago.... Shame we problaby won't see anything about it so soon...

Two out of the three you name...are in fact semblaces of zeref or have you not made that connection yet?...just asking like.

kkck
September 11, 2011, 11:38 AM
I like this post of yours alot...however there's one or two things i don't quite agree with...When you say DS ages
like normal human...well, no they don't lol.Just look at Makarov for instance..in this very arc. we get to see
what he looked like just 40 yrs ago...at that time.We don't know if natsu was apart of the guild yet..i'm assuming not.

Anyways i can't recall if it was the anime or the manga.Where we saw a young looking natsu..considering he's at
less 80 i'd have to say that the magic within the DS slows down time considerably compared to humans.

As for the ''cult'' zeref mentioned...any number of folks can form a cult...hell they said christianty was a cult.If you
get my drift.For all we know zeref could of been on tenrou island forever and was looking for solace with mavis?
Although i do like your take on fairytale aquiring 3 DS and this in itself been the trigger for zeref re-emergence.
This has a very high possiblity of ben accurate in my view...nice.

Natsu has aged normally since he joined fairy tail though. Rather than natsu aging at a different rate, I would think he was kept sleeping while not aging for a couple hundred years.

ErosVp
September 11, 2011, 11:47 AM
Two out of the three you name...are in fact semblaces of zeref or have you not made that connection yet?...just asking like.

If Zeref is going to have a war against the world again, he could've used some talented villains for his army. Ultear redemption was cheap and predictable...

Ero-Sanji
September 11, 2011, 12:07 PM
I like this post of yours alot...however there's one or two things i don't quite agree with...When you say DS ages
like normal human...well, no they don't lol.Just look at Makarov for instance..in this very arc. we get to see
what he looked like just 40 yrs ago...at that time.We don't know if natsu was apart of the guild yet..i'm assuming not.

Anyways i can't recall if it was the anime or the manga.Where we saw a young looking natsu..considering he's at
less 80 i'd have to say that the magic within the DS slows down time considerably compared to humans.

As for the ''cult'' zeref mentioned...any number of folks can form a cult...hell they said christianty was a cult.If you
get my drift.For all we know zeref could of been on tenrou island forever and was looking for solace with mavis?
Although i do like your take on fairytale aquiring 3 DS and this in itself been the trigger for zeref re-emergence.
This has a very high possiblity of ben accurate in my view...nice.

1. The aging topic.

Natsu and the others are ageing like everyone else, remember Natsu as a toddler with Igneel or just look at Wendy... And no, Natsu was not a part of the guild, If I remember correctly Natsu even joined after Gray and yes they were younger and smaller. This is also the reason why I'm leaning more toward the statue rather than the +80 theory. I'm guessing they were reincarnated by the dragons breath or something like that.

2. The "Cult" topic.

What you said is just it, anyone could be part of a cult that's why I find it so strange that no one has ever found him for the last 4 centuries. If he was just wandering on Tenrou island then Mavis, Hades or Makarov would have found him along time ago, since I highly doubt this is the first time any of them visited this island. However, there's still the boy who stared at the ocean or whatever and there's still a possibility that Zeref was a part of FT and that's why he knew were the island were positioned.

Atobe the king
September 11, 2011, 12:10 PM
If Zeref is going to have a war against the world again, he could've used some talented villains for his army. Ultear redemption was cheap and predictable...

Huh? So whats she supposed to do? what would be her motivation to continue being a villain? Yeah her joining zerefs big bad army wouldn't be cheap and predictable in the slightest :^_^. And lol@wasted. Manga isn't quite over yet if you haven't noticed we don't know whats become of these characters you never know what he'll do with these characters. And i must be the only one who can't give two ****s about hades and is glad he's gone.

masgrande
September 11, 2011, 01:30 PM
The end of the chapter said Zeref was scare of Acnologia, but is he really afraid of it because is something stronger than him or could it be that he is afraid of it because it could destroy the world? The next arc might be about Zeref, Acnologia and the Dragon Slayers and we might finally get some information about the DS's past and their relation to Zeref, but going by the title of the next chapter it looks like it might focus on the fearies and not on Zeref.

ShoobyDooBop
September 11, 2011, 05:38 PM
Huh? So whats she supposed to do? what would be her motivation to continue being a villain? Yeah her joining zerefs big bad army wouldn't be cheap and predictable in the slightest :^_^. And lol@wasted. Manga isn't quite over yet if you haven't noticed we don't know whats become of these characters you never know what he'll do with these characters. And i must be the only one who can't give two ****s about hades and is glad he's gone.

Glade there is some who also doesn't give a shit about Hades. I don't care how he died. The guy deserved it.

BTW, where the heck is Bluenote? Still flying?

eefrit
September 11, 2011, 05:59 PM
On Hades, I expected more because he was the former master of Fairy Tail. They could have left out that aspect of the arc and nothing would have changed. It would have just been another big bad taken down. But the entrance they gave him hyped him up to be stronger than Marakov. It had seemed like he knew everything about magic. They never really explored more into his background. He just...left. Then died. This is the same a Zero. We knew nothing of his background and his other motives. He was just there to be evil. And he only became a threat when his other personality(which had no explanation, I might add) appeared. But then he was defeated and we never went back to him. I don't even think he was arrested. And don't get me started on Bluenote.

My main point is, I would like villains to be more than just villains. I want them to be explored and not just appear only to look menacing. This chapter gave Urtear a decent send off, why not the main guy who was a part of the stories main guild's history?

Also, if you keep a villain alive, please don't keep him alive just for fan service. I'm looking at you, Gerard.

1337 haxor
September 11, 2011, 07:55 PM
Bluenote is still a mistery, he was deputy commander of GH but I doubt he was part of the guild in the long term.

He himself said he couldn't care less about Zeref and that he was in Tenrou Island only for getting Fairy Glitter.

In my humble opinion that guy is a merc, the fact he didn't came back to the GH ship reinforces that theory.

It could be much to ask but maybe in the end we will see him departuring with a Tartaros task force after acquiring what Tartaros paid him for. I can totally see him being a double agent for another dark guild.

If not then perhaps Mashima will make him crash the graduation ceremony only for Cana to fry him with Fairy Glitter. That would be quite a comic reedemption for her.

RaveDragon
September 12, 2011, 03:55 AM
Thats kinda dissapointing the way hades didnt do some pheonix rising and payback for ft :/ but there seems to be bad moments for Zeref, whatever acknologia is its evil and trouble and seems to be taking over. I have no idea whats going to happen now though, im completely and utterly lost but i liked the ultear and meredy moment ^^

swordsaintscoot
September 12, 2011, 06:25 AM
wouldn't it be a kick in the nuts if acnologia was the black dragons name this whole time?

kkck
September 12, 2011, 05:32 PM
^Well, at large that has always been mashima's style. He introduces bad guys and they get defeated. Even in rave the only lasting bad guy was lucia and half the oracion 6 ended up converted.

I do think there is a good chance we will see hades and zancrow once again though. Hades seemed to have absorbed their souls but it would not be so strange if they reappeared revived as demons or something. I also think we are eventually going to see what exactly drove hades to this. Once the manga provides a better explanation of magic then perhaps we could understand why hades was driven into this insanity. Rustyrose and Kain are pretty much alive too and I doubt they have outright given up on the whole magical world thing so it is likely we will see them again (unless they are killed which is also likely).

hoeru
September 15, 2011, 06:27 PM
don't know if it would fit better into the last chapters threads but... do you think that azuma may return after ultear restored the tenro tree? ö_Ö

Krono
September 15, 2011, 10:54 PM
don't know if it would fit better into the last chapters threads but... do you think that azuma may return after ultear restored the tenro tree? ö_Ö

Probably not. He's got better potential for returning than say Zancrow, Zoldeo, or at this point Hades, as he's technically alive and theoretically something could cause him to revert to being a human. Even so, him turning into a tree was pretty much a way of killing him off that was not too graphic and ambiguous enough that Mashima could bring him back if he really wanted to, but it was still killing him off.

•Sasuke•
September 16, 2011, 09:54 AM
fairy tail 251 spoiler pics

click here 7 pics out (http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=15374954&p=333002920)

sarutobi_sensei
September 16, 2011, 09:59 AM
Hey look the exceeds :D

Kana tells Guildartz that she's his daughter... Guildartz crying is interesting :D

Black Dragon? Please???!!!!!

Ifrit
September 16, 2011, 10:03 AM
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....I wish you guys didn't say anything...I hope the english subs won't take long like last week ..sigh

hehehe look like I hit the spot....Acnologia is the name of the black dragon xDDD:super

Ero-Sanji
September 16, 2011, 10:11 AM
Acnologia is beautiful!

Much better than Metallicana that looks like blue eyes white dragon and Grandine with all that fur. Igneel is like the typical dragon so no complaints about him. Anyway, the Japanese are really not that sensitive as us Swedes, those pictures of Lucy are really for the mature and possibly not for children of 12 years old.

oniichan powaa
September 16, 2011, 11:03 AM
So, it's almost confirm that Acnologia is the black dragon (?) which brings the end of this age.
It makes sense then that the dragons taught humans 'dragon-slaying' magic...
It must have been the counter measure against this particular dragon.
Does this mean that the other dragons are actually acting as 'guardians' of the world?
Heh, we might even get to see them soon. I bet it's in this very arc.

mak123
September 16, 2011, 11:12 AM
So, it's almost confirm that Acnologia is the black dragon (?) which brings the end of this age.
It makes sense then that the dragons taught humans 'dragon-slaying' magic...
It must have been the counter measure against this particular dragon.
Does this mean that the other dragons are actually acting as 'guardians' of the world?
Heh, we might even get to see them soon. I bet it's in this very arc.

It doesn't seem a dragon IMHO... I think it's more like ades' demons...

lordoffantasy
September 16, 2011, 12:06 PM
looks like someone spills the beans on one side, either kana or gildartz actyually knew the whole damn time.
holy shit, the black dragon that gildartz mentioend msut be acnologia. sun of a bitch, that is crazy. good work, out dear author. and its heading for tenrou.
i think i know what is gonna happen. just a theory, jsut a theory, but i think makarov will die holding back acnologia so his children can escape from it.

kkck
September 16, 2011, 12:21 PM
Well, the creature could be a demon summoned by hades as deliora was but I guess the black dragon scenario is the more likely one. Nice to have spoilers thoguh.

masgrande
September 16, 2011, 01:03 PM
That is the wierdest dragon I have ever seen and it looks like it has feathers. If Acnologia is the reason that the world goes into chaos why to all the dragons want to prevent Zeref from coming back, can Zeref control Acnologia or does Acnologia awakens because Zeref is at full power?

Darjaille
September 16, 2011, 02:58 PM
Mwahahaha, so Zeref is DS and Acnologia is his dragon (<--looks like that, though nothing comfirmed). I knew it all along :toc

The scene with Gil and Cana is pretty nice, I like how he starts to remember her, form the young age.

And, I did not complain with friendship powerboosts or anything, but I'll complain about this fanservice. Too much. Just too much.:-_-

__________
Soooo....
It looks like it's not over for Fairy Tail at Fairy Island? WIth Acnologia heading there...
They have rested and now they can start all over again eh?
I just want to see Zeref (possibly with Acnologia)-Natsu-Lucy-other DSs meeting. It's coming~

sarutobi_sensei
September 16, 2011, 03:07 PM
Aww damn the thing appears on the last page xD We won't know what it is (most likely) until the next chapter.

But I'm kinda sure that it's Acnologia, the Black Dragon. Could the 3 Dragon Slayers stand a chance if aided by Guildartz and the rest of them while on their magical island? Or will it be too much for them to handle at this time?

Could the other dragons come to help? :D

kkck
September 16, 2011, 03:16 PM
Gildarts could not really defend from the dragon at all, he got defeated in a split second. The rest of the people in the island should be useless for the most part. Only spells which I think could affect the dragon are fairy law and perhaps fairy glitter if it ever gets actually used.

Darjaille
September 16, 2011, 03:22 PM
Aww damn the thing appears on the last page xD We won't know what it is (most likely) until the next chapter.

But I'm kinda sure that it's Acnologia, the Black Dragon. Could the 3 Dragon Slayers stand a chance if aided by Guildartz and the rest of them while on their magical island? Or will it be too much for them to handle at this time?

Could the other dragons come to help? :D

The last page says something about Destruction coming, but I guess it's possible we won't get 100% explicit confirmation...

Also, anyone can see Cana using FGlitter once she has confessed to Gil? I don't believe Fairy Glitter is going to be forgotten just like that.

Next chapter (as in, in a week), I predict Zeref meeting Lucy. It has to happen once :XD. Let's pray it's this arc. I wanna know if he'll recognize Layla in Lucy. Really really want to know.

Ifrit
September 16, 2011, 03:27 PM
Gildarts could not really defend from the dragon at all, he got defeated in a split second. The rest of the people in the island should be useless for the most part. Only spells which I think could affect the dragon are fairy law and perhaps fairy glitter if it ever gets actually used.

I agree with you..it's too soon to predict for the next next week chapter :P, but this is Cana chance to shine this is where she will use Fairy Glitter I don't think any of the dragon slayers can stand a chance against Acnologia. But now that it's 99% confirmed Acnologia is the black dragon now

2 things on my mind:

1-Natsu crying ( Mashima did not draw it wrong it's just not like him it's coming soon)

2-Boy stare at the sea ( it's definitely Romeo)

Maybe Fairy Glitter will give them time to escape or protect them from what Acnologia is gonna cast or attack with.

Note: Please do not kill Gildartz or Makarov !!! kill Natsu if u want just keep those 2 alive I like them.

uglymonkey
September 16, 2011, 06:33 PM
Maybe Fairy Glitter will give them time to escape or protect them from what Acnologia is gonna cast or attack with.

Note: Please do not kill Gildartz or Makarov !!! kill Natsu if u want just keep those 2 alive I like them.

Speak for yourself! kill Lucy, or Erza even, but leave Natsu alone. Back to the chapter though, I hope Fairy Glitter never gets used again especially by someone like Cana. Even if it did get used I hope it wouldn't effect the black dragon, if there's magic powerful enough to effect them there's no point for dragon slayer.

coolerthanzerok
September 16, 2011, 06:35 PM
Frankly, I don't think that's either the Black Dragon OR Acnologia. I think Acnologia is something that makes Zeref properly evil, causing him to "acknowledge" the worthlessness of human lives. Or something. So that bird demon thing looks a lot like the demons of rubble Hades made, and Hades was basically just mimicking Zeref with the living magic. I don't think this is proper confirmation of a black dragon. Could I be wrong? Definitely. But I'm still not convinced of that having anything to do with the black dragon.

LanceX
September 16, 2011, 07:00 PM
Why doesnt Gildarts know Cana is his daughter? He think she died?

Also, Lucy Fanservice = :D

kkck
September 16, 2011, 08:19 PM
The impression I got is that acknologia in itself was a type of magic. It kinda appears to be a sentient type of magic though. Zeref was said to use living magic of sorts which would make sense overall....

Kazu-Sama
September 16, 2011, 08:25 PM
My guess is Gil dies fighting the demon/dragon thing, and Cana gains the strength to use Fairy Glitter which repels it for long enough for people to escape.... If Natsu beats the dragon now I won't be happy...

Atobe the king
September 16, 2011, 09:13 PM
@coolerthanzerok I agree...don't think it's either....but that "dragon" looks like it was in the position to shoot the dragonhameha. Hopefully the chapter is up soon.

If Gil is going to die we better see all that he's capable of first...hate premature deaths.


@Darjaille i don't think you were the intended audience :P, read somewhere that mashima only draws the girls that way to appeal to his target audience.

Ifrit
September 17, 2011, 02:03 AM
It's here !!

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/71278741/1

hahahaha...LOL @ Laxus + Lisanna

I guess we can remove the possibility of Fairy Glitter or anything or some1 to stand against Acnologia ( Sorry but 99% it is the black dragon).

But one thing for sure Lucy survived to tell the story from what Acnologia did to the island I don't think they will even see it I think it will just destroy the Island and disappear..make me worried about the others.

Gildartz trying to protect Cana from Acnologia or I got this feeling that the one who gonna get damaged from this is Natsu then Romeo wearing Natsu cloths because once he saved his father

not saying Natsu will die ( but maybe everyone will think he did).

some1 here posted a date that appeared on the newspaper now we have 784. what was the date on the newspaper ??? I forgot

Ero-Sanji
September 17, 2011, 02:30 AM
Hilarious chapter and Gildartz sure is a travelling man!
Loved the comedy in this chapter but yet again Natsu gets trashed in comedic relief.

So the island does get destroyed but it's safe to assume that Lucy lived to tell the tale and I'm assuming everyone else did as well. I could see a slight possibility of Gildartz sacrificing himself on the behalf of the guild should this acnologia be the dark dragon.

Darjaille
September 17, 2011, 02:35 AM
Humor again? I liked this one chapter even more than the one before that. :darn
Aww at the ending of Cana and Gil, it seems she's going to go on hard missions from now - unless Gildartz dies this arc (what mustn't happen:yelling)
Also, it seems like we won't see Fairy Glitter in a near future.. Probably it was wasted on someone like Cana. I think, if we're seeing it again, Lucy will somehow get it.

Sorry, but I still think it's a dragon. It kinda reminded me of Toothless :XD I just noticed the tail for steering.
We'll see next chapter, and next chapter's going to kick-ass!!:amuse

chess4
September 17, 2011, 02:37 AM
i just thought about something.....kana and gildartz is together with lucy, happy, and natsu watching. Remember charles flashback about kana and natsu crying. who know how we all thought markorov was going to die, but what if its gildartz who is the one killed

it would make sense since natus and kana were the only ones seen crying and they are together. Lucy is the one narrating, so she cant die and the hand was human so its not happy. Damn i really liked gildartz too, i hope he doesnt die but i think he is

MAX_COLA_POWER!
September 17, 2011, 02:40 AM
The way that last narration sounded, it looked like Acnologia destroyed the island AFTER everyone left. The Prideful Brats isn't exactly a title that screams FT vs. Black Dragon. Also, chess, Natsu crying=his reaction in his fight with Gildarts. Cana crying=realizing in front of Mavis' grave that she abandoned her friends.

lordoffantasy
September 17, 2011, 02:41 AM
Hilarious chapter and Gildartz sure is a travelling man!
Loved the comedy in this chapter but yet again Natsu gets trashed in comedic relief.

So the island does get destroyed but it's safe to assume that Lucy lived to tell the tale and I'm assuming everyone else did as well. I could see a slight possibility of Gildartz sacrificing himself on the behalf of the guild should this acnologia be the dark dragon.

i am pretyt sure the likes of erza, natsu, and the other younger mages get through this. however, this thing, whether it is a dragon or not, is here to bring the end of an age, this age of relative peace. this monster is not only a deadly threat, but a living plot point. the world is gonna change, and fairy tail may have to stand up to it. they are the next generation, the inheritors of the next age, nomatter how dark it may be. and makarov will not let them die without a fight.

why does everyone keep on saying, kill natsu, kill erza, or lucy? if they were killed off now, what point would there be to creating them to begin with? makraov would not allow it, no matter what length he must go. or gildarts, who finally realizes he has a family. and lucy's little diary entry like comments are a indication that they are not obliterated; even in rave master, the super powered enemy could not kill off the weaker heroes like it was nothing.

wooticus
September 17, 2011, 03:14 AM
I totally agree with ifrit, this has to be acnologia, the black dragon. All in all an entertaining chapter with a bit too much fanservice maybe. The arc seemed to end like it began - with lucy and cana fooling around naked.

Now for gildarts.. after him getting to know his daughter and considering his past encounter with the black dragon.. there might be indeed a chance for him to go down. I really love him but he has some major disadvantages for the arc, especially being too powerful. Because he is in another league than natsu and the rest you would always have to find an enemy that's much stronger than the rest of fairty tail. And then you have to take him out in the fight against the main villain because natsu has to defeat him. So unless natsu becomes stronger than gildarts Mashima has to find away to keep him away from fights (the other reasons are that he basically can't do anything but pulverizing his enemies to pieces). Killing him would be an easy way out. But then on the other side no member of FT dies, can't see gildarts being the first one. I also can't see makarov holding him off, that dragon would shred everyone to pieces. We go 3 or 4 (if you count laxus in) dragon slayers, but i hardly doubt they'll be able to defeat the dragon yet.

So my prediction. Next chapter mostly talking, a bit of zeref, maybe between him and acnologia. And then.. i guess the only "things" that can save FT are the other dragons, reappearing. The thing that's bothering me. If acnologia is the bringer of the destruction of the world, why would it rest to give time for other arcs? it would probably start with the destruction right away. So i really can't see anything but the dragon reappearing and acnologia / zeref stating that he's yet not strong enought to beat those (for zeref being the black dragon slayer and the one who can defeat igneel and so on).

natsu crying wouldn't be because of pain. he will cry because he will meet igneel.

Atobe the king
September 17, 2011, 03:17 AM
The "meeting" was pretty endearing...i even forgot how disappointed i was with her a while back. My god Gidarltz gets around. Also i don't think they've left yet....this arc still isnt over it seems.

goldb
September 17, 2011, 03:24 AM
The bit with Gildarts reactionto having a daughter and him trying to recall who her mother is was hilarious :lmao and the scene after that when they hug was pretty sweet too.

If that dragon is the Acnologia then it sure looks like some legendary pokemon :amuse

kakashidad
September 17, 2011, 03:33 AM
i just thought about something.....kana and gildartz is together with lucy, happy, and natsu watching. Remember charles flashback about kana and natsu crying. who know how we all thought markorov was going to die, but what if its gildartz who is the one killed

it would make sense since natus and kana were the only ones seen crying and they are together. Lucy is the one narrating, so she cant die and the hand was human so its not happy. Damn i really liked gildartz too, i hope he doesnt die but i think he is

I like your post alot.I too have been giving it some thought,as to just who dies in charlies dream/vision.
I'am however hoping it's kana and not gildartz that bites it.Not because she useless or a women.I just think that the story would be better served with Gildartz still in it...along with Natsu and Makarov.

If i recall charlies vision correctly,then it's a females hand that's displayed looking lifeless.Not a males.Such
a emotional event would imo.make GILDARTZ show his absolute strenghts and this time have a much better
result against the black dragon..if indeed it is the black dragon.I think it's a dragon don't get me wrong.However
i think there are at leeast seven dragons.And this one would make the fourth one to be revaled to us at this time?

Anyways,it should be another epic arc.We have four s-class mages already present along with Makarov and the
strongest guild members..It can be nothing short of epic imo,,,honestly.

Absolutely a great issue,And gildartz is mister lover lover lmao.The humor was fantastic,i won't mention the
bathing scene..hold on i just did..a little.:p
peace.

Ero-Sanji
September 17, 2011, 03:38 AM
i am pretyt sure the likes of erza, natsu, and the other younger mages get through this. however, this thing, whether it is a dragon or not, is here to bring the end of an age, this age of relative peace. this monster is not only a deadly threat, but a living plot point. the world is gonna change, and fairy tail may have to stand up to it. they are the next generation, the inheritors of the next age, nomatter how dark it may be. and makarov will not let them die without a fight.

why does everyone keep on saying, kill natsu, kill erza, or lucy? if they were killed off now, what point would there be to creating them to begin with? makraov would not allow it, no matter what length he must go. or gildarts, who finally realizes he has a family. and lucy's little diary entry like comments are a indication that they are not obliterated; even in rave master, the super powered enemy could not kill off the weaker heroes like it was nothing.

I'm not sure why you quoted me at all. All I said was that I can see a future with our Gildartz nothing about the death of the regulars...

DEATHBOTT
September 17, 2011, 03:50 AM
i don't get the panel of zeref on the last page. is he looking on from somewhere or something?

Newkerzy
September 17, 2011, 04:03 AM
Gildartz, you damn playboy, you.....:XD another great chapter again and next chapter will be something look forward to after the disappointing climax of this arc.

EDIT: it looks like the similarities between Jiraiya and Gildartz seems to be more evident now than ever. Except that Gildartz really DID sleep with a lot of women in this case.

ghostexiled
September 17, 2011, 04:12 AM
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Sollum
September 17, 2011, 04:17 AM
Well, this chapter begun on page 20 and ended up on 21, at least for me.

I was thinking of this one crazy theory... Remember the boy on shore with FT mark? Remember Zeref saying "this cursed body"? What if that kid was Mavis, who fought Zeref at Tenrou Island, and in the end he gave up his body, in order to seal Zeref's consciousness in it, and cursing it, whilst merging with Tenrou Island in the mean time.

That would explain a lot of things, like "Mavis Grave". Yet the only mismatch thing here would be years.

Also, i doubt Acnologia can be killed, it has those strange fiery patterns on itself... It reminds me of Pheonix. God i surely hope it's not one of those "I live as long as there is hate in hearths of people! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH" crap...

RaveDragon
September 17, 2011, 04:52 AM
Why am i not surprised Gil is a playboy c: :yay Kana and Gil finally had their moment and im glad it wasnt skipped and it seems Lucy might talk to her father after this but that means the arc hasnt ended yet =D We were mucho right ^^

And we're finally meeting a dragon! so is he acnologia cuz there was something coming to the island when zeref called it that and her now the black dragon! Another hint zeref might be the black dragon slayer :/

I wonder why he came though is it so blood thirsty it needs to end Gil or is he looking for zeref who seems to still be on the island.

Well all we have left is Natsu crying, and the boy staring at the sea as well as Lucys imp part and her narrating of the source of magic.
This twist i didnt expect so im completely out of predictions apart from someone will probably die and i do agree things point to Gildarts :crying damn hes one of my favs hope we're wrong.

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i don't get the panel of zeref on the last page. is he looking on from somewhere or something?

He saw the dragon who i think is acnologia or felt him coming i believe

Shake
September 17, 2011, 04:53 AM
Is it possible that the dragon is the one which Gildartz lost his arm and organs to? Before he came back he was hunting an insane strong creature and failed that mission.

RaveDragon
September 17, 2011, 05:03 AM
Is it possible that the dragon is the one which Gildartz lost his arm and organs to? Before he came back he was hunting an insane strong creature and failed that mission.

Its him i think i mean its a black drahon and Gil was talking about a black dragon who attacked him, doubt mashima would bring a different black dragon in ^^

Darjaille
September 17, 2011, 05:05 AM
Is it possible that the dragon is the one which Gildartz lost his arm and organs to? Before he came back he was hunting an insane strong creature and failed that mission.

Well, that's what a lot of us think.

This made me actually remember that Gil and Acnologia have met. That time, Gil escaped, but I'm really worried this won't be the case again. :crying

_____________________
But yeah, makes you think what does Zeref want to do there? I thought maybe the dragon is just going to pick up Zeref and they'll go away, but we are getting destruction of Fairy Island, so...
Anyway, setup is good (Natsu (+Happy), Lucy (Layla's inmportance), Gil (possible victim) and Kana (possible OMG-you-killed-my-father-power-up). Natsu needs to spot Acnologia and Gil needs to confirm it's really the black dragon.
Funny how all the dragonslayers are apart (maybe except Wendy, she's with Laxus, but I don't take him like a real dragonslayer important to the DS plot). Coincidence or not so?

I wonder, how are they all going to survive this.. no way Acnologia or Zeref dies this arc, no way main charas die this arc.

Nike Takeuchi
September 17, 2011, 05:14 AM
Really interesting theory Sollum!! Zeref appearing on the sacred island of FT was weird to begin with... This S-class Exam arc ended but went on to something big during these past chapters. can't wait for the new battle:)

Fê - forever alone
September 17, 2011, 05:23 AM
I don’t think Gil will die anytime soon. I mean, it’d be so awkward since he just happened to know he has a daughter. I can’t see that coming, I just can’t.

But I can see Makarov dying. His death would cause a lot more commotion on the magic world. His death would truly bring the end of an age for Fairy Tail, not only for the guild…

I love Makarov, and I think his death would mean something much more important than any other death in this manga, of course, excluding the protagonists.

I dare say it could easily be compared to Shirohige's in OP, considering only the possible outcomes that could happen.
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Well, love the chapter and Cana is so cute that I can’t help but fall in love for her, again, I must say, lol.

BTW, did you guys see the anime? Romeo had too much spotlight when Makarov was presenting the S-class trial.

I think, that maybe, he was that boy staring at the see. Why? I don’t really know, lol.

sarutobi_sensei
September 17, 2011, 06:25 AM
Lol @ Natsu being drilled into the tree xD Lol again @ Laxus being like is it really you??? xD

A mans romance xD Haha Guildartz is so funny with Natsu and when he started saying all those women names hahahahaha I knew he was a playboy xD

So the island is going to be destroyed by that thing. That flashback sure looks even more insteresting now.

Right now after reading the chapter I think that thing is one of hades's creatures... Because of the title for next chapter only really.

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On another note, YEY Cana lost Fairy Glitter!

Ifrit
September 17, 2011, 06:37 AM
Well, this chapter begun on page 20 and ended up on 21, at least for me.

I was thinking of this one crazy theory... Remember the boy on shore with FT mark? Remember Zeref saying "this cursed body"? What if that kid was Mavis, who fought Zeref at Tenrou Island, and in the end he gave up his body, in order to seal Zeref's consciousness in it, and cursing it, whilst merging with Tenrou Island in the mean time.

That would explain a lot of things, like "Mavis Grave". Yet the only mismatch thing here would be years.

Also, i doubt Acnologia can be killed, it has those strange fiery patterns on itself... It reminds me of Pheonix. God i surely hope it's not one of those "I live as long as there is hate in hearths of people! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH" crap...

Dude why would Mavis be wearing Natsu cloths ?

if my prediction is right ....every1 will return safe except for Natsu ( he won't die but he will do something stupid and everyone will think he died) so this is Romeo wanna be like Natsu because he look up to him ever since he saved his father.

kakashidad
September 17, 2011, 06:47 AM
Oh,i'm loving this issue..what's more important than that is..there's another date in this one.x796.And considring
the age of the ds especially natsu and gazille.Wendy can come into this too.We know for a fact that they all lost
their dragons on 7.7.7...man!if i'm not looking at this lope-sided.Then that makes them well over 700 yrs old.
LOL,they need to regain their memories and quick(although that won't help the pace of the manga).

Gildartz is Mr lover lover,cool lol.But he's responsible i'm liking that.And he knows that there's so much more to
come from natsu growth.I'm really hoping it's not him depicted in charlie prediction.I think it's Cana.
And makarov just owned natsu with one punch pmsl.Where was that against hades...ah forget it.I know what
happened there tbh,no use going over old ground tbh,Laters.

---------- Post added at 05:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:37 AM ----------


Well, this chapter begun on page 20 and ended up on 21, at least for me.

I was thinking of this one crazy theory... Remember the boy on shore with FT mark? Remember Zeref saying "this cursed body"? What if that kid was Mavis, who fought Zeref at Tenrou Island, and in the end he gave up his body, in order to seal Zeref's consciousness in it, and cursing it, whilst merging with Tenrou Island in the mean time.

That would explain a lot of things, like "Mavis Grave". Yet the only mismatch thing here would be years.

Also, i doubt Acnologia can be killed, it has those strange fiery patterns on itself... It reminds me of Pheonix. God i surely hope it's not one of those "I live as long as there is hate in hearths of people! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH" crap...

That is one very good insightful theory Sollum.At first when i commented on that picture many issue
ago.I thought two things,It's Romeo or it was zeref.The only thing i need to eliminate those thoughts
are the dates of mavis death or more importantly the date of Fairy tails cconstruction..how old is that guild?

Remember the picture in question of a possible young Mavis or zeref has a Tail tattoo which is quite visable.Have you anymore thoughts along those lines?

Zehahaha
September 17, 2011, 07:14 AM
It looks like the Black Dragon, but what if this Black Dragon is like Endless in Rave ? The way Zeref was talking about it makes me think that is similar to that.

Sollum
September 17, 2011, 07:31 AM
Dude why would Mavis be wearing Natsu cloths ?

I would love to rephrase that
"Dude, why would Natsu be wearing Mavis cloth?"


That is one very good insightful theory Sollum.At first when i commented on that picture many issue
ago.I thought two things,It's Romeo or it was zeref.The only thing i need to eliminate those thoughts
are the dates of mavis death or more importantly the date of Fairy tails cconstruction..how old is that guild?

Remember the picture in question of a possible young Mavis or zeref has a Tail tattoo which is quite visable.Have you anymore thoughts along those lines?

Yeah, i do.

For all we know, Ignell was the one that gave Natsu scarf.
Now imagine Dragons and Mavis fighting against rogue dragon Acnologia and her pupil Zeref.
As final act of "human sacrifice", Mavis offers his body to deal with Zeref, Acnologia flees away, and scarf is being given to Igneel.

I think that what really happened at year 777 was that all dragons where banished with help of Layla.

And we may finally know what is the purpose of Dragon Slayers... to kill Acnologia. Zeref might be just ex student of her, not dragon slayer.

I am referring to Acnologia as "her", because she would be a great villain! Females are usually shown as life bringers (for obvious reasons lol), now imagine how badass would be "lifetaker" female.

ca12nag3
September 17, 2011, 07:48 AM
@coolerthanzerok I agree...don't think it's either....but that "dragon" looks like it was in the position to shoot the dragonhameha. Hopefully the chapter is up soon.

If Gil is going to die we better see all that he's capable of first...hate premature deaths.


@Darjaille i don't think you were the intended audience :P, read somewhere that mashima only draws the girls that way to appeal to his target audience.

I agree! :D Why dont girls complain about Grey showing up with nothing but abs+FTtattoo? :D

Oh and i do think its the black dragon, too those that think it looks weird... did you look at Gajeels and Wendys dragon...they dont look weird? lol.

As for possible death hmm i can only see Gil or Makarov take the responsibility to take on a opponent that dangerous. Anyways as master and SS-class its their responsibility to take care of the young ones (so to speak)

Ifrit
September 17, 2011, 07:58 AM
I would love to rephrase that
"Dude, why would Natsu be wearing Mavis cloth?"

I like ur theory, it might be close for some of the things said in series.

400 years ago the war Zeref talked about is the War ur talking about Dragons + Mavis.

But Grandine (Wendy Dragon) said something to Igneel that she can't wait for Natsu to meet Wendy, so "this time" more friendly relationship will be established. what did Grandine meant by this time...was there a time before that Zeref + Wendy + Gajeel + Natsu met.

(Why did Natsu told Gray that he heard the name Wendy before ,but he didn't remember Gajeel name)

This is faaaar from ever to happen ,but if the kid is not Romeo. and Fairy Tail is really old very old Guild..then what if Igneel raised a kid before Natsu and that kid died {Grandine to Igneel" this child of urs take things to excess , like some1 else perhaps"} although she might mean by the some1 else is Igneel him self not another kid Igneel trained before Natsu

kakashidad
September 17, 2011, 08:16 AM
{Grandine to Igneel" this child of urs take things to excess , like some1 else perhaps"} although she might mean by the some1 else is Igneel him self not another kid Igneel trained before Natsu

I like where your going with this if i can help i'd like to add this to the quote i've highlighted...
The other person to take things to excess must be in my opinion ZEREF?i'm thinking igneel did
not take too kindly to that comparison...just saying.:D

Naruffy
September 17, 2011, 08:23 AM
Lol, Gildarts has been spreading his seeds throughout the world of Fairy Tail. But on a more serious note, Everybody is still on right? If this beast is as powerful a I expect, they'll have to leave/run away; I don't think anyone has enough strength left to fight that thing, unless they somehow pull it off together.

kakashidad
September 17, 2011, 08:23 AM
I would love to rephrase that
"Dude, why would Natsu be wearing Mavis cloth?"



Yeah, i do.

For all we know, Ignell was the one that gave Natsu scarf.
Now imagine Dragons and Mavis fighting against rogue dragon Acnologia and her pupil Zeref.
As final act of "human sacrifice", Mavis offers his body to deal with Zeref, Acnologia flees away, and scarf is being given to Igneel.

I think that what really happened at year 777 was that all dragons where banished with help of Layla.

And we may finally know what is the purpose of Dragon Slayers... to kill Acnologia. Zeref might be just ex student of her, not dragon slayer.

I am referring to Acnologia as "her", because she would be a great villain! Females are usually shown as life bringers (for obvious reasons lol), now imagine how badass would be "lifetaker" female.

Dude your impressing me even more...Los used to be like this lol.What we do know is that Igneel DID in fact
give Natsu his scaf.And we've seen that it protected natsu from the brunt of what zeref unleashed.Also there
is definately a connection between natsu and zeref because Zeref wondered if natsu could ''fly'yet.This also
makes natsu suspect memory about ''wendy'' valid too imo.Some form of spell or magic affects the ds within
fairytail..not so much Zeref...

I'm buying into your theory it's logical if you think upon it..hope it comes thru.

exacta
September 17, 2011, 09:46 AM
Chapter was alright. You know, back when Cana said she was Gildartz daughter, it sounded corny and stupid, but now that we've actually seen it it is kind of fitting, seeing as Gildartz is always on big missions and misses out on alot of stuff, it actually is entirely impossible for him to have a daughter and not know about it.

This page was the biggest troll ever though. http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/71278741/5

And the whole Acnologia being the Black Dragon that inspired dragons teaching humans dragonslayer magic makes perfect sense. It's about damn time someone uses dragonslayer magic to actually slay a dragon.

ca12nag3
September 17, 2011, 09:57 AM
Chapter was alright. You know, back when Cana said she was Gildartz daughter, it sounded corny and stupid, but now that we've actually seen it it is kind of fitting, seeing as Gildartz is always on big missions and misses out on alot of stuff, it actually is entirely impossible for him to have a daughter and not know about it.

This page was the biggest troll ever though. http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/71278741/5

And the whole Acnologia being the Black Dragon that inspired dragons teaching humans dragonslayer magic makes perfect sense. It's about damn time someone uses dragonslayer magic to actually slay a dragon.

I think its more like he did recognize his wife in her but just didnt want to admit it or face it. So he ran from it. At least thats what i think. He didnt know but he must have sensed it somehow. Specially since he talks about his wife and then grabs her so hes 100% sure about it.
Also i think naming all those women is like he can get away with the fooling around he did lol. Since after that he makes up with her :P so she cant mention that anymore haha.

1337 haxor
September 17, 2011, 10:18 AM
HA! I was right! Gildartz is a ladiesman and Cana's mother was the only one he loved!

And people told me that it was too weird for a child series, EAT IT!

As for Acnologia...

MOTHER OF GOD THAT THING IS AMAZING!

Now we know what Lucy was talking about FT losing, it wasn't Grimmoire Heart, it was Acnologia brought by Zeref.

I don't know it that is a dragon or not, but it's invokes such sheer omnipotence that we have no doubt it will be capable of hazing Tenrou Island to the ground.

EDIT:

What I think may happen next is as following:

When Acnologia appears and begins bombarding the Island, the brats try to fight but are easily owned prompting Makarov to order an evacuation.

To ensure the ship can make out of there with everyone safe Makarov stays behind to delay Acnologia.

The Dragon/Weapon is far too strong but then Mavis's and Purehito's spirits appears to fight alongside Makarov.

Mavis compliments Makarov's leadership of FT while Purehito apologizes for his betrays and states he wanted to fight on the side of FT at least one more time before going to hell.

Each master casts one of the great three magics of FT against Acnologia who responds by firing a major spell of his own.

The combined strenght of both attacks causes a nuclear multi-megaton explosion that wipes out the island and damages Acnologia so much that it needs to retreat and heal for an entire year before ending this age.

FT's ship is blown away by a huge tidal wave and breaks apart, however, Ultear restores the ship and, together with Meredy, takes board as her own boat was lost in the aftermath of the explosion.

White Silver King
September 17, 2011, 10:54 AM
A really funny chapter. More importantly though, it seems Acnologia isn't a spell but some sort of Apocalypse-bringing-monster-bird.

Makarov made it sound like the final phase of all the tournaments was beating him. I wonder if that means that Mira, Gildarts, Laxus and Ezra all beat him during their exams.

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I was thinking of this one crazy theory... Remember the boy on shore with FT mark? Remember Zeref saying "this cursed body"? What if that kid was Mavis, who fought Zeref at Tenrou Island, and in the end he gave up his body, in order to seal Zeref's consciousness in it, and cursing it, whilst merging with Tenrou Island in the mean time.

The nature of the curse, to me, seems to indicate it was cast by a villain who was an ally of Zeref's until he left the evil cause after he realized the value of human life. The curse makes him randomly kill those around him when the weight of a human life is known to him, but when he becomes the cold-blooded Zeref of the past, he regains full control over his Death Magic. That doesn't seem like the kind of curse a good guy would cast; if anything they would have casted the opposite of that curse. Beisdes, who's body would that boy's be then?

ShoobyDooBop
September 17, 2011, 11:28 AM
I rofled so much with Gildarts. He's such a playboy. I wonder what kind of trick he was using? Well, I guess if you're strong and famous in FT world or got a reputation like Gildarts you would be able to get chicks. Aside from that, I now get the feeling that Gildarts or Makarov will die coz of that thing. I suppose that dragon will be the one to completely crush Fairy Tail. And by looking at the position, it seems like it's gonna fire something huge.

MAX_COLA_POWER!
September 17, 2011, 12:46 PM
Charle's visions have been realized already.

Natsu crying: He was overwhelmed by Gildarts' power during his match
Cana crying: She realized she abandoned her friends for her selfish reasons
The hand on the ground: It was Lucy when Cana used a sleep spell on her, THAT HAND DIDN'T BELONG TO SOMEONE THAT DIED!
Angry Zeref: When he encountered Ultear in the forest.

Now if Gildarts dies because he protects everyone from the dragon, that's another story and I agree that would be a twist.

llamapie
September 17, 2011, 01:18 PM
So the Death Dragon I would assume and it seems my theory that all Dragon Slayers are as ancient as Zeref may be true and they're his only potential equals. That would explain why Zeref wanted Natsu to stop him, but Natsu is still too weak.

Hunter Reborn
September 17, 2011, 02:52 PM
i think everyone will see the dragon in next chapter and fight or run (meaning the groups they are split up in). That will be it, and that will prolong the death to have its own chapter.

White Silver King
September 17, 2011, 06:23 PM
If that is the Black Dragon, there isn't going to be a "fight". He decimated Gildarts in an instant.

Quantized
September 17, 2011, 07:35 PM
Now if Gildarts dies because he protects everyone from the dragon, that's another story and I agree that would be a twist.

That certainly would be an interesting twist, and the timing / current development is great for it too.. But I find it rather sad and heartbreaking if it happened.. Personally I think too much sad things in a row for the manga to handle such a heartbreaking event on this scale right now, but on the other hand, it may be exactly what the manga needs, and it also promotes the darkness Zeref is bringing.

I'm kinda split whether I like it or not, if he truly will die and Kana will be devastated, then it's both gonna be extremely interesting / huge development but also intensely dark and heartbreaking, at the same time, odd mix.

obamamania
September 17, 2011, 08:48 PM
The dragon's entrance redeems this arc, there was just no way Fairy Tale was gonna take out ALL of Grimoire Heart and just go home a little beaten up, especially considering the fact that some of the Kin actually died (at least Zancrow). Something gamechanging needs to happen now, or else I'm not forgiving all of the infinite plotkai we just went through lol.

Btw, that dragon is freaking awesome. However to the people saying "there is no way they can fight it" well you're right at the moment only because defeating it now would kinda end the manga lol. Any other time I would say who knows, because this arc showed that they can basically do anything and defeat anyone despite how literally impossible it is. But I think the end of the previous chapter where they defeated Hades sort of marked the climax of their momentum, and this intro of the dragon (really, people are doubting that it's a dragon?) is basically the plot saying "ok, youve had your fun now it's over".

swordsaintscoot
September 18, 2011, 11:06 AM
I think questioning whether it truly is a 'dragon' or not is reasonable. That's not to say it doesn't have the figure of a dragon, but for all we know it could be one of Zeref's dark beasts (that Hades also used) in the shape of a dragon. It's colouration is pretty much the same, but that doesn't mean it is. I'd just hold off on the celebration of our first (in person) dragon, until it's confirmed in the manga.

Darjaille
September 18, 2011, 11:52 AM
I think noone mentioned it here earlier, so
I think we just got foreshadowing that Lucy's going to go, find her father and get things together ("A father.. maybe when I get home, we'll meet" or something along those lines)

That would be a good opportunity to ask questions as well, no? I mean questions as "Why the hell was my mother telling me good-night fairy tales that are about goals of the darkest of wizards?" and "What does she gotta do with Zeref?" and "Tell me about her, and dragons, and 777", of course all that in case her father knows about things. If not, then... she can always ask :XD

It's been damn long time since I so wanted to read next chapter :D

White Silver King
September 18, 2011, 11:57 AM
I think questioning whether it truly is a 'dragon' or not is reasonable. That's not to say it doesn't have the figure of a dragon, but for all we know it could be one of Zeref's dark beasts (that Hades also used) in the shape of a dragon. It's colouration is pretty much the same, but that doesn't mean it is. I'd just hold off on the celebration of our first (in person) dragon, until it's confirmed in the manga.

If Zeref learned his magic from the Black Dragon as many surmise, it would make sense his creations look like the dragon itself.

Darjaille
September 18, 2011, 12:26 PM
If Zeref learned his magic from the Black Dragon as many surmise, it would make sense his creations look like the dragon itself.

Yup!
and the devil's eye is actually Acnologia's eye or lacrima, or something thus Hades could use the power of Death/Demon Dragonslayer.

(just adding, that would be explanation to why could Hades use it)

Sollum
September 18, 2011, 02:31 PM
About Guildartz dying...

I just watched anime chapter with Charlies prediction.

Both Cana and Natsu where in the cave.
Cana had different hairstyle and vines where clearly seen on walls.
Natsu was shown frightened and light was falling through ceiling.
And Zeref was pretty much BADASS.

So unless anime wishes to split off from manga, i dare to say that they where not crying of Guildartz death, therefore i assume he will remain alive.

luffyg2
September 18, 2011, 04:33 PM
Lollll at Gildarts wondering who was Kana's mother. Touchy reunion there... anyway once again the ending is getting me hype for what will happen next but I hope it wont disappoint me like most of the time something seemed interesting in the manga and ended up lame.

MyuuMyuu
September 19, 2011, 01:32 PM
This were a really good chapter. I think the Dragon ?) in the end was beautiful :D
I really got to like Kana through this Arc. Many people have been complaining about her, but i started to like her. However you are right; She is a totally useless wizard. Like when she got the fairy glitter.. totally useless. But that is a fact that even Kana is aware of.. that is also the reason why she had a hard time telling Gildarts, the strongest mage of Fairy Tail, that she were his father.. because she is nothing like him. She doesn't have anything he can be proud of as a father. To realize that as a daugther must be horrible. I feel bad for her. So i think it's nice everything went well. a very sweet reunion.

Now i got a question; Am i the only one who has some idea in the backhead that Lucy might be the whole Fairy Tail series main plot? Like, i feel she is related to everything.. i have some idea that in the last fairy tail arc, it will be something about lucy and her past or something in her blood, a duty she have, something she must do, or that she is some powerfull magic source so the bad guys are gonna kidnap her or even better - she will turn evil and then the Fairy Tail guild will try to rescue her. i even got an idea of her losing her memory at some point, but that might would be too much of an rip off from Rave Master..

1337 haxor
September 19, 2011, 10:11 PM
This were a really good chapter. I think the Dragon ?) in the end was beautiful :D
I really got to like Kana through this Arc. Many people have been complaining about her, but i started to like her. However you are right; She is a totally useless wizard. Like when she got the fairy glitter.. totally useless. But that is a fact that even Kana is aware of.. that is also the reason why she had a hard time telling Gildarts, the strongest mage of Fairy Tail, that she were his father.. because she is nothing like him. She doesn't have anything he can be proud of as a father. To realize that as a daugther must be horrible. I feel bad for her. So i think it's nice everything went well. a very sweet reunion.

WUT?



Now i got a question; Am i the only one who has some idea in the backhead that Lucy might be the whole Fairy Tail series main plot? Like, i feel she is related to everything.. i have some idea that in the last fairy tail arc, it will be something about lucy and her past or something in her blood, a duty she have, something she must do, or that she is some powerfull magic source so the bad guys are gonna kidnap her or even better - she will turn evil and then the Fairy Tail guild will try to rescue her. i even got an idea of her losing her memory at some point, but that might would be too much of an rip off from Rave Master..

Yes, you are right! Lucy is the protagonist of the series, even though Natsu is the spotlight brawler and main male character, it is Lucy who recounts the story through her memories.

She said she would play a big part in the upcoming battle yet she did nothing special against Grimmoire Heart.

Maybe Lucy actually has a hidden power that can drive away the dragons. Layla was said to be dying as her magic was slowly fading away and that could have been the result of a major spell that she used to seal away evil.

I too believe she will turn evil at some point because she has that secret power which is key to Zeref's ultimate victory, she is the key to the ultimate magical world.

I'm placing my chips on an alternate evil side that will begin to awake shortly after the Black Dragon sweeps in.

llamapie
September 20, 2011, 07:32 AM
So if this is all how it looks, the true Dragon Slayers are all related and what they think was their child hood was actually ages ago. My main reason for thinking this is because Zeref is ancient yet he is no older than Natsu and company. Natsu was blocked by the age wall which hinted he is over 80 years old. Its possible that whatever happened to Zeref it caused him to whipe everyone's memory. So there is a huge back story here that hasn't been tapped in to and its really renewed my interest in this series.

Perhaps the dragon slayers are avatars of their dragons and they're called dragon slayers because they're the only ones capable of killing one another, hence why Zeref wanted Natsu to try. Zeref is on a whole other level if this is true because it seems he is able to summon his dragon to some degree, let alone instantly pwn anyone.

Then there is that whole mystery of Natsu's scarf changing color from Zeref's magic.

So many questions.. :|

RaveDragon
September 22, 2011, 04:28 AM
We could always get some news from the dragon (if it is one which i think it is) I mean all dragons talk so this one could give us something juicy while probably attacking the island :/ It looks hostile but it could also not be so it could be a dragon to warn them of something or there still is the dragon festival mentioned in the last parts of the tower of paradise arc ^^ maybe he's inviting the dragon slayers. Bu tbh since 'Its destruction was inevitable' came up i guess it its an 90-10 for it to be an angry dragon :/

Lucy seems to be a big part of it, poor girl now that she wants to try and make it work with her dad, anyway layla came up in this arc already so it might be foreshadowing that this dragon is not only connected to Zeref but to Layla as well and i have a wierd feeling she didnt die but just disappeared as well.

Ifrit
September 22, 2011, 11:09 AM
i have a wierd feeling she didnt die but just disappeared as well.

I had this crazy theory loooong time ago...I thought the same..Layla didn't die..she was a spirit and she just went back to the spirit world...but after the current Arc and her talk with Capricon I don't think that ever gonna happen xDD

RaveDragon
September 22, 2011, 02:14 PM
I had this crazy theory loooong time ago...I thought the same..Layla didn't die..she was a spirit and she just went back to the spirit world...but after the current Arc and her talk with Capricon I don't think that ever gonna happen xDD

Doubt shes a spirit, she does though have something to do with the dragons maybe shes some dragon priestess or something xD theres somethingspecial about her daughter though and the father is abominably normal so only Layla can g her a v imp role, Lucy's a main after all, mains have all something awesome ^^

•Sasuke•
September 24, 2011, 02:44 AM
chapter 252 spoiler pics

http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=15374954 <- last post

RaveDragon
September 24, 2011, 02:58 AM
Thanks to sasuke for the spoiler pics =D :darn they seem so awesome ><

I guess a lot of us where right GH was only the rain before the big bad horrible storm :/ seems makarov is telling them to run and he's sacrificing himself, too bad the dragan seems very wild and hostile seems he's not gonna say much and just eat everyone! cant wait for the translation.

lordoffantasy
September 24, 2011, 03:29 AM
i knew it.....i should be all hyper and happy, but i think i called it. the dragon is acnologia, or at least sent by it...... i think makarov has been scheduled to die, and against a opponent truly worthy of him.

i know a lot of people will be freaking out over this, but understand this is a normal plot element. someone being ddesigned to ultimately die at a certain time is as common as dandelions, but how it is done each time, and the emotion it creates, is what is important, is what makes it works. makarov is the old generation, he knows this. he will sacrafice himself gladly for his children, for the future. but his demise will hit everyone with the weight of the entire world.

ghostexiled
September 24, 2011, 03:34 AM
@RaveDragon - you don't have to put what you want to say in spoiler tags... this is a spoiler thread! :p

The opening image seems to hint that Makrov will be dying soon... with him being in heaven and all.

This may be the time that Natsu cries... since all of the members of FT are crying at the fact that their master is sacrificing himself so that they can escape.

I wonder if this is the dragon that Gildartz fought and almost died from...

LnDRash
September 24, 2011, 03:39 AM
Looks like this time Makarov is going to bite the dust for real... can't imagine how he could possibly get out of this situation.

Now that we can get a better look at the creature there's no doubt about it that this realy is a dragon and not just some demonic-bird-thing created by Zeref. Realy looking forward to reading the chapter. While the story in Naruto, Bleach and One Piece currently just drags on, the recent Fairy Tail chapters realy make me eager to find out whats comming next :)

wooticus
September 24, 2011, 03:42 AM
@ghost: i really wonder about this being the same dragon, too. Gildarts told that he lost an organ, leg and arm in an instant. To be honest this acnologia dragon doesn't seem to be that powerful. If natsu and the others can evade him than gildarts should have totally be able to. So either the dragon is weakened - may be powered by hate and such stuff which he can't find too much on a fairy tail island. - or it is another one. Maybe the black dragons child. or simply another dragon.

And it really looks like makarov dying there holding the dragon off.. But how should they escape? they are trapped on an island? the dragon can fly? Makarov would basically hold him off for hours and even then the dragon might know in which direction to go.. And we haven't seen gildarts in any panel, i want to see his reaction to the dragon..

So i will throw a question into the discussion: Might we see the comeback of fairy glitter?

goldb
September 24, 2011, 04:03 AM
I wonder if this is the dragon that Gildartz fought and almost died from...

That was EXACTLY my thoughts looking at the spoiler pics!
If Makarov really does go, then I hope he goes out on a high and injures the dragon or incapacitates him to make it easier for the rest of FT to escape or take it out.

Ifrit
September 24, 2011, 04:10 AM
can any1 translate what Zeref said plz ?

it seems that Zeref will turn the ship around back to Island ...somehow I think he will stop the dragon.........anyway I also predict Laxus and Natsu to rush and attack the dragon I don't think they will run.

Makarov dies due Injury maybe...I hope he won't tho he has his funny moments...will hurt to see him go.

mstarsup5
September 24, 2011, 06:03 AM
Somehow, I feel like the one who's gonna die/be severely hurt will be Gildartz... Who already lost to the Black Dragon, and who just "met" his daughter moments ago. One thing that is for sure is that Gildartz won't be running away.

MAX_COLA_POWER!
September 24, 2011, 06:32 AM
@RaveDragon - you don't have to put what you want to say in spoiler tags... this is a spoiler thread! :p

The opening image seems to hint that Makrov will be dying soon... with him being in heaven and all.

This may be the time that Natsu cries... since all of the members of FT are crying at the fact that their master is sacrificing himself so that they can escape.

I wonder if this is the dragon that Gildartz fought and almost died from...
Natsu already cried, when he fought Gildarts. The vision showed him not wearing bandages. When he cries this time, he IS wearing bandages.

kkck
September 24, 2011, 06:50 AM
Well, the images from natsu crying before did not quite match what we saw against gildarts. In turn, the other images from the vision perfectly matched other events in the manga. I think the crying part is yet to come given the circumstances.

hoeru
September 24, 2011, 07:33 AM
wow... this chapter will give me some punch in my stomach. so makarov will most probably finally die in the end of the arc.


Somehow, I feel like the one who's gonna die/be severely hurt will be Gildartz... Who already lost to the Black Dragon, and who just "met" his daughter moments ago. One thing that is for sure is that Gildartz won't be running away.

even though makarov gives his goodbye speech at the end of the chapter? i dont see this coming at least he wont be killed by the dragon - maybe by zeref.

reposting image if i am allowed to
http://thumbnails53.imagebam.com/15077/29eab7150767917.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/29eab7150767917)

look at the bottom with the title for the next chapter...

that would be an extreme twist. btw, gildarts is a great character and somewhat a nice "shanks copy". dont wanna see both of them dying - as of yet.

chess4
September 24, 2011, 08:01 AM
if this is truly it for markorov, then his name will be immortalized with the likes of Whitebeard and the 3rd hokage.

so its seems that zeref is really the black dragon slayer..... so as of now we have 4 dragons and slayers.

zeref knows who natsu is
natsu is and gajeel are both over 80 years old.
dragon slayer magic is an extinct magic
the dragons left them own there own

all this leads me to beleive that somehow zeref turned on the other dragon slayers and a massive war broke out between them. Something caused the dragon slayers to revert back to younger versions of themsleves and a loss of memory.

xdanx
September 24, 2011, 10:32 AM
Well, it seems a pretty deep wound the one we can see in THE RAW (http://www.filesonic.com/file/2139991294/Fairy-Tail-252-%5B9P%5D.zip), so it is possible for him to die, but, it's not the first time we see something like this and he has managed to stay alive anyway.

Atobe the king
September 24, 2011, 11:04 AM
I think he's gonna bite the dust....you can only dodge bullets so many times.

liductan
September 24, 2011, 12:10 PM
Yeah, he probably will die ( still nobody dies in fairytail)

MyuuMyuu
September 24, 2011, 12:44 PM
Yeah, he probably will die ( still nobody dies in fairytail)

Not true. Simon died. but he is so far the only one. And Hiro Mashima kinda likes to kill his characters off, then make them alive again.. *cough, Lisanna*
anyway, i read that in his previous work RAVE a lot of characters died and hiro mashima stated he did not want to create another manga like that, so i don't think the master will die.. -__- that just ain't fairy tail like..

gotdott
September 24, 2011, 01:03 PM
Not true. Simon died. but he is so far the only one. And Hiro Mashima kinda likes to kill his characters off, then make them alive again.. *cough, Lisanna*
anyway, i read that in his previous work RAVE a lot of characters died and hiro mashima stated he did not want to create another manga like that, so i don't think the master will die.. -__- that just ain't fairy tail like..

You can't really say it like that lol since Lisanna was "dead" to begin with and we found out that she actually wasn't. It's not like we sat through her death and then see her brought back so its not the same.

OPN
September 24, 2011, 02:42 PM
its really hard too say right now but i think markarov will die sacerficing his life for the others too get away with the help of zeref by using the ship too drive them back too the guild then he will explain what the dragon is and who he is. that is just my two cents though ^_^. *waits excitengly for the chapter too get translated*

Ifrit
September 24, 2011, 03:11 PM
I think it's early to assume Makarov will die.

so Far Gildartz + Laxus + Natsu+ Gajeel + Wendy don't seem to run away...and it looks like Zeref is turning the ship toward the Island I think he will save them.

BanishingSorrow
September 24, 2011, 03:20 PM
Well, with this is almost obvious that Zeref is the Dragon Slayer of Darkness. And Acnologia teached him.

Mashiro_Luna
September 24, 2011, 03:32 PM
If Zeref is a Dragon Slayer does that mean that Dragons are the source of all magic? And that would mean Dragon Slayer magic is the Magic of One?

kkck
September 24, 2011, 05:51 PM
I don't think makarov is going to die. For one thing, even at full strength makarov should not stand a chance against a dragon. Even gildarts got the fodder treatment. In this regard, even if makarov sacrifices his life it is unlikely fairy tail can scape. Makarov would actually need to stall the dragon long enough for the boat to reach a safe distance which should be quite a bit considering the dragon seems to be able to fly quite fast. Something else must happen for the gang to be safe which could also save makarov.

BanishingSorrow
September 24, 2011, 07:49 PM
If Zeref is a Dragon Slayer does that mean that Dragons are the source of all magic? And that would mean Dragon Slayer magic is the Magic of One?

Maybe Zeref was somewhat special and Acnologia manipulated him in order to use his talent, and destroy the world [Acnologia hates all Humans]. Maybe Zeref created all the Magic related to Death and Life, but in order to broad his scope [Because only a Dragon can teach that, and no one else], he learned the Darkness Magic Dragon Slayer [And with that, he managed to create even more things and Magics].

I dunno, but i don't think he was born like a normal person. Perphaps he was never a Human to begin with, and he lived in "The Abyss of Magic", where his Magic ["The Magic of One"] could bring "The Great World of Magic".

It is plausible that Zeref is the origin of Magic itself.... But the modern Magic. I mean, the Magic people now use.... It will sound much like FMA, but i believe that the source of modern Magic is people's lives [Not talking about it's origins.... Only about how it is powered, wich it's different].

Rarhyx
September 24, 2011, 08:10 PM
sadly the old man won't die...
common be "realistic" after this arc...
natsu got atleast 3 times beaten and still owns the "final villian" in this arc...

ca12nag3
September 24, 2011, 08:14 PM
sadly the old man won't die...
common be "realistic" after this arc...
natsu got atleast 3 times beaten and still owns the "final villian" in this arc...

Its not unlikely in the mind of Mashima to simply kill off whoever he wants. Frankly the way he killed Hades is more or less his signature way, do it sudden and direct and without much fanfare :P
Still i expect Makarov to (if he dies) go out with a lot of epic fighting. Just dont think Mashima wont do it because he has a habit of doing the least expected.

MATTHUM3
September 24, 2011, 09:31 PM
I think Lucy might die because way back in the beginning of the S class exam, in the chapter where the S class nominees are named Wendy's cat has a prediction showing zeref, Natsu and Cana crying and a feminine hand lying on the ground.

LnDRash
September 24, 2011, 09:39 PM
^If Lucy dies then the Manga ends because she's the one telling the story :P

Mashiro_Luna
September 24, 2011, 10:07 PM
I think Lucy might die because way back in the beginning of the S class exam, in the chapter where the S class nominees are named Wendy's cat has a prediction showing zeref, Natsu and Cana crying and a feminine hand lying on the ground.

Lucy isn't going to die, Cana was shown crying here, http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/232/14 and the feminine hand is Lucy from here, http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/225/19 As for Natsu crying that looks like it is going to be fulfilled in this chapter.

Ifrit
September 25, 2011, 07:20 AM
Gray : What is that ?
Elfman : It's huge !
Juvia : This is ...
Bickslow : A Dragon ?
Lucy : What the ...
Gajeel : Really ?
Cana : A real ... Dragon.
Natsu : I suspected it, the dragon is very much alive.

Wendy : Run !
We must take everyone.
To Fairy Tail !

Charle : Wendy ! Can't you speak with him ?
Can't you do anything ?

Wendy : I can't speak to him.
Dragons are very intelligent.
This Dragon too can probably understand us.

Zeref : Even though, that doesn't mean they would hear what we have to say.
Because for dragons, we humans are trash. No, even lower than that.

A human wouldn't speak to a fly.

This is the same thing.

Makarov goes manly.

Zeref : This is madness ! He's no match !
Wendy : Master, stop !

Makarov : RUN !

The Raijin Tribe : We too.
Destroy him !

Makarov let his feelings out as he risks his life.

Makarov : Tears are meaningless.
Is it sad when someone dies ?
Can sadness kill humans ?
The answer lies in the heart of everyone.
Sure enough, you were full of pride for a bunch of brats.
LIVE ! TO SEE THE FUTURE !


As a necessary sacrifice, unable to see what will bring the future.

Found this on internet "I didn't do it" not sure if it's true or not. but maybe a confirmation for those who still wonder if it's a dragon or not.

---------- Post added at 03:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:09 AM ----------

i'ts out http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/86710913/1


gogogogogog ( It's confirmed it is the black dragon ) Gildartz says !!

damn just finished reading....It seems they all gonna make a run for it. Makarov will die. Zeref is no way going even near the Island he made it clear that humans will know their place in this world now.


and LOL at " To be continued in chapter 255" ur skipping 2 chapters Mashima u bad boy xD

Nuno
September 25, 2011, 07:41 AM
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HaiSuShi
September 25, 2011, 07:44 AM
Wheeeew, I'm so glad Gildarts didn't die in this chapter..
I've seen enough Anime *coughmadokamagicacough* where someone dies after saying to another person what they will do in the future:s.
And there was a lot of buildup to Makarov dying:
-Makarovs speech to Mavis
-Luxus appearing
-the whole new-Generation-thing in the S-Class-exam

IMO Makarov will die against the dragon, going all out and maybe managing to harm him.
And I just realized that Gildarts was talking about something like Acnologia in his speech to Natsu, and not someone like Hades.

Edit:The only thing that can save Makarov and Fairy Tail now is the firing of Aetherion, though that could kill Makarov as well.

And another thing, did anyone have the feeling Acnologia is not the only Dragon awakening? Zeref sounded as if he would say that the new era is the era of Dragons, atleast that's how I understood him.

jacke12
September 25, 2011, 07:45 AM
so Zeref confirmed it that he will work with this dragon again to destroy this era and when Zeref said farewell to Natsu it made me want to know from where does he know him even more.

kkck
September 25, 2011, 07:57 AM
So every point in the manga moves back to the dragons.... Interesting though. Perhaps the magical world of zeref of which hades and co spoke of is not something zeref created but rather the world where the dragons inhabit, or perhaps a level of existence at the same level of the dragons so to speak. I mean, dragons don't inhabit the world anymore, perhaps the reason the black dragon wants to destroy humans is to reclaim the world. Zeref is compelled by his dragon to do the same....

Gats
September 25, 2011, 07:57 AM
If humans are truly like insects to dragons, then what's the whole business with Dragonslayers is supposed to mean ?
Unless there is another truth behind it, I just don't get Zeref's logic.

sarutobi_sensei
September 25, 2011, 08:03 AM
Wow so it really is the Black Dragon, and people were thinking that it was one of Zeref's Demons.

So he only thinks of them as insects, but why attack FT directly? Why not someone else? Is it because 3 DS are there? Maybe even because of Zeref himself?

Makarov will die, this is how it's supposed to be, dying so that FT members can live on, protecting them till the end. Maybe he'll get some help from Mavis's spirit, but who knows. Maybe even the Black Dragon will talk or say something to him, since Makarov clearly isn't an insect being his size and all xD

Imo Zeref isn't going to work with Acknologia, but also he won't interfere with him. He's underestimating Natsu btw, thinking that he would die here. If he does know him from 400 years ago, then he should know how resilient Natsu is.

Laxus was shaking in fear, and it's understandable, fear because he was scared and couldn't do anything to save his grandpa.

I wonder when Etherion is going to be fired, it should've already been fired no?

Now who'll be the new master? Guildartz or Laxus?

And could the part of TBC on chapter 255 could be a typo, or could Mashima be doing something like "Turn Back the Pendulum" in Bleach? Showing only chapters with flashbacks from 100 years ago?

I honestly can't wait for the next chapter though.

Ero-Sanji
September 25, 2011, 08:08 AM
This is going very slowly at the moment.

Anyway, exactly like Gats pointed out, if Dragons are so badass then what's the point in Dragonslayers, however there much that hints toward that DS are not entirely human.

chess4
September 25, 2011, 08:15 AM
http://www.mangareader.net/93-142-19/naruto/chapter-137.html

one of the baddest mutha**ckers of all time.....the third hokage

http://read.homeunix.com/onlinereading/?image=One%20Piece/One%20Piece%20c576/16_17.png&server=nas.html

the king of the seas.....whitebeard


Markorov is cut from their cloth, he will have a grand death just like them...........We all knew when this arc started that someone major would fall based on charle's vision.

looks like laxus might stay and gildartz will be the new master

wooticus
September 25, 2011, 08:16 AM
Well i also totally believe that this is the end for makarov. At least he couldn't have found a better way to die - protecting his children on the island of fairy tail from an opponent that couldn't be greater.
Overall we can totally be sure that if makarov won't die here there won't die ANY FT character ever in this manga.

It is also the perfect timing. It is very likely that fairy tail will be disbanded after this accident. The council knowing about zeref hiding on FT island will give enough reason. it would break masters heart to see this so he has to die first. Moreover it will be the foundation of "fourth Fairy Tail".

the only thing i'm really curious about in the moment is how FT will actually be saved by makarov.

i can't see holding him the dragon too long and there is no reason for acnologia not attacking a ship. I see a total of 4 possibilities of what will happen now.
1. If the council actually fires etherion it would certainly not destroy acnologia - but it could hurt him at least a bit - forcing him to retreat for quite some time. but it would also destroy fairy tails holy island.. which i would not like that much personally

2. zeref somehow interfering managing to summon acnologia to another place. he called for him so maybe he can also control him with his magic a little bit - we saw that zeref hasn't that much control over his powers and if he really is the black dragons slayer maybe the intentions in master makarovs heart (and in those of the FT members) makes him fight acnologia... if he's the black dragon slayer he is certainly the one person that can fight against that dragon.

3. my personal favorite: we heard of the three great magics of fairy tail and already saw two of them. one was implemented in cana, the other one laxus knows about. We miss a third one and this third magic has to be revealed if master dies - or it might be lost forever. so my guess is it is a self-sacrificing magic with which you give your life for protecting your children. it surely is totally forbidden but it might imprison the dragon on the island for some time - i think mavis vermillion might have used the same magic to seal zeref on tenrou island

4. the most epic one would be a dragon fight. so makarov would have just given igneel the time (oh and if some dragon comes you can totally be sure that it will be igneel). it might be the most epic panel in this whole manga yet if acnologia is about to hit natsu and igneel jumps in roasting acnologia in a giant breath of fire.

as i mentioned before, THIS acnologia can't be on the same state of powers when it nearly killed gildarts IN AN INSTANT. it didn't show any powers but raw physical power and screaming. no magic at all? so that can't be it

Zeltrax
September 25, 2011, 08:23 AM
HAHA! Nice try Mashima. You think you can troll me again?
The last time I though ft is in deep shit, I got screwed.
You think I'll believe you again?!
Really?!



Okay fine. I'll give ft another chance.. you win.

Easily best chapter of this arc because it felt so different.. and true despair was shown.
Makarov will die and something will happen to ft that will result in a time skip.
I'm calling it.

Ifrit
September 25, 2011, 08:31 AM
Well i also totally believe that this is the end for makarov. At least he couldn't have found a better way to die - protecting his children on the island of fairy tail from an opponent that couldn't be greater.
Overall we can totally be sure that if makarov won't die here there won't die ANY FT character ever in this manga.

It is also the perfect timing. It is very likely that fairy tail will be disbanded after this accident. The council knowing about zeref hiding on FT island will give enough reason. it would break masters heart to see this so he has to die first. Moreover it will be the foundation of "fourth Fairy Tail".

the only thing i'm really curious about in the moment is how FT will actually be saved by makarov.

i can't see holding him the dragon too long and there is no reason for acnologia not attacking a ship. I see a total of 4 possibilities of what will happen now.
1. If the council actually fires etherion it would certainly not destroy acnologia - but it could hurt him at least a bit - forcing him to retreat for quite some time. but it would also destroy fairy tails holy island.. which i would not like that much personally

2. zeref somehow interfering managing to summon acnologia to another place. he called for him so maybe he can also control him with his magic a little bit - we saw that zeref hasn't that much control over his powers and if he really is the black dragons slayer maybe the intentions in master makarovs heart (and in those of the FT members) makes him fight acnologia... if he's the black dragon slayer he is certainly the one person that can fight against that dragon.

3. my personal favorite: we heard of the three great magics of fairy tail and already saw two of them. one was implemented in cana, the other one laxus knows about. We miss a third one and this third magic has to be revealed if master dies - or it might be lost forever. so my guess is it is a self-sacrificing magic with which you give your life for protecting your children. it surely is totally forbidden but it might imprison the dragon on the island for some time - i think mavis vermillion might have used the same magic to seal zeref on tenrou island

4. the most epic one would be a dragon fight. so makarov would have just given igneel the time (oh and if some dragon comes you can totally be sure that it will be igneel). it might be the most epic panel in this whole manga yet if acnologia is about to hit natsu and igneel jumps in roasting acnologia in a giant breath of fire.

as i mentioned before, THIS acnologia can't be on the same state of powers when it nearly killed gildarts IN AN INSTANT. it didn't show any powers but raw physical power and screaming. no magic at all? so that can't be it

I like #3. But I think the 3rd great magic of Fairy Tail " Only Ivan knows about" Makarov told Laxus he need to know where Ivan is because he left the guild with important info about Fairy Tail.

Next chapter says "LETS HOLD HANDS" the 3rd great magic might be cast by all of Fairy Tail members not just Makarov.

#4. Is just too good to be true. xD

Now for who gonna be NEXT MASTER...I vote for that weird women that keep showing every now and then.

Gildartz or Laxus is just too obvious and Mashima like to do crazy things.

In the End of this Series I'm not surprised to see Lucy is the master of Fairy Tail and she is just telling the story to the little kids in Fairy Tail. "LOLz"

tobeulp
September 25, 2011, 08:44 AM
Is it just me but when I read this chapter it reminds of One Piece when Luffy's crew fleeing against Kuma and the admiral
Well Fairy Tail is back on track but let us not celebrate yet because Mashima might troll us and make Fairy Tail win against the Black Dragon giving a super duper power up nakama fairy law!!!

I think the council will be the one to save Fairy Tail's ass mainly because they knew what is the black dragon..

I think 2 chapters is max to wrap this pretty much even with its up and down for me the best arc for Fairy Tail and I am expecting the next arcs will be much more consistent and better because like what I said from previous chapter this arc is like a setting for the next coming arcs specially the dragons...

kakashidad
September 25, 2011, 08:53 AM
Man this was absolutely awesome...!From the front cover of Makarov sitting in front of what looks like ''perily gates'' Awesome.
From Gildartz sensing then feeling his old wound from facing the black dragon on his 100 yr quest..Awesome!
From Brilox screaming like a little bitch..''dragon''!! awesome!!
From Natsu ever changing degree of understanding..from seeing the dragon..humor to anger to realization..Awesome!!
From Makarov caliing his kids ''shitty bratz'' for attempting to defy him...and laxus grabbing natsu not defying him for
once..Yet crying inside..tragic but AWESOME!!!

I for one have no problem with the direction this is going in.Fabulous read very enjoyable

ca12nag3
September 25, 2011, 09:12 AM
Well i also totally believe that this is the end for makarov. At least he couldn't have found a better way to die - protecting his children on the island of fairy tail from an opponent that couldn't be greater.
Overall we can totally be sure that if makarov won't die here there won't die ANY FT character ever in this manga.

It is also the perfect timing. It is very likely that fairy tail will be disbanded after this accident. The council knowing about zeref hiding on FT island will give enough reason. it would break masters heart to see this so he has to die first. Moreover it will be the foundation of "fourth Fairy Tail".

the only thing i'm really curious about in the moment is how FT will actually be saved by makarov.

i can't see holding him the dragon too long and there is no reason for acnologia not attacking a ship. I see a total of 4 possibilities of what will happen now.
1. If the council actually fires etherion it would certainly not destroy acnologia - but it could hurt him at least a bit - forcing him to retreat for quite some time. but it would also destroy fairy tails holy island.. which i would not like that much personally

2. zeref somehow interfering managing to summon acnologia to another place. he called for him so maybe he can also control him with his magic a little bit - we saw that zeref hasn't that much control over his powers and if he really is the black dragons slayer maybe the intentions in master makarovs heart (and in those of the FT members) makes him fight acnologia... if he's the black dragon slayer he is certainly the one person that can fight against that dragon.

3. my personal favorite: we heard of the three great magics of fairy tail and already saw two of them. one was implemented in cana, the other one laxus knows about. We miss a third one and this third magic has to be revealed if master dies - or it might be lost forever. so my guess is it is a self-sacrificing magic with which you give your life for protecting your children. it surely is totally forbidden but it might imprison the dragon on the island for some time - i think mavis vermillion might have used the same magic to seal zeref on tenrou island

4. the most epic one would be a dragon fight. so makarov would have just given igneel the time (oh and if some dragon comes you can totally be sure that it will be igneel). it might be the most epic panel in this whole manga yet if acnologia is about to hit natsu and igneel jumps in roasting acnologia in a giant breath of fire.

as i mentioned before, THIS acnologia can't be on the same state of powers when it nearly killed gildarts IN AN INSTANT. it didn't show any powers but raw physical power and screaming. no magic at all? so that can't be it

You are totally jumping past some of the things clearly shown like a month or 2 ago. The kid looking from the harbor at the place where the Island was suposed to be, which is a kid from years ahead in time wears the FT logo. Thus FT will not disband or maybe a temporal disband anyways FT will be there in the future. Also the manga is called Fairy Tail, so disbanding isnt a option for the author.

Im just curious who the kid is and whats his link to this current event? < the kid is from some time in the future and its hard to tell how old he is and whos kid he is or maybe hes macaos kid.

Makarov is going to die its near inevitable. Who will take the lead? Who will comfort Laxus, it looks like hes about to break from the shaking so once Makarov kicks the bucket he will be broken for sure.
Gildartz will most likely act as temporal leader ( a role he isnt used to but he is the only S+class of the guild).
What im also wondering about is what would prevent the dragon from comming after FT once Makarov is out of steam? And im thinking btw that Makarov will use Fairy Law as last ditch effort and since hes already so beat up it will be his last move.

Anyways the chapter was great :D

nitsthegame
September 25, 2011, 09:23 AM
i think makarov foresaw this

1. forgot there is a prophecy?? when 3 dragon slayers will assemble...yeah we got there.. the prophecy is unfolding...
2. I for once feel all the dragon slayers are like dragons with immortal magic(just my thought), they live through era to stop the infiltration of dragons... mb dragon teach them themselves to keep themselves under control. And zeref is also a dragon slayer and knows that his end is in the hands of Natsu.. In each era there has been various fights between the various dragon slayer which we saw at the time when igneel was taking to sky dragon.." perhaps we can expect a better relationship this time"..
3. reading about ivan and all.. since the black dragon is here mb its time for other dragons to come out as well and we might just see igneel and all coming out...Yippeeeeee(lets hope this come true)

Hunter Reborn
September 25, 2011, 09:26 AM
I believe that the ch typo is not a typo and that we will get ch flash back of how Natsu and Zeref met 400 yrs ago, and how there quest to find a dragon. Remember we have no really idea how the dragons play a role in the past lifes of Natsu, Zeref, Wendy, Gazeel. It could also be a random moment that will show Mest trying to stop the concil, or to be far fetch another conversation with the dragons about what is going on.

ca12nag3
September 25, 2011, 09:37 AM
I believe that the ch typo is not a typo and that we will get ch flash back of how Natsu and Zeref met 400 yrs ago, and how there quest to find a dragon. Remember we have no really idea how the dragons play a role in the past lifes of Natsu, Zeref, Wendy, Gazeel. It could also be a random moment that will show Mest trying to stop the concil, or to be far fetch another conversation with the dragons about what is going on.

Thing is Igneel said its forbidden for the dragons to interfere with the humans yet Acnologia is doing just that, hes on a rampage trying to kill anything on that island.
Grandine was hinting back then that they could *do something*. Infuriating Igneel, so im thinking the dragonking gave orders but the dragons themselves dont always follow them and Igneel seems like the most loyal to the code.
Doesnt take away the possibility that Acnologia is either a defector of the dragons or that Zeref did something to him turning him into this mad crazy being. However acording to Zeref there is no hint in him having anything to do with how Acnologia reacts. Btw it seems highly likely now that Zeref = the black dragonslayer.

In the end it could even be that Acnologia is trying to take over the dragonrealm and that the dragonslayers are a loophole in dragonlaw. I can imagin that its forbidden for a dragon to kill another dragon but if they trained humans in their arts they could create a dragonslayer to take care of the business. Specially if they are so stuck on their rules like what Igneel feels like.
Its kinda weird for a parent (even if its a foster) to not want to help their child but hes stuck on not aiding Natsu regardless. so they hold dear to their laws.
Acnologia could have created Zeref or trained him as dragonslayer prior to the others, why? Its simple that Zeref knows about everything there is yet the other 3 are not trained fully and have no clue about the dragons other then knowing who their parent is.

MAX_COLA_POWER!
September 25, 2011, 10:04 AM
Lucy isn't going to die, Cana was shown crying here, http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/232/14 and the feminine hand is Lucy from here, http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/225/19 As for Natsu crying that looks like it is going to be fulfilled in this chapter.

2 out of 3 my friend. In the vision, Natsu is crying, but he's not wearing bandages. In this chapter, he's wearing them. He already cried when he faced Gildarts.

exacta
September 25, 2011, 10:16 AM
The Black Dragon Acnologia is awesome......clearly Mashima was inspired somewhat by his own creation Endless when he thought of this, but Acnologia is MUCH cooler and interesting IMO, at least from what we've seen so far. Looks like the heart of FT's plot is showing itself right now, so I think Mashima won't mess anything up in these upcoming chapters.

Makarovs in a situation that will likely end with his death again, but this time I think it might really happen......funny though, because I always thought Makarov would have to be around for the Raven Tail arc. I wonder when those guys will show up, they were first mentioned waaaaaaaaaaay back in the Star Festival. Perhaps if Makarov does indeed die, will see some kind of reaction from Ivan.But yeah, the moment I read the title of this chapter, I had a feeling Makarov would die, especially with that picture....

1337 haxor
September 25, 2011, 10:23 AM
DRAGONS ARE FUKKEN INSANE!

That thing alone made all of FT shit their pants and Gildartz being the first to yell "RUN MOTHAFUKARS RUN!" confirms that Acnologia is beyond ridiculous when it comes to power.

Some people complained the beast didn't use magic, why would he?

Do you use a flamethrower to kill the roaches in your kitchen? Just a wham from his claws and all of FT is minced meat.

Acnologia regards humans so low that they are barely even worth of his magic, besides that if he fires that godlike nuclear death power of his nobody will survive.

Also, nobody dies of explosions in shonen, it has to be shown clearly in all of it's might.

Atobe the king
September 25, 2011, 10:36 AM
-I'm glad black dragon doesn't talk,would kill all of the novelty for me if he did..
-I'm guessing Acnologia is the weird dragon...and that a dragon slayers purpose is to stop rogues like him natsu did say "I'm a dragon slayer i should be fighting him"
-Also think that a new age of dragons is coming..
-RIP old man :(

Sollum
September 25, 2011, 10:50 AM
Damn, i was listening to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W63Zi1g4D90) while reading chapter >.> It made this chapter so sad, yet so epic.

After Zeref said his line and added "AGAIN", i remembered Cell from DBZ >.> Imagine Dragon Slayers reverting back into babies and crawling into an Eggs to sleep long long long long time <.<


By the way, i don't think that Zeref is Nightmare (or black) Dragon Slayer. Note how all Dragon slayer magic starts or ends with " * Fire/Air/Metal Dragon *", like:
Fire Dragons Roar
Kick of Fire Dragon

Tho Wendies spells don't seem to have that "slayerish" part.

Maybe Zeref is pupil of Acnologia, thought to black magic, instead of dragon slaying magic.

dragoon3646
September 25, 2011, 10:55 AM
Hi guys, I don't post comments here much but I always read your post. I just got a crazy thought about the black dragon and Zeref, you know like how Natsu is the fire dragon slayer and eats fire, what if Acnologia isn't the dragon of death but is really the dragon of life. which would make sense because then he would eat life causing death. this would go along with Zeref's life and death magic. making life and eating life too. Eating their own element makes them stronger, which is why both Acnologia and Zeref are so powerful.

Ratatosk
September 25, 2011, 11:17 AM
I haven't posted much on this series, but seriously, chapters like this are why I read Fairy Tail... it goes from blah boobs cheese nakama legions of annoying cats to suddenly, it's a motherfcking Dragon!:D

I'm guessing they're like Earthsea dragons, will only talk to (instead of eat) people they find interesting.
Also, wtf is an apocalypse dragon? instead of fire or wind or iron it breathes armageddon?

kakashidad
September 25, 2011, 11:24 AM
The black dragon acknowlogia is nothing more than a very bad dragon lol.Remember it chooses
NOT to communicate with humans.What does that make zeref i hear you ask?? simply put.The exception.We've enough hints thoughout the manga sofar,to say that natsu wendy and gazeille
dragons communicated with them.It stands to very reasonable reasons to me at least.
That the different dragon have different personality...thems my thoughts on that anyway.:D

ndulzky
September 25, 2011, 11:27 AM
Oh woww...this new chapter!!! Oh my gosh...
Unike exacta, I did not know this was coming at all! Maybe I'm just stupid, but the last couple of chapters have been kinda anticlimactic, so I thought this arc was ending soon, and as usual, it will be a happy ending, and that nobody died.

I still remember the vision that Charlee saw, that somebody cried, but I thought I saw a lot of people cried during the battle already.

And yes, the last page of the last chapter did say something about disaster coming...but I just never thought Makarov will die!!! I was so relieved when he survived from the battle before...and just like you said, it's more likely that he will be finished off by the dragon this time...sob sob...

I am so sad...I don't want Makarov to die...but to be honest, yes it will make it a good story...

FRINGE
September 25, 2011, 12:53 PM
This chapter with the terrifying Black Dragon Acnologia making its arrival has made FT's story progress even further and its power is awesome yet scary. Glidartz knows how friggin strong that thing is and it looks like Zeref knows Acnologia cannot be stopped nor reason with. Its the "Bringer of Destruction" for this big baddie, and its sad that Makarov (Gramps) is going to die for the sake of Nastu and the others. T_T he lived a long life and he was great master who loved his guild like family... I felt a deep sorrow knowing what the end of the arc will bring when it started, I knew Gramps was going to die.... its so sad...

OPN
September 25, 2011, 01:33 PM
this chapter was freaken awesome. from begining too end and acnoglia has so far lived up too the hype. i predict that the third magic is a literal fairy tail that makes illusion magic that traps its opponent in a illusion for who knows how long and makes them suffer true hell...though thats my two cents. its starting too seem like dragons will be the new main antagonists and it would certainly fit. i also think markarov will die but before he dies he has a flashback about all his children and right when the dragon is about too attack FT igneel,metalcana and grandine appear and we have a flashback explaining the origins of dragons and the whole deal with 777 explained then we will have a epic dragon battle....but i doubt it will happen sadly.

shuha27
September 25, 2011, 02:10 PM
Great chapter! Finally we get to see a dragon in action. It seems like Makarov knows some information about the black dragon.

I remember how I always wanted someone to die in FT but now that it might happen...I don't want to see it happen :(

Rarhyx
September 25, 2011, 02:21 PM
http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/86710913/17
the top 3 panels touched my heart :/

laxus becomes slowly one of my fav. chars in ft^^

Ifrit
September 25, 2011, 02:33 PM
Great chapter! Finally we get to see a dragon in action. It seems like Makarov knows some information about the black dragon.

I remember how I always wanted someone to die in FT but now that it might happen...I don't want to see it happen :(

exactly it make me wonder here

http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/86710913/6

I think Makarov was ready for this day...I think Makarov knew about it all this time "Poryushika" that weird women prophecy. maybe this is what Makarov meant by you will understand one day.

Brotor
September 25, 2011, 03:01 PM
Dragon-awesome
Makarov fighting Dragon - more awesome
Makarov dying - very NOT awesome (cause I like him)

but seriously beginning of new era ruled by Acnowlogia made me read this chapter 3 times

Chapter rating 9/10 (I really don't want Makarov to be dead)

Sevenheadedmirror
September 25, 2011, 04:53 PM
DIE MAKAROV, DIE, DIE, DIE!!!!!!! Muahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahah!... I hope it is real this time, if you think about it, it's very unlikely to happen (the situation came out of the blue). But seriously the man needs to die, Mashima has been teasing us with it for a long time and you know what you do with a teaser that never gives you anything: you break up with her.

... wait what? (lost my train of thought there)

White Silver King
September 25, 2011, 04:59 PM
Awesome, if sad chapter. I wish Makarov didn't have to die, but he really really does. FT needs to know what it means to lose something. The fact that Natsu still wanted to fight that dragon like an arrogant idiot despite Gildart's wisdom and Makarov's final wish for him to get away proves it.

...God I hate Natsu.


If humans are truly like insects to dragons, then what's the whole business with Dragonslayers is supposed to mean ?
Unless there is another truth behind it, I just don't get Zeref's logic.
Only Acnologia sees them as such, the other dragons obviously have some liking for humankind.

Naruffy
September 25, 2011, 06:53 PM
I actually want Makarov to die, I think that I'd bring a sad but much needed change to the manga. I feel like Makarov has been about to 'die' many times, but this time it may actually be real. On another note, why did Natsu say "I knew it, Dragon's really do exist" If he was raised by one?

DEATHBOTT
September 25, 2011, 07:03 PM
i wonder if gildarts will stay. he should try to help atleast.

halfcrzy
September 25, 2011, 07:15 PM
Huh on page 5 why was makarov's tattoo through his bandages? I kept looking at that and didnt get it. I think i found a woops! moment

sarutobi_sensei
September 25, 2011, 08:14 PM
I actually want Makarov to die, I think that I'd bring a sad but much needed change to the manga. I feel like Makarov has been about to 'die' many times, but this time it may actually be real. On another note, why did Natsu say "I knew it, Dragon's really do exist" If he was raised by one?

Mostly because most people didn't believe they still existed, apart from Makarov, Guildartz, members of the council, Gérard, Zero and members of the 7 kin of purgatory. Oh and most likely the spirits and Layla knew as well.

Of course that Natsu's friends believed in him, but they never thought they'd see one in their lifetime.

mr.danly
September 25, 2011, 08:42 PM
i wonder if gildarts will stay. he should try to help atleast.

um... seeing as the last time he faced up against acnowlogia, he got the s**t kicked out of him and lost an arm and a leg in about 2 seconds http://www.mangareader.net/135-44553-16/fairy-tail/chapter-166.html, there's really not much point in sacrificing his life ALONG with Makarov's. He wouldn't even slow Acnowlogia down much, most likely, and FT would have lost its two most powerful members in one go. Probably not a good idea.

exacta
September 25, 2011, 09:46 PM
I just thought of something! What if what made Zeref have a change of heart was Nirvana? He said he's been around for 400 years, he might have been around for when the Nirvites cast Nirvana even....

Ninja_Pirate
September 26, 2011, 02:15 AM
So gildartz will be the new master for FT... i hope its not erza or laxus..!!! what about the old lady who treated makarov before.. but another thing.. FT member could not die on the island because of the continuous replenishment done by the island.. so may be makarov might pull off after dragon leave him there half dead...

senewe
September 26, 2011, 02:54 AM
We won't be seeing Makarov for a while. He will make a comeback on later stage. He said that was his last Word as FT Master doesn't mean he has to die so someone could replace him. He is retiring and doing some plot-related 'freelance' job I guess.

wooticus
September 26, 2011, 03:12 AM
So gildartz will be the new master for FT... i hope its not erza or laxus..!!! what about the old lady who treated makarov before.. but another thing.. FT member could not die on the island because of the continuous replenishment done by the island.. so may be makarov might pull off after dragon leave him there half dead...

i think even the tenrou island protection has a limit and can't save makarov from the power of a dragon. Polyushka might indeed the person to decide over the next FT master. I guess she is keeping makarovs last will. So the S-class exam won't give us a new s-class mage but a new FT master.

But as i said before. Laxus will probably be the next master. He isn't ready yet, but imho Fairy Tail will be disbanded by the council after this arc.

Atobe the king
September 26, 2011, 06:27 AM
Awesome, if sad chapter. I wish Makarov didn't have to die, but he really really does. FT needs to know what it means to lose something. The fact that Natsu still wanted to fight that dragon like an arrogant idiot despite Gildart's wisdom and Makarov's final wish for him to get away proves it.

...God I hate Natsu.
.

Le sigh.

Lol natsu brought up the most obvious yet ignored fact in the series "I'm a dragon slayer and thats a dragon" why wouldn't he want to fight it. And really did you expect Natsu to NOT do that? Only Gidarltz has made him taste fear. That'd be completely out of character, more importantly he only did that to serve as a plot device even someone as thick as natsu could grasp what deep **** they were in when he saw laxus shaking.

And wtf? people wanted FT to get their asses handed to them..and how they always win...and nakama power up xn...and now someone is likely to die but suddenly no one wants it to happen :p?


I think that I'd bring a sad but much needed change to the manga

Death as drama is very overdone...it's not the only way to bring about dramatic change....especially when its a pointless death that only serves as artificial drama to a dull plot (not in this case though)

goldb
September 26, 2011, 06:36 AM
I dont necessarily like the idea of Makarov dying but it'd be interesting to see how the plot and guild progress without him. As for what Natsu said about fighting the black dragon; wasn't it said that only Dragonslayers can defeat dragons? hence their names.....? so Atobe is right there;
But poor Laxus; not being to save his grandpa and having to save face in order to evacuate everyone. Very emotional.

Darjaille
September 26, 2011, 06:58 AM
Yes, Makarov needs to die. I have a feeling every fight in this arc was accompanied with complaints of how dumb and unbelievable the ending was. Now, Makarov is facing the black dragon, and he cannot get out of it alive. Really, the dragon almost killed Gildartz (Gildartz who defeated Bluenote like nothing) in seconds.

Of course Natsu wanted to fight Acnologia, and he has the right. However, he is not strong enough yet. But Dragonslayer magic is the only thing, that could kill the dragon (or that's how I understand the whole Dragonslayer stuff).

I'm thinking the last FT spell (besides Fairy Law and Fairy Glitter) will be something used as the last resort when protecting your friends. Makarov somehow needs to stall Acnologia for long enough, so that others are safe, and I don't think they'd be safe on a boat in the middle of ocean, when it needs just one hit and you're sunk.

Then there's one more thing I think could happen. You know, the guy who started to like Fairy Tail. the teleport Mest. I think he really wants to save them.

Oh, and I agree with whoever said it. After this arc, the Council will label FT as dark guild, or they'll be disbanded and will exist just unofficially.

llamapie
September 26, 2011, 07:32 AM
Yes, Makarov needs to die. I have a feeling every fight in this arc was accompanied with complaints of how dumb and unbelievable the ending was. Now, Makarov is facing the black dragon, and he cannot get out of it alive. Really, the dragon almost killed Gildartz (Gildartz who defeated Bluenote like nothing) in seconds.

Of course Natsu wanted to fight Acnologia, and he has the right. However, he is not strong enough yet. But Dragonslayer magic is the only thing, that could kill the dragon (or that's how I understand the whole Dragonslayer stuff).

I'm thinking the last FT spell (besides Fairy Law and Fairy Glitter) will be something used as the last resort when protecting your friends. Makarov somehow needs to stall Acnologia for long enough, so that others are safe, and I don't think they'd be safe on a boat in the middle of ocean, when it needs just one hit and you're sunk.

Then there's one more thing I think could happen. You know, the guy who started to like Fairy Tail. the teleport Mest. I think he really wants to save them.

Oh, and I agree with whoever said it. After this arc, the Council will label FT as dark guild, or they'll be disbanded and will exist just unofficially.

Ya the ending to the whole hades fight seemed rushed to me. I mean I predicted it but I still expected something a bit more uh .. powerful? They off screened the heart which didn't make much sense to me. Zeref summoning the death dragon answers a lot of questions and also supports a few of my theories.

I think all the true dragon slayers are as ancient as Zeref, they're just reborn into certain eras with no memories except of their dragons. That's the reason Zeref tested Natsu, because Natsu should be capable of killing him. The words of Zeref this chapter were ominous of this as well. Its as if he's known him for a long time, its only Natsu has no recollection of that.

Anyways there is a back story to all their histories that should be coming up eventually since Mashima has slowly been leading us this way. First got me thinking about this when Natsu couldn't go through that barrier because it read him as over 80 years old.

Beyond that I like the idea of FT becoming a dark guild, it would be pretty awesome to see how they all handle it. All the dark guilds we've seen have been dark for a reason, they're genuinely bad people. FT is different though, they're just strong and reckless but still good natured. I hope Mashima takes that as an opportunity to make Natsu work to be stronger instead of randomly powering him up in fights. Its just not satisfying how inexplicably strong he becomes for no reason whatsoever. It just lacks that general anime feeling where main characters train and then we see the results as they overcome foes they previously couldn't. Mashima has skipped that step altogether and Natsu having a reason like protecting the guild would be a nice change of pace.

ca12nag3
September 26, 2011, 09:23 AM
Ya the ending to the whole hades fight seemed rushed to me. I mean I predicted it but I still expected something a bit more uh .. powerful? They off screened the heart which didn't make much sense to me. Zeref summoning the death dragon answers a lot of questions and also supports a few of my theories.

I think all the true dragon slayers are as ancient as Zeref, they're just reborn into certain eras with no memories except of their dragons. That's the reason Zeref tested Natsu, because Natsu should be capable of killing him. The words of Zeref this chapter were ominous of this as well. Its as if he's known him for a long time, its only Natsu has no recollection of that.

Anyways there is a back story to all their histories that should be coming up eventually since Mashima has slowly been leading us this way. First got me thinking about this when Natsu couldn't go through that barrier because it read him as over 80 years old.

Beyond that I like the idea of FT becoming a dark guild, it would be pretty awesome to see how they all handle it. All the dark guilds we've seen have been dark for a reason, they're genuinely bad people. FT is different though, they're just strong and reckless but still good natured. I hope Mashima takes that as an opportunity to make Natsu work to be stronger instead of randomly powering him up in fights. Its just not satisfying how inexplicably strong he becomes for no reason whatsoever. It just lacks that general anime feeling where main characters train and then we see the results as they overcome foes they previously couldn't. Mashima has skipped that step altogether and Natsu having a reason like protecting the guild would be a nice change of pace.

There is some things to consider however, their hometown supports FT even if FT is somewhat reckless at times. I think there is a clear distinction in what a dark guild is. Its not just a banned guild. Dark guilds are created from mages that are banned from guilds or being outlawed all together and they group together and form dark guilds.

Another factor is that we have seen a dark FT in the mirror world, where FT was outlawed and became a dark guild. Mashima isnt a guy that reuses the same construction twice in the same story.

So FT as dark guild is a slim chance. At best they could put FT under supervision and send some cronies to keep FT in line. Or disband FT all together.

exacta
September 26, 2011, 10:18 AM
Another factor is that we have seen a dark FT in the mirror world, where FT was outlawed and became a dark guild. Mashima isnt a guy that reuses the same construction twice in the same story.



Yes he does.......he's put Makarov in a situation where it looks like hes going to die FOUR times now. He created three characters that are Sieghart from Rave Master clones. How many times has he had Natsu win a fight by eating something? He's also used the idea of Fairy Tail being surprise-attacked by a dark guild twice now. Not complaining or anything, just saying that just because he toyed with the idea of Fairy Tail being labeled as a dark guild or being outlawed once doesn't mean he won't do it again,especially since it was Edolas Fairy Tail.

The fact that freaking Zeref was chilling on FT's island looks pretty darn suspicious.....the Council could easily try and pull something on FT for that, even though it's not their fault. That Gran Dorma guy doesn't seem to be very reasonable.

ca12nag3
September 26, 2011, 10:43 AM
Yes he does.......he's put Makarov in a situation where it looks like hes going to die FOUR times now. He created three characters that are Sieghart from Rave Master clones. How many times has he had Natsu win a fight by eating something? He's also used the idea of Fairy Tail being surprise-attacked by a dark guild twice now. Not complaining or anything, just saying that just because he toyed with the idea of Fairy Tail being labeled as a dark guild or being outlawed once doesn't mean he won't do it again,especially since it was Edolas Fairy Tail.

The fact that freaking Zeref was chilling on FT's island looks pretty darn suspicious.....the Council could easily try and pull something on FT for that, even though it's not their fault. That Gran Dorma guy doesn't seem to be very reasonable.

I said within the same manga, so dont come to me with Sieg lol.
Also the structure is where Makarov = injured already, his wounds are breaking up as hes taking on the dragon. If this isnt clear enough i dont see what is. Its not the same thing when Makarov lost to Hades but survived.
The hit he took from Hades is where now the blood is gushing out. So its all planned ahead by the writer how the 2prong hit of Hades and the dragon on Makarov will cost him his life.

The dark guild twice? What dark guild twice?

-Erigor (Eisenwald guild) didnt attack FT but the council, they tried to nullify the FT members in particular Erza from coming to the rescue.
-Phantom was a legal guild
-Orasion Seis was them attacking a dark guild with the alliance.
-Jelal+Tower wasnt even a guild.
-Kingdom wasnt a guild but a entire world/civilization in the other dimension.
-Grimoir Hearts is the FIRST guild that attacks them.

Btw the wound ^^

Where Hades shot him. (http://www.goodmanga.net/fairy_tail/chapter/216/17)
Here is where he starts bleeding when holding the dragon the 2nd pallet bottom left. (http://www.goodmanga.net/fairy_tail/chapter/252/15)

1337 haxor
September 26, 2011, 12:34 PM
Yes, Makarov needs to die. I have a feeling every fight in this arc was accompanied with complaints of how dumb and unbelievable the ending was. Now, Makarov is facing the black dragon, and he cannot get out of it alive. Really, the dragon almost killed Gildartz (Gildartz who defeated Bluenote like nothing) in seconds.

Of course Natsu wanted to fight Acnologia, and he has the right. However, he is not strong enough yet. But Dragonslayer magic is the only thing, that could kill the dragon (or that's how I understand the whole Dragonslayer stuff).

I'm thinking the last FT spell (besides Fairy Law and Fairy Glitter) will be something used as the last resort when protecting your friends. Makarov somehow needs to stall Acnologia for long enough, so that others are safe, and I don't think they'd be safe on a boat in the middle of ocean, when it needs just one hit and you're sunk.

Then there's one more thing I think could happen. You know, the guy who started to like Fairy Tail. the teleport Mest. I think he really wants to save them.

Oh, and I agree with whoever said it. After this arc, the Council will label FT as dark guild, or they'll be disbanded and will exist just unofficially.

It was me who predicted FT will become a Dark Guild first if you are interested.

It was bound to happen the moment you have criminal characters like Ultear, Meredy and Jellal becoming good guys who cannot join a light guild without being arrested.

Fairy Tail will be ordered to disband by council rule, however, they will resist of course and war will erupt between them and the council.

So far, as much as Magnolia Town loves their guild, they will either be shut up by the council's war machine or be told that Fairy Tail was responsible for awakening Zeref.

Also, since Purehito was the second Fairy Tail master there are high chances that everybody on the good side will actually belive FT was actually seeking to awake Zeref the whole time at least until truth is revealed.

My prediction is as following:

-Fairy Tail returns to Magnolia to find the guild has been raided by the council and most secondary members were arrested.

-The core mages that returned in the ship will attempt a prison break possibly with the help of Ultear and Meredy and this will lead to Jellal joining their group.

-The prison break succeeds only partially as most mages remain imprisioned while FT escape to the bad lands with Doranbalt's help, this lead to him being expelled from the council and joining Fairy Tail.

-Lost in the middle of nowhere and without a clear goal besides freeing their friends and finding a way to stop Acnologia the guild will end up attacked by Raven Tail since it sounds like the best idea to face them at their weakest.

-The battle with Raven Tail will be a decisive turn in morale, Laxus will finally accept his role as guild master (even if he is pointed out now he will probably have doubts about it), there is high chance a new dragon slayer will join their group, everyone's powers will boost and Ivan will finally have a settlement with his family and former guild.

-If Mashima wants to hit the nail on irony he can create a new Ballam Alliance composed of Fairy Tail, Raven Tail and Tartaros.

Atobe the king
September 26, 2011, 02:09 PM
Yes he does.......he's put Makarov in a situation where it looks like hes going to die FOUR times now

Aww man this made my day. So true.


It was bound to happen the moment you have criminal characters like Ultear, Meredy and Jellal becoming good guys who cannot join a light guild without being arrested.

So you'd like this addition as well?

exacta
September 26, 2011, 03:46 PM
I said within the same manga, so dont come to me with Sieg lol.
Also the structure is where Makarov = injured already, his wounds are breaking up as hes taking on the dragon. If this isnt clear enough i dont see what is. Its not the same thing when Makarov lost to Hades but survived.
The hit he took from Hades is where now the blood is gushing out. So its all planned ahead by the writer how the 2prong hit of Hades and the dragon on Makarov will cost him his life.

The dark guild twice? What dark guild twice?

-Erigor (Eisenwald guild) didnt attack FT but the council, they tried to nullify the FT members in particular Erza from coming to the rescue.
-Phantom was a legal guild
-Orasion Seis was them attacking a dark guild with the alliance.
-Jelal+Tower wasnt even a guild.
-Kingdom wasnt a guild but a entire world/civilization in the other dimension.
-Grimoir Hearts is the FIRST guild that attacks them.

Btw the wound ^^

Where Hades shot him. (http://www.goodmanga.net/fairy_tail/chapter/216/17)
Here is where he starts bleeding when holding the dragon the 2nd pallet bottom left. (http://www.goodmanga.net/fairy_tail/chapter/252/15)

True Phantom Lord wasn't a dark guild, but it functioned like one in the sense that it was a bunch of antagonists having purely evil reasons for their actions ambushing FT. Okay then, there have already been two arcs where Fairy Tail has been randomly ambushed by a GUILD. Call that too broad to be similiar if you want, but that would contradict FT not being labeled a dark guild twice, because the reason for it being disbanded in Edolas would be a different one if this were to happen.

And Sieg Hart is brought into this. Why? Because first we have Sieg Rein, a clone of Sieg Hart. Then we have Jellal, a clone of Sieg Rein, thus a clone of Sieg Hart. THEN we have Mystogan, looking just like Jellal, thus looking like Sieg Rein exactly, thus being another design of Sieg Hart.

The first time Mashima did it, it wasn't a rehash. But then he made a clone of the clone, and then ended up having a clone of a clone of a clone, so Sieg definitely counts.

And yes him being wounded by Hades is basically the same. Makarov had to be healed by Wendy, he was in critical condition. He got hit by an Amaterasu Seal, slammed against the terrain by Hades chains, and got a beam through his chest, then let his hand get set of fire by Zancrows godflames. Why would he have sent out his will to Luxus if he was not concerned about him surviving this?

Then there was when Aria absorbed his power, and then there was when he fell ill during the Star Festival. And now theres Acnologia, so thats twice in the same arc actually. Mashima has always been making it look like Makarov is going to die. This time, I think he's really going to do it though.

White Silver King
September 26, 2011, 05:14 PM
Le sigh.

:cookiestare


Lol natsu brought up the most obvious yet ignored fact in the series "I'm a dragon slayer and thats a dragon" why wouldn't he want to fight it.
I don't know, maybe, just maybe, because that same dragon nearly slaughtered the man who made Natsu cry and fall to his knees from just being in the prescense of his full-power; or maybe because that same man taught Natsu a valuable lesson that you can't beat everyone as he was choking on his own tears; or maybe because it was his Master's dying wish that he run away.


And really did you expect Natsu to NOT do that?
I thought that because of the seriousness of the situation, Mashima would prove me wrong.


Only Gidarltz has made him taste fear.
And that dragon made Gildarts taste his own organs.


That'd be completely out of character,
That's the point. It's called growth.


And wtf? people wanted FT to get their asses handed to them..and how they always win...and nakama power up xn...and now someone is likely to die but suddenly no one wants it to happen ?
It's not that, Makarov does need to die, as nearly every post in this thread says. It's just sad he's going to die, his character was likable. IMO, though, it's sadder that he has to die. Had Mashima allowed FT to know loss before this situation - it doesn't even have to be a loss of life, just a major loss - he wouldn't have to kill off Makarov to allow FT to really experience what it means to travel the path of life.

Atobe the king
September 26, 2011, 05:51 PM
I don't know, maybe, just maybe, because that same dragon nearly slaughtered the man who made Natsu cry and fall to his knees from just being in the prescense of his full-power; or maybe because that same man taught Natsu a valuable lesson that you can't beat everyone as he was choking on his own tears; or maybe because it was his Master's dying wish that he run away.

Idk if you've noticed but after that fight he's exhibited none of that and has been the same ole same ole, which is why none of his actions surprised me.


I thought that because of the seriousness of the situation, Mashima would prove me wrong.

I wasn't expecting any silliness or anime faces but even in deep **** like that mashima wants "comic relief" present i guess.


That's the point. It's called growth.

Have to be careful with that, "growth" can effectively "kill" a character if you know what i mean (and why shounen heroes tend not to change much)

it doesn't even have to be a loss of life, just a major loss

Indeed but death is the easiest most classic method.

ca12nag3
September 26, 2011, 06:50 PM
True Phantom Lord wasn't a dark guild, but it functioned like one in the sense that it was a bunch of antagonists having purely evil reasons for their actions ambushing FT. Okay then, there have already been two arcs where Fairy Tail has been randomly ambushed by a GUILD. Call that too broad to be similiar if you want, but that would contradict FT not being labeled a dark guild twice, because the reason for it being disbanded in Edolas would be a different one if this were to happen.

And Sieg Hart is brought into this. Why? Because first we have Sieg Rein, a clone of Sieg Hart. Then we have Jellal, a clone of Sieg Rein, thus a clone of Sieg Hart. THEN we have Mystogan, looking just like Jellal, thus looking like Sieg Rein exactly, thus being another design of Sieg Hart.

The first time Mashima did it, it wasn't a rehash. But then he made a clone of the clone, and then ended up having a clone of a clone of a clone, so Sieg definitely counts.

And yes him being wounded by Hades is basically the same. Makarov had to be healed by Wendy, he was in critical condition. He got hit by an Amaterasu Seal, slammed against the terrain by Hades chains, and got a beam through his chest, then let his hand get set of fire by Zancrows godflames. Why would he have sent out his will to Luxus if he was not concerned about him surviving this?

Then there was when Aria absorbed his power, and then there was when he fell ill during the Star Festival. And now theres Acnologia, so thats twice in the same arc actually. Mashima has always been making it look like Makarov is going to die. This time, I think he's really going to do it though.

You keep bringing up Sieg plz man i said withIN the same STORY/MANGA im not crossreferencing about Rave. So dont do that while quoting me.

Also characters going down and getting back up is normal in all of Mashimas mangas so the Aria thing i shrug it off. If you dont like it dont read FT. and you cant say both Jelal and Myst are copies of Sieg, why? Well since were officially talking about paralel worlds, there is a copy of everyone except Makarov/Lisanna/Gajeel (only anime).
Your kind of ranting about Sieg a bit too much. Since both Grey and Gajeel are extracted from Musica. In the end like i said i didnt talk about crossreference with the other mangas of Mashima. So its pointless to go on about it.

As for the dark guilds attacking FT it is only GH so end story on that. Its facts im after not feelings ^^ sorry.

exacta
September 26, 2011, 07:10 PM
You keep bringing up Sieg plz man i said withIN the same STORY/MANGA im not crossreferencing about Rave. So dont do that while quoting me.

Also characters going down and getting back up is normal in all of Mashimas mangas so the Aria thing i shrug it off. If you dont like it dont read FT. and you cant say both Jelal and Myst are copies of Sieg, why? Well since were officially talking about paralel worlds, there is a copy of everyone except Makarov/Lisanna/Gajeel (only anime).
Your kind of ranting about Sieg a bit too much. Since both Grey and Gajeel are extracted from Musica. In the end like i said i didnt talk about crossreference with the other mangas of Mashima. So its pointless to go on about it.

As for the dark guilds attacking FT it is only GH so end story on that. Its facts im after not feelings ^^ sorry.

Don't like it don't read it? Wasn't complaining about FT remember? I was just saying that it is entirely possible Mashima can make FT a dark guild. Mashima reuses things, its a fact. You missed the point of my sieg rant. I'll rephrase it for you. He reused the idea of someone looking like Jellal TWICE. The Edolas arc doesn't change the fact that Mashima used someone looking like Jellal as a plot twist TWICE.

And there are still arcs with two enemy guilds randomly attacking Fairy Tail. And they'll probably be ambushed by another one again in the future, it seems likely. My feelings are not hurt.....these are cold hard facts. Mashima reuses certain ways of storytelling, and theres nothing to cross out the possibility that the Council will label FT as a dark guild. Like I said, the most freaking evil mage in history was chilling on their island.