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August 27, 2011, 04:16 AM
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September 03, 2011, 04:48 PM
Chapters out on MS (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/11960306/1)

September 03, 2011, 05:01 PM
Typical 'end of arc' chapter with great comedy and good (but predictable) end.

I loved Raijinshuu's reaction to Laxus (Fried x__x)
Gildarts popping up from nowhere as well, masochist Juvia and I think something else I don't remember now.

Here it is, Hades lost a battle, but WON a war, Zeref is in a state of awakening and Hades with (just) two of his minions are alive. Though I would not let somebody I know I wouldn't be able to defeat without tree-power up get out of there alive, but that's Fairy Tail (as guild) for you.
Now if GH comes of this alive or become oneshoted by Zeref? I don't think he'll kill them, they'll just become his slaves :toc

Thinking about it, it may not be over for this arc as I don't think we've seen all of Charle's visions (and we still don't have an S-Class as Natsu pointed out).

Anyway, I expected Lucy-secret oriented chapter, I so expected it, but I'll wait. That way I know I'll be interested in FT no matter what kind of chapters are ahead of us.

SO, what have I wanted to say? I think it was a pretty good chapter in style 'nothing much happens' (except Zeref:p) and I'm looking forward to a new (or maybe not) arc and a threat of apocalypse.

September 03, 2011, 05:26 PM
Guess this thread will be converted to the new discussion thread, so I'll post here, since chapter is already out :]

Agreed, he lost a battle but won the war! What surprised me though is that Marakov made it through this thick skull of his, atleast, it seemed like he did... Then soon after Zeref appears, and Hades seems to have "second thoughts" about resurrecting him.

My guess is that Hades and his guild members are no way evil enough for Hades, and they're in deep s**t at the moment, though, he'll probably use them for a while before throwing them away.. :o

As predicted this chapter redeemed the previous one, well was pretty obvious though.. What seems unchanged no matter what is how little impact there is behind actions though, it takes so little to do big changes in Fairy Tale... Be it Zeref suddenly ressurected, Hades seemingly got doubts about his dark side (magic) thoughts from a teaching he himself has given, which seems pretty hard to forget. Such things, really hate that it takes so little... I'd want more work behind the story/plot :(

Oh well, the manga still rocks :tem

Off-topic: Oki, what happen to Mangahelpers all day...? seemed down for atleast 12 hours :blink

September 05, 2011, 11:17 AM
Well decent ending for a very long arc. i also loved the comedy and i'm curious about the next chapter.

Here is what i think will happen:

Makarov not giving Hades the last blow when he could is quite typical - it foreshadows makarovs death by hades at the end of the manga i guess. Moreover it would be quite idiotic to let hades get away just to be oneshotted by zeref. So Hades lost his heart-power but will gain a zeref powerup. Also will that zeref powerup make quite a good opponent out of rustyrose. As for the voodoo guy whose name i can't remember: he will probably be the one who get's killed by zeref as a demonstration of power, he is just comic and was by far the weakest of those 7 kin.

September 05, 2011, 11:47 AM
So is it me or it doesnt seem like the arc ended yet? isnt zeref and grimoire still on the island or they left. well satisfying end of arc so i guess now its the zeref arc :/

September 05, 2011, 12:38 PM
They left, and the big bad wolf Hades is about to get his butt handed to him by Zeref(like everyone predicted).

Atobe the king
September 05, 2011, 12:40 PM
Also don't think the arc is over, liked the chapter but everyone said what i had to say basically :(. I lol'd@makarov and laxus

September 05, 2011, 03:24 PM
I said Mashima already forgot Charle's prediction... End of arc! Later we'll see the implications of Zeref's discovery in the world, the world and the council will have to prepare themselfs to what is coming.

September 05, 2011, 03:54 PM
The arc's definitely not over quite yet. No closing narration from Lucy, they haven't returned to the guild yet, S-Class portion and Cana's subplot unfinished, etc. Probably a couple more chapters before things wrap up.

I said Mashima already forgot Charle's prediction...

Which prediction would that be?

Atobe the king
September 05, 2011, 04:05 PM
Natsu crying iirc

September 05, 2011, 04:07 PM
The arc's definitely not over quite yet. No closing narration from Lucy, they haven't returned to the guild yet, S-Class portion and Cana's subplot unfinished, etc. Probably a couple more chapters before things wrap up.

Which prediction would that be?

Natsu crying. I thought the Arc ended till I saw Zeref. finally some Zeref story now...can't wait..LOVED THE CHAPTER very funny.

but I was hoping for Meldy & Ultear ending story.

September 05, 2011, 05:03 PM
Natsu crying iirc

See, the thing about Natsu crying, is that could easily be Natsu losing to Gildarts, and Mashima just screwed up the pose. Easily done if he changed it between the draft the the final, then used the draft when drawing the chapter to remind himself. Alternatively, Mashima never intended to be that in your face about when a particular vision occurred, and just assumed people were smart enough to make the connection. Cana's for example was a close up shot in Charles vision, and a distance shot when it actually occurred.

September 05, 2011, 05:25 PM
See, the thing about Natsu crying, is that could easily be Natsu losing to Gildarts, and Mashima just screwed up the pose. Easily done if he changed it between the draft the the final, then used the draft when drawing the chapter to remind himself. Alternatively, Mashima never intended to be that in your face about when a particular vision occurred, and just assumed people were smart enough to make the connection. Cana's for example was a close up shot in Charles vision, and a distance shot when it actually occurred.

with the next 2 chapters we will find out...I guess...but if I recall right...Natsu face was facing the ground when he lost to Gildartz in Charle's vision he was crying while looking @ some1.

I don't think the Arc ended. there is more coming. Boy stare @ the sea. something is going to happen for every1 on Tenrou Island I think. If this happen and Mashima finally decide to use some1 outside the strongest team circle. for example Ultear using her magic Arc of time to go back in time to change things ( She can do it if Zeref Awake )

September 06, 2011, 03:07 PM
Arc was a major disappointment, but that was a pretty good way to end it. In the end,it seems GH really is going to get Zeref,which is good. Of course, if Mashima was planning on that happening anyway, it would've made more sense to have GH win, and would've been better, but, whatever....at least this chapter was very decent. Maybe Zeref will have Hades fly him to visit other dark guilds and he will unite them all under him??? I have a feeling Mashima is going to to do what he had Lucia do in Rave in order to setup the final setting. But I still think Fairy Tail has a while to go before it gets to that point.

Whatever happened to the Council firing Etherion??? I hope FT will clash with them in the future. The new council leader looks pretty powerful. It'd be great to see him fight Hades or something in the future....

September 06, 2011, 06:55 PM
If Zeref will be the one leading Grimoire heart now Mashima just replay his idea on Rave where
Oracion Seis lost then Lucia Raregroove become the leader
well I pretty much predict this will be the end in this arc

September 06, 2011, 11:05 PM
See, the thing about Natsu crying, is that could easily be Natsu losing to Gildarts, and Mashima just screwed up the pose. Easily done if he changed it between the draft the the final, then used the draft when drawing the chapter to remind himself.That doesn't seem too likely to me, because the other events from the vision had matching artwork despite happening much later than Natsu's surrender, which was just 5 chapters after the vision.

September 07, 2011, 12:08 AM
This is my full comments (with also some predictions) of the last chapter of FT, I really want to know your opinion of what I wrote:

Makarov says to Hades that he will let him go away from the island alive, as a thanks for what he learned from him when Hades was the second FT’s master, with the name of Purehito.
Then Hades says that the next time he will surely destroy FT, what I don’t know is how he can still believe this after lost his heart and his magic.
Hades (after that Makarov said that the younger member of FT won against Hades) says that in the truth the island give to them the power that had his hearth, otherwise he would not have lost (in the truth he lost because he wanted to play with them, otherwise he would have defeat them in a second).
But I believe that he is wrong, it’s thanks to Ultear which she has sheltered the tree that they regained their magic.
Before of returning to the camp, Makarov asks Hades how he could fell into the darkness, then Hades speak again about the origins of the magic, that it began in the darkness, then he adds that he left the guild because he wanted to discover the truth about the world.
During the voyage he realized that the world is only a great falsehoods, and that the real world was that of Zereff, for that reason he awakened Zereff and acquired all the keys.
I must say that I really liked this page http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/11, because the breaking of the stick with FT’s ensign, represents the abandonment of FT ideals, the moments in which he stopped to be Purehito and began to be Hades.
While in last imagine where Hades raised his arm, together with his words, represents that he was really near to the “one magic”, he almost conquer it, but at the end he could reach it, he could not grab it.
To this Makarov responds that even if Hades would have found it, reach it, nothing would have change, this because the magic is alive, it change in time, so it’s not important if it was born in the darkness.
For the fact that the magic change continuously it can be described as “darkness”, light, red or blue.
And I think that is for this very reason that in the world there are so much type of magic (for example the creation magic (that of Ice), the transformation magic (that of the dragonslayer, of Mira, Elfman and Lisanna, and perhaps also that of Lluvia), the one who summon the things (as the user of the stellar spirit) or who use some cards (as Cana or one of the Erza’s friends (the one who imprisoned her in one of his cards)).
And the ironically the one who taught to Makarov this was Hades himself when he was still Purehito, and it’s for this reason that Makarov is pissed of http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/13.
I must say than in the first imagine of this page http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/14 seem that Hades receives an electric shock, a revelation, similar to that who receives Ultear in this pages http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/16 http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/17.
Anyways I believe that this arc is very similar, reflects Full Metal Alchemist.
In fact we have the 7 deadly sins, led by someone who as the “Homunculus father” give up/lost his feelings.
In fact while the “father” in FMA really dismissed his feelings/sins for real, creating so the homunculus, here we can says that Hades did the same (also in the truth he still can feel the emotions, for example the pride and the wrath) why he took out his heart.
And if as I believe Hades will be killed from Zereff, he will be killed or anyways defeated (for the “father” in FMA) forever from who he tried to have/reach http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-25/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-26/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-27/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html http://www.mangareader.net/116-53187-29/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-108.html.
And he will die trembling in fear, just as happened to the father in FMA (in fact Hades already trembling at the end of the last chapter http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/19), and this after fear his enemies (in fact I really hope that just before of die he will remember what he said here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/243/17http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/243/18.
Then if as I believe Ultear will be forgiven from Meredy and so she will live, she is in some way reborn, like happened with Salim Bradley, and both represent the sin of “pride”.
Anyways I must say that also before of the chapter 248 I was sure that Ultear would be reborn anew as she thought herself here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/248/10.
I believed this because this image http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/14 represents (as Ultear herself think that) that she is in her mother bell, then this imagine http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/16, the fact that with Gray’s ice she leave her mother bell, represents that she is born again, and to confirm this there is Gray that says to her what her mother thought when she born http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/241/17.
The only think that will be different is that Meredy (which represents the sin of “Wrath”) will live too.
Anyways I must say that I am not totally satisfied from this chapter.
In fact leaving aside that Erza has not requested some information to Hades what Azuma said here
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/238/3, but I can accept it, in fact in the truth I am happy because I think this will be explained in some chapters from Ultear, when she will came with Meredy for met with Gray and Erza.
What I really wanted to see is how Purehito/Hades fell in the darkness, we have only got 2 pages (in fact the lack of flashback it’s the greatest weakness) and beside that, instead that doing everything only for mere curiosity, just only for knowing as was the world in which Zereff lived, I would have preferred that during the trip something happened that changed him (for example during the voyage he would have come across in a machine that increased his darkness in the heart of the people (something like the Nirvana), or if not a machinery someone or an event).
I really hoped to see why and how Hades pulled out his heart, because frankly I don’t think that it was done only for increase his life-span.
I wanted to know also if he had his “Devil’s eye” when he was second FT’s master, and if not how he gained it, when he discovered it, but unfortunately I don’t believe that we will see it.
Anyways I believe that Zereff will kill all the three, but not all at once (before Kain and Rustyrose together, then Hades alone).
Before of dying, after seeing the death of RR and Kain, Hades will start to trembling (in the truth also in this chapter he begin to have fear http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/249/19), he will not be able to move even a muscle.
In fact before of the last chapter I thought that Hades would have survived, so he would have lived on the world that he wanted (because I was sure that Zereff would have been awakened), but unfortunately for him after losing his hearth and his mage he would have been in the hell, as RR said to Elfman and Evergeen here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/221/15, and that would have been the right punishment after all his crimes.
Anyways Zereff is not already awakened, he not became really evil, he is only angered, his facial expression is like that he had against Ultear, only counting the fact that now he is really near to his full awakening, so he is much more stronger that the time which he fought against Ultear.
Anyways Zereff will be fully awaked only after killing the 3 members of GH, then he will not have anymore regrets, rather he will be happy in killing the people and destroys the things, he will be really similar to Zero, the master of OS.
Then he will came back to the island, as the vision of Charle http://www.mangareader.net/135-57514-19/fairy-tail/chapter-201.html.
But before that Zereff will return to the island and reach the FT’s mage as I already said, Ultear and Meredy will arrive to meet with them, particularly with Gray and Erza.
There she will tell her backstory (perhaps we will skip this part because we already know it from the early chapters), he will confess that he manipulated Gerard and also that he destroyed Meredy’s town (so perhaps we will know something more about the Zereff’s key, also because I believe that the keys will be used for sealed Zereff again (I was already sure since the beginning of this arc, because I was sure that Ultear would have changed side)).
I think that before of Ultear’s confession about the fact that she was the one who destroyed Meredy town we will see in flashback, just only for few imagines/pages, the confrontation that there was between Meredy and Ultear (to tell the truth I hope that Ultear confessed it before that Meredy ask it).

September 10, 2011, 09:06 AM
WTF-en long post :/ no one will read that exept for me

September 10, 2011, 09:10 AM
WTF-en long post :/ no one will read that exept for me

I've read it. it's good actually. it's like a Review for everything "HighLights" I thank you for taking this long posting that ^_^

September 10, 2011, 10:02 AM
I didn't read the post because of no spaces between paragraphs lol.... At least for me it is kinda hard to read without those...

Anyways, I do expect the arc to be esentially over now, at least the part concerning zeref and hades. What I am wondering about is the council, it kinda seems like the last plot point to be dealt with. The guys in the advance squad actually feared ethereon could be used against the island again although it would be pointless now that zeref and grimmoire heart left. I do think that at least they will send an army to the island only to find that they all left. I wonder if this will be the trigger for FTs closing by the council. Grimmoire heart started the attack but just as with the oracion 6 the council was not happy about the warfare between guilds. In this regard, this would be the 3rd war between guilds in which fairy tail is involved.

One thing I just can't put my finger on is what is the connection between fairy tail and zeref. We know hades seeked zeref's power and it would make sense that zeref's connection to fairy tail had something to do with that.... The connection is actually obvious if we consider that zeref awoke in fairy tail's sacred place.

I wonder what will happen to hades, rustyrose and kain... Either they become zeref's lackeys or they get killed by him (which would not quite rule out them returning as demons serving hades).

Man, cant wait for the chapter today lol.

September 10, 2011, 11:26 AM
I thought about reading the essay like 3/4 times but every-time i stare at it i get dizzy so just forget it :P buy a enter key? :D

For the current development i think its not over yet, true Hades&co left and Zeref is the hitchhiker but we still have Ultear and Meredy on the island. She didnt look to happy at her foster-mom. So who knows what will happen between them.
We still havnt heard about the sad thing that the narrator (Lucy) talked about, so far there isnt much to be sad about since the island is restored etc. But who knows it might have to do with Zeref slipping away and they could have dealt with him here but failed to do so?
Other then that the sad thing might have to do with Meredy and Ultear.