Discussion Mother of Chaos

[SinofWraith]

Does anyoneelse think she may be on DK or SD level ? Also i just noticed she was first mentioned in chapter 234 .So Merlin's familiar and the other races outside of the 5 clans come from her

 

[Gut's is the man]

Very unlikely. The shear fact that the most powerful creation of her's can't even stand up to a albion speaks for how low compared to the DK and SD the MoC is. She'll probably be above the Fairy King and Giant king. But on par with the DK&SD is absurd.

 

[Kato756]

If theres a Mother, there could be a father..

Also, she could a "Quantity over Quality".

Considering the Vampires sided with the demons early in the war and then defected, I don´t think MC has a agenda, she probally is a mindless energy thingy

 

[Tavore]

Very unlikely. The shear fact that the most powerful creation of her's can't even stand up to a albion speaks for how low compared to the DK and SD the MoC is. She'll probably be above the Fairy King and Giant king. But on par with the DK&SD is absurd.

Who says the Vampire clan are her strongest? There's a Dragon God out there and judging by it's title should be stronger than the vampires.

 

[Napstablook]

Very unlikely. The shear fact that the most powerful creation of her's can't even stand up to a albion speaks for how low compared to the DK and SD the MoC is. She'll probably be above the Fairy King and Giant king. But on par with the DK&SD is absurd.

Who is to say the 5 clans did not come from her?

From how i understand Nakaba's answer to the question, he meant that all life came from this mother of chaos, inclusive of the 5 main clans.

 

[Gut's is the man]

Who is to say the 5 clans did not come from her?

From how i understand Nakaba's answer to the question, he meant that all life came from this mother of chaos, inclusive of the 5 main clans.

he in no way said such. He said that aside from the five clans there are monsters which all come from the mother of chaos.

 

[titantron91]

I think the Mother of Chaos is more of a primordial entity instead of a god-like entity like the Supreme Deity and the Demon King.

Primordial entities are not necessarily godly but they are ancient and must have quite the durability, longevity, and stamina. In short, they're really hard to kill and probably has ancient magic that no one knows about.

Plus, they are, at times, essential and fundamental components of a dimension/reality/universe. Killing them would have bad repercussions for everyone.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Considering series was inspired by the Bible and other holy books, it could be that the Mother of Chaos was inspired by Lilith? Maybe Vampires and Trolls were her creations?

Could she have been the DK and the SD ? Like, nephilim? Idk
Just hope we got more info on her.

 

[Mythoclast]

Who says the Vampire clan are her strongest? There's a Dragon God out there and judging by it's title should be stronger than the vampires.

Where is this stated?

 

[Gut's is the man]

Where is this stated?

Matrona's husband (and future pussy drowning victim) respects the dragon god.

 

[Mythoclast]

Matrona's husband (and future pussy drowning victim) respects the dragon god.

Which chapter did he mention it?

 

[Gut's is the man]

Which chapter did he mention it?

wasn;'t mentioned. It was in a guide book

 

[kkck]

So far the strongest mother of chaos related being we have seen is izraff and he is a bit of a letdown overall. At 4.8 PL he is not even outside what humanity can achieve. At the very least humanity's kings of old should be able to easily handle him. Realistically speaking for the mother of chaos to be all that the races under her would have to compare to the demon clan or goddess clan strength wise. Heck, the demon king's miasma creates high level demons out of run of the mill snakes.. I guess there is the dragon god out there but him being worshipped by zarpa, a powerless barbarian, is not much of an indication of anything. From a barbarian's perspective a red demon would seem pretty godlike also. Early in the manga tyrant dragons were feared by holy knights however when hawk eats one he gets about 600 pl and when he eats a red demon he gets about 1k pl. Then again, the most important thing to consider here is that we don't know anything about other mother of chaos creations. The dragon god could be as weak as a green demon or as strong as a commandment given the information we have..... The mother of chaos is probably reasonably powerful but her power could reasonably be anywhere between a high level demon and the demon king which as we know is a fairly large range. Nakaba does seem to be building up to something with her, if she is meant to be an enemy at some point odds are that will be something the current cast would be able to deal with. That would make her comparable to the sins nowadays, and that is assuming nakaba wants her to be dealt with by the sins and not, say, gilthunder.

 

[Baum]

Maybe Vampires and Trolls were her creations?

Not maybe. We got confirmation for both

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Who says the Vampire clan are her strongest? There's a Dragon God out there and judging by it's title should be stronger than the vampires.

My money is on that being Meliodas.

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Since Meliodas knows everybody I’m assuming he definitely knows the Mother of Chaos. Who knows maybe Meliodas was smashing her first

 

[LYEL]

I remember reading somewhere about MOC last year. It was Undina saying:
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/thre...33-discussion-234-predictions.3008859/page-23

You should check the mythology around the Hundun entity, starting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundun

Hundun (Chinese: 混沌; pinyin: Hùndùn; Wade–Giles: Hun-tun; literally: "muddled confusion") is both a "legendary faceless being" in Chinese mythology and the "primordial and central chaos" in Chinese cosmogony, comparable with the World egg...

I'd ran into it(not the actual being, the concept) years ago when I was reading on Religious History, but I tend to forget info I don't normally use, especially if associated with anything...too... scary.

So I'd imagine, in NnT,
- If it's pertaining to the dimension the action takes place in, it might be a "god" of the same standing or higher than the SD and DK, someone like a demiurge.
-If these "dark" beings all come from the Demon Realm, it might be a predecessor to the DK and Izraf( I'm not sure, but did they mention the Vampires' home dimension? I haven't managed to locate yet a translated fanbook card for any of the VC members)
-Or it could be someone preceding all these god-like beings and someone answering all these questions and theories on DC and GC having been one people at some point.
Anyway, @Notice me Escanor senpai brought something very interesting to the table and now I'm kinda hoping Arthur was actually asking Orlondi for more info on this MoC, not Merlin, though it's likely about Merlin and, ideally, info on one could lead to info on the other
I know, I'm asking for too much

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From this page on the discussion is mostly about her in this topic.

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http://thewayofshawn.blogspot.com.br/2012/01/mother-of-chaos.html

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If we translate the origin of the name Mother of Chaos them, she is the same as Hundun (chaos, confusion, etc) Mother, in other words, Merlin's most loved animal like we could see in the databook lol.

 

[Tavore]

My money is on that being Meliodas.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 18, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 18, 2018 ---

Since Meliodas knows everybody I’m assuming he definitely knows the Mother of Chaos. Who knows maybe Meliodas was smashing her first

Small problem with that Meliodas is a demon not a dragon.

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Small problem with that Meliodas is a demon not a dragon.

Demons can transform and Matrona husband is from the Savage Tribe aka the same as second Elizabeth. My money on Elizabeth died and the DRAGON sin Meliodas in rage/grief transform into something and the Savage Tribe saw the transformation and started worshipping it aka Dragon God.

 

[Tavore]

Demons can transform and Matrona husband is from the Savage Tribe aka the same as second Elizabeth. My money on Elizabeth died and the DRAGON sin Meliodas in rage/grief transform into something and the Savage Tribe saw the transformation and started worshipping it aka Dragon God.

Hmm you have a point I guess. But I doubt Meliodas would transform into a Indura over Elizabeth death though.

 

[OtakuFreak]

I remember reading somewhere that the Demon King supposedly respected or feared the Mother of Chaos?

Might be from a user just speculating, but is this ever mentioned anywhere?

As for my interpretations, I'd believe that she might be God level, considering the ability to create life seems pretty omnipotent.