Chapter Tower of God Chapter 485 Spoilers & Discussion

[Demonspeed]

I don't think so too that kallavan will join fug neither he will stay in zahad army. Many points as why he won't:
- he has stated he will be eternal enemy with baam, which block him to join the same organization with baam (fug)
- he won't stay in zahard army most likely since he has failed too many times in fulfilling the task. More punishment are waiting for him.
- HQ of zahard army (adori) had planned to get rid of him. He has no place in zahard army anymore. Totally.
- thus, if he ever survived in the arc, the best place for him to get a new place to stay is in wolhaiksong

Getting rid of him was a possibility if he disobeyed orders. They wanted his subordinates dead, not him.

We do know that he doesn't like Wolhaiksong.

 

[King Dryst]

Getting rid of him was a possibility if he disobeyed orders. They wanted his subordinates dead, not him.

We do know that he doesn't like Wolhaiksong.

Kallavan has never chimed in about Wolhaiksong. We can guess that he doesn't care for them, considering his ideals and Urek's well-known apathy toward the Tower.

 

[Pbgustang]

Kallavan is already a high ranker, don't you need to be a slayer candidate(regular) before? We also have no idea if FUG has an open slayer seat. From what we've read so far everyone seems to want to steal Baam's intended seat (Madd Dog, and White)

Well we do know that 4 seats are vacant. S

Still its such big dream of them to kill jahad and 10leaders. Knowing their 3 slayers here is only barely match to a corps commander. Karaka might be not even stronger/as skilled than vice commander like mcCage and elpathion

 

[Demonspeed]

Kallavan has never chimed in about Wolhaiksong. We can guess that he doesn't care for them, considering his ideals and Urek's well-known apathy toward the Tower.

IIRC SIU said in an afterword that Kallavan doesn't bother with them because they don't care about defeating Zahard but also because Urek is too strong for him.

 

[kkck]

Looking at the chapter... it feels like SIU hasn't settled on a look for mascheny. Sometimes he has more of a koon look, sometimes its more feminine and attractive... Or is that just me?

 

[O_n_Sly]

Well we do know that 4 seats are vacant. S

Still its such big dream of them to kill jahad and 10leaders. Knowing their 3 slayers here is only barely match to a corps commander. Karaka might be not even stronger/as skilled than vice commander like mcCage and elpathion

When was and Where is 4 vacant seats mentioned?

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Karaka is 11 and Baam will be the 12th seat. The 1-10 is luslec, white, imort, Yama, seto, and the rest unknown. I don’t see any vacancies for Kallavan

 

[lianecel]

When was and Where is 4 vacant seats mentioned?

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Karaka is 11 and Baam will be the 12th seat. The 1-10 is luslec, white, imort, Yama, seto, and the rest unknown. I don’t see any vacancies for Kallavan

They also never mention baam will be the 12th seat btw, its also just ur opinion

 

[O_n_Sly]

They also never mention baam will be the 12th seat btw, its also just ur opinion

Luslec being the 1st slayer and Karaka being the latest slayer at 11, one can safely assume that Baam will be 12 if he successfully becomes a slayer. I’m sorry it was not an opinion, I just know how to count!

 

[lianecel]

Luslec being the 1st slayer and Karaka being the latest slayer at 11, one can safely assume that Baam will be 12 if he successfully becomes a slayer. I’m sorry it was not an opinion, I just know how to count!

Nah they never mention slayer ar counted depent on their time as slayer, they also never mention all the seat is full, as long as i read tog they only mention luslec as first, yama as 7th, white as 10th and karaka as 11th, instead it wouldnt make sense to become 12th seat since there is only 11 people to murdered

 

[O_n_Sly]

Nah they never mention slayer ar counted depent on their time as slayer, they also never mention all the seat is full, as long as i read tog they only mention luslec as first, yama as 7th, white as 10th and karaka as 11th, instead it wouldnt make sense to become 12th seat since there is only 11 people to murdered

11 people to murder? Both Karaka and Baam are aiming at Jahad! Yama literally had no idea who he was aiming for until recently.

 

[Freecs13]

Guys, regarding the slayer matters, we can know a lot of informations simply from this link:

FUG

FUG (퍼그/FUG, Peogeu), led by Grace Mirchea Luslec, is the most dangerous and secretive criminal syndicate in the Tower. Their official members wear the "Mark of the Slayer". Although FUG’s true motives are not clearly known, it is true without a doubt that they exist in the shadows of the Tower...

towerofgod.fandom.com

I know it's made by the fans. But so far, the information given already quite accurate.

So. It was stated that:
- the structure of slayer is consist of 11 slayers. There's no the 12nd slayers position.
- these 11 slayers was intended to be a match against Zahard + 10 Family Head. So we can concluded that it was made for 11 vs 11.
- the big point here is that there are only 7 slayers active out of 11 position available.
- and then, the information was added with the another info, the remaining 4 seats actually are VACANT.
- thus, if baam ever succeeded become the next slayer, he won't be become the number 12th. I don't know what number will be given to him. Because not enough information given.(I'm prefer using facts rather than assumption)
- and lastly, the number of slayers given is based on random method. Not based on history of who came first (except luslec, he is the founding father). Because slayer White, as his title of ancient slayer, means he was come earlier than Yama.

And then, for who slayer will target who, so far is:
1. Slayer Luslec = target zahard + 10 FH
2. Baam = target Zahard
3. Slayer Yama = target Lo po bia (as his first priority) + remaining 9 FH
4. Slayer White = only target his father (Arie Hon)
5. Slayer Karaka = only target Zahard
6. slayer Imort = unknown target
7. slayer Pephomero Seto = unknown target

 

[kkck]

I daresay the information about slayers in there is probably mostly accurate. Though it is worth noting SIU did not exactly stick to the lore during the previous arcs and what we knew about the cage, yama and imort apparently no longer applies. Odds are that imort is still a thing, though his backstory will be different.

Luslec's target is something i am extremely curious about because what we know doesn't read like luslec targets whoever. Rather luslec probably has a specific target... And said target not being zahard can only mean there is a family head whom luslec hates more than zahard himself. And the only ones we can rule out are the ones whose targeter we know. To me gustang is a pretty huge candidate as he is someone who hated V, luslec's former boss, and gustang due to his own ambitions and intellect has played a monumental role in shaping the tower.

I wouldn't be surprised if bam becoming a slayer who wants to target zahard would mean he has to take out the slayer assigned that role. Though of course that leaves the rather awkward scenario of bam having to kill karaka.

 

[O_n_Sly]

I daresay the information about slayers in there is probably mostly accurate. Though it is worth noting SIU did not exactly stick to the lore during the previous arcs and what we knew about the cage, yama and imort apparently no longer applies. Odds are that imort is still a thing, though his backstory will be different.

Luslec's target is something i am extremely curious about because what we know doesn't read like luslec targets whoever. Rather luslec probably has a specific target... And said target not being zahard can only mean there is a family head whom luslec hates more than zahard himself. And the only ones we can rule out are the ones whose targeter we know. To me gustang is a pretty huge candidate as he is someone who hated V, luslec's former boss, and gustang due to his own ambitions and intellect has played a monumental role in shaping the tower.

I wouldn't be surprised if bam becoming a slayer who wants to target zahard would mean he has to take out the slayer assigned that role. Though of course that leaves the rather awkward scenario of bam having to kill karaka.

Didn’t know there were 11 seats and only 11 but whatever. I definitely don’t think slayer and FH target really apply anymore. Yama has not stated the he wants the LPB FH dead and to be honest why should he? B/c Yas’ deceit, that’s not the FH’s fault. Does White really want his father dead, or is he yearning for his fathers love and recognition? The only true enemy is Jahad. Besides makes no sense for slayers to target Gustang or the Ha FH since they are both at odds with Jahad, the 1 true enemy

 

[Demonspeed]

Slayers target Zahard and the FH, so logically they should be at least 11 but it doesn't mean they are 11 right now. White was once a Slayer but he got sealed. Nothing says that he didn't get replaced later.

The number could also be just that, a number. Number 11 might be for the Slayer targetting Zahard. It's also implied that there might be one Slayer for a target(Jinsung saying that Baam might take Karaka's seat and Karaka saying that Jinsung "chose" Baam".

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Didn’t know there were 11 seats and only 11 but whatever. I definitely don’t think slayer and FH target really apply anymore. Yama has not stated the he wants the LPB FH dead and to be honest why should he? B/c Yas’ deceit, that’s not the FH’s fault. Does White really want his father dead, or is he yearning for his fathers love and recognition? The only true enemy is Jahad. Besides makes no sense for slayers to target Gustang or the Ha FH since they are both at odds with Jahad, the 1 true enemy

He did. After he heard the full story from Doom. He said he'll never forgive Yasratcha and the FH.

 

[kkck]

Didn’t know there were 11 seats and only 11 but whatever. I definitely don’t think slayer and FH target really apply anymore. Yama has not stated the he wants the LPB FH dead and to be honest why should he? B/c Yas’ deceit, that’s not the FH’s fault. Does White really want his father dead, or is he yearning for his fathers love and recognition? The only true enemy is Jahad. Besides makes no sense for slayers to target Gustang or the Ha FH since they are both at odds with Jahad, the 1 true enemy

Yama spent a few eons not caring about anything fug whatsoever. That is the reason khel hellam was out to have him replaced. That and he wanted a dog army. Add to that, SIU made the point about each slayer targeting a specific family head rather recently, during the floor of death arc. Add to that, the relationships between family heads appear by all accounts complex. It's just not the case that zahard is the one true enemy. And even if zahard and gustang are mortal enemies (that might not be the case as they can't exactly kill each other as far as we know and gustang could have goals beyond dethroning zahard) it doesn't mean people in fug don't have a bone to pick with him. Based on what little we know of the family heads... hon seems a special kind of evil. Eduan is weird. Gustang is probably the most relevant family head after zahard, plot wise. the LPB family head is probably best friends with zahard... And thus an important enemy to overcome.

 

[shaheer]

His attempt to kill Lyborick is legitimate because Lyborick allowed him to come and try to kill him if the operation fails(it did since none of the heavy hitters of FUG died). Kallavan is breaking rules but he got Lyborick's consent so if he kills Lyborick he should be able to take his place without issues.

I wouldn't be so sure if there won't be any issues. I doubt adori will take it lightly if kallavan kills one of her subordinates whom she likes. And I doubt the hierarchy in military will be so simply be resolved ie if I mess up come and kill me then you take my place.
Most likely lyb just lied about the whole kill me and take my place.

 

[Demonspeed]

Added a poll.

I wouldn't be so sure if there won't be any issues. I doubt adori will take it lightly if kallavan kills one of her subordinates whom she likes. And I doubt the hierarchy in military will be so simply be resolved ie if I mess up come and kill me then you take my place.
Most likely lyb just lied about the whole kill me and take my place.

It's true that we don't know how close these two are but it's also why I said earlier that I think that she believes Lyborick is stronger than Kallavan. Still, she trusts him and he is the one who made this decision. Affection or not I don't think they would be dumb enough to kill Kallavan if he were to defeat Lyborick. He is still a huge asset. At worst they would capture him.

Lyborick still told him this with Maschenny and Yasratcha with him. I don't see him saying something like "I was lying". He seems to be a serious character.

Looking at the chapter... it feels like SIU hasn't settled on a look for mascheny. Sometimes he has more of a koon look, sometimes its more feminine and attractive... Or is that just me?

Her face does look weird sometimes. But it was more consistent in the last arc of S2. Probably because of his health issues.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Yama spent a few eons not caring about anything fug whatsoever. That is the reason khel hellam was out to have him replaced. That and he wanted a dog army. Add to that, SIU made the point about each slayer targeting a specific family head rather recently, during the floor of death arc. Add to that, the relationships between family heads appear by all accounts complex. It's just not the case that zahard is the one true enemy. And even if zahard and gustang are mortal enemies (that might not be the case as they can't exactly kill each other as far as we know and gustang could have goals beyond dethroning zahard) it doesn't mean people in fug don't have a bone to pick with him. Based on what little we know of the family heads... hon seems a special kind of evil. Eduan is weird. Gustang is probably the most relevant family head after zahard, plot wise. the LPB family head is probably best friends with zahard... And thus an important enemy to overcome.

Well besides Baam none of the slayers can come anywhere close to defeating a FH, so it seems pointless. And there seems to be an overlap for slayers targeting Jahad, so it doesn't seem like all FH's are targets. Gustang does not want to dethrone Jahad, he just wants to continue his adventure climbing the tower.

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He did. After he heard the full story from Doom. He said he'll never forgive Yasratcha and the FH.

We all saw the flashback, what exactly did the LPH FH do? Nothing. Yama's beef should end at Yas, imo.

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I wouldn't be so sure if there won't be any issues. I doubt adori will take it lightly if kallavan kills one of her subordinates whom she likes. And I doubt the hierarchy in military will be so simply be resolved ie if I mess up come and kill me then you take my place.
Most likely lyb just lied about the whole kill me and take my place.

Central command OK'd the demolishing of the former 4th squad, they only value Kallavan. If he defeats Raviolic, he'll probably have to kill his remaining followers and agree to lead the new 4th squad. I don't see Kalla agreeing to those terms so there is no way in hell he's let back in. Mas could possibly cover him, but it doesn't seem like she is associated with Central Command as well as Raviolic.

 

[Pbgustang]

When was and Where is 4 vacant seats mentioned?

It was from old afternote when thcmpny sc4nlati0n still around, era when the translation is so close to perfection. Afternote and lore was added in the last page of a chapter so we didnt missed them.

But yeah, about vacancy and numbers, it may or may not be holding true to future story since siu can change it however he wants if he has newer idea

Looking at the chapter... it feels like SIU hasn't settled on a look for mascheny. Sometimes he has more of a koon look, sometimes its more feminine and attractive... Or is that just me?

S2 chapter 0 is the best looking maschenny. An elegant yet domineering senior high ranking princess

Her face does look weird sometimes. But it was more consistent in the last arc of S2. Probably because of his health issues.

Now sometimes she looked like orochimaru. Really who the heck draw her. And whats consistent is her hair being ultra messy. Must be wild in bed last night to have such unkempt hair. I really want this message about maschenny got heard by siu

 

[O_n_Sly]

It was from old afternote when thcmpny sc4nlati0n still around, era when the translation is so close to perfection. Afternote and lore was added in the last page of a chapter so we didnt missed them.

But yeah, about vacancy and numbers, it may or may not be holding true to future story since siu can change it however he wants if he has newer idea


S2 chapter 0 is the best looking maschenny. An elegant yet domineering senior high ranking princess

Now sometimes she looked like orochimaru. Really who the heck draw her. And whats consistent is her hair being ultra messy. Must be wild in bed last night to have such unkempt hair. I really want this message about maschenny got heard by siu

I’m a fan of the post-crazy sex hair she has going!