Discussion Gowther

[Yoichi Hiruma]

What do you think?

Will Gowther betray his team and achieve his own goals or will he continue staying in the side of the Sins?

 

[Demonspeed]

What do you think?

Will Gowther betray his team and achieve his own goals or will he continue staying in the side of the Sins?

But what is his goal? Charming all women?

Meliodas told him to make his preparations before going to Camelot and he refused, I guess he is going to do something with Guila and come back to continue later. He might be heroic neutral or something, it looked like he would have obeyed if it was an order.

 

[Olho07]

It's just his nature combined with his power going berserk.
Once Merlin deals with him, he'll be ok. He cared for pelio during 10 years without doing nothing. Just when he started to use his powers again, he went to the rampage

And I really want the sins reuniting and fighting together once more. The seven battling like the Dawn Roar should be awesome.

 

[kkck]

I think this is simply temporal. Gowther's natural state should be without emotion as far as I can tell. What we are seeing is likely the result of his ability going berserk, unknowingly taking in the emotions of those around him, those emotions influencing, changing him and in turn using his ability to change those around him. The armor he originally wore probably had the function of keeping his ability and thus him in check.

 

[Nico Brown]

I always thought that Gowther may have been the one to have betrayed the Sins 10 years ago even though through his ability it showed Merlin. But I still think its possible plus maybe Merlin is covering up for him.

 

[HereNThere]

Gowther, in my opinion, is neither good or bad. His allegiance to King Bartra and the Sins happen to put him on the side of good, but he himself is fairly middling. He "naturally" favors the logical instead of the emotional, as we saw with his reaction to Hawk's apparent death.

From how I see it, his actions with Guila stem from nothing more than a want or, more specifically, "lust" to understand what love is, which is kinda sad. He can have Guila show him all of the love he wants, but in the end, he is forcing her and he himself most likely still won't understand in that manner.

 

[danzouismadara]

villain.

I knew this the moment he 1) didn't hesitate to kill dale. 2) Knew Merlin was the one who knocked out Melodias.

 

[Olho07]

villain.

I knew this the moment he 1) didn't hesitate to kill dale. 2) Knew Merlin was the one who knocked out Melodias.

What're you talking about? He hesitate to kill Dale. He said that he couldn't kill him because Dale didn't ask to be in that form. Who killed him was Meliodas.
I don't even know how Gowther can kill someone with his ability alone.
And he can read minds. Knowing about Merlin isn't a proof.

 

[HereNThere]

What're you talking about? He hesitate to kill Dale. He said that he couldn't kill him because Dale didn't ask to be in that form. Who killed him was Meliodas.
I don't even know how Gowther can kill someone with his ability alone.
And he can read minds. Knowing about Merlin isn't a proof.

I assume he is referring to when Gowther "decapitated" Dale's demonic head, which still isn't a good argument. Gowther went out of his way to preserve Dale and not harm him, going as far as to give him his own enchanted armor. Gowther "killed" him that first time to prevent Dawn Roar from interfering as he knew Dale was a Holy Knight. And when he finally did attack him, he put him in an illusion that allowed him to see his greatest desire. Gowther was rather merciful towards Dale. Nothing villainous there.

Yup, knowing about Merlin is far from proof seeing as how he had to read Mel's mind to discover that fact. Is he a creeper? Yes, but he's no villain. Ban's more of a "villain" than Gowther.

 

[kkck]

I think the current gowther should be treated as a drunkard. Gowther right now is not himself, he is under the influence of his own abilities. His armor was probably meant to prevent this sort of thing from happening to begin with. The issue here is that gowther did not look for an alternative to the armor from the start. He should have said something to meliodas. Or someone. But perhaps he was already down the way to going out of control when they first met him.

 

[Holt]

We found out gowther is a doll and he was created by a great magician and I think its possible that Merlin created gowther.

First, she certainly classifies as a great magician. The greatest one we know at the moment. We also know she created the Balor's eye which gowther also has.
The special armor gowther used in the past was given to him by Merlin and the other sins never knew what he looked like.
She also seems to have a sort of motherly concern and attitude towards gowther.

After she reverts gowther to his doll state, she hands him over to slader and says he will be dealt with later as though she is responsible for him. There's definitely a history and relationship there. Its difficult to imagine a scenario where one finds out gowther is a doll and I wonder how Merlin would have discovered that.

What do you guys think?

 

[Incognitop]

Re: Growther's Origin?

well if merlin created gowther wouldn't she be able to fully "absolute cancel" him?

a popular theory is that the person who created Gowther is Merlin's teacher or something along those lines. (Some people go so far as to suggest that he/she is the one that taught Merlin absolute cancel)

Nakaba might be setting up another "reality check" moment. Remember when King was introduced and he easily soloed Guila after the other 3 had problems? Then he easily beat Guila and Jericho at Byzel only to be owned by Helbram because there were underlying factors that we had not yet seen.

I can see something similar happening in this case. Merlin will be destroying someone in a fight with her magic, but then her spell will get "absolute cancelled" and then the whole anime stereotype will repeat with the "you have been using my magic improperly my foolish apprentice" thing.

Personally, I am hoping for this person to be an enemy, would be more interesting.

 

[HereNThere]

Re: Growther's Origin?

a popular theory is that the person who created Gowther is Merlin's teacher or something along those lines. (Some people go so far as to suggest that he/she is the one that taught Merlin absolute cancel)

This is pretty much what I think. I personally think Merlin's teacher might be her parent as well. So with that in mind, her and Gowther would be considered "siblings" of sort, which would explain there interactions. Merlin might have actually been around when he was created.

 

[Holt]

Re: Growther's Origin?

That does sound right. If she didn't create him, she either knows who did or was there when he was created.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an even greater magician out there (perhaps merlin's teacher) but it would be weird if there was someone else that could use absolute cancel, assuming its her own ability and not just a super high level magic spell.

 

[Demonspeed]

Re: Growther's Origin?

Gowther's creator could be a Demon, maybe he is one of the Commandments. Albion is one of their creations, Merlin's race is unknown and we know she was studying Demon magics.

 

[Holt]

Re: Growther's Origin?

She also reacted suspiciously when Mel told her the demons have been unsealed.
Still except Mel's teacher was a demon, I don't really see a connection like that. Even that would still be a bit off.
The demons have been sealed for 3,000 years and I doubt growther or Merlin are that old.

Most likely scenario in that case would be Merlin happened on some demon's lab at some time or something and activated growther. Perhaps the teachings and other things were written there and would explain how she knows some things about the demons.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Re: Growther's Origin?

I am really curious about Gowther's creator, he's prolly even more powerful than Merlin and given how muich she's powerful/knowledgeable, I expect my mind to be blown if he ever gets introduced lol. I'm a little disappointed that it wasn't Merlin who created Gowther(it's Gowther btw not Growther) and I'm seriously questioning her motives for agreeing to take care of him. In the vampire special Mel says that she likes to have rare things, she prolly sees Escanor and Gowther like that, so that adds to her being shady I guess.

 

[Holt]

Re: Growther's Origin?

Yeah I know its gowther. I forget sometimes . The creator could be a she though. Also, is it confirmed that merlin didn't create gowther? I mean its a bit unlikely but I don't recall if it has been stated.

 

[Hamy]

Re: Growther's Origin?

Yeah I know its gowther. I forget sometimes . The creator could be a she though. Also, is it confirmed that merlin didn't create gowther? I mean its a bit unlikely but I don't recall if it has been stated.

Chapter 114 since she isn't claiming ownership whatsoever, only that someone else of great caliber had crafted him.
http://manga.redhawkscans.com/reader/read/the_seven_deadly_sins/en/0/114/page/20

 

[Holt]

Re: Growther's Origin?

Ah yes. That sort of clears it and she also mentions that completely erasing it is difficult even for her absolute cancel. Guess that makes sense.